Talk: Rt/any Spirit Spammer

Any/Rt

Could run this, right? I have a caster professions in mind, ergo 4 pips/30ene.

About

I've been using this build for quite a while, and I doubt I'm the only one using this already. But I felt like sharing this with everyone. So, here it is. It is basically a spirit spam with allegiance skill attached to it to put it simply. On the math/damage side. It is (25+18)/2(pain) + (22+18)/1.75(blood) + (20+18)/2(vamp) + (17*2+18)*36/48/2(anguish) ~= 84.5 Damage/second(armor ignoring). On the healing side... too lazy to calc. :P Have a nice day. -- Grumpy (Talk | Contrib) 20:55, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

Boon of Creation = Not Needed. With offering of spirit, your energy management should be fine, escecially since you can increase channeling and make offering of spirit more effective with lower spawning power. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 16:14, 23 August 2007 (CEST)

I've simply made it possible to change with other spirits which have (much) higher energy costs to adept to the situation and still have none~minimal energy problems while casting painful bond as much as possible at the same time. Right now, yes, it does almost too well in the energy department. Painful bond really is however a huge energy spell to repeat every ~13 seconds. -- Grumpy (Talk | Contrib) 20:04, 23 August 2007 (CEST)

you definitely do not need boon. My preference would probably be to fit either anguish or SoM --Thc 00:20, 24 August 2007 (CEST)

im changing it to my way: this build has a lot of potential. --Thc 21:31, 24 August 2007 (CEST)

notes on energy usage: Anguish: -25E/48 sec = -1.56 pips Painful bond: -15E/13 sec = -3.46 pips draw spirits: -5E/10 sec = -1.5 pips pain/blood song/vampirism: negligable (more or less)

offering of spirit: +11E/15 sec = +2.2 pips Natural regen: +4 pips

Total: -0.32 pips

So you can see, you don't even really need boon of creation. In fact, you probably don't even really need OoS

Boon is not only for energy but for health as well don't just rub that part out. Without boon, pain, vamp and bloodsong are no longer negligible. They will die before their full duration. There is a part where anguish really fails to co-op with the rest of the build. it only lasts 39seconds. So, from battle to battle, there is no moving around (as it is gone) of the spirits and fails to deliver the punch at the very beginning which also provides chance of being interrupted. Additionally, unlike other spirits, you cannot use them as saftey barriers anymore since you cannot risk it of dying. It throws off the usage by quite a lot. Anguish with ritual lord really is probably the strongest attack spirit, BUT without it, it provides down time. so even with painful bond, it delivers only (17*2*+18)39/48/2 = 21.1damage per sec vs say pain which does (25+18)/2=21.5. It's not such a great big addition damage wise vs any other spirits in reality. There is no point of using anguish over any other and it probably is wiser to put the extra spirit with something other than just damage as well such as interrupts or enchant strips, etc. Second, i've already mentioned that it was designed to have extra boost in the energy for the ability to carry more expensive spirits or spells (don't forget the optional slot). So without boon, according to the energy calc above, it cannot deliver. The two pvxcodes are for the template codes, so you do need both of them as they are often done in other builds as well. Lastly, melee is spelt with one e (later edit, lol spelt it wrong again, and yes i did spell it wrong at the beginning, but correction = wrong, correction to correction = also wrong. melee = correct). -- Grumpy (Talk | Contrib) 20:08, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

None the less, i will yield to the idea of no boon and +anguish since now it's two ppl didn't like extra energy idea too much. Extra damage doesn't hurt anyways. lol Did a little reorganizing and added 2nd template code again. Also edited top calculation of damage. -- Grumpy (Talk | Contrib) 20:55, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

lol i'm making too many edits in a row... kinda like double posting in forums i guess... If anyone is wondering what in the world i'm talking about about template codes when they look exactly the same... They actually do have different template codes in reality as the have different skill numbers. But I'm guessing that pvxbig codes rn't updated enough to accomodate for it. Both of those template codes will appear as invalid template codes in GW right now. So to speak, it's for the prep of future. lol -- Grumpy (Talk | Contrib) 21:06, 25 August 2007 (CEST)

3 comments: (1) wonderful build, if already known, (2) a variant would be to use wanderlust + earthbind combo, and (3) a variant would be to run this as a ranger primary, using expertise to reduce spirit costs, and giving you a more dynamic playstyle. 66.131.21.189 18:02, 26 September 2007 (CEST)

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Expertise only works for Ranger skills. That's what the attribute description states anyway. Unless you're thinking of running Ranger spirits of course. --AMFan

Notes/See Also

Painful Echo is a dead edit link.

