Build talk:Team - Discordway/Archive 2

Any comments and changes would be appreciated (and yes i forgot to log in...) Smurf Minions 12:50, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Shouldn't it be "Weakener" and not "Weaker"? ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡I͡n͡f͡i͡d͡e͡l̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı__̡͌l̡* 00:36, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Now that Discord has a one second activation time i think you should switch Mind Bender it out for a better PvE skill. if shadow of fear 2 sec activation seems like a problem switch it for something like the already mentioned suffering or Pbond. Watch me work it 04:31, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Discord used to have 2 seconds activation. It was buffed. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 04:46, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

i know, thats why i typed 'now that'. Watch me work it 05:01, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Why would you want to stop using it because it was buffed? Do you mean switch out Necrosis? Discord still has a 2 second recharge, so does necrosis. This way you can spam spam spam more. Necrosis only does slightly less damage, even with aftercast I think you'd win. - Misery Is HawtFile:Grumpy bear.JPG 06:36, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

i meant switch out Mind Bender, sorry typed it wrong ;), Mind Bender is still useful but so are lots of other PvE only skills.Watch me work it 12:43, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

• Weapon of Warding>Resilient with all that condition removal
• Mend Body and Soul>Vengeful Weapon
• The minion bomber should be necro primary to have a hope of maintaining energy.
• Infuse Condition isn't useful there because it doesn't have any form of draw and isn't meant to be tanking.

¬ Klumpeet 07:36{GMT}31-05-MMVIII

I also think a normal necro MM is better, i use that myself but haven't tried the rit one so not commenting about it. Resilient weapon is great for its armor, since you will have almost only low armor partymembers, and Mend Body and Soul>Vengeful Weapon really depends on the situation. Btw, signet of lost souls overkill imo since you already have SR and a minion bomber. Watch me work it 04:29, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

I don't really have a problem with having a N/Rt Bomber, although I would take out Discord for Jagged Bones, Infuse Condition for Animate Shambling Horror and possibly find room for Spirit's Gift (for lots of small heals for your Minions). Some skills to consider for your Rt/Ns would be Protective Was Kaolai, Pure Was Li Ming and Weapon of Shadow. -Mike 08:53, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

I tried all of these but jagged bones isn't neccesary, animate bone minions is more than enought. one shambling horrors isnt enought, tried taking shambling on 2-3 necro but then they all cast it at same time which greatly lowers efficiency. infuse conditions isn't worth taking i agree. i also took PwK on every N/Rt, works really really well. another advantage of a necro Minion bomber is that you have room for a secondary, creating room for the always useful Protective Spirit. Watch me work it 10:01, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

I agree on you guys, i think i'll switch the bomber to n/mo with aegis, PS and SoA, and PwK isnt that bad idea to have on 1 n/rt Smurf Minions 15:03, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Variant

I've been using this for HM:

Kills fast. Insane single-target damage, lots of aoe. I wouldn't really recommend Assassin's Promise without some good PvE skills to go with it though. Thought about switching the necs to N/Rt's but meh, haven't really messed around with it so far. P A R A S I T I C 18:00, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

Vengance =P --Fallen (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

It's like a temp res - by the time the 30secs is over, the battle is usually almost done and the death is a free corpse. As for the posted build: I'd put Enfeebling Blood on the human player - the player will always use it better than a hero, and that's important because of how much damage it reduces. I'd just drop Weaken Armor, but put it on a hero if you really want it. Too many res skills imo. Use 1 or 2, but 3 is abit overkill. At least put Death Pact Sig on one of them. I'd take Rising Bile off the human bar - the 20secs is abit too long for PvE and the target might be dead by then, or the aoe damage won't even do anything by the time it does trigger....Replace with Putrid Bile. Replace the Res too....the human player should be taking advantage of all 8 skills, not 7 + a res. Not sure about Rotting Flesh - I never liked it in PvE, but I also haven't tried it out for a Discord team build, so I can't really comment on it. A few people bash Discord in PvE for being single-target damage, but it's also in a line with plenty of aoe. The human bar can change to something else and bring more aoe if needed. The strength of high single-target damage is being able to kill specific threats alot easier in HM. P A R A S I T I C 07:35, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

