Talk: P/any PvE Motigon

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General build. Discuss. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:41, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Song of purification. -Auron 17:42, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

What does condition removal have to do with party healing? — Skakid 17:50, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

It's a better elite. For PvE. Which is what this build is made for. -Auron 17:51, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

What about places without many conditions? — Skakid 17:52, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Like where, Old Ascalon? The hardest areas in the game are either condi heavy or hex heavy. Nowhere else matters because you're just facing flashing blades am fah or some stupidity. -Auron 17:54, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

In that vein, hexbreaker aria as variant. And TNTF in main bar, IMO - even though it's one skill closer to the standard gon, it doesn't spend its elite charging SY. Different enough. -Auron 17:58, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Party Heals are used in PvE to combat degen conditions and hexes. Purification deals with the degen conditions in addition to deal with problem conditions while Restoration just tries to even out degen. Add Hexbreaker Aria as Auron has mentioned and you're all set. Racthoh 18:01, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Ever done that fire magic dungeon? Even with "SY!" it does a bit of party damage, especially with heroes. — Skakid 18:05, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Also, keep in mind that not everyone has a paragon. — Skakid 18:09, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

I'm guessing this is in response to the recent nerf to the other PvE SoR Paragon? 'Cause they're very similar. Also, "TNtF!" for players. --

Guild of Deals 20:11, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Ye, it's in. And yes to other part too. — Rapta

(talk|contribs) 20:48, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Flashing Blades Am Fah still wipe out my entire party sometimes ;( Besides I am sick of these SoR builds. Just merge them all into one build and just have a long variants section.

Huynh Sanity 03:57, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

This is the only one. — Rapta

(talk|contribs) 16:23, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

There use to be a whole bunch in the trial section and such.

Huynh Sanity 00:25, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Trial is pretty irrelevant. — Rapta

(talk|contribs) 00:39, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Bar for players:

The build is energy consuming with TNtF and you'll want more than GftE for e-management. Energizing Chorus is a net gain of 20 energy if used right (cast Energizing Chorus and activate TNtF while casting a chant, that way both skills cost 7 less energy). (R3d3 10:38, 14 April 2008 (EDT))

Removing vote b/c of variants

Is completely illogical. It's not good without SY! and TNtF! and with them it's a less effective dupe of the builds we have now. Just my thoughts--Goldenstar 21:01, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

It's logical, because you can't run that on a hero. — Rapta

(talk|contribs) 16:23, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

The nerfs that have been implemented since this builds creation have rendered it far far less effective, I would personally go so far as to say that this build is all but utterly useless now, however others may feel differently, in no event however can i imagine anyone calling it Great......

Well, the nerfs are only temporary, but for until May 1st, don't use this on your heroes. =P -Mike 07:13, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Drop Anthem of Flame

Do not need it as SoR and Ballad can keep up your AR without issues. I would suggest another attack skill in its place. (Mr Pink57 16:23, 31 March 2008 (EDT))

42 damage per physical on a 10 second recharge for +1 energy. If this paragon is the only physical in the group then yes I would consider dropping Anthem of Flame. Racthoh 16:47, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

For Great Justice!

Why is that in the variants? One adrenaline skill that has a 4 second recharge. Racthoh 16:51, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

It's for other variants. — Rapta

(talk|contribs) 16:53, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

Game Update - Thursday, April 17, 2008

Song of Restoration: increased recharge to 30 seconds.
Ballad of Restoration: increased recharge to 30 seconds.

That hurts. Is this even worth playing anymore? -Mike 20:19, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Elite got nerfed, and another main skill got nerfed. I'm gonna have to go with no. Now if only I knew how to do that "Archiving should be discussed because of yadda yadda" box thing. Wow, I'm good at describing things! Gogey 20:25, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Added it. Discuss. Gogey 20:32, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

dude the updates only last until may 1st ... just leave it alone Drahgal Meir 00:07, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Well, we won't archive it unless the updates are final, I just hope they don't ruin supportive Paragons for everything but PvE. -Mike 07:13, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

They aren't. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Developer_Updates/20080417 - PANIC!

sexiness! 07:15, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

I thought they were testing the updates and were only going to revert some of them, not all of them. >.> -Mike 07:19, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Why use this? Necro heroes are better and if you're Paragon yourself go Imba. IMO the nerf doesn't really hurt this, in the way that it wasn't the best build to use anyway. ɟoʇuɐʌ ʎʞɔıɹ 12:21, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Well, it was good for heroes, but I usually take 2 SF eles and an MM, instead. -Mike 17:01, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

If you look at the time I posted, the whole "its temporary" report by the admins wasn't posted yet Drahgal. Gogey 18:10, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Finale of Restoration

i find your lack of it disturbing.--IkimonoGaston was a Paragon... 17:57, 16 November 2008 (EST)

It's too chunky. The current bar is fine. --

Guild of Deals 17:58, 16 November 2008 (EST)

It's actually pretty great, especially on Heroes, but I wouldn't use it unless you had other Shout/Chant spammers in the team. ــмıкεнaшк 18:17, 16 November 2008 (EST)

Well, if I don't have chant spammers I would go with aegis LoD/divine healing/heaven's delight for party wide healing/support, tbh.152.226.7.213 22:03, 16 November 2008 (EST)

You could also use "Watch Yourself!" "Go For The Eyes!" and "The Power is Yours!" to give your team/key members more constant healing than 1 106 heal party every 20 seconds. This is fine as is, but if you wanted more healing (and less of a party wide single step red-bar) and this was your only motivation guy, then more constant healing would probably be a better choice. Something that Anthem of Flame + Weariness + GFTE + Random short recharge shout/chant will do nicely.--70.121.145.76 23:44, 16 November 2008 (EST)

I should be happy that I am using an elite that gives 1 energy over 3 seconds to my entire party. It certainly makes a whole lot of difference, and I find that PvE/PvP is made 99999999999999999999999999999999REDENGINEGOREDENGINEGOREDENGINEGORED times easier with the existence of such an elite skill. Obvious sarcasm is obvious.152.226.7.213 01:22, 17 November 2008 (EST)