I love the damage with this build, and it works wonderfully with Minion Master. If you're willing to risk spirit HP, you can max Channeling and Communing and drop Spawning to 3 and, if you maintain distance, safely do a few extra points of damage (as expected, though, melee attacking backline with destroy the spirits rather easily).Thorton2006 20:39, 17 November 2007 (CET)

Template codes

The template codes provided, both Luxon and Kurzick, do not appear to be valid codes

This is a bug with pvx template thing... The plus (+) symbol isn't saved and you get a space when you try to save it. You'll have to copy/paste the code unfortunately. -- Grumpy (T|C) 17:34, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Anguished Was Lingwah

What about this pot vs actual pain? Provides a stronger pain and can be dropped after spirits are put down. Maybe add to variants? (Mr Pink57)

AWL is 3x more costly than actual pain. The summon spirits removes the need to do the drop-summon action. They also do same damage. -- Grumpy (T|C) 17:34, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

The elite

How about swapping the elite for energetic was lee sa?

EWLS is a really really small energy boost with a down side. It removes the weapons' boost of your energy capacity. On top of that, you need to spend 10 energy to get it. It puts you in a pretty crappy position after you cast it. To make matters worse, EWLS only lasts a short period of time. At 9 spawning power, it's about 0.3 energy per sec on average. OoS on the other hand averages 0.72 energy per sec with 13 channeling this build offers.. It's simply just so much more. -- Grumpy (T|C) 17:34, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Ranger

I'm surprised to see that build, because it's the same one I use on my Ranger whenever I need to defend an area (e.g. GOLEM). The expertise means that you can spam those spirits plus one more spirit whenever they die. Alaris 16:05, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Most of the energy is spent by casting painful bond hex, not the summon itself. But I admit running spirit with expertise sounds intriguing. -- Grumpy (T|C) 19:39, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Union?

I seriously think that Union would be a good choice for the optional slot. Firstly this spirit is very handy. It takes pressure off the whole party for a while. Secondly it lasts around 50 seconds so it can be raised outside battle and summoned in the battle without it dying before it arrives (:P). Thirdly it has a pretty fair casting cost (15 energy). It's only weakness is it dies fairly quickly due to rapid loss of health- however Summon Spirits's fairly decent healing will keep it on the battlefield longer and therefore prolong the protection of your party while your offensive spirits do the wrecking. Any thoughts?--81.151.112.71 16:14, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Ghostly Might

With the update of the signet it would make this sooo much better but im wondering on how the energy will be without Offering =\ and if it is to tight would we be able to substitute it for a lesser energy managment skill?Fire and deaths 17:44, 12 December 2008 (EST)

The best option would be to chuck in Boon of Creation under optional and hope for the best. Or a secondary profession with an energy management skill could be added. Agreed though, with SoGM, this build would rock even more.--Grandmaster Chen 18:55, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Spirit Siphon - this is another option.--Grandmaster Chen 19:14, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Well Spirit Siphon would only give u like what..2-4 energy? even spamming that every 3 secs might not be to good.Boon of creation seems like the best option or mabye go /Me for Power Drain.Fire and deaths 19:56, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Power drain is good, but it would mean having to spend points on Inspiration magic therefore weakening your other attributes somewhat.--Grandmaster Chen 08:08, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Essence Strike, at higher levels of channeling, can provide energy management close to OoS if you choose to use Ghostly Might over it.

Nah, 8 seconds rechrage and only 3 points of magic isn't too good. I think BoC is the best option so far.--Grandmaster Chen 08:36, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Aha, how about Weapon of Renewal?--Grandmaster Chen 08:55, 14 December 2008 (EST)

A grand total of 1 energy gain! WOW-- Liger414 talk 08:56, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Alright, alright, stay calm! BoC it is then. Spirit Siphon would raise you 12 energy in 12 seconds also which IMO is pretty good. With a +2, -35 Channeling rune added it would raise you 16 energy in 12 seconds which beats OoS somewhat (although it's less renewable and more awkward to cast than OoS).--Grandmaster Chen 09:04, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Anguish, Vampirism, Bloodsong, Pain, Shadowsong, Fury... + Painful Bond & SoGM... + hero buffs = sustainable frag-fest.

