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Any comments and changes would be appreciated (and yes i forgot to log in...) [[User:Smurf Minions|Smurf Minions]] 12:50, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
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[[Build talk:Team - Discordway/Archive 1]]
   
:Shouldn't it be "Weakener" and not "Weaker"? [[User Talk:Infidel|<font color="black">̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡<u>͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡</u></font>]][[User:Infidel|<font color="darkgreen"><u>I͡n͡f͡i͡d͡e͡l</u></font>]][[User Talk:Infidel|<font color="black"><u>̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|</u>̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı__̡͌l̡*</font>]] 00:36, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
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== "Self-Sustaining?" ==
   
Now that Discord has a one second activation time i think you should switch Mind Bender it out for a better PvE skill. if shadow of fear 2 sec activation seems like a problem switch it for something like the already mentioned suffering or Pbond. [[User:Watch me work it|Watch me work it]] 04:31, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
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Are the three necro heroes here able to keep up a continual onslaught of damage by themselves? Will they be able to fuel Discord just with Enfeebling Blood, Shadow of Fear, the Jagged minions and such? The reason I'm asking is because I'm having fun abusing ritual spirits, and don't really have room/have no desire to switch out skills for Assassin's Promise, "Finish Him!," etc. I'm pretty sure that Sabway will be good with this build, because it's good with almost everything, but I just wonder if this will be more efficient. Thanks. Mithr4ndir 05:18, 1 July 2009
:Discord used to have 2 seconds activation. It was buffed. - {{User:Misery/sig2 subst}} 04:46, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
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:Sabway means you can go afk in the middle of the fight. Discord overall is probably more effective, but requires you to actually do something. You don't need those specific skills, but they do help. Having AP+YMlaD! means you can always fuel discord by yourself. [[User:Life Guardian|<b><small><font color="black">Life]]</font></small></b>[[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 05:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:: i know, thats why i typed 'now that'. [[User:Watch me work it|Watch me work it]] 05:01, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
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::If you have a condition and a hex and can be bothered to spam ctrl+space, then Discordway is the most efficient build out there. If you don't want to have to do anything besides c-space, then take Sabway or Spiritway. '''···'''[[User_talk:Daññy|&nbsp;]][[File:Danny-sig.png]] 15:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Why would you want to stop using it because it was buffed? Do you mean switch out Necrosis? Discord still has a 2 second recharge, so does necrosis. This way you can spam spam spam more. Necrosis only does slightly less damage, even with aftercast I think you'd win. - {{User:Misery/sig2 subst}} 06:36, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
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:::and then do much alt-tabbing. &mdash; [[User:Mafaraxas|μαφλεσ]] 15:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::: i meant switch out Mind Bender, sorry typed it wrong ;), Mind Bender is still useful but so are lots of other PvE only skills.[[User:Watch me work it|Watch me work it]] 12:43, 30 May 2008 (EDT)
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::::I've used discord as a spirit spammer, with the only thing I supplied being painful bond for the hex. It worked well. [[User:PVX-Lordz|PVX-Lordz]] 20:37, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
   
*Weapon of Warding>Resilient with all that condition removal
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== Minions ==
*Mend Body and Soul>Vengeful Weapon
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I'm having difficulty understanding why there is a triple minion setup. Other than minions supply energy and healing (from Dwaynas) what's the main purpose of running 2x Shambling Horrors and 1x Bone minions? [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 07:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
*The minion bomber should be necro primary to have a hope of maintaining energy.
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:Giant walls probably. [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 08:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
*Infuse Condition isn't useful there because it doesn't have any form of draw and isn't meant to be tanking.
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::Running 3 MMs is actually incredibly stupid. Fighting over corpses ftw. [[User:Life Guardian|<b><small><font color="black">Life]]</font></small></b>[[Image:WikiLOD7.gif]] 08:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
[[User:Klumpeet|<font color="#000">'''&not; Klump'''</font>]][[User_talk:Klumpeet|<span style="font-size: 11px; color:#006500">'''eet'''</span>]] 07:36<small>{GMT}</small>31-05-<font face="Times">MMVIII</font>
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:::Yeah I didn't get the minions on three bars concept either. I find its ok running on the MM and Curses Necs myself (I generally run dual Bone Minions and get about 18 minions going in corpse heavy areas), but not the main healer who should be healing not creating minions outside of spiking. I suggest taking the minions off the Restoration, and making the minion slot on the Curses optional dependant on the area you're in. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 08:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
: I also think a normal necro MM is better, i use that myself but haven't tried the rit one so not commenting about it. Resilient weapon is great for its armor, since you will have almost only low armor partymembers, and Mend Body and Soul>Vengeful Weapon really depends on the situation. Btw, signet of lost souls overkill imo since you already have SR and a minion bomber. [[User:Watch me work it|Watch me work it]] 04:29, 31 May 2008 (EDT)
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::::Running shambling horror x3 is not terrible. Fighting over corpses? Yeah right, get real. There are a million corpses and shambling has a recharge of 25. Also, shambling alone != MM. You would need to at least add in bone minions, fiends, or horrors to call it a MM (something with low recharge). I personally run 2 MMs at 16 death, because I can, but this works too because shamblings are the sturdiest minions available. -THC
::I don't really have a problem with having a N/Rt Bomber, although I would take out Discord for Jagged Bones, Infuse Condition for Animate Shambling Horror and possibly find room for Spirit's Gift (for lots of small heals for your Minions). Some skills to consider for your Rt/Ns would be Protective Was Kaolai, Pure Was Li Ming and Weapon of Shadow. -[[User:St. Michael|Mike]] 08:53, 31 May 2008 (EDT)
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:::::Fighting as in all using corpse exploitation skill at the same time so some will waste energy and time, not lack of corpses. [[User:Spaggage|Spaggage]] [[User talk:Spaggage|'''''<small>talk</small>''''']] 18:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::: I tried all of these but jagged bones isn't neccesary, animate bone minions is more than enought. one shambling horrors isnt enought, tried taking shambling on 2-3 necro but then they all cast it at same time which greatly lowers efficiency. infuse conditions isn't worth taking i agree. i also took PwK on every N/Rt, works really really well. another advantage of a necro Minion bomber is that you have room for a secondary, creating room for the always useful Protective Spirit. [[User:Watch me work it|Watch me work it]] 10:01, 31 May 2008 (EDT)
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::::::Shambling Horror x3 is terrible. You only need 2 minion spells max. 3 if you're feeling really hawt. '''···'''[[User_talk:Daññy|&nbsp;]][[File:Danny-sig.png]] 20:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree on you guys, i think i'll switch the bomber to n/mo with aegis, PS and SoA, and PwK isnt that bad idea to have on 1 n/rt [[User:Smurf Minions|Smurf Minions]] 15:03, 31 May 2008 (EDT)
 
   
== Variant ==
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== Prof specific variants ==
I've been using this for HM:
 
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Assassin's Promise|"Finish Him!"|"You Move Like a Dwarf!"|Necrosis|Enfeebling Blood|Mark of Pain|Optional|Optional}}
 
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Discord|Signet of Lost Souls|Putrid Bile|Animate Shambling Horror|Rip Enchantment|Patient Spirit|Healing Ring|Infuse Health}}
 
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Discord|Signet of Lost Souls|Putrid Bile|Animate Shambling Horror|Blood of the Master|Patient Spirit|Healing Ring|Healing Whisper}}
 
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Discord|Signet of Lost Souls|Putrid Bile|Animate Shambling Horror|Death Nova|Patient Spirit|Healing Ring|Vengeance}}
 
   
Kills fast. Insane single-target damage, lots of aoe. I wouldn't really recommend Assassin's Promise without some good PvE skills to go with it though. Thought about switching the necs to N/Rt's but meh, haven't really messed around with it so far. [[User:P A R A S I T I C|P A R A S I T I C]] 18:00, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
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Is it possible to leave profession specific bars (for the user) on the variants section or something?- [[User:ShikaruNara|- Shikaru Nara ]]<small>([[User_talk:ShikaruNara|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/ShikaruNara|contribs]])</small> 02:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:Vengance =P --[[User:Fallen|<font color="Black">'''Fallen'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Fallen|''<font color="Blue">talk</font>'']])</small> 18:22, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
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:Bring a hex and a condition and don't be bad at ctrl+space. If you need prof specific bars, the basic form is Assassin's Promise + YMLaD + Finish Him and any 5 skills that make you kill shit easier and faster. Profession specific bars are hardly necessary. '''···'''[[User_talk:Daññy|&nbsp;]][[File:Danny-sig.png]] 06:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
::It's like a temp res - by the time the 30secs is over, the battle is usually almost done and the death is a free corpse. As for the posted build: I'd put Enfeebling Blood on the human player - the player will always use it better than a hero, and that's important because of how much damage it reduces. I'd just drop Weaken Armor, but put it on a hero if you really want it. Too many res skills imo. Use 1 or 2, but 3 is abit overkill. At least put Death Pact Sig on one of them. I'd take Rising Bile off the human bar - the 20secs is abit too long for PvE and the target might be dead by then, or the aoe damage won't even do anything by the time it does trigger....Replace with Putrid Bile. Replace the Res too....the human player should be taking advantage of all 8 skills, not 7 + a res. Not sure about Rotting Flesh - I never liked it in PvE, but I also haven't tried it out for a Discord team build, so I can't really comment on it. A few people bash Discord in PvE for being single-target damage, but it's also in a line with plenty of aoe. The human bar can change to something else and bring more aoe if needed. The strength of high single-target damage is being able to kill specific threats alot easier in HM. [[User:P A R A S I T I C|P A R A S I T I C]] 07:35, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
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your incredbly stupid,1 is energy,2 is Death nova, the hero cast on ALL minions death nova evan if they arent his,so let count let say 2 heroes got 3 shamb each,that is 6,and the 3rd hero got 3 aswell,that 9 death novas,rdy to blow away+as a meat shield+ the jagged horror cus bledding which is good for discord req.noobs
:::^^What he said. Rotting Flesh is good though, as most PvE enemies aren't human, meaning no drawback. Plus it helps getting conditions on every, thus making Discord almost unconditional. But, in all honesty, Sab-way is much better.--[[User:Fallen|<font color="Black">'''Fallen'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Fallen|''<font color="Blue">talk</font>'']])</small> 12:37, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
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:lolwut. [[User:Life Guardian|Life Guardian]] 09:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Indeed, as opposed to [[user:Droks|Dorks]], oops, Droks who trolls vengeance in pvp builds in a time of heavy enchantment removal meta in pve the skill after it's buff would prove very helpful as it unconditionally resurrects with full health ''and'' energy preventing further dp also, it is good. As for enfeebling on the second nec indeed, I doubt heroes chaining this skill well infact you invest alot of points in curses for the sake of one skill having a curse necro elready. --'''[[User:Tiger|<font face="Forte" color="OrangeRed">Tiger</font>]]''' [[Image:Tiger's Fury Tigrr.jpg|19px]] '''''[[User talk:Tiger|<font color="Black"><small>grrr!!</small></font>]]''''' 12:46, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
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::lolwut...condition and hex....that is all you have to do and let discord do it's thing. Minon bombing is 2ndary[[User:Xtreme1ne|<font color="#b22222"><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;">'''X'''</span></font>]]<sup><font color="#696969"><small>TREME</small></font></sup> [[File:Hunter.png|50px]] 12:15, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Discord teams arn't really comparable to "Sabway" (which really is just a compiled setup of old builds) in anyway, except that there's 3 necs. Sabway relies alot more on minions to do damage. It has almost no direct damage at all. SS is pretty bad on a hero since they'll rarely ever use it on the best targets. With Discord x3, you have pretty much enough damage to pick out any enemy from a mob and have it dead right there. [[User:P A R A S I T I C|P A R A S I T I C]] 17:10, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
 
::::::Well, I run DB/MB on my sin, and coupled with Sab's stuff and physical henches, I clear mobs before Crit Agility recharges. That's really all I care about. I just don't see Discord having the same affect. I'm all for trying it when my account is unbanned, but I'm always going to abide by some variation of Sab's build.--[[User:Fallen|<font color="Black">'''Fallen'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:Fallen|''<font color="Blue">talk</font>'']])</small> 23:31, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
 
   
I'll give this variant a try soon, looks odd but who knows,could be just as effective or even better! [[User:Watch me work it|Watch me work it]] 15:51, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
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== Possible build for rangers ==
:An x/A with Assassin's Promise should be just as good, or even better in some situations....Cry of Pain spam > mobs. An Assacaster could also fit the role and would still have it's 2ndary open. [[User:P A R A S I T I C|P A R A S I T I C]] 00:01, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 
::This really works out very well, you only need the first 3 skills and hero's will finish it, as for bosses, it still lasts long enough :), i'll give it a try with putrid explosion soon [[User:Smurf Minions|Smurf Minions]] 05:34, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 
:::But Just use N/Rt healers, that works way better than healing prayer N/Mo. [[Image:Discordsig.jpg|50x19px]][[User:Watch me work it|<font color="Green">'''Watch me work it'''</font>]] 12:44, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
 
== Do not hack your game ==
 
   
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I've been toying around with my ranger's skills and came upon this (srry for the template code):
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It kinda works but foes with blocking skills or blind may cause some trouble Stang 19:45, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
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{{mini skill bar|Assassin's Promise|"You Move Like a Dwarf!"|Falling Lotus Strike|Death Blossom|"Finish Him!"|Dwarven Stability|Lightning Reflexes|Resurrection Signet}}
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:Use [[Special:PvXDecode|PvXDecode]] next time. [[User:Spaggage|Spaggage]] [[User talk:Spaggage|'''''<small>talk</small>''''']] 19:51, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
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thx dude :D Stang 21:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
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::next time use mini skill bar. it makes talk pages not explode. also, if you're using Dwarven Stability, make use of requires enchant skills. '''···'''[[User_talk:Daññy|&nbsp;]][[File:Danny-sig.png]] 03:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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:::DS seems to be a waste here since AP will just recharge everything. Take Ural's Hammer or "I'm the Strongest!" or something. [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 03:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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::::Put Death Charge in the front before AP and take away DS. That way, you don't have to run towards your target. After I tried it, I changed Death Blossom into Signet of Deadly corruption. It worked better. More damage, and less energy.
   
Prot - 9+1 on a primary necromancer would be impossible without hacking the game I assume, unfortunately it is against the rules. :) --'''[[User:Tiger|<font face="Forte" color="OrangeRed">Tiger</font>]]''' [[Image:Tiger's Fury Tigrr.jpg|19px]] '''''[[User talk:Tiger|<font color="Black"><small>grrr!!</small></font>]]''''' 12:50, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
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== OMG mainbar Masochism ==
   
== Did anyone who rated it 0-1 actually tried it? ==
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Please? [[User:Majikmajikmajik|Majikmajikmajik]] 06:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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:This is true, i shall work on it. [[User:Life Guardian|Life Guardian]] 06:50, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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::Prolly replace PwK. [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]]
   
As i see, you guys think it's 'sabway' with discord as elite, it isn't as it's a normal minion bomber with 2 half n/rt healers from HA, nothing sab's on that. [[User:Smurf Minions|Smurf Minions]] 15:23, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
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moo big, there was a skill update. still, two extra points in death versus losing skills currently on the heroes, plus health sac for everything, isn't really worth it. &mdash; [[User:Mafaraxas|μαφλεσ]] 07:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
: yeh people crying about single target damage < Aoe clearly haven't tried this.[[User:Watch me work it|Watch me work it]] 15:53, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
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:You didnt lose anything big anyways, and 2 points makes a surprisingly large impact through discord, minion level, death nova damage, and energy management. The health sac is hardly noticable. [[User:Life Guardian|Life Guardian]] 07:40, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
::The people complaining about single-target damage don't seem to know what Death Nova or Putrid Bile do. If you don't want minions, Putrid Explosion whoops pretty hard too. The people trying to compare this to Sabway have never stepped into HA. [[User:P A R A S I T I C|P A R A S I T I C]] 00:01, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
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::at least don't replace PwK. tbh, i'm not so sure that the constant health saccing would be noticeable one way or the other. have you tested yet? &mdash; [[User:Mafaraxas|μαφλεσ]] 08:01, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::Yep, the extra points in death make shit blow up, and you can drop SoLS(depending on build) because of the extra points in SR. I would NEVER replace PwK, Zyke is a fucking autist. Easiest way i saw to counter the health loss was with recup, so i replaced recovery with it and now it's all good. Your heroes only lose ~20-25 health per cast anyways. [[User:Life Guardian|Life Guardian]] 08:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::I'd replace PWK. Loosing your weapon bonuses jusr for 10 armor isn't worth it and you already have Dwayna's for party heal thats enough. --[[User:Carnivorous Cupcake|Carnivorous]] [[User talk:Carnivorous Cupcake|Cupcake]][[File:CarnCupcake Muffin.jpg|19px]] 09:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::::Despite the obv leetness of PwK, it's had its recharge nerfed and survival isn't anyways the biggest issue in PvE ;'D with bigger minions and more damage it might compensate much/more than all of it. And as he said, you get to have weapons. --'''<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC;">[[User:Chaos Messenger|<font color="black">-Ch</font>]][[User talk:Chaos Messenger|<font color="deeppink">ao</font><font color="black">s-</font>]]</span>''' 10:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::::Leetness has almost gone when it stopped giving 24 armor bonus and having 15 recharge. :( --[[User:Carnivorous Cupcake|Carnivorous]] [[User talk:Carnivorous Cupcake|Cupcake]][[File:CarnCupcake Muffin.jpg|19px]] 10:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::PwK is still useful. The damage from mascochism isn't very noticable - it is similar to what you take in Gate of Pain mission (if you do find it a problem, a bit of full-party mending - recuperation - easily heals over). [[User:Athrun Feya| <small><font color="Maroon">'''Athrun'''</font>]][[image:Athrun_Sig.gif]][[User Talk:Athrun Feya|<font color="Grey">'''Feya'''</font></small>]] 11:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::The sac is not really anything compared to the buffs it gives. 2 SR gains from masochism alreday repays the health loss x5 --'''<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC;">[[User:Chaos Messenger|<font color="black">-Ch</font>]][[User talk:Chaos Messenger|<font color="deeppink">ao</font><font color="black">s-</font>]]</span>''' 11:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::::I use Rejuvenation instead of recup. It gives roughly the same regen as recup but costs less and you can have lower restoration magic level. :p --[[User:Carnivorous Cupcake|Carnivorous]] [[User talk:Carnivorous Cupcake|Cupcake]][[File:CarnCupcake Muffin.jpg|19px]] 11:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::::Also, Vigorous Spirit works mega wonders. :) --[[User:Carnivorous Cupcake|Carnivorous]] [[User talk:Carnivorous Cupcake|Cupcake]][[File:CarnCupcake Muffin.jpg|19px]] 11:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
   
== Variant ==
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:hey, I don't like how four of you basically repeated the exact same thing that Life said. good going. &mdash; [[User:Mafaraxas|μαφλεσ]] 15:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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::Ah, because I told Life basically what he said in game and didn't bother reading. [[User:Athrun Feya| <small><font color="Maroon">'''Athrun'''</font>]][[image:Athrun_Sig.gif]][[User Talk:Athrun Feya|<font color="Grey">'''Feya'''</font></small>]] 16:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
   
