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:First, learn to play PvE. Survivibility is a joke and is completely unnecessary. Second, you don't even need to get to moebius for this to be effective. Since the buff to dagger attacks, you dont even need moebius anymore for a powerful chain. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]] [[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 03:21, December 28, 2009 (UTC) |
:First, learn to play PvE. Survivibility is a joke and is completely unnecessary. Second, you don't even need to get to moebius for this to be effective. Since the buff to dagger attacks, you dont even need moebius anymore for a powerful chain. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]] [[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 03:21, December 28, 2009 (UTC) |
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:You're probably just doing something wrong. The DPS, if one thing, is amazing. Survivability is fine as long as you don't rush in before the rest of your team (been there, done that.. Frost Gate HM <3) --'''<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;">[[User:Chaos|<font color="deeppink">-Chaos-]] ([[User_talk:Chaos|moo]]) </font></span>'''-- 10:32, December 28, 2009 (UTC) |
:You're probably just doing something wrong. The DPS, if one thing, is amazing. Survivability is fine as long as you don't rush in before the rest of your team (been there, done that.. Frost Gate HM <3) --'''<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;">[[User:Chaos|<font color="deeppink">-Chaos-]] ([[User_talk:Chaos|moo]]) </font></span>'''-- 10:32, December 28, 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | :Just take p"I Am Unstoppable!" or something. - [[User:Athrun Feya|<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Athrun</font>]][[User talk:Athrun Feya|<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Feya</font>]] - 21:49, December 29, 2009 (UTC) |
Revision as of 21:49, 29 December 2009
big pet domages. + ℓγssάή [rage] 14:03, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
- WTB lead attack Chi Shan 14:05, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
- Shit. Can't read, sorry, will replace Golden Fang Strike with something else. + ℓγssάή [rage] 14:07, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
- Black Spider Strike is the best set up fodder for both Scavenger Strike and Death Blossom that I could find :\ Any more suggestions? + ℓγssάή [rage] 14:14, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
- Shit. Can't read, sorry, will replace Golden Fang Strike with something else. + ℓγssάή [rage] 14:07, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
Get rid of mel's assault and bring bms and fox fangs--Relyk 20:08, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
Wow, I never realised that MS recharges pet attacks too.. that's probably some impressive AoE. Spamspamspam HareeMuh 20:35, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
- I never knew that either. Thought they would fall into a different category (silly anet etc)--72.189.82.222 21:10, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
- Pet Attacks are of the skill categories "Pet skills" and "Attack skills". MS recharges "Attack-skills", thus it recharges Pet Attacks. Nothing silly in that. ---Chaos- 21:18, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for brushing it up for me ;) this seems like it's done as far as modifying the skill bar goes, so should it be moved into testing? + ℓγssάή [rage] 21:40, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
- Pet Attacks are of the skill categories "Pet skills" and "Attack skills". MS recharges "Attack-skills", thus it recharges Pet Attacks. Nothing silly in that. ---Chaos- 21:18, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
Pet attacks every 2 seconds, MS/DB with no IAS takes slightly longer than that to complete a cycle. If you even add 25% IAS, the speed is high enough that the pet can make Mel's Assault happen every hit if you mash the keyboard fast enough. I haven't actually tested or anything, but math says you need IAS. --Shazzydiddles 22:12, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
- But math also says this does a shitton of AoE damage. + ℓγssάή [rage] 22:14, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
OEN MOAR
vote pl0x. + ℓγssάή [rage] 20:42, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
- ...votevotevote! + ℓγssάή [rage] 22:26, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
- your welcome--Gl0ry Check out my Dumb PvE Ideas! 22:32, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
- <3 + ℓγssάή [rage] 22:37, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
- your welcome--Gl0ry Check out my Dumb PvE Ideas! 22:32, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
Jagged Strike
So, I really don't understand why you would ever use jagged strike in a build with MS/DB especially in PvE. -- Drah 01:03, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
- Jagged-->Fox gets you to MS/DB faster. Without a maintainable IAS, golden fox-->wild is actually kinda slow. Life Guardian 01:09, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
A/R Variant
R/A is better because of Expertise and doesn't relies on an enchantment but I think the A/R version should not be forgotten so imma just gonna leave this here.
Much luff, Rada Arashi 20:01, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
Survivability, or total lack thereof?
Ok, am I the only person here noticing the TOTAL absence of self defence on the ranger's part? - This might be "good" in normal mode but it fails most horribly in hard mode or end-game NF/Factions/EotN
With 75 physical armour (90 if running beastmaster's insig), no block, no self heals or damage reduction you're completely reliant (and a major drain on) the prots and heals from the rest of the party; now in some circumstances that can be justified (ie. certain ele or assasin builds that deal enough DPS for an entire party, yes I'm looking at you Kavek...), but really, the DPS on this build, even factoring in AoE just isn't that good.
Which brings me onto another issue (Even in HM) in a well structured h/h team individual targets die before you can activate moebius strike more than once - if at all; killing the entire point of the elite and defeatting the underlying concept of spamming melandru's in addition to blossom for a slight AoE damage boost (And I stress slight, 16 damage in "nearby" range every 2-5 seconds isn't exactly a splinter barrage or QQ spike)
Pets create a crowded skill bar so you need to either sacrifice at least one thing and if you plan to fight in melee beyond shing jea island that one thing can't be defence. I'd like to be more constructive, but I've tried many many times over the years to formulate a survivable melee/pet build besides thumper (which provides psuedo defence through knockdowns) and they all suffer the same flaw; there's no room on the bar for defence.
- The Ashwalker --94.76.168.211 03:05, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
- First, learn to play PvE. Survivibility is a joke and is completely unnecessary. Second, you don't even need to get to moebius for this to be effective. Since the buff to dagger attacks, you dont even need moebius anymore for a powerful chain. Life Guardian 03:21, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
- You're probably just doing something wrong. The DPS, if one thing, is amazing. Survivability is fine as long as you don't rush in before the rest of your team (been there, done that.. Frost Gate HM <3) ---Chaos- (moo) -- 10:32, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
- Just take p"I Am Unstoppable!" or something. - AthrunFeya - 21:49, December 29, 2009 (UTC)