^^What he said. Rotting Flesh is good though, as most PvE enemies aren't human, meaning no drawback. Plus it helps getting conditions on every, thus making Discord almost unconditional. But, in all honesty, Sab-way is much better.--Fallen (talk) 12:37, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Indeed, as opposed to Dorks, oops, Droks who trolls vengeance in pvp builds in a time of heavy enchantment removal meta in pve the skill after it's buff would prove very helpful as it unconditionally resurrects with full health and energy preventing further dp also, it is good. As for enfeebling on the second nec indeed, I doubt heroes chaining this skill well infact you invest alot of points in curses for the sake of one skill having a curse necro elready. --Tiger grrr!! 12:46, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Discord teams arn't really comparable to "Sabway" (which really is just a compiled setup of old builds) in anyway, except that there's 3 necs. Sabway relies alot more on minions to do damage. It has almost no direct damage at all. SS is pretty bad on a hero since they'll rarely ever use it on the best targets. With Discord x3, you have pretty much enough damage to pick out any enemy from a mob and have it dead right there. P A R A S I T I C 17:10, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

Well, I run DB/MB on my sin, and coupled with Sab's stuff and physical henches, I clear mobs before Crit Agility recharges. That's really all I care about. I just don't see Discord having the same affect. I'm all for trying it when my account is unbanned, but I'm always going to abide by some variation of Sab's build.--Fallen (talk) 23:31, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

I'll give this variant a try soon, looks odd but who knows,could be just as effective or even better! Watch me work it 15:51, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

An x/A with Assassin's Promise should be just as good, or even better in some situations....Cry of Pain spam > mobs. An Assacaster could also fit the role and would still have it's 2ndary open. P A R A S I T I C 00:01, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

This really works out very well, you only need the first 3 skills and hero's will finish it, as for bosses, it still lasts long enough :), i'll give it a try with putrid explosion soon Smurf Minions 05:34, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

But Just use N/Rt healers, that works way better than healing prayer N/Mo. Watch me work it 12:44, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Do not hack your game

Prot - 9+1 on a primary necromancer would be impossible without hacking the game I assume, unfortunately it is against the rules. :) --Tiger grrr!! 12:50, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Did anyone who rated it 0-1 actually tried it?

As i see, you guys think it's 'sabway' with discord as elite, it isn't as it's a normal minion bomber with 2 half n/rt healers from HA, nothing sab's on that. Smurf Minions 15:23, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

yeh people crying about single target damage < Aoe clearly haven't tried this.Watch me work it 15:53, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

The people complaining about single-target damage don't seem to know what Death Nova or Putrid Bile do. If you don't want minions, Putrid Explosion whoops pretty hard too. The people trying to compare this to Sabway have never stepped into HA. P A R A S I T I C 00:01, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Variant

I've been trying some things with the Assassin's Promise variant and i figured out that his works the best:

The 3 curses spells on the main player are more a backup, you need only the first 4 skills, the rest is obvious :) Smurf Minions 04:17, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Looks good, heroes know how to use Dwayna's Sorrow? Watch me work it 05:11, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Yup, they use it on minions and when they go boom you get 20 health for each minion that was effected :) Smurf Minions 06:59, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

One Putrid Bile is enough imo. Watch me work it 07:30, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

You get more AoE with 2 putrids as it has 12 seconds recharge Smurf Minions 08:04, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

I suggest making this variant the main build, it's better in most situations, and though I don't agree entirely on the skills on the heroes, thats just detail. Watch me work it 13:53, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

Just did Ring of Fire HM with this build and it worked very well! I even wasn't infused and had no big problems :D 78.49.29.192 16:55, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Yet another "Variant"

OKhere's what I've been using since... well it's been a long time. But anyway, it is way more aggressive than the build with the 2 N/rts (I don't know why there is 2 TBH but w/e).

Mind bender is optional really but I really like how fast things go with it. It can tank a lot, and even one of the MM's death isn't a critical mistake. Since most of the builds posted here seem to focus on fleshy areas, malign intervention is totally the way to go if you want a hex. You get a hex, 20% reduction, a minion for 5e, and if it dies, soul reaping. You can even cast assassin's promise at the end of a fight if you haven't on the last mob, just be carefull not to turn it ally then. Note that this build totally sucks in non fleshy area, and it was not designed for that anyway. I know, Vengeance, but it used to be a res sig so replace it if needed. I never use the res sig either so it could be replaced by whatever. 88.169.112.155 06:43, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

I stopped looking after seeing you had Vengeance... Godbox 06:55, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

And thats why I said you could replace it by whatever res you want. 88.169.112.155 09:24, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

2 N/Rt is a win/win situation, killing isn't a problem so why not bring some more heals yeh?, and bring you move like a dwarf it's one of the best skills in-game especially if you can spam it every 3 sec orso. Watch me work it 06:17, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

MM

Get rid of Dwayna's Sorrow, just use the Sabway MM layout.--RELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 20:59, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Player

The build is impossible without the hacking again :P 4 pve skills in 1 bar isnt possible without hacking —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.203.43.44 (talk • contribs) .