I've been trying some things with the Assassin's Promise variant and i figured out that his works the best:
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==lol==
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Assassin's Promise|"Finish Him!"|"You Move Like a Dwarf!"|Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support|Enfeebling Blood|Suffering|Insidious Parasite|Resurrection Signet}}
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bunch of terrible shitters. take masochism on only the MM and stop being autists. '''···'''[[User_talk:Daññy|&nbsp;]][[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 16:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Discord|Animate Bone Minions|Death Nova|Signet of Lost Souls|Dwayna's Sorrow|Aegis|Protective Spirit|Shield of Absorption|Signet of Lost Souls}}
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:The extra SR and damage is so amazing though :( You can't even tell that they're saccing health. [[User:Life Guardian|Life Guardian]] 20:00, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Discord|Putrid Bile|Rotting Flesh|Protective Was Kaolai|Spirit Light|Signet of Lost Souls|Life|Flesh of My Flesh}}
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:You mean the extra 10 damage and the extra 2 energy on an already full blue bar? '''···'''[[User_talk:Daññy|&nbsp;]][[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 20:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Discord|Putrid Bile|Animate Shambling Horror|Spirit Light|Mend Body and Soul|Signet of Lost Souls|Recovery|Flesh of My Flesh}}
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::Whats wrong with gaining 2 more energy and 10 more damage? ^^ --[[User:Carnivorous Cupcake|Carnivorous]] [[User talk:Carnivorous Cupcake|Cupcake]][[File:CarnCupcake Muffin.jpg|19px]] 20:44, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::the fact that 3% of your health is 15-18, meaning you're taking more damage than you're dealing, and you're using what energy you get to heal what you sac. you're really better off taking SoLS or some shit. '''···'''[[User_talk:Daññy|&nbsp;]][[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 20:48, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::cause spamming blood of the master with no minions will kill you?--[[User:Relyk|Relyk]] 21:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::::what does botm have to do with anything here? '''···'''[[User_talk:Daññy|&nbsp;]][[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 21:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::::analogy of saccing, 10 damage is nothing--[[User:Relyk|Relyk]] 21:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::you do know that you are only doing 10 extra damage also right? [[User:Drahgal Meir|Drahgal Meir]] 21:54, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::Thats 30 total! Plus it's better energy, stonger minions, death nova, etc. [[User:Life Guardian|Life Guardian]] 22:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::::Also, Recup, Rejuv, Vigorous. --[[User:Carnivorous Cupcake|Carnivorous]] [[User talk:Carnivorous Cupcake|Cupcake]][[File:CarnCupcake Muffin.jpg|19px]] 22:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::::tbh stronger minions is the only legitimate reason. &mdash; [[User:Mafaraxas|μαφλεσ]] 22:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::::::HM Flesh Golem anyone?--[[User:Ikimono1|<font color="blue">'''Ikimono'''</font><small><font color ="brown">"My beard is thick."</font></small>]][[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 23:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
   
The 3 curses spells on the main player are more a backup, you need only the first 4 skills, the rest is obvious :) [[User:Smurf Minions|Smurf Minions]] 04:17, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
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this is retarted, who in their right mind would replace masochism with signet of lost souls, Masochism only gives 6 energy every 15 seconds, signet of lost souls gives easily more energy than that, SOS heals you significantly whereas masochism damages you, do not take this terrible skill for the extra 10 damage, its not worth it.
:Looks good, heroes know how to use Dwayna's Sorrow? [[Image:Discordsig.jpg|50x19px]][[User:Watch me work it|<font color="Green">'''Watch me work it'''</font>]] 05:11, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
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:SoLS is actually completely unnecessary on a discord bar. However, taking Maso on the healer probably isnt needed. [[User:Life Guardian|Life Guardian]] 03:07, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
::Yup, they use it on minions and when they go boom you get 20 health for each minion that was effected :) [[User:Smurf Minions|Smurf Minions]] 06:59, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
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::Alright, debating on switching skills 2,3, and 8 on the first two bars. [[User:Life Guardian|Life Guardian]] 03:28, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
   
One Putrid Bile is enough imo. [[Image:Discordsig.jpg|50x19px]][[User:Watch me work it|<font color="Green">'''Watch me work it'''</font>]] 07:30, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
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i am 100% wit danny on this ... maso is fuckin retarded ... how come anet thinks +2 on anything will make every one orgasm over an update ... SoLS is sooooo much better ... you all can use maso but yeah im still stickin with SoLS or not takin either lol ... that 10 dmg is better then shadow form ... [[Image:Ecro_sig.jpg‎| ]][[User:Ecro|'''<span style="color:green"><strong>Ecro</strong></span>''']] <small>[[User talk:Example|''talk'']] </small> 23:46, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:You get more AoE with 2 putrids as it has 12 seconds recharge [[User:Smurf Minions|Smurf Minions]] 08:04, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
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:The end point is there is no reason why you need to have signet of lost souls on a discord bar since monsters die retardedly quick in the fist place. Stronger minions, a little more damage, and 1 more energy gained on death- outweights the health gain you get from SoLS (imo)--[[User:Ikimono1|<font color="blue">'''Ikimono'''</font><small><font color ="brown">"My beard is thick."</font></small>]][[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 01:32, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
::I suggest making this variant the main build, it's better in most situations, and though I don't agree entirely on the skills on the heroes, thats just detail. [[Image:Discordsig.jpg|50x19px]][[User:Watch me work it|<font color="Green">'''Watch me work it'''</font>]] 13:53, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
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::You ever fight a group of Stone Summit in HM? SoLS is the only reason your healer has a blue bar half the time. Masochism is wonderful on the MM. On the Enfeeble, take a hard rez or an extra heal. On the Resto, take SoLS or an extra heal. '''···'''[[User_talk:Daññy|&nbsp;]][[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 16:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
   
Just did Ring of Fire HM with this build and it worked very well! I even wasn't infused and had no big problems :D [[User:78.49.29.192|78.49.29.192]] 16:55, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
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you don't want strong minions on any of these characters, you want them to blow up ASAP, SOLS gives more energy than Masochism and heals instead of hurts. The one extra minion and the +10 damage to death nova and discord are insignificant compared to the damage you will be taking as a result of this (around 15 per skill)if enemies are dieing so fast you don't "need it" then why the hell would you change the build???-the king
   
== Yet another "Variant" ==
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==sig of deadly corruption==
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since you already have 12 deadly arts? it needs conditions for dmg, and so doesnt discord so that condition is met. plus it's a signet so not a waste of energy. basically an extra discord. variants? [[User:Sir Nothing|Sir Nothing]] 03:32, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
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:I believe we stopped listing the caller variants, but yes, it is definitely a variant and probably mainbar. [[User:Life Guardian|Life Guard
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::By the time you actually have the chance to use it your target will most likely already be dead. [[Special:Contributions/86.1.180.54|86.1.180.54]] 01:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
   
OKhere's what I've been using since... well it's been a long time. But anyway, it is way more aggressive than the build with the 2 N/rts (I don't know why there is 2 TBH but w/e).
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{{TOCright}}
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This hero and player combination can deal loads of armor ignoring damage with {{skill icon|Discord}} while hexing and conditioning foes, making it perfect for any Hard Mode job.
   
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Assassin's Promise|"Finish Him!"|Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support|Mindbender|Enfeebling Blood|Putrid Bile|Malign Intervention|Resurrection Signet}}
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==Major Changes==
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Discord|Animate Shambling Horror|Verata's Gaze|Blood of the Master|Dwayna's Sorrow|Malign Intervention|Protective Spirit|Vengeance|Enfeebling Blood}}
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{{any}}/{{a}} '''[[Build:Team_-_Discord Spam#Player|Player]]'''
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Discord|Animate Shambling Horror|Verata's Gaze|Death Nova|Malign Intervention|Rip Enchantment|Enfeeble|Dwayna's Sorrow}}
 
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Discord|Life|Mend Body and Soul|Spirit Light|Protective Was Kaolai|Enfeebling Blood|Foul Feast|Flesh of My Flesh}}
 
   
Mind bender is optional really but I really like how fast things go with it.
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{{mini skill bar|Assassin's Promise|"You Move Like a Dwarf!"|Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support|"Finish Him!"|Optional|Optional|Optional|Optional}}
It can tank a lot, and even one of the MM's death isn't a critical mistake. Since most of the builds posted here seem to focus on fleshy areas, malign intervention is totally the way to go if you want a hex. You get a hex, 20% reduction, a minion for 5e, and if it dies, soul reaping. You can even cast assassin's promise at the end of a fight if you haven't on the last mob, just be carefull not to turn it ally then.
 
Note that this build totally sucks in non fleshy area, and it was not designed for that anyway.
 
I know, Vengeance, but it used to be a res sig so replace it if needed.
 
I never use the res sig either so it could be replaced by whatever. [[User:88.169.112.155|88.169.112.155]] 06:43, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
 
:I stopped looking after seeing you had Vengeance... <font face=chick>[[User:Godliest|<font color="purple">'''God'''</font>]][[User_talk:Godliest|<font color="pink">'''box'''</font>]]</font> [[image:GodlyCompanion-cube.jpg|20px]] 06:55, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
 
::And thats why I said you could replace it by whatever res you want. [[User:88.169.112.155|88.169.112.155]] 09:24, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
 
:::2 N/Rt is a win/win situation, killing isn't a problem so why not bring some more heals yeh?, and bring you move like a dwarf it's one of the best skills in-game especially if you can spam it every 3 sec orso. [[Image:Discordsig.jpg|50x19px]][[User:Watch me work it|<font color="Green">'''Watch me work it'''</font>]] 06:17, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
 
   
== MM ==
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{{n}}/{{rt}} '''[[Build:Team_-_Discord Spam#Recup Resto|Big Heals Life discord]]'''
   
Get rid of Dwayna's Sorrow, just use the Sabway MM layout.--[[Image:Relyk Purifying Veil Sig.jpg|19px]][[User:Relyk|<font color="99CCFF">'''R<small>ELYK</small>''' </font>]] [[User talk:Relyk|<small><font color="CCCCFF">ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ</font></small>]] 20:59, 12 July 2008 (EDT)<br>
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{{mini skill bar|Discord|Animate Bone Minions|Spirit Light|Protective Was Kaolai|Spirit Transfer|Mend Body and Soul|Life|Death Pact Signet}}
Did anyone notice the 3 necros trying to cast minions at a corpse at the same time, then 2 would fail? [[User:DarkSpirit|DarkSpirit]] 11:52, 17 February 2009 (EST)
 
   
== Player ==
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{{n}}/{{rt}} '''[[Build:Team_-_Discord Spam#Curse Resto|Curse Recuperation discord]]'''
The build is impossible without the hacking again :P
 
4 pve skills in 1 bar isnt possible without hacking {{unsigned|80.203.43.44}}
 
:Fixed. <font face=chick>[[User:Godliest|<font color="purple">'''God'''</font>]][[User_talk:Godliest|<font color="pink">'''box'''</font>]]</font> [[image:GodlyCompanion-cube.jpg|20px]] 07:14, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
 
::Smooth criminal in warriors optional skills is impossible as well. [[User:Gunnm|Gunnm]] 12:57, 28 January 2009 (EST)
 
:::Geez what is it with people and 'hacking' can't we assume that that's impossible and just say someone goofed up the skill points again :) --[[Special:Contributions/82.70.173.139|82.70.173.139]] 00:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 
   
== Variant ==
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{{mini skill bar|Discord|Enfeebling Blood|Shadow of Fear|Protective Was Kaolai|Mend Body and Soul|Weapon of Warding|Recuperation|Signet Of Lost Souls}}
   
Just keep the heroes the same and let the player choose his primary and secondary, make it more like a group of heroes kinda like sabway that vanquish anything, just get rid of the build that the player should use and add it in variants, cause i think it would be better if it wasnt a necro build, but a hero build, other wise you could just title this Build: N/any Discord Spam Team.--[[User:Fire Tock|<font color=lightblue>'''Fire'''</font>]] [[Image:Mudkip.png|19px]] [[User talk:Fire Tock|<font color=lightblue>'''Tock'''</font>]]<small><sup> [[User:The Gates Assassin/A Team with Fire Tock|<font color="orange">herd yuo liek mudkipz.</font>]]</sup></small> 18:46, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
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{{n}}/{{mo}} '''[[Build:Team_-_Discord Spam#Sorrow Discord|Protter discord]]'''
:I agree with that, as i use a N/A (player) just for assassins promise, and watch me and i thought about other things with other professions that are also nice. [[User:Smurf Minions|Smurf Minions]] 03:36, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
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:: I say leave it as it is, if people cant figure out that they can change a build in the team they shouldent get a better build. I'm using Me/Any for DW and it kills faster ^^ [[User:Dumazz|Dumazz]] 11:38, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
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{{mini skill bar|Discord|Putrid Bile|Animate Bone Minions|Death Nova|Optional|Spirit Bond|Dwayna's Sorrow|Shield of Absorption|}}
:::Phantom Pain + Shatter delusions can be painfull too, and with that you still have alot of place for almost anything :), as i said, the player has alot of room for his own ideas, you probably don't even need to take something that synchronizes with the build, only need to call a target (though bringing up a hex+condition at a target + calling it works good) [[User:Smurf Minions|Smurf Minions]] 12:11, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
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::::ok, then i'l just put in variants that you dont need to be a primary necro and can just use the heroes with another build.--[[User:Fire Tock|<font color=lightblue>'''Fire'''</font>]] [[Image:Mudkipz TNP.gif|19px]] [[User talk:Fire Tock|<font color=lightblue>'''Tock'''</font>]]<small><sup> [[User:The Gates Assassin/A Team with Fire Tock|<font color="orange">herd yuo liek mudkipz.</font>]]</sup></small> 09:40, 15 July 2008 (EDT)
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Optional is convert Hexes or Aegis depending on the situation
::::: My bar if anyone need it {{scalable skill bar|35px|Optional|Stolen Speed|Shrinking Armor|Phantom Pain|Shatter Delusions|Ethereal Burden|Kitah's Burden|Resurrection Signet}}
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::::: Just use 2 for a hex, and to speed up the next spells, then 3 or 4 followed by 5 for a condition. 6 and 7 is just extra hexes and E-management [[User:Dumazz|Dumazz]] 04:16, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
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Reason for these changes: Signet of lost souls is only needed on the recup necro
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What if we just put in a bar for every profession? [[User:Smurf Minions|Smurf Minions]] 06:01, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
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Recup is superior too recovery because there are already two mend body and souls, energy is fine on the other characters.
:Ooh, i got the perfect one, {{mini skill bar|Ursan Blessing}}--[[User:Fire Tock|<font color=lightblue>'''Fire'''</font>]] [[Image:Mudkipz TNP.gif|19px]] [[User talk:Fire Tock|<font color=lightblue>'''Tock'''</font>]]<small><sup> [[User:The Gates Assassin/A Team with Fire Tock|<font color="orange">herd yuo liek mudkipz.</font>]]</sup></small> 09:38, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
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:: or you could just do this...
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Animate shambling Horror has too long of a recharge, the MM with Animate shambling will never get more than two or three minions with this skill which means fewer bombs, Animate bone minions is the superior skill here. With two Animate bone minions you can also get a considerable minion
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spirit bond is better than Prot spirit in discordway, in HM especially almost every hit will give +80 health, and if their not hitting for around 50-60 then prot spirit isn't doing anything either.
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Death pact signet is better than Flesh of my flesh, if the person who was rezzed dies in under two minutes then you are going to wipe anyway and you avoided the extra DP, Flesh of my flesh means you both have no energy and relatively low HP as well. The faster cast time also makes a difference.
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spirit transfer instead of ghostmirror light well thats just kind of obvious... it heals for a lot more and you will always have at least one spirit up. heroes can also trigger party heals using this if they see that the spirits are taking damage
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Shield of Absorption prevents ridiculous amounts of damage and needs to be on the protters bar in some form.
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Masochism is a bad skill for Discordway, taking 15 damage whenever you use a skill is not worth the 6 energy every 15 seconds and the marginal extra damage. It is also easily stripped since this build doesn't have very many cover enchantments
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-The King
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:Personally I put my minions on my Curses Necro and not my Restoration Necro. Seems the Restoration Necro has higher spec in Restoration it makes sense he spends more time healing and spiking than raising minions (I see the Curses Necro as more of a utility character). I actually agree with using Animate Bone Minions x2 though. You can get a large army up pretty quickly. Masochism should stay on your bar though, it's extra damage, extra energy, and more minions. I haven't found the minor health loss to be an issue at all. I run a completely different MM though with Foul Feast and Infuse Condition which allows me to bring bigger heals. I don't really bother with resurrect spells unless it's a high end area in which I'll switch up a little.
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{{mini skill bar|Discord|Protective Was Kaolai|Weapon of Warding|Ghostmirror Light|Spirit Light|Life|Signet of Lost Souls|Flesh of My Flesh}}
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{{mini skill bar|Masochism|Discord|Animate Bone Minions|Enfeebling Blood|Shadow of Fear|Spirit Light|Protective Was Kaolai|Recovery}}
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{{mini skill bar|Masochism|Discord|Animate Bone Minions|Putrid Bile|Death Nova|Foul Feast|Infuse Condition|Dwayna's Sorrow|}}
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[[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 08:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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:spirit light healing ftw--[[User:Relyk|Relyk]] 08:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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::I quite like selkets builds, but would be tempted to change the second bar to something with prot. Heroes bars have terrible prot skills which they don't know how to use.
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{{mini skill bar|Masochism|Discord|Animate Bone Minions|Enfeebling Blood|Shadow of Fear|Shield of Absorption|Protective Spirit|Aegis}}
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::[[User:Athrun Feya| <small><font color="Maroon">'''Athrun'''</font>]][[image:Athrun_Sig.gif]][[User Talk:Athrun Feya|<font color="Grey">'''Feya'''</font></small>]] 08:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::You could quite easily run Aegis and Protective Spirit on the Curses Necro. I've done it before and that works too. I normally throw a form of hex removal in if I run protection on the Curses Necro. I do find with the previously posted build of mine that big protection isn't needed as much as there's bigger healing from dual Spirit Light and a higher specced Dwaynas Sorrow.
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{{mini skill bar|Discord|Protective Was Kaolai|Weapon of Warding|Ghostmirror Light|Spirit Light|Life|Signet of Lost Souls|Flesh of My Flesh}}
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{{mini skill bar|Masochism|Discord|Animate Bone Minions|Enfeebling Blood|Shadow of Fear|Optional|Protective Spirit|Aegis}}
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{{mini skill bar|Masochism|Discord|Animate Bone Minions|Putrid Bile|Death Nova|Foul Feast|Infuse Condition|Dwayna's Sorrow|}}
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[[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 09:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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:i like prot spirit there better--[[User:Relyk|Relyk]] 09:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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::I do too it's a nicer attribute spread. This is the full bars with attributes included.
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'''Restoration Healer'''
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[build prof=N/Rt death=10+1+1 sou=8+1 res=12][Discord][Protective Was Kaolai][Spirit Light][Ghostmirror Light][Weapon of Warding][Life][Signet of Lost Souls][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]
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'''Dwaynas Bomber'''
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[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+1 soul=8+1 heal=10][Masochism][Discord][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][Foul Feast][Infuse Condition][Dwaynas Sorrow][/build]
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'''Curses Protection'''
 
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[build prof=any/N death=12 cur=12][Discord][Necrosis][Pain Inverter][Shadow of Fear][Enfeebling Blood][Weaken Armor][Mindbender][Resurrection Signet][/build]
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[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+1 sou=8+1 cur=7+1 prot=8][Masochism][Discord][Animate Bone Minions][Enfeebling Blood][Shadow of Fear][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Reverse Hex][/build]
 
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--[[User:Fire Tock|<font color=lightblue>'''Fire'''</font>]] [[Image:Mudkipz TNP.gif|19px]] [[User talk:Fire Tock|<font color=lightblue>'''Tock'''</font>]]<small><sup> [[User:The Gates Assassin/A Team with Fire Tock|<font color="orange">herd yuo liek mudkipz.</font>]]</sup></small> 09:40, 16 July 2008 (EDT)<br>
 
Because thats going to work with non primary necros, 14 death magic.
 