(1) Olias JB-Minion Bomber Hero, (2) Livia BiP-Restorer Hero, (3) Razah WoQ-Channeler Hero.

Averaging 90-220 damage per second, for an average of 600-1,200 damage per 5 second increments.

Deal (average) 32,000 damage over 180 seconds, for an average of 175 dps over course of 1 hour of testing.

Death accuring after 3 seconds for Master of Damage (let alone HM-bosses) -- PRICELESS ^_^

There are some things Rits can't buy or do... for everything else... there is Signet of Ghostly Might!

--Falconeye 07:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Ponder my über PvE logic

So I is castin mah spirits, and I'm like "Lawl silly pve nubcakez I is pwnzoring u's". So now I wantz to move mah spirits and pwnzor another nubcake pve mob. I cast Summon Spirits, and then a icky pve monster uses his hurtful AoEs on the huge stack of spirits! ONOES. Life 05:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Bump. Life 04:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Bump. Life 17:55, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

they die and you recast them. but i just got trolled so who cares.24.46.41.245 19:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Or you be smart and only use Summon Spirits to move spirits out of whatever AoE damage is occuring. Durp! 00:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Or be even smarter, aggro the mob, moe back and let your frontline take em, then hit Summon??? That's what I do... :)Anwyn 09:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

OR be smart and use MM-hero + Summons to provide spirits the freedom to slaughter ^_^

Unless you haven't invested in Spawning power, your spirits can ussually survive the full duration of most AoE spells. This build is extremely powerful!--81.156.111.146 18:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Video link

I made a short video of myself using this build on a couple of NPC's just incase anyone wanted to see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mih1q2ISpcg&feature=channel_page 86.156.241.53 22:11, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

i'm pretty sure a hamster could run this build properly. it is overly basic.--IkimonoNeeds more "good" Paragon 23:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

June Update

If the rumored Rit skill buff is true, this build could become meta for Ritualists Mazza558 20:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

They won;t be buffed to that extent, and offensive spirits are still pretty bad. Life 20:28, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

SIGNET OF GHOSTLY MIGHT. it says you're wrong, Life. it also says you should take painful bond for pew pew. /wave ··· Danny Does Drugs 21:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

If you bring SoGM,, that means you cant bring AP, which means your spirits are only useful every other fight. Life 22:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Basically, you're your own walking 8-man team! ··· Danny Does Drugs 15:43, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

If you bring SoGM you can just grab spirit Siphon for good energy managment, and if you have the brains to use summon spirits, AP's recharge isn't necessary since your spirits won't be dying 24/7.--81.151.115.162 18:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow massive rit buff. Takes only 3/4 of a sec now to summon a spirit! This build is better than ever now! Also spirit siphon is awesome energy management now.--81.151.115.162 21:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Hum, why isn't this build great anymore? If it was great before the update, it should be ultra great now, shouldn't it? Dionyssios 11:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, wtf happened? Saul Lachance 16:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree completely with the two comments above. This build should be better than 4.75 with the recent buff. I tried it the other day and it was devastating, fared a lot better in PvE than my R/Rt barrager does. Vote 5 stars!--86.146.2.51 16:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Frosty's rateing tanked it, we need one more 5-5 for great. which is sad, because it got buffed and dropped in rating. Roland Cyerni 17:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I've been using the build before the buff and I though it was good then. Now it is just godly. 5-5 for definite.--Grandmaster Chen 17:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The Signet of Spirits / Boon of Creation synergy!

With : Boon of Creation / Disenchantment / Signet of Spirits / Painful Bond /Shadowsong / Pain (or any low energy spirit) / Bloodsong (AkA "The Survivor") / Summon Spirits

There you go : Awesome energy management, very good damage dealing, great number of spirits makes for good spirit walls, great recast (Ss and Dis last 30 seconds, reload 30 seconds means you have them almost infinite too) That build has all it needs. I know Anger Suffering and Hate do not attack the same target simultaneously, but since Disenchantment and ShadowSong switch targets that makes for great AoE damage + good spikes on first attacks (5 spirits attacks at once).

Big up for Boon because it allows great cast under fire, since the life income of a full spawn is just great (over 200 HP) and the energy management is just perfect.

We just did ToPK and that build was a rock it saved us manytimes because of the self heal and blinding and the enchant removal. Boon of creation being often removed during its cooldown , i spent some fights without its support, and the fact that you get 5 spirits for 10 energy in 3 seconds (max) was a real kick! That means the build works under any condition and that is just great.