Fixed. Godbox 07:14, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Smooth criminal in warriors optional skills is impossible as well. Gunnm 12:57, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Variant

Just keep the heroes the same and let the player choose his primary and secondary, make it more like a group of heroes kinda like sabway that vanquish anything, just get rid of the build that the player should use and add it in variants, cause i think it would be better if it wasnt a necro build, but a hero build, other wise you could just title this Build: N/any Discord Spam Team.--Fire File:Mudkip.png Tock ^{herd yuo liek mudkipz.} 18:46, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

I agree with that, as i use a N/A (player) just for assassins promise, and watch me and i thought about other things with other professions that are also nice. Smurf Minions 03:36, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

I say leave it as it is, if people cant figure out that they can change a build in the team they shouldent get a better build. I'm using Me/Any for DW and it kills faster ^^ Dumazz 11:38, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Phantom Pain + Shatter delusions can be painfull too, and with that you still have alot of place for almost anything :), as i said, the player has alot of room for his own ideas, you probably don't even need to take something that synchronizes with the build, only need to call a target (though bringing up a hex+condition at a target + calling it works good) Smurf Minions 12:11, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

ok, then i'l just put in variants that you dont need to be a primary necro and can just use the heroes with another build.--Fire File:Mudkipz TNP.gif Tock ^{herd yuo liek mudkipz.} 09:40, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

My bar if anyone need it

Just use 2 for a hex, and to speed up the next spells, then 3 or 4 followed by 5 for a condition. 6 and 7 is just extra hexes and E-management Dumazz 04:16, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

What if we just put in a bar for every profession? Smurf Minions 06:01, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Ooh, i got the perfect one,

--Fire File:Mudkipz TNP.gif Tock ^{herd yuo liek mudkipz.} 09:38, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

or you could just do this...

<pvxbig> [build prof=any/N death=12 cur=12][Discord][Necrosis][Pain Inverter][Shadow of Fear][Enfeebling Blood][Weaken Armor][Mindbender][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig> --Fire File:Mudkipz TNP.gif Tock ^{herd yuo liek mudkipz.} 09:40, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
Because thats going to work with non primary necros, 14 death magic.

yeah-huh!!!!

This is pretty much what i have been running on my (primary necro) to vanquish eye of the north + some of the dungeons and it is working great :) Once you are runed up and off into battle you wont regret it... T1Cybernetic 06:36, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

other professions

hey guys I use a paragon ALWAYS. I vanquish alot and do guardian, and im getting bored of sab-way and paraway. This build has been looking pretty interesting to me, but i dont want to waste money getting my heroes runes and equipment for the discord spam build because I am not sure how well it will work if I am running a paragon primary (always an imbagon). That any/N bar above will probably not work cause paragons dont have good energy management without shouts, so I was wondering if one of you might be able to post a paraogn build for me. ThanksKlomi 13:51, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

give your heroes some hexes like suffering and Parasitic bond so you only have to take care of the conditions, barbed spear could be good. Watch me work it 04:07, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

Another Variant, Dervish/Necro Specifically

I love using this build with my Necro primary character, however my Dervish is whom I have worked the most on and wanted to use this build with said toon. And this is purely as an alternative to the */N Discord spammer above since I haven't finished Factions and couldn't be bothered to pay for an Elite Tome for Discord.

<pvxbig> [build prof=D/N myst=10+1 cur=12 scythe=8+1][Avatar of Lyssa][Enfeebling Blood][Weaken Armor][Shadow of Fear][Mindbender][Pain Inverter][Eternal Aura][Faithful Intervention][/build] </pvxbig>

So, I guess this variant (along with a +15 staff with 20% Ench / +30 depending on your choice of flavour) gives the derv an abundance of energy, and ability to recharge AoL quickly to keep up the mana count. That and enchants running out = more energy back and minor healing. And a bit more oomph to attacks if you decide to swap out to a Scythe when energy runs a bit dry. Just a thought. Sureshot 19:21, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

I recommend using withering aura. especially on a dervish powered by enchants. Bring mystic sweep then 88.169.112.155 05:26, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Asuran Scan