:yeah-huh!!!!
 
::This is pretty much what i have been running on my (primary necro) to vanquish eye of the north + some of the dungeons and it is working great :) Once you are runed up and off into battle you wont regret it... [[User:T1Cybernetic|T1Cybernetic]] 06:36, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
 
   
==other professions==
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[[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 09:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
hey guys I use a paragon ALWAYS. I vanquish alot and do guardian, and im getting bored of sab-way and paraway. This build has been looking pretty interesting to me, but i dont want to waste money getting my heroes runes and equipment for the discord spam build because I am not sure how well it will work if I am running a paragon primary (always an imbagon). That any/N bar above will probably not work cause paragons dont have good energy management without shouts, so I was wondering if one of you might be able to post a paraogn build for me. Thanks[[User:Klomi|Klomi]] 13:51, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 
:give your heroes some hexes like suffering and Parasitic bond so you only have to take care of the conditions, barbed spear could be good. [[Image:Discordsig.jpg|50x19px]][[User:Watch me work it|<font color="Green">'''Watch me work it'''</font>]] 04:07, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
 
   
== Another Variant, Dervish/Necro Specifically ==
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:Why dual MM? They would fight for corpses and spammable minion spells tend to greatly distract your discords from discording so having the spell on just one of your necs is enough imo. I personally like to bring just one MM with BotM, bringing 10-11 healthy minions to the next battle is just as good as bringing 11+ dead ones. --[[User:Carnivorous Cupcake|Carnivorous]] [[User talk:Carnivorous Cupcake|Cupcake]][[File:CarnCupcake Muffin.jpg|19px]] 09:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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::Depends on how corpse heavy the area is. I find that the more minions you have the better your energy and healing from Dwaynas is, aswell as bombing. Corpse fighting isn't an issue (not with dual). Also you should bind Discord for spikes (at least I do anyway). [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 09:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::With 10 spec Dwayna's and a single MM you can potentially have 350-375 points of party heal running around. Personally, I think that it's enough. I bind my Discord to keyboard too but I wont order them to spike when they are casting animate spells or they would cancel the casting throwing some 15 energy owt of the window. --[[User:Carnivorous Cupcake|Carnivorous]] [[User talk:Carnivorous Cupcake|Cupcake]][[File:CarnCupcake Muffin.jpg|19px]] 09:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::Personally having upto double that amount of healing is even better. I've lost count of the amount of times I've ran around areas with 18+ minions. It's simply a matter of whether the area you're in supports mass corpse reanimation or not. Most of the time the heroes are busy doing their own thing enough to not be fighting over corpses when raising minions. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 10:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
   
I love using this build with my Necro primary character, however my Dervish is whom I have worked the most on and wanted to use this build with said toon. And this is purely as an alternative to the */N Discord spammer above since I haven't finished Factions and couldn't be bothered to pay for an Elite Tome for Discord.
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holy fuck you guys are terrible at this game. '''···'''[[User_talk:Daññy|&nbsp;]][[File:Dannycbf.PNG]] 16:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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:Hardly. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 17:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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:and what in particular makes us terrible? --[[User:Carnivorous Cupcake|Carnivorous]] [[User talk:Carnivorous Cupcake|Cupcake]][[File:CarnCupcake Muffin.jpg|19px]] 01:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
   
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==Monk Player==
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This is the Build that I came up with for my Monk:
 
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[build prof=D/N myst=10+1 cur=12 scythe=8+1][Avatar of Lyssa][Enfeebling Blood][Weaken Armor][Shadow of Fear][Mindbender][Pain Inverter][Eternal Aura][Faithful Intervention][/build]
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[build prof=Mo/A Smiting=12+1+1 Deadly=12][Assassins Promise][Death's Charge]["You Move Like a Dwarf!"][Stonesoul Strike][Iron Palm][Holy Strike][Finish Him][Shadow Sanctuary][/build]
 
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[[User:Thonyonline]] 21:26, 24 august 2009 (CET)
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:Too energy intensive imo. You also dont deal much more damage than a normal AP caller. :/ --[[User:Carnivorous Cupcake|Carnivorous]] [[User talk:Carnivorous Cupcake|Cupcake]][[File:CarnCupcake Muffin.jpg|19px]] 15:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
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::No excuse for no Sig of Deadly Corruption now, imo [[Special:Contributions/86.134.211.13|86.134.211.13]]
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:::Castigation Signet...--[[User:Ikimono1|<font color="blue">'''Ikimono'''</font><small><font color ="brown">"Mutton Chop Man"</font></small>]][[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 15:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
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[build prof=Mo/A Smiting=12+1+1 Deadly=12][Assassins Promise]["You Move Like a Dwarf!"][Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support][Finish Him][Castigation Signet][Optional][Optional][Rebirth][/build]
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If you're fighting Plagueborn, Lift Enchantment to remove shadowform ;O --[[User:Ikimono1|<font color="blue">'''Ikimono'''</font><small><font color ="brown">"Mutton Chop Man"</font></small>]][[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 15:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
   
So, I guess this variant (along with a +15 staff with 20% Ench / +30 depending on your choice of flavour) gives the derv an abundance of energy, and ability to recharge AoL quickly to keep up the mana count. That and enchants running out = more energy back and minor healing. And a bit more oomph to attacks if you decide to swap out to a Scythe when energy runs a bit dry. Just a thought. [[User:Sureshot|Sureshot]] 19:21, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
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== explain==
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You may want to switch "You Move Like a Dwarf" with "Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support"--[[User:Xtreme1ne|<font color="#b22222"><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;">'''X'''</span></font>]] 00:04, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
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:You wouldn't, so gogo revert, which i already did. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 00:07, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
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::"Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support" for Ebon Sin, not for YMLaD!. YMLaD! + FH! should remain in any case.
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:: EVSS is a good alternative for area with lots of healer.
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:: Pain Inverter is nice too against high/aoe dps foes. [[User:Elephantaliste Noir|Elephantaliste Noir]] 19:38, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
   
:I recommend using withering aura. especially on a dervish powered by enchants. Bring mystic sweep then [[User:88.169.112.155|88.169.112.155]] 05:26, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
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== Signet of Deadly Corruption ==
   
== Asuran Scan ==
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I've tested it and when using Signet of Deadly Corruption with this build, you could easily destroy targets who refuse to die much faster, when there's high pressure on the heroes and you need to kill as many as possible in the fastest time. [[User:Silencez0rd|Silencez0rd]] 10:30, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
0 sec cast. Phys clases got a good hex to use with this now. [[User:P A R A S I T I C|P A R A S I T I C]] 20:25, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
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:I have a question, There is weakness condition and bleeding contion, Which would cause about 58 damage. What should be added to the Discordway to put in more conditions?
:Imo you should change the human to x/A and have assassin's promise, YMLaD, and Finish him, and suggest options for the open skills, considering that would work on almost any class [[User:Driggy bowmaster|Driggy]] 19:52, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
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::you could take [[gww:Weaken Armor|Weaken Armor]] on the curses without gimping his bar too much. you can usually drop Recovery for that. If you wanted to go nuts, you could try taking [[gww:Poisoned Heart|Poisoned Heart]] or [[gww:Viper's Defense|Viper's Defense]] (assuming you're assassin primary), though it'll usually be redundant with death nova. &mdash; [[User:Mafaraxas|Maf so rational.]] 21:56, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
:: we all know that, but smurf minions is lazy and so is everyone else.[[Image:Discordsig.jpg|50x19px]][[User:Watch me work it|<font color="Green">'''Watch me work it'''</font>]] 06:06, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
 
:::lol alright, just trying to help and it did look like it had already been suggested enough times... dunno why i took the time to edit but i did anyways (boredom) [[User:Driggy bowmaster|Driggy]] 00:20, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 
::::You can edit yourself you know? :P [[User:Smurf Minions|Smurf Minions]] 05:43, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
 
   
== Optionals ==
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== I fail at discordway .. help?==
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I guess I'm a bigger noob than I realized :).
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I use Discordway with great results in most places. I go Mo/A, I take the main bar on the page along with Mark of Death, Signet of Deadly Corruption and some smites.
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In GW:EN solo (Heros and Henchies), in Hard Mode I run across a group of 7 charr<br>
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2 x Charr Prophet<br>
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2 x Charr Hexreaper<br>
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2 x Charr Flameshielder<br>
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1 x Charr Wardkeeper<br>
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Having 2 healers in hard mode is annoying, but Discordway can usually over come that (esp with Mark of Death helping). Except the Flameshielders have Extinguish (party wide cond removal) and so i'm only able to keep Discordway primed about 50 to 60% of the time. Ok, thats fine the minion bomb should finish it off right? well the wardkeeper with ward agaisnt harm + elemental + melee jacks up the armor so much that the mm bomb effectiveness is cut way down, not to mention the AoE dmg from the Flameshielders mean the MM don't last long. I wind up unable to kill anything and 3 minutes latter with nothing to feed the soul reaping everyone runs out of energy and we wipe. Attempts to pull them out of the wards haven't produced any better results. (henchmen are: Me, interupt Ranger, Prot Monk, Healing Monk)
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I Know I'm fail, but hopefully someone can help me see the obvious thing I'm missing. Is there an easy tip on how to handle this situation?[[User:GW-Myth|GW-Myth]] 11:50, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
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:I usually take Herta over the Mes for Hench. You could try replacing "YMlaD!" with Technobable and maybe take Pain Inverter for the Flameshielders so they blow themselves up (especially with all the minions running around). Also the effectiveness of the minion bombing (or any of the damage in Discordway for that matter) isn't affected by armor buffs becuase it's all armor ignoring damage. If all else fails, then ask your guild or friends I guess. [[User:Spaggage|Spaggage]] [[User talk:Spaggage|'''''<small>talk</small>''''']] 13:26, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
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::Thanks for the reply, I like your idea of PI on the Flameshielders I'll give your suggestions a try. Thanks. [[User:GW-Myth|GW-Myth]] 01:57, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
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:::I usually take Cynn (meteor shower helps a lot) over the interrupt hench and Herta over the prot hench. [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 07:07, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
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The small bar and big bar for the Life Resto are different. Should either Ghostmirror Light or Spirit Light be on the mainbar? [[Special:Contributions/124.180.39.27|124.180.39.27]] 06:58, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
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:Mmm, preference. I use Putrid Bile over WoW and bring Ghostmirror to counter Maso's sac. These bars are very widely variable, and you should experiment to find the version that works best for you. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 07:03, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
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::Thank you, that does make sense. However, shouldn't we still keep one of the skills and put the other as a variant? It seems a bit unusual if the bars are not the same. I would think that Spirit Light is more widely used and mainbar that, but I'm not entirely sure. [[Special:Contributions/124.180.39.27|124.180.39.27]] 07:13, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
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:::Ghostmirror was on both bars originally. Someone changed the main bars and i cba to figure out who. Ill fix it if i have time tomorrow. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 07:21, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
   
I've edited the players bar, and posted some options for the primary profession, if you have anymore ideas just add them. [[User:Smurf Minions|Smurf Minions]] 05:59, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
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hmmmm...[[Special:Contributions/151.188.18.83|151.188.18.83]] 15:50, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
:What about replacing "You Move Like a Dwarf!" with [[gww:Technobabble|Technobabble]]? [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 00:08, 11 December 2008 (EST)
 
   
== HERO ==
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== Different Main ==
   
tag should be added since it is more of a hero team then a player team [[User:Majikmajikmajik|Majikmajikmajik]] 22:55, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
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I know you guys have said repeatedly that you aren't changing mainbar for the caller, and I am not asking for that, so don't flame me for this please. I personally love running necrosis, so I can take an active role in dealing damage. Would I be successful running curses and soul reaping only, bring p-bond for the spam hex and enfeeble for the spam condition? I think this could be effective because i bring the extra damage from my necrosis, and it seems less vulnerable to mistakes, because a single hex removal on the mainbar's build screws you over for the next 45 seconds... on this, its just 2, and your elite is still open for whatever else you want... is there something i'm obviously missing here? [[User:Kurotou Shadestryke|Kurotou Shadestryke]] 22:37, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
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:Would probably work, but bringing barbs, MoP, enfeebling blood, and sig of deadly corruption in the optionals works just as well. If you know there's going to be heavy hex removal, micro shadow of fear on clumped targets to bait it out or call with barbs/mop. You'd be surpised how much damage the caller bar actually does. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 00:05, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
   
== [[Build:N/any Hybrid MoP MM]] ==
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== Paragons ==
Would synergize greatly with this team and a party full of physicals. [[User:I Am Jebus|<font color=blue>I]] [[User talk:I Am Jebus|<font color=red>is</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/I Am Jebus|<font color=gold>*<font color=green>Je<font size=1>b</font>us<font color=gold>*</font>]][[image:IAmJebussig3.jpg|19px]]</font></font></font><font size=0.5>[[User:I Am Jebus/Contests|Enter my contests!]]</font> 15:42, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
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This also easily can be run by paragons. Simply take leader's zeal or just GftE with some leadership (10 would do). Funniest thing is to make qknocks with YmlaD and EVAS. Requires litl bit of practise, but it is most fun:D[[User:Sebv2727|Sebv2727]] 16:28, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
   
: would also sync with the ebon assassins [[User:Majikmajikmajik|Majikmajikmajik]] 22:45, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
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== Sorrow Discord - Death Nova vs. PS ==
::The Ebon Sin has horrible AI - if you cast it on somethin that's adjacent to another enemy, the chances of it attacking your target are really really low. So it actually has bad synergy with MoP. I stopped using it cause of that. If you're playing as primary Nec, you can bring MoP yourself since it'll be recharged by AP. Without it, the 20sec recharge on it is pretty bad. Even worse on a hero. If you really wanna use it, just drop the Restor points from one of the necs and spec into Curses then add it along with Enfeebling Blood. [[User:P A R A S I T I C|P A R A S I T I C]] 18:30, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
 
   
== Easy caller for any professions ==
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Has anyone else noticed that the Sorrow Discord hero tend to cast Death Nova instead of PS? I've noticed that when someone's getting spiked, the hero tends to cast Death Nova instead of PS to try to keep him alive - I end up having to either micro PS or disable Death Nova on his bar. Might it be better to move Death Nova or the Prot role to another hero?
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:Hmm, this is an example of what i would call epic defensefag. Health bars shouldnt be dropping that low. However, heroes do prioritize Death Nova over Heals, so make sure not to combine Death Nova and Healing. The best option is to micro PS onto yourself before the fight, and take the brunt of the damage instead of your heroes/hench. The hero will be able to handle PS fine after that. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 08:59, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
   
"You Move Like a Dwarf!" + Assassin's Promise can be used on any profession to make a strong caller. All the other player builds on this page are too energy intensive for Warriors and Paragons. [[User:Teutonic|Teutonic]] 16:33, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
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== Warrior Build? ==
:This is meant for casters. If you're a Warrior, you should just run Sabway. If you're a Paragon, run Racnothway. --[[Image:GoD_Hammer_and_Sickle.jpg|19px]] '''<small style="font-variant:small-caps;font-family:Verdana;border-style:solid;border-width:2px;border-color:red;background-color:gold;padding:0px 5px 1px 6px;">[[user:Guild of Deals|<span style="color:red;">Guild</span>]] [[user talk:Guild of Deals|<span style="color:red;">of</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<span style="color:red;">Deals</span>]]</small>''' 16:35, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
 
::Withering Aura + Asuran Scan. Now melee classes can run Discord heroes. Btw, Sab/Racway are far from being the best choices. [[User:P A R A S I T I C|P A R A S I T I C]] 06:27, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
 
   
==sub par bars==
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What would be a possible build for running this as a warrior primary? [[Special:Contributions/75.157.47.232|75.157.47.232]] 22:58, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
Animate shambling horrors??? Because even if you micro it, competing for bodies with the MM is a good thing, right? Variant at best. Enfeebling blood is easily better than rotting flesh, and only 9 resto???? And why is there no fish hex? No foul feast. 1 MBaS is not enough...--[[User:72.130.220.204|72.130.220.204]] 19:44, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
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:Endurance Axe. --'''<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;">[[User:Chaos|<font color="deeppink">-Chaos-]] ([[User_talk:Chaos|moo]]) </font></span>'''-- 23:00, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
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::I had (0) trouble running a dragon slash warrior build with save yourself's - Managed to get legendary guardian + vanquisher easily.... [[User:T1Cybernetic|T1Cybernetic]] 23:31, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
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:::I could win PvE with a proper hero team and an empty skillbar so... ;o ... but Dragon Slash is alright. --'''<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;">[[User:Chaos|<font color="deeppink">-Chaos-]] ([[User_talk:Chaos|moo]]) </font></span>'''-- 01:05, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
   
There are too many complaints about this build being too energy intensive for Paragons and Warriors. If it is not for Paragons and Warriors please dont fake it and state that it is for ALL PROFESSIONS, otherwise do some energy calculations and convince us how all 3 10e PvE skills can work for my them. This is obviously a caster build, my warrior doesn't need all these minion protection because he would be in the front lines. And no enfeebling blood and splinter weapon? There are too many problems with this build. [[User:DarkSpirit|DarkSpirit]] 11:42, 12 November 2008 (EST)
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== Assassins Promise is not even needed ==
:Haven't you heard? Warriors with staves are the new meta!! Oh and yeh, fuck minions!! We don't want no attacking wall protecting the rest of the team! The worior will tank everything! WORIORS RULE PVE AND PVP!!! I SOLO WHOLE PVE CAMPAIGN WITH MY WORIOR! Taking minions would make the other warriors think we are pussies anyway '''[[Special:Contributions/Saz|<span style='color:deeppink;'>—</span>]]<small style='font-family:Verdana;font-variant: small-caps;'>[[User:Saz|<span style='color:deeppink;'>Sazzy</span>]][[User_Talk:Saz|<span style='color:Black;'>Pooh</span>]][[Image:PinkNautical.jpg]]11:53, 12 November 2008 (EST)</small>'''
 
   
Ah..I should have used a staff on my warrior for this build to work. LOL! [[User:DarkSpirit|DarkSpirit]] 20:32, 12 November 2008 (EST)
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[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Curses=9 DeathMagic=12+1+3 Soulreaping=9+1 Restoration=3][Discord][Enfeeble][Parasitic Bond]["You Move Like a Dwarf][Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support][Necrosis][Signet of Lost Souls][FomF][/build]
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== cleanup ==
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[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Curses=4 DeathMagic=12+1+3 Soulreaping=8+1 Restoration=9][Discord][animate bone minions][Blood of the master][enfeeble][mend body and soul][spirit light][Signet of Lost Souls][FomF][/build]
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done some but not sure about the enite optionals section for the caller, pretty much every single skill in game can be chucked in there so is there any point having that section? --[[User:204.8.156.142|204.8.156.142]] 07:31, 16 November 2008 (EST)
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[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Curses=4 DeathMagic=12+1+3 Soulreaping=8+1 Restoration=9][Discord][animate bone minions][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][Splinter Weapon][spirit light][Signet of Lost Souls][FomF][/build]
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== paragon = warrior's nrg? ==
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[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Soulreaping=12+1+1 Restoration=12][Xinraes Weapon][mend body and soul][spirit light][weapon of warding][Life][protective was kaolai][Signet of Lost Souls][FomF][/build]
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u don't say anything about warrior being bad to go with the build, but you say that paragons isn't recomended? they have same nrg (max and reg). plus, a paragon can take some shouts/shants to help the nrg a little, but a warrior... well i don't really know but i think that paragon would be more to recomend then warrior. but thats maby just me :P
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wich has gotten my Necromancer Legendary Guardian, working on Legendary Vanquisher(almost done) and has gotten almost EotN done NM/HM/VQing
   
if it's "you move like a dwarf" thats the nrg prob why not take "your all weaklings"? no dmg but it's a condition. now you don't going to tell me that my brother can't use this build with his para, "mister person who is going to coment me" ;)--[[User:80.73.58.222|80.73.58.222]] 12:55, 22 November 2008 (EST)
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when theres an area with low corpses, i bring extra Hex/Conditions for pressure, also Assassin henchies make great condition spiker's(if theres aint 2 take 1+war henchie, if there aint any take 2 warriors henchies) and Mesmer henchies make great extra hex pressure(if no Hex mesmer henchies, take ele henchie), +healer henchie for extra heal support.
:Wow. [[User:Kabu To|Kabu To]] 16:59, 22 November 2008 (EST)
 