Give it a try and OoS will seem weak, SoGM i dont know...but what a SoGM build might bring in term of damage dealing should be negligible when facing the lack of Energy management and Self heal.

For those who flame BOON : the prefight cast leaves you with your WHOLE energy bar...making it very easy to maintain even the 15 cost of both ShSg and Dis , even when boon gets removed.

I actually agree with this, I too think the following should be mainbarred (change attributes to whatever is deemed fit). Three extra spirits equal more dmage output AND energy and I have never found energy management to be an issue simply by weapon switching in the very rare cases I actually need it.

<pvxbig> [build prof=Rt/? com=11+1 cha=11+1+1 spa=8+1][Painful Bond][Signet of Spirits][Pain][Vampirism][Bloodsong][Anguish][Summon Spirits (Kurzick)][Boon of Creation][/build] </pvxbig>

Selket Shadowdancer 14:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... I prefer spirit siphon to boon, but I guess it's a matter of opinion. As for mainbarring, I would disagree. Although I do agree that this is generally the best bar (Spirit Siphon/boon and SoS in optional slots), I think it's better to leave the slots open so that there is more choice for people depending on preference and situational reasons (for example in some situations you may want Wanderlust as your elite for the knock-down, perhaps against bosses).--Grandmaster Chen 14:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

As of now, that build is powerful yes, but it is not useful. In my opinion in order to render this build really good, two of the spirits should be swapped for Disenchantement and Shadowsong. Those deal about 2/3rd dmg of the "normal" spirits (pain) but the added blindness and enchantement removal proves useful. Moreover, those 2 spirits swith "intelligently" between targets to maximize the spreading of their effect, and that synergizes well with both Painful Bond (AoE Hex) and Signet of Spirits, because Anger, Hate and Suffering have much trouble focusing the same target so they tend to aim at different targets in the mob. Of course it means that the damage, a tad lower (negligible) is more widespread, so you need a real damage dealer to finnish off your targets, however, it wears down a mob with tremendous efficiency because then it acts as an AoE ele without the downside of skill recharge (spirits are up 24/24) AND it goes a long way toward suppressing physicals and enchanters. Please comment.

Actually I'm going to go with Chen on the energy skill. Spirit Siphon is best as you can't have it removed. I still vote SoS mainbar, it's about the spirit tanking more than anything else. Having 7 spirits, alongside a minion bomber, bodyblock an entire mob is incredibly OP. Selket Shadowdancer 20:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow...

Although I've never tried it, I can imagine 6 of these guys (+2 monks) being devastating. With SoS that's 42 spirits active all delivering crushing damage. Plus painful bond can be spread easier.--Grandmaster Chen 12:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

There can only be one of each spirit up at a time within a certain range (which is almost as large as Radar-range). Six of these guys equals seven spirits on the map, and that's with SoS on the bar.

You could probably manage something if you used two Ritualists with different spirits between them (one with SoS and one with Wanderlust, perhaps), but that's about the extent of the offensive choices... -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 23:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Vaettir Farm

Did you know you can solo kill all the 60 Vaettirs inside Jaga Morain, im sorry if this was already tested out but its pretty good--``Ritualist``01 18:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

You can also Solo anything in UW in HM or NM. Drop a skill for basic hex removal and maybe a self heal and armor of unfeeling. Takes a long time obviously, but entirely doable.12.6.238.154 07:53, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

STOP USING THIS BUILD IN TEAMS!!

Freaking noob rits... learn to synergize with a team, not create problems! Either pick full channeling or full communing, NOT BOTH! When you run this build, you are saying "Hey, the rest of you rits can go find another team, because I am hogging all the spirits!" Try this build... it is WAY MORE EFFECTIVE and it lets someone else take up the slack and actually run a communing build. <pvxbig> [build prof=Rt/? name="Ritualist Channelling" com=6 cha=12 spa=11][Summon Spirits (Luxon)][Painful Bond][Spirit Siphon][Vampirism][Bloodsong][Signet of Spirits][Armor of Unfeeling][Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support][/build] </pvxbig> Cast spirits, summon to desired location (they are tanks.. USE THEM AS TANKS! Close to action is preferred!!) Cast Ebon Assassin to occupy them, cast Painful Bond on the middle guy, back up behind spirits... watch yellow numbers go across screen. It's easy and does way more damage. If you get low on energy, Siphon it. Armor of Unfeeling for Hard Mode.