0 sec cast. Phys clases got a good hex to use with this now. P A R A S I T I C 20:25, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Imo you should change the human to x/A and have assassin's promise, YMLaD, and Finish him, and suggest options for the open skills, considering that would work on almost any class Driggy 19:52, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

we all know that, but smurf minions is lazy and so is everyone else.Watch me work it 06:06, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

lol alright, just trying to help and it did look like it had already been suggested enough times... dunno why i took the time to edit but i did anyways (boredom) Driggy 00:20, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

You can edit yourself you know? :P Smurf Minions 05:43, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Optionals

I've edited the players bar, and posted some options for the primary profession, if you have anymore ideas just add them. Smurf Minions 05:59, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

What about replacing "You Move Like a Dwarf!" with Technobabble? Ghostwheel 00:08, 11 December 2008 (EST)

HERO

tag should be added since it is more of a hero team then a player team Majikmajikmajik 22:55, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Build:N/any Hybrid MoP MM

Would synergize greatly with this team and a party full of physicals. I is *Jebus*Enter my contests! 15:42, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

would also sync with the ebon assassins Majikmajikmajik 22:45, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

The Ebon Sin has horrible AI - if you cast it on somethin that's adjacent to another enemy, the chances of it attacking your target are really really low. So it actually has bad synergy with MoP. I stopped using it cause of that. If you're playing as primary Nec, you can bring MoP yourself since it'll be recharged by AP. Without it, the 20sec recharge on it is pretty bad. Even worse on a hero. If you really wanna use it, just drop the Restor points from one of the necs and spec into Curses then add it along with Enfeebling Blood. P A R A S I T I C 18:30, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Easy caller for any professions

"You Move Like a Dwarf!" + Assassin's Promise can be used on any profession to make a strong caller. All the other player builds on this page are too energy intensive for Warriors and Paragons. Teutonic 16:33, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

This is meant for casters. If you're a Warrior, you should just run Sabway. If you're a Paragon, run Racnothway. -- Guild of Deals 16:35, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Withering Aura + Asuran Scan. Now melee classes can run Discord heroes. Btw, Sab/Racway are far from being the best choices. P A R A S I T I C 06:27, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

sub par bars

Animate shambling horrors??? Because even if you micro it, competing for bodies with the MM is a good thing, right? Variant at best. Enfeebling blood is easily better than rotting flesh, and only 9 resto???? And why is there no fish hex? No foul feast. 1 MBaS is not enough...--72.130.220.204 19:44, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

There are too many complaints about this build being too energy intensive for Paragons and Warriors. If it is not for Paragons and Warriors please dont fake it and state that it is for ALL PROFESSIONS, otherwise do some energy calculations and convince us how all 3 10e PvE skills can work for my them. This is obviously a caster build, my warrior doesn't need all these minion protection because he would be in the front lines. And no enfeebling blood and splinter weapon? There are too many problems with this build. DarkSpirit 11:42, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Haven't you heard? Warriors with staves are the new meta!! Oh and yeh, fuck minions!! We don't want no attacking wall protecting the rest of the team! The worior will tank everything! WORIORS RULE PVE AND PVP!!! I SOLO WHOLE PVE CAMPAIGN WITH MY WORIOR! Taking minions would make the other warriors think we are pussies anyway —SazzyPooh11:53, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Ah..I should have used a staff on my warrior for this build to work. LOL! DarkSpirit 20:32, 12 November 2008 (EST)

cleanup

done some but not sure about the enite optionals section for the caller, pretty much every single skill in game can be chucked in there so is there any point having that section? --204.8.156.142 07:31, 16 November 2008 (EST)

paragon = warrior's nrg?

u don't say anything about warrior being bad to go with the build, but you say that paragons isn't recomended? they have same nrg (max and reg). plus, a paragon can take some shouts/shants to help the nrg a little, but a warrior... well i don't really know but i think that paragon would be more to recomend then warrior. but thats maby just me :P

if it's "you move like a dwarf" thats the nrg prob why not take "your all weaklings"? no dmg but it's a condition. now you don't going to tell me that my brother can't use this build with his para, "mister person who is going to coment me" ;)--80.73.58.222 12:55, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Wow. Kabu To 16:59, 22 November 2008 (EST)

11-10-8-8

is not possible. I generally like the changes, but that needs to be fixed. 10-10-8-8? Also paragon does work. TNtF as the 3rd optional, furious spear and either energizing chorus or GftE as E-management. --Thc 12:08, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Optionals