   
==11-10-8-8==
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:The Assassin's Promise build is only a general build which can be used by almost any profession, and not a necessary part of the team when you could run something else (like you are). --[[User:Frosty|<b><font color="Black">Frosty</font></b>]] [[Image:Frostcharge.jpg|19px]] 08:58, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
is not possible. I generally like the changes, but that needs to be fixed. 10-10-8-8? Also paragon does work. TNtF as the 3rd optional, furious spear and either energizing chorus or GftE as E-management. --[[User:Thc|Thc]] 12:08, 26 November 2008 (EST)
 
   
== Optionals ==
 
   
Optional section for caller needs to be removed. People fit all sort of shit in the 5 optional slots availible. No you dont need assassin or sniper supports. --[[User:Anonimous.|Anonimous.]] 10:08, 29 November 2008 (EST)
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oh ok...im a little confused what i'm doing on here, so my apologies
:I've tried both with and without Assassin Support, and it makes a whole lotta difference. First off, it's a decent damage spike, often dealing ~80 damage even in HM. Second, it knock-locks the enemy--I've caught mesmers in HM mid-casting Cry of Frustration by chaining "You Move Like a Dwarf!" with Assassin Support. Third, it's an expendable ally--in HM, all the nukes are gonna come down as soon as someone's in the aggro bubble. If the assassin takes the heat, you have an expendable corpse, AND the assasin's taken hundreds of damage instead of a team member as all spikes concentrate on him. And finally, he body-blocks a bit, which can give you the few seconds which make the difference between life and death in HM. All in all, Assassin Support feels like the best choice all-around for the fourth slot. [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 14:57, 6 January 2009 (EST)
 
   
== Problem with D-way. ==
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== Who says Discordway is for casters? ==
   
Two/Three skills on each bar, every thing else is sandbox. THERE IS NO GENERIC BUILD! --[[User:Anonimous.|Anonimous.]] 18:44, 3 December 2008 (EST)
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Ranger works great with Discordway better than any other class. Use poison arrow, because of no recharge time. Use Cripshot/Burning arrow/ Incendiary arrow for non-fleshy targets. You only need a hex or a condition to make discordway work. For warriors, Deep wounds. For Dervish, Wounding strike. You don't need Assassin promise for this.
:These bars are really not that good. [[User:71.175.59.85|71.175.59.85]] 14:08, 20 December 2008 (EST)
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:"''If target foe is suffering from a condition'' '''and''' ''under the effects of a hex or enchantment''" <-- Has to be both. [[User:LessQQmorePewPew | <span style="color:green;">''LessQQmorePewPew''</span> ]] 23:23, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
   
== Varient ==
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:The promise template is an universally efficient way to apply both Deep Wound, which owns with spiking, and the required hex, which provides energy and recharge for your instant deep wound! I don't think many other builds can do much better than that. --''[[User talk:Chaos|<font color="black">Chaos]]</font>'' -- 23:24, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
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::I use this build with my ranger scythe. Asuran scan for hex, WS for condition and pew pew. Only run 2 discorders though, got xandra as SoS buffbitch.[[User:Masterbow|Masterbow]] 10:20, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
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::^ precisely, there are better builds for phys than discordway. - [[User:Athrun Feya|<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Athrun</font>]][[User talk:Athrun Feya|<font size="3" face="vivaldi" color="Steelblue">Feya</font>]] - 12:13, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:I just run the AP YMLAD (EVAS) template on my warrior, works perfectly fine.
   
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== A different approach.. ==
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Discord|Protective Was Kaolai|Weapon of Warding|Mend Body and Soul|Spirit Light|Signet of Lost Souls|Life|Flesh of My Flesh}}
 
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Discord|Spirit Light|Mend Body and Soul|Pure Was Li Ming|Signet of Lost Souls|Enfeebling Blood|Shadow of Fear|Flesh of My Flesh}}
 
{{scalable skill bar|35px|Discord|Animate Bone Minions|Death Nova|Signet of Lost Souls|Protective Spirit|Convert Hexes|Shield of Absorption|Optional}}
 
Haven't tried it yet but idk [[User:My Roflrockets Go Pewpew|<font color=green>Shazam's My Ho</font color=green>]] ([[User_talk:My Roflrockets Go Pewpew|<font color=pink>Cuz I'm Roflrockets</font color=pink>]])[[Image:RoflsCool.png|19px]] 22:18, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 
   
== another variant for player ==
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I have recently gotten into a discussion with a friend, about Discordway, one of the things I have learned to do with characters who have not yet unlocked all three necro's is to use.. Xandra, Ogden, and A necro. If you second class the Rit, and Monk with necros, you can easily make up for the lack of the other two necros.
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Has anyone else done this/thought of this.. Could it not be mentioned on the main page? Maybe under alternatives?
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''Storm''
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:Yes. Dosen't work as well but it still works amazing.--[[User:Xtreme1ne|<font color="#b22222"><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;">'''X'''</span></font>]] 11:00, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
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::Discord on war heros, gogogo! [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 11:03, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Well not that--[[User:Xtreme1ne|<font color="#b22222"><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;">'''X'''</span></font>]] 11:35, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
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::::I will say the main build works great for any castor. The rest does better on all three necros, than on like say a monk or ritualist. [[File:User Ariyen sig icon.gif]]riyen 06:58, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
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Well of course it works better on all three necros, but I was mentioning the idea of atleast suggesting the Rit/mo/necro for people who might not have access to all three. For example, a prophecies character who only has prophecies, eotn, and Factions could get discord via cap, and be able to use Xandra, Ogden, and Livia as their heros and have an effective discordway team. It wouldn't be as good, but it would still be quite effective.
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:-)
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'''''Storm'''''
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== Ritualist Player Variant ==
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Anyone know a possible ritualist variant for the player? --[[Image:Ritualist-icon-small.png]][[User:Maxdog999|<font color="green">'''Maxdog999'''</font>]][[Image:Ritualist-icon-small.png]] 04:39, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
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:Probably something like:
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{{mini skill bar|Signet of Spirits|Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support|"You Move Like a Dwarf!"|"Finish Him!"|Ancestor's Rage|Splinter Weapon|Spirit Siphon|optional}}
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:-- [[User:Drahgal Meir|<font color="DarkOrange">Drah</font>]] [[User talk:Drahgal Meir|'''<font color="DarkOrange" size="1">04:56, 28 February 2010 (UTC)</font>''']]
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::But there is no hex and nothing for recharge.--[[Image:Ritualist-icon-small.png]][[User:Maxdog999|<font color="green">'''Maxdog999'''</font>]][[Image:Ritualist-icon-small.png]] 05:18, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Yes. I know one.
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{{mini skill bar|Assassin's Promise}}
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:::--''[[User talk:Chaos|<font color="black">Chaos?]]</font>'' -- 10:47, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
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{{mini skill bar|Assassin's Promise|"You Move Like a Dwarf!"|Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support|"Finish Him!"|Splinter Weapon|Ancestor's Rage}} --[[User:Brandnew|Brandnew ]] 10:51, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
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Describe the build.
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== Assassin Pet Player Variant ==
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A nice Player Variant for Assassin which uses a pet to put out some extra damage + extra energy support.
   
 
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[build prof=any/a deadly=12 dagger=12][assassin's promise][shadow fang]["you move like a dwarf!"][falling lotus strike][death blossom]["i am the strongest!"][Optional][resurrection signet][/build]
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[build prof=a/r Deadly=12+1+1 Beast=12][Assassin's Promise]["You Move Like A Dwarf"][Scavenger Strike][optional]["Finish Him"][Call Of Haste][optional][Comfort Animal][/build]
 
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this build kills faster than the the one on main page and is nrg friendly for all proffesions expect war and para.
 
4got to sign above.--[[User:IM BLUE!|<font color="Blue">'''Da Blue User'''</font>]] [[User talk:IM BLUE!|<font color="Blue">'''Is'''</font>]] [[User:IM BLUE!|<font color="Blue">'''Blue'''</font>]] [[User talk:IM BLUE!|<font color="Blue">'''is looking for TA/HA guild'''</font>]] 16:39, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 
:not as universal [[Image:Tai_sig_Image_78.png]] '''<small style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Tai|<font face="verdana" color="black" variant="small caps">16:47, 2 January 2009</font>]]</small>'''
 
::how so? it needs no crit strikes for nrg which makes the build doable for every proffesion, exepct war and para ofc b/c of there nrg regen.--[[User:IM BLUE!|<font color="Blue">'''Da Blue User'''</font>]] [[User talk:IM BLUE!|<font color="Blue">'''Is'''</font>]] [[User:IM BLUE!|<font color="Blue">'''Blue'''</font>]] [[User talk:IM BLUE!|<font color="Blue">'''is looking for TA/HA guild'''</font>]] 17:01, 2 January 2009 (EST)
 
:::Going into melee range with a flimsy caster in HM makes me kinda go "ugh". Better off staying at range and letting the minions take the aggro IMO. [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 14:53, 6 January 2009 (EST)
 
   
::By "kills faster" do you mean not at all? EVAS alone replaces half your bar AND is unblockable + knocklock. Also, the above bar assumes exceedingly slow kills. --[[User:Thc|<font color="Blue"><i>User:</i></font><font color="Green"><b><i>Thc</i></b></font>]] 15:02, 6 January 2009 (EST)
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'''Optional 4:'''
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*{{skill icon|Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support}}
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*{{skill icon|Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support}}
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*{{skill icon|Pain Inverter}}
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*{{skill icon|"You Are All Weaklings!"}}
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== Meekness > Shadow of Fear ==
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'''Optional 7:'''
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*{{skill icon|Call of Protection}}
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*{{skill icon|Symbiotic Bond}}
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*{{skill icon|Dash}}
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*{{skill icon|Resurrection Signet}}
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Sure it has high energy cost and 17% sacrifice but it is "all foes in the area", with this amount of minnions and Soul Reaping the Necromancer will be sure to have enough energy. And this teambuild should be able to outheal the 17% sacrifice easily on its own. [[User:62.45.134.148|62.45.134.148]] 05:25, 5 February 2009 (EST)
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'''Usage:'''
:To be honest the only reasons i choose shadow of fear over meekness is because i usually ball enemies into groups where possible to kill a bit easier and faster plus it is cheaper in energy cost and a tad more spammable in areas with hex removal ;) [[User:T1Cybernetic|T1Cybernetic]] 06:39, 5 February 2009 (EST)
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Maintain Call of Haste.
Why should you worry about 5 more energy? It is a 3 necro build with a MM in it, duh. Meekness is better because it has a wider area which means no fear of hex removal. [[User:DarkSpirit|DarkSpirit]] 11:33, 17 February 2009 (EST)
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Use 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 4 -> 5 on foes...
   
== necro caller ==
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'''Counters:'''
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Your pet doesn't want to aggro foes or isn't in the mood to attack.
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:[[User:Konschu|Konschu]] 14:42, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
   
if taking discord...do you just replace assassins promise? and take some aoe hex/conditions in optional slots? [[User:Illoyon|Illoyon]] 20:42, 5 February 2009 (EST)
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== Warrior Variant ==
:No, you take assassin's promise. It's very rare that AP is not your best option, even against hex removal or healers. If you really, really don't want to take AP take necrosis and don't waste attribute points. --[[User:Thc|<font color="Blue"><i>User:</i></font><font color="Green"><b><i>Thc</i></b></font>]] 21:14, 5 February 2009 (EST)
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This works anywhere, by applying an universal condition, and a hex. My hero builds are quite a bit different, I'll list them just for kicks, see what you think.
   
== Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support ==
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<pvxbig>
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[build prof=w/* Strength=12+1+1 Axe=12]["You Move Like A Dwarf"][Brawling Headbutt][Pain Inverter][Dismember][Executioner's Strike][Lacerating Chop][Enraging Charge][Warrior's Endurance][/build]
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</pvxbig>
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I use a furious axe of fortitude with 15^50 and a strength shield (duh). Lots of KD and armor-ignoring damage, plus WE's energy management makes this a great build for HM (or NM) PVE, and especially vanquishing.
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===Discord Resto/MM===
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<pvxbig>
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[build prof=N/Rt name="Discord Resto" death=10+2+1 sou=8+1 res=12][Discord][Animate Bone Minions][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Masochism][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]
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</pvxbig>
   
i read this could be used as a tank...but the enemys just ignore it...so what i am doing wrong? [[User:Illoyon|Illoyon]] 08:33, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 
:the enemies aren't going to suddenly change target if the aggro is already on you. if you start the battle by casting one then back off and let the enemies surround it..? .. and watch it get raped. tbh I think it's just someone theorycrafting, but I could be wrong. --'''[[User:Chaos Messenger|<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC; color: darkgreen">-Ch</span>]][[User talk:Chaos Messenger|<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC; color: darkgray">ao</span><span style="font-family: Matisse ITC; color: darkgreen">s-</span>]] ''' 09:33, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 
::I've seen it work, although it dies in like 1 second literally. Just enough time for the minions to march in and take aggro. Tbh, it's only really useful against heavy AoE. --[[User:Thc|<font color="Blue"><i>User:</i></font><font color="Green"><b><i>Thc</i></b></font>]] 14:15, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::Those sins still soak aggro rather well it doesnt mean that everything would rush to attack them though. --[[User:Anonimous.|Anonimous.]] D: 14:24, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::If you cast it on the closest target, then yes, everything will attack it, since nothing else is in range. But it dies in literally 1 sec or less, so the usefulness is questionable --[[User:Thc|<font color="Blue"><i>User:</i></font><font color="Green"><b><i>Thc</i></b></font>]] 16:15, 9 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::It makes foes waste skills on useless targets. --'''[[User:Chaos Messenger|<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC; color: darkgreen">-Ch</span>]][[User talk:Chaos Messenger|<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC; color: darkgray">ao</span><span style="font-family: Matisse ITC; color: darkgreen">s-</span>]] ''' 07:34, 10 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::That's true, I guess. --[[User:Thc|<font color="Blue"><i>User:</i></font><font color="Green"><b><i>Thc</i></b></font>]] 00:55, 12 February 2009 (EST)
 
   
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Resto staff or wand/offhand set. Survivor/vitae and a bloodstained. I disable Flesh of My Flesh and use it if needed. I'd rather have the curser use rebirth than my healer sacrifice half his hp, esp being a necro with soul reaping.
   
::::::Thc, lets assume that your ebon vanguard rank is 8 or above it is not hard to achieve when youre going for discord anyway. --[[User:Anonimous.|Anonimous.]] D: 07:54, 10 February 2009 (EST)
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===Discord Curser===
:::::::Okay, done. Now say something useful? --[[User:Thc|<font color="Blue"><i>User:</i></font><font color="Green"><b><i>Thc</i></b></font>]] 00:55, 12 February 2009 (EST)
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<pvxbig>
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[build prof=N/Mo name="Discord Curser" death=12+2+1 sou=7+1 cur=9 hea=5 pro=4][Discord][Putrid Bile][Enfeebling Blood][Weaken Armor][Shadow of Fear][Masochism][Dwayna's Sorrow][Rebirth][/build]
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</pvxbig>
   
   
== Mark of Death ==
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Death/curses staff or set. Survivor/vitae. I use rebirth because Death Pact Sig fails, imo. AoE curse and 2 AoE conditions.
Useful when taking on things in healer infested areas like Eastern Frontier and can be used as a cover hex for AP. Add it to variants?--[[User:68.32.187.152|68.32.187.152]] 17:09, 14 February 2009 (EST)
 
   
== Broken Template ==
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===Discord Prot/MM===
It seems that the Curse Resto template is broken. At least for me, can someone check/replace it with a good one?
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<pvxbig>
:not broken for me. here's the code for you: OAhkUoG4BGqTMzOgI2dDTpJ1+iB [[User:Fox007|<b><font color="Orange">Fox007</font></b>]] [[Image:User Fox007 sig.png|User:Fox007]] 08:46, 15 February 2009 (EST)
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[build prof=N/Mo name="Discord Prot" death=12+3+1 sou=8+1 pro=10][Discord][Putrid Bile][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Convert Hexes][Masochism][/build]
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</pvxbig>
   
==revert war==
 
just variant them both. in my personal opinion, enduring toxin sucks for mainbar, but I'll ''post here'' before I revert more... --'''[[User:Chaos Messenger|<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC; color: darkgreen">-Ch</span>]][[User talk:Chaos Messenger|<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC; color: darkgray">ao</span><span style="font-family: Matisse ITC; color: darkgreen">s-</span>]] ''' 10:03, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
:Well, I agree with IP's thinking on Enduring Toxin actually. --[[User:Anonimous.|Anonimous.]] D: 10:07, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
   
== stop being so fucking retarded ==
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Death staff or set. Survivor/vitae and a bloodstained. <br>
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[[User:Wombatt|Wombatt]] 16:51, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
   
stop being that you just defend a position like retards, I made the last version of this discord now Im updating it for a newer one because its way better. Researching into discordway I have discovered that having another copy of bile and bone minions is redundant and two mms kept interfering with each other so it bad, new version has better defense, it has wow 12 resto and such also double shamblings for extremely fast exploiting which it was originally intended for. Enduring Toxin is fantastic against high hp mobs that might not get killed as fast and mark of death is godly with dw and has recieved positive feedback for everyone who used it so stfu and stop reverting.
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==New Nec Build?==
:You also defend a position like a retard, and you also revert. {{User:Lyssan55/Signature2.js}} 10:11, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
:Thats how pvx works, nobody would care about evaluating edits by any unfamiliar user/IP I had same problems before. --[[User:Anonimous.|Anonimous.]] D: 10:15, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
::How is enduring toxin mainbar? Barbs and MoP are both far superior against healers. ET is only decent if you have no other options... so it should be in optional, at best. -THC
 
:::Because people are being retarded. It's like "yay, degen!" in a team relying on strong damage spam. --'''[[User:Chaos Messenger|<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC; color: darkgreen">-Ch</span>]][[User talk:Chaos Messenger|<span style="font-family: Matisse ITC; color: darkgray">ao</span><span style="font-family: Matisse ITC; color: darkgreen">s-</span>]] ''' 14:38, 15 February 2009 (EST)
 
   
== Stop trolling with enduring toxin ==
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Something along the lines:
It is 4 degen. It is not good. Stop --[[User:Thc|<font color="Blue"><i>User:</i></font><font color="Green"><b><i>Thc</i></b></font>]] 12:19, 18 February 2009 (EST)
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{{Mini skill bar |discord|Barbed Signet|Parasitic Bond}}
:lol, think it's for the degen? --<small>&mdash;''The preceding trolling attempt was made by'' [[User:Chaos Messenger|Chaos]] ([[User talk:Chaos Messenger|talk]]) .</small> 12:33, 18 February 2009 (EST)
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Thoughts? [[User:Lloyd|Lloyd]] 12:32, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
::<s>Leave it optional. Chaos, you don't need a cover hex because you don't cast AP until the enemy is right at 1/2 health, and then you use Finish Him and it's over. Cover hexes are fucking retarded on this build. If some people are too stupid to figure out when to use AP, then leave it in the variants, but imo it's a pointless addition. </s>[[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] ([[User talk:Karate Jesus|→]]<font face="Arial" color="gray">12:38, 18 February 2009 -</font> )
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:Yes use mini skill bar, honestly (almost) any skills that give condition and hex will rock---[[User talk:Xtreme1ne|<font color="#0000ff"><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;">'''X'''</span></font>]]<font color="#696969"><small>TREME</small></font> 10:05, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
:::When I run this my heroes use different bars, so what I said above is invalid. Although, I still think it should be left optional. [[Image:Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig.png]] ([[User talk:Karate Jesus|]]<font face="Arial" color="gray">13:00, 18 February 2009 -</font> )
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::Yeah I know, but surely the more Discord the better, and the new Barbed Signet is just too good! [[User:Lloyd|Lloyd]] 16:08, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
::::Is what I did, but Anon RV1'd it. --<small>&mdash;''The preceding trolling attempt was made by'' [[User:Chaos Messenger|Chaos]] ([[User talk:Chaos Messenger|talk]]) .</small> 13:02, 18 February 2009 (EST)
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:::Eh. For spikes, you should be applying the condition via ymlad; for aoe pressure, enfeebling blood, death nova, and jagged horrors are more than enough (until you run into mobs with 2394203xRC). -- [[User:Armond|Armond]] <small>{&#123;[[User talk:Armond|Bacon]]}}</small> 03:19, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
::No I don't think it's for degen. It's a cover hex, but there are obv better cover hexes available, such as barbs/MoP if you're a necro. Thus, optional--[[User:Thc|<font color="Blue"><i>User:</i></font><font color="Green"><b><i>Thc</i></b></font>]] 18:20, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::I personally dont perfer enduring toxin, but a 1/4 cast hex, with a quick recharge is always nice. --[[User:Drahgal Meir|<font color="black"><b>Dr</b></font>]][[User talk:Drahgal Meir|<font color="black"><b>ah</b></font>]] [[Image:Drah-Sig1.jpg‎|19px]] 18:47, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::Thats same reason I liked that idea. Maybe it should be kept optional because Mesmers posess better options for same purpose.
 