GREAT! Now another rit can actually join you without you being a retard! They can run something like this: <pvxbig> [build prof=Rt/P com=12 cha=11 spa=2 comma=6][Summon Spirits (Luxon)][Anthem of Disruption][Spirit Siphon][Pain][Anguish][Shadowsong][Signet of Ghostly Might][Death Pact Signet][/build] </pvxbig> Yay! You are now part of the solution and not part of the problem!

So funny. - AthrunFeya 23:27, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Lol. I mean, maybe I've missed something major here, but surely the whole point of this build is that it's a single character build? You don't need to find another Rit to help you. Also, you don't need to share your loot with another Rit. Is your objection really that the build works too efficiently and so people should split it between two people so that other Rits don't feel left out? Because you're "hogging all the spirits"? Lol.

P.S. EwLS is pretty rubbish tbh, it gains you 6.67 energy every 20 seconds (like, one pip - less than if you count the casting time) and takes two seconds to cast. And that's only 'cos you've specced it so high. Also you might want runes. 188.74.101.228 23:33, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Well said guy above me. If you want to spam spirits with another rit run the Build:Team - Dual Spirit Spam build, not some lame builds that use Dissonance, Ewls and spirit "tanks".--86.143.109.7 00:31, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Yes the WHOLE POINT is a single char build: IE- SOLO! People are using this in GROUPS because they don't know any better. You tell them "Go channeling and I will go communing." and their brain short circuits. And that first build is way more effective than the main build, especially in hard mode. Fixed 2nd build for the whiners :)

Build on the page had much better dps. Spirits should only be used as tanks in an emergency; MMs are the real tanks- spirits should be used mainly for damage and NOT tanking. Armor of unfeeling is rendered pointless by summon spirits and evas is inferior to an Anguish spirit with painful bond synergy. This build is fine in groups. Most groups don't have more than one rit. If there's only 1 rit in the build run this. If there are multiple rits (lets say three), one could run this, one could run healer and one could run MM. Hybrid channeling/communing spirit spammers are surprisingly better than a specialised communing or specialised channeling spirit spammer.--86.144.225.219 20:15, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Ran the build on main page to test it: Mobs in HM just rolled over them like they weren't there, team died. Ran my top build right behind it: Mobs in HM died quickly, spirits shielded rest of team from dying, and I didn't have to recast spirits. You forget that spirits are almost always attacked first, they are very effective at body-blocking, and armor of unfeeling keeps them there for a LONG time. If you are taking just DPS into account, you are either not playing in Hard Mode, or you are missing how overpowered rits really are.

This build isnt about letting your spirits "tank", its about mitigating damage like a mm does. When ur party isnt being overwhelmed by enemies, you can deliver massive damage with this build and the spirits serve as an excellent distraction when you ARE being overwhelmed. I pretty much soloed the endboss in frostmaw burrow's on hardmode and that wasnt even my solo version of this build.

U need to spam moar summon spirits.--86.146.2.23 00:19, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

AoU is decent, but Spirits will still get destroyed quickly on the frontline in HM. So even if you do take AoU you still shouldn't use your spirits as walls. Also switch out EVAS for pain or anguish. BTW AoU is still included in the variants so it's not like it has been completely excluded from this build.--Grandmaster Chen 11:15, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Who plays in teams anymore? Mason717 05:58, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

To the first guy in this heading, i'm going to put this in the simplest terms possible... you... are... a... dumbass. Why would you want to take up two people in the party to do what one person can easily do? By having one person run this extremely effective build in the party, instead of two people running weaker versions, you free up another slot for another damage dealer, healer, supporter, tank, whatever. Good job trying to flame everyone who disagreed with you though! Oh, and the all caps header was a nice touch as well Kurotou Shadestryke 05:01, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Summon Spirits

After a good amount of hours playing this build and a bit of testing on Isle of the Nameless, I can confirm that Summon Spirits does not cause all of the spirits to have the same target. The spirit AI is kind of erratic; they seem to prefer targets with lower health, but more often than not it is random. On the other hand, if your party isn't in combat and you wand/hex a mob, your spirits will focus fire on it (obvious to anyone who has spent a fair amount of time with this build), and then go on randomly firing after the first guy is killed. Summon Spirits doesn't seem to help with that.--99.230.145.201 22:24, December 14, 2009 (UTC)