Optional section for caller needs to be removed. People fit all sort of shit in the 5 optional slots availible. No you dont need assassin or sniper supports. --Anonimous. 10:08, 29 November 2008 (EST)

I've tried both with and without Assassin Support, and it makes a whole lotta difference. First off, it's a decent damage spike, often dealing ~80 damage even in HM. Second, it knock-locks the enemy--I've caught mesmers in HM mid-casting Cry of Frustration by chaining "You Move Like a Dwarf!" with Assassin Support. Third, it's an expendable ally--in HM, all the nukes are gonna come down as soon as someone's in the aggro bubble. If the assassin takes the heat, you have an expendable corpse, AND the assasin's taken hundreds of damage instead of a team member as all spikes concentrate on him. And finally, he body-blocks a bit, which can give you the few seconds which make the difference between life and death in HM. All in all, Assassin Support feels like the best choice all-around for the fourth slot. Ghostwheel 14:57, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Problem with D-way.

Two/Three skills on each bar, every thing else is sandbox. THERE IS NO GENERIC BUILD! --Anonimous. 18:44, 3 December 2008 (EST)

These bars are really not that good. 71.175.59.85 14:08, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Varient

Idk

Haven't tried it yet but idk Shazam's My Ho (Cuz I'm Roflrockets) 22:18, 29 December 2008 (EST)

another variant for player

<pvxbig> [build prof=any/a deadly=12 dagger=12][assassin's promise][shadow fang]["you move like a dwarf!"][falling lotus strike][death blossom]["i am the strongest!"][Optional][resurrection signet][/build] </pvxbig> this build kills faster than the the one on main page and is nrg friendly for all proffesions expect war and para. 4got to sign above.--Da Blue User Is Blue is looking for TA/HA guild 16:39, 2 January 2009 (EST)

not as universal 16:47, 2 January 2009

how so? it needs no crit strikes for nrg which makes the build doable for every proffesion, exepct war and para ofc b/c of there nrg regen.--Da Blue User Is Blue is looking for TA/HA guild 17:01, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Going into melee range with a flimsy caster in HM makes me kinda go "ugh". Better off staying at range and letting the minions take the aggro IMO. Ghostwheel 14:53, 6 January 2009 (EST)

By "kills faster" do you mean not at all? EVAS alone replaces half your bar AND is unblockable + knocklock. Also, the above bar assumes exceedingly slow kills. --User:Thc 15:02, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Meekness > Shadow of Fear

Sure it has high energy cost and 17% sacrifice but it is "all foes in the area", with this amount of minnions and Soul Reaping the Necromancer will be sure to have enough energy. And this teambuild should be able to outheal the 17% sacrifice easily on its own. 62.45.134.148 05:25, 5 February 2009 (EST)

To be honest the only reasons i choose shadow of fear over meekness is because i usually ball enemies into groups where possible to kill a bit easier and faster plus it is cheaper in energy cost and a tad more spammable in areas with hex removal ;) T1Cybernetic 06:39, 5 February 2009 (EST)

necro caller

if taking discord...do you just replace assassins promise? and take some aoe hex/conditions in optional slots? Illoyon 20:42, 5 February 2009 (EST)

No, you take assassin's promise. It's very rare that AP is not your best option, even against hex removal or healers. If you really, really don't want to take AP take necrosis and don't waste attribute points. --User:Thc 21:14, 5 February 2009 (EST)

Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support

i read this could be used as a tank...but the enemys just ignore it...so what i am doing wrong? Illoyon 08:33, 9 February 2009 (EST)

the enemies aren't going to suddenly change target if the aggro is already on you. if you start the battle by casting one then back off and let the enemies surround it..? .. and watch it get raped. tbh I think it's just someone theorycrafting, but I could be wrong. ---Chaos- 09:33, 9 February 2009 (EST)

I've seen it work, although it dies in like 1 second literally. Just enough time for the minions to march in and take aggro. Tbh, it's only really useful against heavy AoE. --User:Thc 14:15, 9 February 2009 (EST)

Those sins still soak aggro rather well it doesnt mean that everything would rush to attack them though. --Anonimous. D: 14:24, 9 February 2009 (EST)

If you cast it on the closest target, then yes, everything will attack it, since nothing else is in range. But it dies in literally 1 sec or less, so the usefulness is questionable --User:Thc 16:15, 9 February 2009 (EST)