::::@Thc:
 
::::If you realise that ET is not for degen why are you suggesting MoP/Barbs for ''cover'' hexes? --[[User:Anonimous.|Anonimous.]] D: 19:11, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::becase those are some useful skills? --<small>&mdash;''The preceding trolling attempt was made by'' [[User:Chaos Messenger|Chaos]] ([[User talk:Chaos Messenger|talk]]) .</small> 05:50, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::MoP/Barbs are useless as cover hexes, long casting time. --[[User:Anonimous.|Anonimous.]] D: 05:51, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::::Any cover hex that casts in one second or less is alright. --<small>&mdash;''The preceding trolling attempt was made by'' [[User:Chaos Messenger|Chaos]] ([[User talk:Chaos Messenger|talk]]) .</small> 06:30, 19 February 2009 (EST)
 
::::::::PI is a half decent cover hex >.> And somewhat useful. [[Image:Goodnight_la_sig_2.png‎]] 00:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 
   
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== This allowed? ==
   
:@Anon
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Can I remove ratings I don't like? I mean, other builds are doing it.
:You're right, barbs is not a cover hex, but I meant it's a hex that prevents AP from being removed (e.g., you cast barbs first). ET is not a good hex and definitely not main bar material. Here's why:
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::1) Has an irrelevant effect and has no guarantee of lasting more than 5 seconds.
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Hell, I just got one of my ratings removed on Discordway because I didn't give it all 5's.
::2) Hex removal is not enough vs. smart play.
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::2) The only time a cover hex is needed is vs. multiple healers. In the case of multiple healers, you want more damage. Barbs provides the equivalent of something 40+ degen. For damage purposes, the choice is clear.
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Can a Moderator please clarify this issue?
::3) Vs. a single healer with hex removal, hex removal is irrelevant. You simply knocklock it and kill it.
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::4) Vs. high HP opponents, AP becomes less important than DPS. Barbs lets you DPS, speeding along play. --[[Special:Contributions/75.95.212.184|75.95.212.184]] 04:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks.--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|Arrogant Bastard]] 01:24, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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:Yea, i'll get right on that.--[[User Talk:Ikimono1|<font color ="Blue">Ikimono</font><small><font color ="Brown">...And my Axe!</font></small>]][[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 01:28, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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Arrogant Bastard: Discordway
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Rated 3
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"Works in most areas, but that's not saying much.
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If you are looking for a build that is a jack of all trades, a master of none, and works for all professions, this is your build.
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If you want an optimized build, this is the wrong one."
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Reason: pretty optimised for caster professions...
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Removed by: Athrun Feya
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Well I guess Discordway is optimized for casters, except if you compare it to spiritway, or maybe actually create synergy between your heroes and you profession. I could be wrong, but may as well just remove my rating for good measure since I disagree with a mod. It's better for everyone to have the same opinion and to discourage new ideas.--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|Arrogant Bastard]] 01:39, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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:Discordway is significantly better than trash(basically what a 3-3 means). It's also more effective than spiritway in areas that aren't really that difficult. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 01:44, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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::I consider Spirtway a pretty good general build that works on most professions. If Discordway only preforms better in easy areas, I think that says something about how effective it is (i.e. triple SF Ele heroes will steamroll NM faster than most other hero teams).--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|Arrogant Bastard]] 02:25, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Not really saying easy areas. I'm saying just about everything but a handful of dungeons. For most vanqs and missions, discord is pretty hard to beat(from a h/h standpoint, on a caster). <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 02:27, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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::::Discord is suboptimal because it terrible on about half of the professions (aka physicals). A Warrior running discordway is worthy of a 0 rating if you compare it to other builds. On casters, its not as bad, but still mediocre.
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::::Monks can probably use it the best since they don't have that many damage options; Eles have a similar problem in HM.
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::::Mesmers are also in a similar situation but they have some better options to abuse Fevered Dreams.
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::::Rits...they can abuse Spiritway the best IMO.
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::::Necros probably have the most versatility in hero builds for casters. AoE potential makes Discord look terrible.
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::::So a general build that works '''decently''' on only 2-3 out of 10 professions can't be rated a 3?--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|Arrogant Bastard]] 02:49, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::do you have downs?--[[User:TahiriVeila|TahiriVeila]] 02:58, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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::::::So personal attacks now? No actual rebuttal? Should I be sorry for insulting your Sacred Cow?--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|Arrogant Bastard]] 03:11, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::::I lol'd at 3-3-0 on Discord. --[[User:Myotheraccount|<font color="pink">Iggy]] 's other account</font> 10:24, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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::::::::3-3-0 means trash. Discordway is not trash. If you don't agree with PvX standards just get over it because they aren't gonna change. [[User:Necromas|Necromas]] 14:48, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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::Discordway is the best build ever.....EVER---[[User talk:Xtreme1ne|<font color="#0000ff"><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;">'''X'''</span></font>]]<font color="#696969"><small>TREME</small></font> 11:38, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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It's a good thing votes for Discordway are manipulated. It is humorous to see melee's running this.--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|Arrogant Bastard]] 14:26, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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:{{mini skill bar|Jagged Strike|Asuran Scan}}
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:{{mini skill bar|Wounding Strike|Faithful Intervention|Asuran Scan}}
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:{{mini skill bar|Warrior's Endurance|Dismember|Asuran Scan}}
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: Gtfo [[User:Vincent E V A N|<font color="brown" size="2px">Vincent Evan</font>]] [[User talk:Vincent E V A N|<font color="brown" size="2px">[Air Henchman]</font>]] [[Image:vincels.jpg|19px]] 14:29, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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: He has autism, go easy on him.--[[User Talk:Ikimono1|<font color ="Blue">Ikimono</font><small><font color ="Brown">...And my Axe!</font></small>]][[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 14:33, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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:::How do those bad builds compare to heroes that buff melee? I'll save you the time, discordway looks embarrassing in comparison.--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|Arrogant Bastard]] 14:51, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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:::: Disco is easy, and needs almost no tweaking for anything, has enough survivability and spike damage+minions...heroes are retarded, and can do this, cos it requires no thought. Its almost always NOT the best or fastest for any given area, but its easy and rolls thru stuff with no thought and very little effort. It does what it does well, and that autopilot sleepy play. not trash but not epic. Also the version here is way to heavy on defence imo but o well. [[User:Jayson Rayne|&gt;&gt;Jayson&lt;&lt;&lt;]] 15:47, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::Lol. Discord really does suck with melees. You either get meh spikes or give your necs melee buffs and lose focus of the build because your heroes will either spam melee buffs like mad or Discord. In the end you will get nothing done well. <: But, it's no reason to 3-3-0 this build. Even with a physical it will remain very effective. Although in all honesty Discord is cosiderably worse than Spiritwayftwuberbbqpwnagemachineofdoom. :3 --[[User:Myotheraccount|<font color="HotPink">Iggy]] 's other account</font> 19:53, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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::::::discord doesn't suck on melee and please don't bring orders on one of the necros.--[[User:Relyk|<font color="darkblue">'''Relyk'''</font>]] [[User talk:Relyk|<font color="blue"><sub>talk</sub></font>]] 00:23, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::::Lol. Compared to when you play it with AP caller it does. Orders was just an example of a melee buff which you normally run with a physical. --[[User:Myotheraccount|<font color="HotPink">Iggy]] 's other account</font> 19:30, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
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::::::::The people's vote who state "Wins PvE" or "very effective" without giving a proper reason should really be dealt with. You can't pick and choose who's vote to remove or not, depending on your mood and how you feel about the build yourself. Stay partial. [[User:Excluded|<b><font color="green">Minion</font></b>]][[File:Splinter Weapon.jpg|19px]][[User Talk:Excluded|<font color="black">Excluded</font>]] 16:05, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::::::Acutually, there's a reason behind that. Look at the dates things were posted: we've decided to get strict about voting in the last few months but couldnt be bothered to make it retroactive or half the builds would be back in testing (and stay there, most likely). [[Special:Contributions/129.67.119.240|129.67.119.240]] 16:08, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
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== *cough* ==
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Just a reminder that build talk pages are for discussing the build, not trolling the shit out of each other. Ikimono & Tahiri you both know that you could have explained the merits of the build (or even just linked to them) rather than trolling. And that goes for everyone else here too. [[User:Karate Jesus|<font color="Black" face="cambria">'''Karate'''</font>]] [[File:KJ for sig.png]] [[User_talk:Karate Jesus|<font color="Black" face="cambria">'''Jesus'''</font>]] <font face="Arial" color="gray" size="1">19:34, 20 April 2010 </font>
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==Split==
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I was kinda thinking about splitting this into a high energy discord(eg, sin, necro, ele, mesmer) and a low energy discord for classes who can't manage the discord caller well enough. Any thoughts? Probably going to put it on the same page, but could always start a new one. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 17:54, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
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:Sounds good to me. Although, the low profs would probably be better off taking another heroway no? [[User:Spaggage|Spaggage]] [[User talk:Spaggage|'''''<small>talk</small>''''']] 18:05, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
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::One variant for each physical? Four minibars for Derv, Para, War, and Assassin. Possibly ranger.[[User:Excluded|<b><font color="green">Minion</font></b>]][[File:Splinter Weapon.jpg|19px]][[User Talk:Excluded|<font color="black">Excluded</font>]] 18:20, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Was actually thinking about changing the hero bars and putting up one minibar with asuran scan on it. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 18:37, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
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::::[[Guide:Discordway]]. hf life - [[User:Athrun Feya|<font color="SteelBlue">''Athrun''</font>]][[User talk:Athrun Feya|<font color="Black">'''''Feya'''''</font>]] [[Image:Lau_bfly.gif]] - 19:13, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::Wait, wat. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 20:59, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::in that case just make an article / guiide with which builds to use for (insert professions here) and which bars to use for (insert the rest here) and link it to the main buildpage articles.[[image:Unreal_sig_1.png‎ ]][[Image:Cute mc puppies.jpg|19px]] 19:58, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
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==Signet of Toxic Shock==
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this skill pumps out very high armor ignoring dmg for no energy and only one condition. if a hero were to take fetid ground (for a more sustainable source of poison than minions blowing up), the kd's from this chain will enable the hero to use the skill often and power up SoTS. its just a thought n can b used for one of the optionals, even if fetid ground isnt taken... 19:55, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
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== "8 Soul Reaping on the Curses Resto?" ==
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Am I missing something but why has the Curses Resto got 7+1 Soul Reaping attrib points - and no SR skills on the bar? Is it for a variant that was removed? User:[[greatkev]] 8:23, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
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:SR is used for energy management in PvE. [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 08:30, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
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== ghostmirror light ==
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why take that over spirit light?
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:Because it eats pressure and because you got Masochism on the bar already so it offsets the sac nicely. --[[User:Myotheraccount|<font color="HotPink">Iggy]] 's other account</font> 09:26, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
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::Drop Maso and bring Spirt light, no need for it &#8212;<span style="font-family: Impact;">[[User:F0RG1V3 & F0RG3T|<font color="black">Forget</font>]] [[File:Bible.gif|25px]]</span> 19:26, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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:::No u. --[[User:Myotheraccount|<font color="HotPink">Iggy]] 's other account</font> 19:29, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
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== why this is in "good"? ==
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and spirit light>ghostmirror light.[[User:Illoyon|Illoyon]] 23:49, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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:4.75 is required. [[PvX:VETTING]]. Also, no. -- [[User:Armond|Armond Warblade]][[Image:Armond sig image.png]]<small><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/Armond|Bacon]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></small> 23:59, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
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:: I believe the 2 outlier 3.2 votes should be removed. Look at their reasons "reasonable speed" is actually very fast, "too much defense" obviously isn't true if it kills stuff so quickly, and it's made for hardmode so defense is necessary. I don't really care for Discordway personally but even I can see that if it's used by so many people and in PvEMeta then it must be great-working. [[User:Rikk Panda|<font color="Orange" size="2px">Rikk Panda</font>]] [[User talk:Rikk Panda|<font color="red" size="2px">{a.k.a. Benny Lava}</font>]] [[Image:They're_On_Fire_Panda.jpg|19px]] 03:14, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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::: Post to adminboard? [[Image:Zyke-Sig.png]] 03:50, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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:::: Ask for it or suck it up. The fact is through ratings: this went to good. [[User:Shadow Form Slayer|<b><font color="Blue">Shadow Form Slayer</font></b>]] [[Image:Shadow_Form~_Slayer.jpg|20px]] 05:47, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::42 votes and it's in Good. That must be quite accurate, don't you think?[[User:Excluded|<b><font color="green">Minion</font></b>]][[File:Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg|19px]][[Special:Contributions/Excluded|<font color="black">Excluded</font>]] 06:55, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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::::::Not really, considering there are only about 4 votes that are actually dropping it down. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 07:09, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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Meh, the problem about builds such as Discordway or Sabway is that some people consider them lame, or either insist that is easier and funnier to do vanquishes or HM missions and stuff with a more balanced group... Well, they're quite right, but that doesn't mean that Sab or Discordway aren't very good at all. They just give bad ratings to make the builds look worse than they are. If someone has used Sab or Discord and failed in any vanquish or HM coop it's just because they fail @ playing or either they fail at balancing the rest of the group with the correct henchies. I prefer using a balanced group myself but this is just perfect for HM too, so don't pay attention to wiki's ratings, if you see a build, try it out and decide yourself --[[User:Lhoj|Lhoj]] 07:24, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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::Except something like Spiritway makes Discordway look like shit. And if you run Discord on any melees or a Rit, you are gimping yourself pretty bad...although its always funny to see a War and Rit use AP spiking builds.
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::If you honestly think Discordway is fast or has just enough defense (it has too much), then you probably have never used a melee (or Spiritway for casters).--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|<b><font color="Red">Arrogant</font></b>]][[File:Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg|19px]][[User_talk:Arrogant_Bastard|<b><font color="black">Bastard</font></b>]] 08:02, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Thing is, you rate a build on how well it works. Not on how well it works in comparison to other builds. Otherwise we'd just have 1 build per proffession. --[[User:Brandnew|Brandnew ]] 08:09, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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::::[[PvX:VETTING]] disagrees with you. It says builds that serve the same purpose can be compared. Also, common fucking sense (how do you test the effectivity of a build without comparing it to other builds?).--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|<b><font color="Red">Arrogant</font></b>]][[File:Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg|19px]][[User_talk:Arrogant_Bastard|<b><font color="black">Bastard</font></b>]] 08:14, June 16, 2010 (UTC)~
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:::::wait a fucking second, we have policies around here? [[User:Brandnew|Brandnew ]] 08:20, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Actually, depending on the area, discord beats the shit out of spiritway. In more difficult areas, spiritway ofc wins, but in general, discord is usually quicker than spiritway. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 08:19, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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::::I got equal vanquish times using Spiritway and Discordway in Morostrav Vail. So it doesn't really seem to be faster, if the player is half-decent. [[User:Excluded|<b><font color="green">Minion</font></b>]][[File:Minion_sig_k_bish.jpg|19px]][[Special:Contributions/Excluded|<font color="black">Excluded</font>]] 08:53, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::Quit it guys. All these things are scrapped. Bad votes got scrapped, this build is great again. Stop whining and go post something else. [[User:Shadow Form Slayer|<b><font color="Blue">Shadow Form Slayer</font></b>]] [[Image:Shadow_Form~_Slayer.jpg|20px]] 17:36, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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::::::The votes got scrapped a couple of hours ago because this discussion took place. No need to be harsh about it, especially since it's resolved now. [[User:Tru|Tru]]<small>...[[User_talk:Tru|hardly]] [[Special:Contributions/Da_Tru_Legend|working]]</small> 17:38, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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If this hero build was specific for Eles, Monks, and Mesmers, it wouldn't be so bad. But as a hero team for all professions it's pretty terrible. Compare it to what a 100b Warrior + melee buffing heroes can do. And maybe before spirits were buffed a while ago Discordway was the only option for a general hero team, but now its dethroned (and has been for a while). There is really no reason to run Discordway unless you are too lazy to unlock the Rit heroes.--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|<b><font color="Red">Arrogant</font></b>]][[File:Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg|19px]][[User_talk:Arrogant_Bastard|<b><font color="black">Bastard</font></b>]] 18:19, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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:Sigh, i guess i can divide the build into best for each profession grouping, but it's still largely subjective on what the optimal build is. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 18:22, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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::But you can't say its a good thing that there are Warriors using Discord. While there is some subjectivity, game mechanics and trial and error have generally demonstrated what works and what doesn't. For example, it is well known that a 100B Warrior + hero buffs is the fastest and most efficient h/h team for almost all areas.--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|<b><font color="Red">Arrogant</font></b>]][[File:Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg|19px]][[User_talk:Arrogant_Bastard|<b><font color="black">Bastard</font></b>]] 18:31, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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:::I mean subjectivity within the discord build. Tbh, 100b war+hero buffs is only extremely effective in areas that are actually difficult. Difficult and have walls to block shit on. In easier areas(read:not slavers/kath/SoO/etc.), other builds are more effective. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 18:40, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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:Arrogant, don't vet it based upon it in its worst situation. That is retarded. If it is bad on certain classes, note that on the page and vet it based upon its best performance. [[User:Misery|<font color="#A55858">Misery</font>]][[User talk:Misery| ]] 18:55, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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::I'm sorry, where are you getting this "worst situation" thing because I never mentioned it. I rate a build on how well it performs in HM missions, vanquishes, and dungeons. If you think something is wrong with that, then I don't know what to say.
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::Life Guardian, a 100b War is pretty fucking fast with vanquishes too, they pretty much explode everything regardless of difficulty.--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|<b><font color="Red">Arrogant</font></b>]][[File:Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg|19px]][[User_talk:Arrogant_Bastard|<b><font color="black">Bastard</font></b>]] 21:32, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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:::I would say the idea came from your vote {{quote|While it can "work" on most classes, it simply cannot compare to class-specific builds (e.g. condition heroes with FD mesmers and melee buffing heroes).
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Moreover, if you wanted a general hero team, Discordway is completely outclassed by Spiritway.
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The only real use for discordway is if you are playing an Ele, Monk, or Mesmer and are too lazy to unlock the 2 Rit heroes.}} Incase you forgot.---[[User talk:Xtreme1ne|<font color="#0000ff"><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;">'''X'''</span></font>]]<font color="#696969"><small>TREME</small></font> 21:49, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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::::Where does it say something like "Discordway fails in difficult situations/worse case scenario"?--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|<b><font color="Red">Arrogant</font></b>]][[File:Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg|19px]][[User_talk:Arrogant_Bastard|<b><font color="black">Bastard</font></b>]] 22:08, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::"''If this hero build was specific for Eles, Monks, and Mesmers, it wouldn't be so bad.''" was what I was referring to. If you voted it down because it is bad on warriors, that is retarded. Do note though I didn't go and remove your vote or anything. [[User:Misery|<font color="#A55858">Misery</font>]][[User talk:Misery| ]] 22:40, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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::::::discordway wasn't designed for melee classes, that's why they have better options. It doesn't make it any worse except hurting universality a little if you use a melee class with this. Also the worst situations tend to be when your playing pve wrong. And 100b is so boring on a warrior--[[User:Relyk|<font color="darkblue">'''Relyk'''</font>]] [[User talk:Relyk|<font color="blue"><sub>talk</sub></font>]] 23:06, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
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:So still, you can't find anything with me saying something about "Discordway fails in difficult situations/worse case scenario"? (I'll give you a hint so you stop bringing that up, I wasn't the one who said it...if you bother reading a few lines up).
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:If Discord isn't made for melee classes then the guide should say so, and moreover, that is only one of my points against this build. I voted it down because
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::1) It is inferior to class/build specific hero teams (And no, not just melees, but also Rits, Necros, and some Mesmer builds)
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::2) As far as general teams, it is outclassed by Spiritway
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--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|<b><font color="Red">Arrogant</font></b>]][[File:Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg|19px]][[User_talk:Arrogant_Bastard|<b><font color="black">Bastard</font></b>]] 01:53, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Also outclassed by Sabway imo, I have ran Sabway for over 2 of my 2.5 years of playing this game and I have never had a problem with it. Also, I don't play caster chars very often, but when I do I still use Sabway even then. --[[File:Samsig.png]] 02:04, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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::::Well the classic Sabway is a bit dated because a dedicated healer hero is rarely needed (unless you are going purely for melee buffing where you can bring an ER hero). Simply replacing the Resto Necro for a SoS Rit (with PwK and 1 spot heal) would be far better for melee than Discordway.--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|<b><font color="Red">Arrogant</font></b>]][[File:Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg|19px]][[User_talk:Arrogant_Bastard|<b><font color="black">Bastard</font></b>]] 02:18, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::Discord with a necro is actually the most effective discord due to lolenergy. Shit ''drops''. Also, heroes are terrible with SS. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 02:43, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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::::::Arrogant, you bring sos on the curses necro since he's specced into channeling already. you might want to elaborate on your generalizations, since they're both wrong as I see it--[[User:Relyk|<font color="darkblue">'''Relyk'''</font>]] [[User talk:Relyk|<font color="blue"><sub>talk</sub></font>]] 04:04, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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::::Arrogant, you are fucking retarded. Go and actually read what I said. [[User:Misery|<font color="#A55858">Misery</font>]][[User talk:Misery| ]] 06:04, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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Too much crying because I don't believe in your sacred cow. It's not like I said "LOL DISCORD SUX GG EZ". Deal with it.--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|<b><font color="Red">Arrogant</font></b>]][[File:Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg|19px]][[User_talk:Arrogant_Bastard|<b><font color="black">Bastard</font></b>]] 08:06, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:I don't like how you bring up a sacred cow in every single argument that you're a part of. It barely even makes sense. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 08:18, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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::"sacred cow –noun; an individual, organization, institution, etc., considered to be exempt from criticism or questioning."
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::Sure seems that way.--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|<b><font color="Red">Arrogant</font></b>]][[File:Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg|19px]][[User_talk:Arrogant_Bastard|<b><font color="black">Bastard</font></b>]] 08:21, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:::I understand what it means, it's more the lack of variety that disturbs me :< <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 08:23, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:I don't care that you gave this build a slightly lower rating than the average (OH LORD AND HEAVENS ABOVE NO!), I just care that you are being retarded. [[User:Misery|<font color="#A55858">Misery</font>]][[User talk:Misery| ]] 08:28, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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::::Life Guardian: I dunno, perhaps there aren't that many synonyms that can be used in the same context? (and the fact that I've used this term to describe the same topic...so its disturbing that I'm sticking with the same stance on Discord?)
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::::Misery, it clearly sounds like you are butthurt that I don't like this build, so if you really don't care then stop posting your Strawman arugments.--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|<b><font color="Red">Arrogant</font></b>]][[File:Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg|19px]][[User_talk:Arrogant_Bastard|<b><font color="black">Bastard</font></b>]] 08:31, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::That actually sounds like the insulting credibility rather than point logical fallacy :o. and tbh, just because it isn't the most optimal thing doesnt mean that it doesnt beat the shit out of pve just by rolling your face across the keyboard. It doesn't make discord any worse, it just makes the other options lolwtfridiculous(like spiritway going through duncan HM with only 1 healer hench). <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 08:35, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::The fact that you think Misery can get butthurt about a pve build says it all. --[[User:Frosty|<b><font color="Black">Frosty</font></b>]] [[Image:Newsigfrost.jpg|19px]] 08:37, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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::::::Life Guardian: Perhaps, but the response from telling GW players that Discordway sucks is as though you told them their religion is wrong.
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::::::Frosty: Get off Misery's nuts for a second and assume he's not some intarweb celebrity and I know fuck all about him. Thanks.--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|<b><font color="Red">Arrogant</font></b>]][[File:Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg|19px]][[User_talk:Arrogant_Bastard|<b><font color="black">Bastard</font></b>]] 08:43, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:::::::Except Discord really doesn't suck. <span style="font-family:fantasy;border-top:3px dotted #AAAA99;">[[User:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#AAAAAA;">Life</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Life Guardian|<span style="color:#006699;">Guardian</span>]]</span> 08:48, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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::::::Wah wah wah, Discordway is the best build ever even though I have never used it. I am so butthurt. Allow me to highlight something for you Arrogant:
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::::::Misery: "''If it is bad on certain classes, note that on the page and vet it based upon its best performance.''"
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::::::Arrogant: "''If Discord isn't made for melee classes then the guide should say so...''"
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::::::Misery: "''If you voted it down because it is bad on warriors, that is retarded.''"
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::::::I never asked you to change your vote, unless the basis for voting it lower was because it is bad on warriors. Learn some fucking reading comprehension. The only thing I asked you to do was edit the page to reflect that the build shouldn't be used for classes that it is bad on, something that you said should be done yourself. I haven't done it because I don't know, I've never run Discordway and I never will ^_______^ [[User:Misery|<font color="#A55858">Misery</font>]][[User talk:Misery| ]] 08:49, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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Let me break this down for you retard style since you can't seem to read either my vote or what I wrote here. My argument about Discord sucking with melee was one of three points I made (2. It sucks compared to class specific builds on casters 3. It pales in comparison to Spiritway as a general build for all classes). Have a nice day.--[[User:Arrogant Bastard|<b><font color="Red">Arrogant</font></b>]][[File:Arrogant_Bastard_Sig.jpg|19px]][[User_talk:Arrogant_Bastard|<b><font color="black">Bastard</font></b>]] 08:54, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:Yes, which is why I never told you to change your vote. It seems you can't read what I wrote here, which is what I said. I am addressing one of the three points you made. Are you a bad troll or retarded? Both of them are bannable by the way, so it is kind of irrelevant. I can only assume that you are assuming that I agree with Xtreme and taking things he said as things I have said. That is pretty dumb as he almost never makes sense. [[User:Misery|<font color="#A55858">Misery</font>]][[User talk:Misery| ]] 09:19, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:Objection: I find your last argument to be bias and full of holes. Statement: Therefore I raise you the argument presented above. Correlation: Spiritway and Discordway are both builds of "Great" standing. Justification: Both both builds are user friendly and adaptable to many situations. Conclusion: Both builds fall to user preference in certain circumstances, and if used in conjunction are devastating. Final Statement: I have no quarrel with you meatbag.
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:Notification: This page needs archiving.--[[User Talk:Ikimono1|<font color ="Blue">Ikimono</font><small><font color ="Brown">...And my Axe!</font></small>]][[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png]] 09:26, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 09:28, June 17, 2010

Build talk:Team - Discordway/Archive 1

"Self-Sustaining?" Edit

Are the three necro heroes here able to keep up a continual onslaught of damage by themselves? Will they be able to fuel Discord just with Enfeebling Blood, Shadow of Fear, the Jagged minions and such? The reason I'm asking is because I'm having fun abusing ritual spirits, and don't really have room/have no desire to switch out skills for Assassin's Promise, "Finish Him!," etc. I'm pretty sure that Sabway will be good with this build, because it's good with almost everything, but I just wonder if this will be more efficient. Thanks. Mithr4ndir 05:18, 1 July 2009

Sabway means you can go afk in the middle of the fight. Discord overall is probably more effective, but requires you to actually do something. You don't need those specific skills, but they do help. Having AP+YMlaD! means you can always fuel discord by yourself. LifeWikiLOD7 05:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
If you have a condition and a hex and can be bothered to spam ctrl+space, then Discordway is the most efficient build out there. If you don't want to have to do anything besides c-space, then take Sabway or Spiritway. ··· Danny-sig 15:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
and then do much alt-tabbing. — μαφλεσ 15:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I've used discord as a spirit spammer, with the only thing I supplied being painful bond for the hex. It worked well. PVX-Lordz 20:37, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Minions Edit

I'm having difficulty understanding why there is a triple minion setup. Other than minions supply energy and healing (from Dwaynas) what's the main purpose of running 2x Shambling Horrors and 1x Bone minions? Selket Shadowdancer 07:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Giant walls probably. Zyke-Sig 08:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Running 3 MMs is actually incredibly stupid. Fighting over corpses ftw. LifeWikiLOD7 08:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I didn't get the minions on three bars concept either. I find its ok running on the MM and Curses Necs myself (I generally run dual Bone Minions and get about 18 minions going in corpse heavy areas), but not the main healer who should be healing not creating minions outside of spiking. I suggest taking the minions off the Restoration, and making the minion slot on the Curses optional dependant on the area you're in. Selket Shadowdancer 08:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Running shambling horror x3 is not terrible. Fighting over corpses? Yeah right, get real. There are a million corpses and shambling has a recharge of 25. Also, shambling alone != MM. You would need to at least add in bone minions, fiends, or horrors to call it a MM (something with low recharge). I personally run 2 MMs at 16 death, because I can, but this works too because shamblings are the sturdiest minions available. -THC
Fighting as in all using corpse exploitation skill at the same time so some will waste energy and time, not lack of corpses. Spaggage talk 18:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Shambling Horror x3 is terrible. You only need 2 minion spells max. 3 if you're feeling really hawt. ··· Danny-sig 20:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Prof specific variants Edit

Is it possible to leave profession specific bars (for the user) on the variants section or something?- - Shikaru Nara (talk|contribs) 02:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Bring a hex and a condition and don't be bad at ctrl+space. If you need prof specific bars, the basic form is Assassin's Promise + YMLaD + Finish Him and any 5 skills that make you kill shit easier and faster. Profession specific bars are hardly necessary. ··· Danny-sig 06:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

your incredbly stupid,1 is energy,2 is Death nova, the hero cast on ALL minions death nova evan if they arent his,so let count let say 2 heroes got 3 shamb each,that is 6,and the 3rd hero got 3 aswell,that 9 death novas,rdy to blow away+as a meat shield+ the jagged horror cus bledding which is good for discord req.noobs

lolwut. Life Guardian 09:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
lolwut...condition and hex....that is all you have to do and let discord do it's thing. Minon bombing is 2ndaryXTREME Hunter 12:15, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Possible build for rangers Edit

I've been toying around with my ranger's skills and came upon this (srry for the template code): OgcTcxO7VaBym047gJm8us4QAAA It kinda works but foes with blocking skills or blind may cause some trouble Stang 19:45, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Assassin&#039;s Promise &quot;You Move Like a Dwarf!&quot; Falling Lotus Strike Death Blossom &quot;Finish Him!&quot; Dwarven Stability Lightning Reflexes Resurrection Signet
Use PvXDecode next time. Spaggage talk 19:51, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

thx dude :D Stang 21:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

next time use mini skill bar. it makes talk pages not explode. also, if you're using Dwarven Stability, make use of requires enchant skills. ··· Danny-sig 03:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
DS seems to be a waste here since AP will just recharge everything. Take Ural's Hammer or "I'm the Strongest!" or something. Zyke-Sig 03:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Put Death Charge in the front before AP and take away DS. That way, you don't have to run towards your target. After I tried it, I changed Death Blossom into Signet of Deadly corruption. It worked better. More damage, and less energy.

OMG mainbar Masochism Edit

Please? Majikmajikmajik 06:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

This is true, i shall work on it. Life Guardian 06:50, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Prolly replace PwK. Zyke-Sig

moo big, there was a skill update. still, two extra points in death versus losing skills currently on the heroes, plus health sac for everything, isn't really worth it. — μαφλεσ 07:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

You didnt lose anything big anyways, and 2 points makes a surprisingly large impact through discord, minion level, death nova damage, and energy management. The health sac is hardly noticable. Life Guardian 07:40, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
at least don't replace PwK. tbh, i'm not so sure that the constant health saccing would be noticeable one way or the other. have you tested yet? — μαφλεσ 08:01, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Yep, the extra points in death make shit blow up, and you can drop SoLS(depending on build) because of the extra points in SR. I would NEVER replace PwK, Zyke is a fucking autist. Easiest way i saw to counter the health loss was with recup, so i replaced recovery with it and now it's all good. Your heroes only lose ~20-25 health per cast anyways. Life Guardian 08:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd replace PWK. Loosing your weapon bonuses jusr for 10 armor isn't worth it and you already have Dwayna's for party heal thats enough. --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 09:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Despite the obv leetness of PwK, it's had its recharge nerfed and survival isn't anyways the biggest issue in PvE ;'D with bigger minions and more damage it might compensate much/more than all of it. And as he said, you get to have weapons. ---Chaos- 10:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Leetness has almost gone when it stopped giving 24 armor bonus and having 15 recharge. :( --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 10:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
PwK is still useful. The damage from mascochism isn't very noticable - it is similar to what you take in Gate of Pain mission (if you do find it a problem, a bit of full-party mending - recuperation - easily heals over). AthrunAthrun SigFeya 11:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
The sac is not really anything compared to the buffs it gives. 2 SR gains from masochism alreday repays the health loss x5 ---Chaos- 11:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I use Rejuvenation instead of recup. It gives roughly the same regen as recup but costs less and you can have lower restoration magic level. :p --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 11:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Also, Vigorous Spirit works mega wonders. :) --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 11:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
hey, I don't like how four of you basically repeated the exact same thing that Life said. good going. — μαφλεσ 15:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Ah, because I told Life basically what he said in game and didn't bother reading. AthrunAthrun SigFeya 16:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

lolEdit

bunch of terrible shitters. take masochism on only the MM and stop being autists. ··· Dannycbf 16:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

The extra SR and damage is so amazing though :( You can't even tell that they're saccing health. Life Guardian 20:00, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
You mean the extra 10 damage and the extra 2 energy on an already full blue bar? ··· Dannycbf 20:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Whats wrong with gaining 2 more energy and 10 more damage? ^^ --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 20:44, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
the fact that 3% of your health is 15-18, meaning you're taking more damage than you're dealing, and you're using what energy you get to heal what you sac. you're really better off taking SoLS or some shit. ··· Dannycbf 20:48, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
cause spamming blood of the master with no minions will kill you?--Relyk 21:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
what does botm have to do with anything here? ··· Dannycbf 21:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
analogy of saccing, 10 damage is nothing--Relyk 21:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
you do know that you are only doing 10 extra damage also right? Drahgal Meir 21:54, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Thats 30 total! Plus it's better energy, stonger minions, death nova, etc. Life Guardian 22:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Also, Recup, Rejuv, Vigorous. --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 22:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
tbh stronger minions is the only legitimate reason. — μαφλεσ 22:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
HM Flesh Golem anyone?--Ikimono"My beard is thick."Monk-Paragon-icon 23:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

this is retarted, who in their right mind would replace masochism with signet of lost souls, Masochism only gives 6 energy every 15 seconds, signet of lost souls gives easily more energy than that, SOS heals you significantly whereas masochism damages you, do not take this terrible skill for the extra 10 damage, its not worth it.

SoLS is actually completely unnecessary on a discord bar. However, taking Maso on the healer probably isnt needed. Life Guardian 03:07, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Alright, debating on switching skills 2,3, and 8 on the first two bars. Life Guardian 03:28, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

i am 100% wit danny on this ... maso is fuckin retarded ... how come anet thinks +2 on anything will make every one orgasm over an update ... SoLS is sooooo much better ... you all can use maso but yeah im still stickin with SoLS or not takin either lol ... that 10 dmg is better then shadow form ... Ecro sigEcro talk 23:46, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

The end point is there is no reason why you need to have signet of lost souls on a discord bar since monsters die retardedly quick in the fist place. Stronger minions, a little more damage, and 1 more energy gained on death- outweights the health gain you get from SoLS (imo)--Ikimono"My beard is thick."Monk-Paragon-icon 01:32, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
You ever fight a group of Stone Summit in HM? SoLS is the only reason your healer has a blue bar half the time. Masochism is wonderful on the MM. On the Enfeeble, take a hard rez or an extra heal. On the Resto, take SoLS or an extra heal. ··· Dannycbf 16:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

you don't want strong minions on any of these characters, you want them to blow up ASAP, SOLS gives more energy than Masochism and heals instead of hurts. The one extra minion and the +10 damage to death nova and discord are insignificant compared to the damage you will be taking as a result of this (around 15 per skill)if enemies are dieing so fast you don't "need it" then why the hell would you change the build???-the king

sig of deadly corruptionEdit

since you already have 12 deadly arts? it needs conditions for dmg, and so doesnt discord so that condition is met. plus it's a signet so not a waste of energy. basically an extra discord. variants? Sir Nothing 03:32, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe we stopped listing the caller variants, but yes, it is definitely a variant and probably mainbar. Life Guard ian 03:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
By the time you actually have the chance to use it your target will most likely already be dead. 86.1.180.54 01:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

This hero and player combination can deal loads of armor ignoring damage with Discord Discord while hexing and conditioning foes, making it perfect for any Hard Mode job.

Major ChangesEdit

Asterisk/Assassin-icon-small Player


Assassin&#039;s Promise &quot;You Move Like a Dwarf!&quot; Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support &quot;Finish Him!&quot; Optional Optional Optional Optional


Necromancer-icon-small/Ritualist-icon-small Big Heals Life discord


Discord Animate Bone Minions Spirit Light Protective Was Kaolai Spirit Transfer Mend Body and Soul Life Death Pact Signet


Necromancer-icon-small/Ritualist-icon-small Curse Recuperation discord


Discord Enfeebling Blood Shadow of Fear Protective Was Kaolai Mend Body and Soul Weapon of Warding Recuperation Signet Of Lost Souls


Necromancer-icon-small/Monk-icon-small Protter discord


Discord Putrid Bile Animate Bone Minions Death Nova Optional Spirit Bond Dwayna&#039;s Sorrow Shield of Absorption


Optional is convert Hexes or Aegis depending on the situation

Reason for these changes: Signet of lost souls is only needed on the recup necro

Recup is superior too recovery because there are already two mend body and souls, energy is fine on the other characters.

Animate shambling Horror has too long of a recharge, the MM with Animate shambling will never get more than two or three minions with this skill which means fewer bombs, Animate bone minions is the superior skill here. With two Animate bone minions you can also get a considerable minion

spirit bond is better than Prot spirit in discordway, in HM especially almost every hit will give +80 health, and if their not hitting for around 50-60 then prot spirit isn't doing anything either.

Death pact signet is better than Flesh of my flesh, if the person who was rezzed dies in under two minutes then you are going to wipe anyway and you avoided the extra DP, Flesh of my flesh means you both have no energy and relatively low HP as well. The faster cast time also makes a difference.

spirit transfer instead of ghostmirror light well thats just kind of obvious... it heals for a lot more and you will always have at least one spirit up. heroes can also trigger party heals using this if they see that the spirits are taking damage

Shield of Absorption prevents ridiculous amounts of damage and needs to be on the protters bar in some form.

Masochism is a bad skill for Discordway, taking 15 damage whenever you use a skill is not worth the 6 energy every 15 seconds and the marginal extra damage. It is also easily stripped since this build doesn't have very many cover enchantments

-The King

Personally I put my minions on my Curses Necro and not my Restoration Necro. Seems the Restoration Necro has higher spec in Restoration it makes sense he spends more time healing and spiking than raising minions (I see the Curses Necro as more of a utility character). I actually agree with using Animate Bone Minions x2 though. You can get a large army up pretty quickly. Masochism should stay on your bar though, it's extra damage, extra energy, and more minions. I haven't found the minor health loss to be an issue at all. I run a completely different MM though with Foul Feast and Infuse Condition which allows me to bring bigger heals. I don't really bother with resurrect spells unless it's a high end area in which I'll switch up a little.


Discord Protective Was Kaolai Weapon of Warding Ghostmirror Light Spirit Light Life Signet of Lost Souls Flesh of My Flesh


Masochism Discord Animate Bone Minions Enfeebling Blood Shadow of Fear Spirit Light Protective Was Kaolai Recovery


Masochism Discord Animate Bone Minions Putrid Bile Death Nova Foul Feast Infuse Condition Dwayna&#039;s Sorrow


Selket Shadowdancer 08:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

spirit light healing ftw--Relyk 08:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I quite like selkets builds, but would be tempted to change the second bar to something with prot. Heroes bars have terrible prot skills which they don't know how to use.
Masochism Discord Animate Bone Minions Enfeebling Blood Shadow of Fear Shield of Absorption Protective Spirit Aegis
AthrunAthrun SigFeya 08:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
You could quite easily run Aegis and Protective Spirit on the Curses Necro. I've done it before and that works too. I normally throw a form of hex removal in if I run protection on the Curses Necro. I do find with the previously posted build of mine that big protection isn't needed as much as there's bigger healing from dual Spirit Light and a higher specced Dwaynas Sorrow.


Discord Protective Was Kaolai Weapon of Warding Ghostmirror Light Spirit Light Life Signet of Lost Souls Flesh of My Flesh


Masochism Discord Animate Bone Minions Enfeebling Blood Shadow of Fear Optional Protective Spirit Aegis


Masochism Discord Animate Bone Minions Putrid Bile Death Nova Foul Feast Infuse Condition Dwayna&#039;s Sorrow


Selket Shadowdancer 09:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

i like prot spirit there better--Relyk 09:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I do too it's a nicer attribute spread. This is the full bars with attributes included.

Restoration Healer <pvxbig> [build prof=N/Rt death=10+1+1 sou=8+1 res=12][Discord][Protective Was Kaolai][Spirit Light][Ghostmirror Light][Weapon of Warding][Life][Signet of Lost Souls][Flesh of My Flesh][/build] </pvxbig>

Dwaynas Bomber <pvxbig> [build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+1 soul=8+1 heal=10][Masochism][Discord][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][Foul Feast][Infuse Condition][Dwaynas Sorrow][/build] </pvxbig>

Curses Protection <pvxbig> [build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+1 sou=8+1 cur=7+1 prot=8][Masochism][Discord][Animate Bone Minions][Enfeebling Blood][Shadow of Fear][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Reverse Hex][/build] </pvxbig>

Selket Shadowdancer 09:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Why dual MM? They would fight for corpses and spammable minion spells tend to greatly distract your discords from discording so having the spell on just one of your necs is enough imo. I personally like to bring just one MM with BotM, bringing 10-11 healthy minions to the next battle is just as good as bringing 11+ dead ones. --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 09:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Depends on how corpse heavy the area is. I find that the more minions you have the better your energy and healing from Dwaynas is, aswell as bombing. Corpse fighting isn't an issue (not with dual). Also you should bind Discord for spikes (at least I do anyway). Selket Shadowdancer 09:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
With 10 spec Dwayna's and a single MM you can potentially have 350-375 points of party heal running around. Personally, I think that it's enough. I bind my Discord to keyboard too but I wont order them to spike when they are casting animate spells or they would cancel the casting throwing some 15 energy owt of the window. --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 09:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Personally having upto double that amount of healing is even better. I've lost count of the amount of times I've ran around areas with 18+ minions. It's simply a matter of whether the area you're in supports mass corpse reanimation or not. Most of the time the heroes are busy doing their own thing enough to not be fighting over corpses when raising minions. Selket Shadowdancer 10:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

holy fuck you guys are terrible at this game. ··· Dannycbf 16:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Hardly. Selket Shadowdancer 17:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
and what in particular makes us terrible? --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 01:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Monk PlayerEdit

This is the Build that I came up with for my Monk: <pvxbig> [build prof=Mo/A Smiting=12+1+1 Deadly=12][Assassins Promise][Death's Charge]["You Move Like a Dwarf!"][Stonesoul Strike][Iron Palm][Holy Strike][Finish Him][Shadow Sanctuary][/build] </pvxbig> User:Thonyonline 21:26, 24 august 2009 (CET)

Too energy intensive imo. You also dont deal much more damage than a normal AP caller. :/ --Carnivorous CupcakeCarnCupcake Muffin 15:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
No excuse for no Sig of Deadly Corruption now, imo 86.134.211.13
Castigation Signet...--Ikimono"Mutton Chop Man"Monk-Paragon-icon 15:17, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

<pvxbig> [build prof=Mo/A Smiting=12+1+1 Deadly=12][Assassins Promise]["You Move Like a Dwarf!"][Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support][Finish Him][Castigation Signet][Optional][Optional][Rebirth][/build] </pvxbig> If you're fighting Plagueborn, Lift Enchantment to remove shadowform ;O --Ikimono"Mutton Chop Man"Monk-Paragon-icon 15:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

explainEdit

You may want to switch "You Move Like a Dwarf" with "Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support"--X 00:04, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

You wouldn't, so gogo revert, which i already did. Life Guardian 00:07, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
"Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support" for Ebon Sin, not for YMLaD!. YMLaD! + FH! should remain in any case.
EVSS is a good alternative for area with lots of healer.
Pain Inverter is nice too against high/aoe dps foes. Elephantaliste Noir 19:38, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Signet of Deadly Corruption Edit

I've tested it and when using Signet of Deadly Corruption with this build, you could easily destroy targets who refuse to die much faster, when there's high pressure on the heroes and you need to kill as many as possible in the fastest time. Silencez0rd 10:30, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

I have a question, There is weakness condition and bleeding contion, Which would cause about 58 damage. What should be added to the Discordway to put in more conditions?
you could take Weaken Armor on the curses without gimping his bar too much. you can usually drop Recovery for that. If you wanted to go nuts, you could try taking Poisoned Heart or Viper's Defense (assuming you're assassin primary), though it'll usually be redundant with death nova. — Maf so rational. 21:56, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

I fail at discordway .. help?Edit

I guess I'm a bigger noob than I realized :). I use Discordway with great results in most places. I go Mo/A, I take the main bar on the page along with Mark of Death, Signet of Deadly Corruption and some smites. In GW:EN solo (Heros and Henchies), in Hard Mode I run across a group of 7 charr
2 x Charr Prophet
2 x Charr Hexreaper
2 x Charr Flameshielder
1 x Charr Wardkeeper

Having 2 healers in hard mode is annoying, but Discordway can usually over come that (esp with Mark of Death helping). Except the Flameshielders have Extinguish (party wide cond removal) and so i'm only able to keep Discordway primed about 50 to 60% of the time. Ok, thats fine the minion bomb should finish it off right? well the wardkeeper with ward agaisnt harm + elemental + melee jacks up the armor so much that the mm bomb effectiveness is cut way down, not to mention the AoE dmg from the Flameshielders mean the MM don't last long. I wind up unable to kill anything and 3 minutes latter with nothing to feed the soul reaping everyone runs out of energy and we wipe. Attempts to pull them out of the wards haven't produced any better results. (henchmen are: Me, interupt Ranger, Prot Monk, Healing Monk)

I Know I'm fail, but hopefully someone can help me see the obvious thing I'm missing. Is there an easy tip on how to handle this situation?GW-Myth 11:50, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I usually take Herta over the Mes for Hench. You could try replacing "YMlaD!" with Technobable and maybe take Pain Inverter for the Flameshielders so they blow themselves up (especially with all the minions running around). Also the effectiveness of the minion bombing (or any of the damage in Discordway for that matter) isn't affected by armor buffs becuase it's all armor ignoring damage. If all else fails, then ask your guild or friends I guess. Spaggage talk 13:26, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, I like your idea of PI on the Flameshielders I'll give your suggestions a try. Thanks. GW-Myth 01:57, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
I usually take Cynn (meteor shower helps a lot) over the interrupt hench and Herta over the prot hench. Zyke-Sig 07:07, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

The small bar and big bar for the Life Resto are different. Should either Ghostmirror Light or Spirit Light be on the mainbar? 124.180.39.27 06:58, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Mmm, preference. I use Putrid Bile over WoW and bring Ghostmirror to counter Maso's sac. These bars are very widely variable, and you should experiment to find the version that works best for you. Life Guardian 07:03, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, that does make sense. However, shouldn't we still keep one of the skills and put the other as a variant? It seems a bit unusual if the bars are not the same. I would think that Spirit Light is more widely used and mainbar that, but I'm not entirely sure. 124.180.39.27 07:13, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Ghostmirror was on both bars originally. Someone changed the main bars and i cba to figure out who. Ill fix it if i have time tomorrow. Life Guardian 07:21, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

hmmmm...151.188.18.83 15:50, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Different Main Edit

I know you guys have said repeatedly that you aren't changing mainbar for the caller, and I am not asking for that, so don't flame me for this please. I personally love running necrosis, so I can take an active role in dealing damage. Would I be successful running curses and soul reaping only, bring p-bond for the spam hex and enfeeble for the spam condition? I think this could be effective because i bring the extra damage from my necrosis, and it seems less vulnerable to mistakes, because a single hex removal on the mainbar's build screws you over for the next 45 seconds... on this, its just 2, and your elite is still open for whatever else you want... is there something i'm obviously missing here? Kurotou Shadestryke 22:37, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Would probably work, but bringing barbs, MoP, enfeebling blood, and sig of deadly corruption in the optionals works just as well. If you know there's going to be heavy hex removal, micro shadow of fear on clumped targets to bait it out or call with barbs/mop. You'd be surpised how much damage the caller bar actually does. Life Guardian 00:05, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Paragons Edit

This also easily can be run by paragons. Simply take leader's zeal or just GftE with some leadership (10 would do). Funniest thing is to make qknocks with YmlaD and EVAS. Requires litl bit of practise, but it is most fun:DSebv2727 16:28, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Sorrow Discord - Death Nova vs. PS Edit

Has anyone else noticed that the Sorrow Discord hero tend to cast Death Nova instead of PS? I've noticed that when someone's getting spiked, the hero tends to cast Death Nova instead of PS to try to keep him alive - I end up having to either micro PS or disable Death Nova on his bar. Might it be better to move Death Nova or the Prot role to another hero?

Hmm, this is an example of what i would call epic defensefag. Health bars shouldnt be dropping that low. However, heroes do prioritize Death Nova over Heals, so make sure not to combine Death Nova and Healing. The best option is to micro PS onto yourself before the fight, and take the brunt of the damage instead of your heroes/hench. The hero will be able to handle PS fine after that. Life Guardian 08:59, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Warrior Build? Edit

What would be a possible build for running this as a warrior primary? 75.157.47.232 22:58, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Endurance Axe. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 23:00, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
I had (0) trouble running a dragon slash warrior build with save yourself's - Managed to get legendary guardian + vanquisher easily.... T1Cybernetic 23:31, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
I could win PvE with a proper hero team and an empty skillbar so... ;o ... but Dragon Slash is alright. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 01:05, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Assassins Promise is not even needed Edit

Me=<pvxbig> [build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Curses=9 DeathMagic=12+1+3 Soulreaping=9+1 Restoration=3][Discord][Enfeeble][Parasitic Bond]["You Move Like a Dwarf][Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support][Necrosis][Signet of Lost Souls][FomF][/build] </pvxbig>

Heroes= <pvxbig> [build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Curses=4 DeathMagic=12+1+3 Soulreaping=8+1 Restoration=9][Discord][animate bone minions][Blood of the master][enfeeble][mend body and soul][spirit light][Signet of Lost Souls][FomF][/build] </pvxbig>

<pvxbig> [build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Curses=4 DeathMagic=12+1+3 Soulreaping=8+1 Restoration=9][Discord][animate bone minions][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][Splinter Weapon][spirit light][Signet of Lost Souls][FomF][/build] </pvxbig>

<pvxbig> [build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist Soulreaping=12+1+1 Restoration=12][Xinraes Weapon][mend body and soul][spirit light][weapon of warding][Life][protective was kaolai][Signet of Lost Souls][FomF][/build] </pvxbig>

wich has gotten my Necromancer Legendary Guardian, working on Legendary Vanquisher(almost done) and has gotten almost EotN done NM/HM/VQing

when theres an area with low corpses, i bring extra Hex/Conditions for pressure, also Assassin henchies make great condition spiker's(if theres aint 2 take 1+war henchie, if there aint any take 2 warriors henchies) and Mesmer henchies make great extra hex pressure(if no Hex mesmer henchies, take ele henchie), +healer henchie for extra heal support.

The Assassin's Promise build is only a general build which can be used by almost any profession, and not a necessary part of the team when you could run something else (like you are). --Frosty Frostcharge 08:58, January 25, 2010 (UTC)


oh ok...im a little confused what i'm doing on here, so my apologies

Who says Discordway is for casters? Edit

Ranger works great with Discordway better than any other class. Use poison arrow, because of no recharge time. Use Cripshot/Burning arrow/ Incendiary arrow for non-fleshy targets. You only need a hex or a condition to make discordway work. For warriors, Deep wounds. For Dervish, Wounding strike. You don't need Assassin promise for this.

"If target foe is suffering from a condition and under the effects of a hex or enchantment" <-- Has to be both. LessQQmorePewPew 23:23, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
The promise template is an universally efficient way to apply both Deep Wound, which owns with spiking, and the required hex, which provides energy and recharge for your instant deep wound! I don't think many other builds can do much better than that. --Chaos -- 23:24, February 16, 2010 (UTC)
I use this build with my ranger scythe. Asuran scan for hex, WS for condition and pew pew. Only run 2 discorders though, got xandra as SoS buffbitch.Masterbow 10:20, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
^ precisely, there are better builds for phys than discordway. - AthrunFeya - 12:13, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
I just run the AP YMLAD (EVAS) template on my warrior, works perfectly fine.

A different approach.. Edit

I have recently gotten into a discussion with a friend, about Discordway, one of the things I have learned to do with characters who have not yet unlocked all three necro's is to use.. Xandra, Ogden, and A necro. If you second class the Rit, and Monk with necros, you can easily make up for the lack of the other two necros.

Has anyone else done this/thought of this.. Could it not be mentioned on the main page? Maybe under alternatives?


Storm

Yes. Dosen't work as well but it still works amazing.--X 11:00, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Discord on war heros, gogogo! Zyke-Sig 11:03, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Well not that--X 11:35, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
I will say the main build works great for any castor. The rest does better on all three necros, than on like say a monk or ritualist. User Ariyen sig iconriyen 06:58, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Well of course it works better on all three necros, but I was mentioning the idea of atleast suggesting the Rit/mo/necro for people who might not have access to all three. For example, a prophecies character who only has prophecies, eotn, and Factions could get discord via cap, and be able to use Xandra, Ogden, and Livia as their heros and have an effective discordway team. It wouldn't be as good, but it would still be quite effective.

-)

Storm

Ritualist Player Variant Edit

Anyone know a possible ritualist variant for the player? --Ritualist-icon-smallMaxdog999Ritualist-icon-small 04:39, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Probably something like:
Signet of Spirits Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support &quot;You Move Like a Dwarf!&quot; &quot;Finish Him!&quot; Ancestor&#039;s Rage Splinter Weapon Spirit Siphon Optional
-- Drah 04:56, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
But there is no hex and nothing for recharge.--Ritualist-icon-smallMaxdog999Ritualist-icon-small 05:18, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
Yes. I know one.
Assassin&#039;s Promise Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
--Chaos? -- 10:47, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


Assassin&#039;s Promise &quot;You Move Like a Dwarf!&quot; Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support &quot;Finish Him!&quot; Splinter Weapon Ancestor&#039;s Rage Optional Optional
--Brandnew  10:51, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Describe the build.

Assassin Pet Player Variant Edit

A nice Player Variant for Assassin which uses a pet to put out some extra damage + extra energy support.

<pvxbig> [build prof=a/r Deadly=12+1+1 Beast=12][Assassin's Promise]["You Move Like A Dwarf"][Scavenger Strike][optional]["Finish Him"][Call Of Haste][optional][Comfort Animal][/build] </pvxbig>

Optional 4:

Optional 7:

Usage: Maintain Call of Haste. Use 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 4 -> 5 on foes...

Counters: Your pet doesn't want to aggro foes or isn't in the mood to attack.

Konschu 14:42, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Warrior Variant Edit

This works anywhere, by applying an universal condition, and a hex. My hero builds are quite a bit different, I'll list them just for kicks, see what you think.

<pvxbig> [build prof=w/* Strength=12+1+1 Axe=12]["You Move Like A Dwarf"][Brawling Headbutt][Pain Inverter][Dismember][Executioner's Strike][Lacerating Chop][Enraging Charge][Warrior's Endurance][/build] </pvxbig> I use a furious axe of fortitude with 15^50 and a strength shield (duh). Lots of KD and armor-ignoring damage, plus WE's energy management makes this a great build for HM (or NM) PVE, and especially vanquishing.

Discord Resto/MMEdit

<pvxbig> [build prof=N/Rt name="Discord Resto" death=10+2+1 sou=8+1 res=12][Discord][Animate Bone Minions][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Masochism][Flesh of My Flesh][/build] </pvxbig>


Resto staff or wand/offhand set. Survivor/vitae and a bloodstained. I disable Flesh of My Flesh and use it if needed. I'd rather have the curser use rebirth than my healer sacrifice half his hp, esp being a necro with soul reaping.

Discord CurserEdit

<pvxbig> [build prof=N/Mo name="Discord Curser" death=12+2+1 sou=7+1 cur=9 hea=5 pro=4][Discord][Putrid Bile][Enfeebling Blood][Weaken Armor][Shadow of Fear][Masochism][Dwayna's Sorrow][Rebirth][/build] </pvxbig>


Death/curses staff or set. Survivor/vitae. I use rebirth because Death Pact Sig fails, imo. AoE curse and 2 AoE conditions.

Discord Prot/MMEdit

<pvxbig> [build prof=N/Mo name="Discord Prot" death=12+3+1 sou=8+1 pro=10][Discord][Putrid Bile][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Convert Hexes][Masochism][/build] </pvxbig>


Death staff or set. Survivor/vitae and a bloodstained.
Wombatt 16:51, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

New Nec Build?Edit

Something along the lines:

Discord Barbed Signet Parasitic Bond Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional

Thoughts? Lloyd 12:32, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Yes use mini skill bar, honestly (almost) any skills that give condition and hex will rock---XTREME 10:05, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I know, but surely the more Discord the better, and the new Barbed Signet is just too good! Lloyd 16:08, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
Eh. For spikes, you should be applying the condition via ymlad; for aoe pressure, enfeebling blood, death nova, and jagged horrors are more than enough (until you run into mobs with 2394203xRC). -- Armond {{Bacon}} 03:19, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

This allowed? Edit

Can I remove ratings I don't like? I mean, other builds are doing it.

Hell, I just got one of my ratings removed on Discordway because I didn't give it all 5's.

Can a Moderator please clarify this issue?

Thanks.--Arrogant Bastard 01:24, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yea, i'll get right on that.--Ikimono...And my Axe!Monk-Paragon-icon 01:28, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Arrogant Bastard: Discordway

Rated 3

"Works in most areas, but that's not saying much.

If you are looking for a build that is a jack of all trades, a master of none, and works for all professions, this is your build.

If you want an optimized build, this is the wrong one."

Reason: pretty optimised for caster professions... Removed by: Athrun Feya

Well I guess Discordway is optimized for casters, except if you compare it to spiritway, or maybe actually create synergy between your heroes and you profession. I could be wrong, but may as well just remove my rating for good measure since I disagree with a mod. It's better for everyone to have the same opinion and to discourage new ideas.--Arrogant Bastard 01:39, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Discordway is significantly better than trash(basically what a 3-3 means). It's also more effective than spiritway in areas that aren't really that difficult. Life Guardian 01:44, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
I consider Spirtway a pretty good general build that works on most professions. If Discordway only preforms better in easy areas, I think that says something about how effective it is (i.e. triple SF Ele heroes will steamroll NM faster than most other hero teams).--Arrogant Bastard 02:25, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Not really saying easy areas. I'm saying just about everything but a handful of dungeons. For most vanqs and missions, discord is pretty hard to beat(from a h/h standpoint, on a caster). Life Guardian 02:27, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Discord is suboptimal because it terrible on about half of the professions (aka physicals). A Warrior running discordway is worthy of a 0 rating if you compare it to other builds. On casters, its not as bad, but still mediocre.
Monks can probably use it the best since they don't have that many damage options; Eles have a similar problem in HM.
Mesmers are also in a similar situation but they have some better options to abuse Fevered Dreams.
Rits...they can abuse Spiritway the best IMO.
Necros probably have the most versatility in hero builds for casters. AoE potential makes Discord look terrible.
So a general build that works decently on only 2-3 out of 10 professions can't be rated a 3?--Arrogant Bastard 02:49, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
do you have downs?--TahiriVeila 02:58, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
So personal attacks now? No actual rebuttal? Should I be sorry for insulting your Sacred Cow?--Arrogant Bastard 03:11, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
I lol'd at 3-3-0 on Discord. --Iggy 's other account 10:24, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
3-3-0 means trash. Discordway is not trash. If you don't agree with PvX standards just get over it because they aren't gonna change. Necromas 14:48, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Discordway is the best build ever.....EVER---XTREME 11:38, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

It's a good thing votes for Discordway are manipulated. It is humorous to see melee's running this.--Arrogant Bastard 14:26, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Jagged Strike Asuran Scan Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Wounding Strike Faithful Intervention Asuran Scan Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Warrior&#039;s Endurance Dismember Asuran Scan Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Gtfo Vincent Evan [Air Henchman] Vincels 14:29, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
He has autism, go easy on him.--Ikimono...And my Axe!Monk-Paragon-icon 14:33, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
How do those bad builds compare to heroes that buff melee? I'll save you the time, discordway looks embarrassing in comparison.--Arrogant Bastard 14:51, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Disco is easy, and needs almost no tweaking for anything, has enough survivability and spike damage+minions...heroes are retarded, and can do this, cos it requires no thought. Its almost always NOT the best or fastest for any given area, but its easy and rolls thru stuff with no thought and very little effort. It does what it does well, and that autopilot sleepy play. not trash but not epic. Also the version here is way to heavy on defence imo but o well. >>Jayson<<< 15:47, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
Lol. Discord really does suck with melees. You either get meh spikes or give your necs melee buffs and lose focus of the build because your heroes will either spam melee buffs like mad or Discord. In the end you will get nothing done well. <: But, it's no reason to 3-3-0 this build. Even with a physical it will remain very effective. Although in all honesty Discord is cosiderably worse than Spiritwayftwuberbbqpwnagemachineofdoom. :3 --Iggy 's other account 19:53, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
discord doesn't suck on melee and please don't bring orders on one of the necros.--Relyk talk 00:23, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
Lol. Compared to when you play it with AP caller it does. Orders was just an example of a melee buff which you normally run with a physical. --Iggy 's other account 19:30, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
The people's vote who state "Wins PvE" or "very effective" without giving a proper reason should really be dealt with. You can't pick and choose who's vote to remove or not, depending on your mood and how you feel about the build yourself. Stay partial. MinionSplinter WeaponExcluded 16:05, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Acutually, there's a reason behind that. Look at the dates things were posted: we've decided to get strict about voting in the last few months but couldnt be bothered to make it retroactive or half the builds would be back in testing (and stay there, most likely). 129.67.119.240 16:08, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

*cough* Edit

Just a reminder that build talk pages are for discussing the build, not trolling the shit out of each other. Ikimono & Tahiri you both know that you could have explained the merits of the build (or even just linked to them) rather than trolling. And that goes for everyone else here too. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 19:34, 20 April 2010

SplitEdit

I was kinda thinking about splitting this into a high energy discord(eg, sin, necro, ele, mesmer) and a low energy discord for classes who can't manage the discord caller well enough. Any thoughts? Probably going to put it on the same page, but could always start a new one. Life Guardian 17:54, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Although, the low profs would probably be better off taking another heroway no? Spaggage talk 18:05, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
One variant for each physical? Four minibars for Derv, Para, War, and Assassin. Possibly ranger.MinionSplinter WeaponExcluded 18:20, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Was actually thinking about changing the hero bars and putting up one minibar with asuran scan on it. Life Guardian 18:37, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Guide:Discordway. hf life - AthrunFeya Lau bfly - 19:13, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
Wait, wat. Life Guardian 20:59, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
in that case just make an article / guiide with which builds to use for (insert professions here) and which bars to use for (insert the rest here) and link it to the main buildpage articles.Unreal sig 1Cute mc puppies 19:58, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Signet of Toxic ShockEdit

this skill pumps out very high armor ignoring dmg for no energy and only one condition. if a hero were to take fetid ground (for a more sustainable source of poison than minions blowing up), the kd's from this chain will enable the hero to use the skill often and power up SoTS. its just a thought n can b used for one of the optionals, even if fetid ground isnt taken... 19:55, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

"8 Soul Reaping on the Curses Resto?" Edit

Am I missing something but why has the Curses Resto got 7+1 Soul Reaping attrib points - and no SR skills on the bar? Is it for a variant that was removed? User:greatkev 8:23, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

SR is used for energy management in PvE. Zyke-Sig 08:30, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

ghostmirror light Edit

why take that over spirit light?

Because it eats pressure and because you got Masochism on the bar already so it offsets the sac nicely. --Iggy 's other account 09:26, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
Drop Maso and bring Spirt light, no need for it —Forget Bible 19:26, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
No u. --Iggy 's other account 19:29, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

why this is in "good"? Edit

and spirit light>ghostmirror light.Illoyon 23:49, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

4.75 is required. PvX:VETTING. Also, no. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 23:59, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
I believe the 2 outlier 3.2 votes should be removed. Look at their reasons "reasonable speed" is actually very fast, "too much defense" obviously isn't true if it kills stuff so quickly, and it's made for hardmode so defense is necessary. I don't really care for Discordway personally but even I can see that if it's used by so many people and in PvEMeta then it must be great-working. Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava} They&#039;re On Fire Panda 03:14, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
Post to adminboard? Zyke-Sig 03:50, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
Ask for it or suck it up. The fact is through ratings: this went to good. Shadow Form Slayer Shadow Form~ Slayer 05:47, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
42 votes and it's in Good. That must be quite accurate, don't you think?MinionMinion sig k bishExcluded 06:55, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
Not really, considering there are only about 4 votes that are actually dropping it down. Life Guardian 07:09, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Meh, the problem about builds such as Discordway or Sabway is that some people consider them lame, or either insist that is easier and funnier to do vanquishes or HM missions and stuff with a more balanced group... Well, they're quite right, but that doesn't mean that Sab or Discordway aren't very good at all. They just give bad ratings to make the builds look worse than they are. If someone has used Sab or Discord and failed in any vanquish or HM coop it's just because they fail @ playing or either they fail at balancing the rest of the group with the correct henchies. I prefer using a balanced group myself but this is just perfect for HM too, so don't pay attention to wiki's ratings, if you see a build, try it out and decide yourself --Lhoj 07:24, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Except something like Spiritway makes Discordway look like shit. And if you run Discord on any melees or a Rit, you are gimping yourself pretty bad...although its always funny to see a War and Rit use AP spiking builds.
If you honestly think Discordway is fast or has just enough defense (it has too much), then you probably have never used a melee (or Spiritway for casters).--ArrogantArrogant Bastard SigBastard 08:02, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
Thing is, you rate a build on how well it works. Not on how well it works in comparison to other builds. Otherwise we'd just have 1 build per proffession. --Brandnew 08:09, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
PvX:VETTING disagrees with you. It says builds that serve the same purpose can be compared. Also, common fucking sense (how do you test the effectivity of a build without comparing it to other builds?).--ArrogantArrogant Bastard SigBastard 08:14, June 16, 2010 (UTC)~
wait a fucking second, we have policies around here? Brandnew 08:20, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, depending on the area, discord beats the shit out of spiritway. In more difficult areas, spiritway ofc wins, but in general, discord is usually quicker than spiritway. Life Guardian 08:19, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
I got equal vanquish times using Spiritway and Discordway in Morostrav Vail. So it doesn't really seem to be faster, if the player is half-decent. MinionMinion sig k bishExcluded 08:53, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
Quit it guys. All these things are scrapped. Bad votes got scrapped, this build is great again. Stop whining and go post something else. Shadow Form Slayer Shadow Form~ Slayer 17:36, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
The votes got scrapped a couple of hours ago because this discussion took place. No need to be harsh about it, especially since it's resolved now. Tru...hardly working 17:38, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

If this hero build was specific for Eles, Monks, and Mesmers, it wouldn't be so bad. But as a hero team for all professions it's pretty terrible. Compare it to what a 100b Warrior + melee buffing heroes can do. And maybe before spirits were buffed a while ago Discordway was the only option for a general hero team, but now its dethroned (and has been for a while). There is really no reason to run Discordway unless you are too lazy to unlock the Rit heroes.--ArrogantArrogant Bastard SigBastard 18:19, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sigh, i guess i can divide the build into best for each profession grouping, but it's still largely subjective on what the optimal build is. Life Guardian 18:22, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
But you can't say its a good thing that there are Warriors using Discord. While there is some subjectivity, game mechanics and trial and error have generally demonstrated what works and what doesn't. For example, it is well known that a 100B Warrior + hero buffs is the fastest and most efficient h/h team for almost all areas.--ArrogantArrogant Bastard SigBastard 18:31, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
I mean subjectivity within the discord build. Tbh, 100b war+hero buffs is only extremely effective in areas that are actually difficult. Difficult and have walls to block shit on. In easier areas(read:not slavers/kath/SoO/etc.), other builds are more effective. Life Guardian 18:40, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
Arrogant, don't vet it based upon it in its worst situation. That is retarded. If it is bad on certain classes, note that on the page and vet it based upon its best performance. Misery 18:55, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry, where are you getting this "worst situation" thing because I never mentioned it. I rate a build on how well it performs in HM missions, vanquishes, and dungeons. If you think something is wrong with that, then I don't know what to say.
Life Guardian, a 100b War is pretty fucking fast with vanquishes too, they pretty much explode everything regardless of difficulty.--ArrogantArrogant Bastard SigBastard 21:32, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
I would say the idea came from your vote "While it can "work" on most classes, it simply cannot compare to class-specific builds (e.g. condition heroes with FD mesmers and melee buffing heroes).

Moreover, if you wanted a general hero team, Discordway is completely outclassed by Spiritway. The only real use for discordway is if you are playing an Ele, Monk, or Mesmer and are too lazy to unlock the 2 Rit heroes." Incase you forgot.---XTREME 21:49, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Where does it say something like "Discordway fails in difficult situations/worse case scenario"?--ArrogantArrogant Bastard SigBastard 22:08, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
"If this hero build was specific for Eles, Monks, and Mesmers, it wouldn't be so bad." was what I was referring to. If you voted it down because it is bad on warriors, that is retarded. Do note though I didn't go and remove your vote or anything. Misery 22:40, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
discordway wasn't designed for melee classes, that's why they have better options. It doesn't make it any worse except hurting universality a little if you use a melee class with this. Also the worst situations tend to be when your playing pve wrong. And 100b is so boring on a warrior--Relyk talk 23:06, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
So still, you can't find anything with me saying something about "Discordway fails in difficult situations/worse case scenario"? (I'll give you a hint so you stop bringing that up, I wasn't the one who said it...if you bother reading a few lines up).
If Discord isn't made for melee classes then the guide should say so, and moreover, that is only one of my points against this build. I voted it down because
1) It is inferior to class/build specific hero teams (And no, not just melees, but also Rits, Necros, and some Mesmer builds)
2) As far as general teams, it is outclassed by Spiritway

--ArrogantArrogant Bastard SigBastard 01:53, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Also outclassed by Sabway imo, I have ran Sabway for over 2 of my 2.5 years of playing this game and I have never had a problem with it. Also, I don't play caster chars very often, but when I do I still use Sabway even then. --Samsig 02:04, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Well the classic Sabway is a bit dated because a dedicated healer hero is rarely needed (unless you are going purely for melee buffing where you can bring an ER hero). Simply replacing the Resto Necro for a SoS Rit (with PwK and 1 spot heal) would be far better for melee than Discordway.--ArrogantArrogant Bastard SigBastard 02:18, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Discord with a necro is actually the most effective discord due to lolenergy. Shit drops. Also, heroes are terrible with SS. Life Guardian 02:43, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Arrogant, you bring sos on the curses necro since he's specced into channeling already. you might want to elaborate on your generalizations, since they're both wrong as I see it--Relyk talk 04:04, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Arrogant, you are fucking retarded. Go and actually read what I said. Misery 06:04, June 17, 2010 (UTC)


Too much crying because I don't believe in your sacred cow. It's not like I said "LOL DISCORD SUX GG EZ". Deal with it.--ArrogantArrogant Bastard SigBastard 08:06, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

I don't like how you bring up a sacred cow in every single argument that you're a part of. It barely even makes sense. Life Guardian 08:18, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
"sacred cow –noun; an individual, organization, institution, etc., considered to be exempt from criticism or questioning."
Sure seems that way.--ArrogantArrogant Bastard SigBastard 08:21, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
I understand what it means, it's more the lack of variety that disturbs me :< Life Guardian 08:23, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
I don't care that you gave this build a slightly lower rating than the average (OH LORD AND HEAVENS ABOVE NO!), I just care that you are being retarded. Misery 08:28, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Life Guardian: I dunno, perhaps there aren't that many synonyms that can be used in the same context? (and the fact that I've used this term to describe the same topic...so its disturbing that I'm sticking with the same stance on Discord?)
Misery, it clearly sounds like you are butthurt that I don't like this build, so if you really don't care then stop posting your Strawman arugments.--ArrogantArrogant Bastard SigBastard 08:31, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
That actually sounds like the insulting credibility rather than point logical fallacy :o. and tbh, just because it isn't the most optimal thing doesnt mean that it doesnt beat the shit out of pve just by rolling your face across the keyboard. It doesn't make discord any worse, it just makes the other options lolwtfridiculous(like spiritway going through duncan HM with only 1 healer hench). Life Guardian 08:35, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
The fact that you think Misery can get butthurt about a pve build says it all. --Frosty Newsigfrost 08:37, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Life Guardian: Perhaps, but the response from telling GW players that Discordway sucks is as though you told them their religion is wrong.
Frosty: Get off Misery's nuts for a second and assume he's not some intarweb celebrity and I know fuck all about him. Thanks.--ArrogantArrogant Bastard SigBastard 08:43, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Except Discord really doesn't suck. Life Guardian 08:48, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Wah wah wah, Discordway is the best build ever even though I have never used it. I am so butthurt. Allow me to highlight something for you Arrogant:
Misery: "If it is bad on certain classes, note that on the page and vet it based upon its best performance."
Arrogant: "If Discord isn't made for melee classes then the guide should say so..."
Misery: "If you voted it down because it is bad on warriors, that is retarded."
I never asked you to change your vote, unless the basis for voting it lower was because it is bad on warriors. Learn some fucking reading comprehension. The only thing I asked you to do was edit the page to reflect that the build shouldn't be used for classes that it is bad on, something that you said should be done yourself. I haven't done it because I don't know, I've never run Discordway and I never will ^_______^ Misery 08:49, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Let me break this down for you retard style since you can't seem to read either my vote or what I wrote here. My argument about Discord sucking with melee was one of three points I made (2. It sucks compared to class specific builds on casters 3. It pales in comparison to Spiritway as a general build for all classes). Have a nice day.--ArrogantArrogant Bastard SigBastard 08:54, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, which is why I never told you to change your vote. It seems you can't read what I wrote here, which is what I said. I am addressing one of the three points you made. Are you a bad troll or retarded? Both of them are bannable by the way, so it is kind of irrelevant. I can only assume that you are assuming that I agree with Xtreme and taking things he said as things I have said. That is pretty dumb as he almost never makes sense. Misery 09:19, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

<pvxbig> [build prof=Primary/Secondary][Wounding Strike][Dismember][Jagged Strike][Asuran Scan][/build] </pvxbig>

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Objection: I find your last argument to be bias and full of holes. Statement: Therefore I raise you the argument presented above. Correlation: Spiritway and Discordway are both builds of "Great" standing. Justification: Both both builds are user friendly and adaptable to many situations. Conclusion: Both builds fall to user preference in certain circumstances, and if used in conjunction are devastating. Final Statement: I have no quarrel with you meatbag.
Notification: This page needs archiving.--Ikimono...And my Axe!Monk-Paragon-icon 09:26, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
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