True DF Honor. — Skakid 21:20, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Standardness ftw--Goldenstar 21:30, 1 June 2008 (EDT)
Why balanced when you can name it DF honor or eurospike. Fishels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 12:24, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
You can easily play this without spiking. — Skakid 15:27, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
This is still prty much eurospike. Fishels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 14:22, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
Only if you play it like eurospike. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 14:23, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
Shard storm + F-gust + Shackles? I think you'd better take shackles + fgust, with something like... rend? —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:08, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
Yea, just a waste of space, could atleast use rend or leave as utility...--Relyk Purifying Veil SigRELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 02:59, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Are two guardians needed, or just there for the tons of melee out there?--Relyk Purifying Veil SigRELYK ʞlɐʇ ʎɯ 22:19, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
2 guardians are needed in the current meta... —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 04:46, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Current Balanced

Runs a fast caster snarer, change mebe? Frosty No U! 14:47, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Nope. This is the general balanced build, not a fotm counter for the general balanced build. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 14:48, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

mebbe swap current mesmer build for ineptitude? seen a lot of the top guilds running it instead of your current one

Ineptitude mesmers are for shitters who suck at using guardian--GoldenGoldenstarStar 20:10, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Missing elementalist

The Elementalist build and build code is missing in the lower part of the build. --Dark AuraDeathwearer 15:21, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Someone changed it to 'Change to Fc Snare' so i have for the fact a build there is better than text saying change, not sure if fc snare is balanced though.Funking Hostile 15:58, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Waste not Want <> P-Drain

Seen most ppl run Waste since they dont need to swap targets etc, not sure thou whats best - Pdrain = 16enj 20sec and u must interrupt while Waste is about 9enj each 15sec whit just hitting a warrior who is snared..Massive Image-Massive Sig 06:11, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Hitting pdrain is hard, makes you camp monks and position bad. It's just not beneficial as me/e. Take want not waste not. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 06:04, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Imo the hottest combination is that ether phantom drain delusions beauty. not the best emanagement but an amazinggg offesne effect.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 18:42, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
It really comes down to preference. Drain and Ether Phantom/Drain Delusions are quite easy, P-Drain and WNWNT are a little harder. --GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 18:43, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Willing to buy a screen shot of somebody actually running power drain on the fast cast mesmer bar. I've honestly never seen it, but apparently somebody thinks that's the standard. Pluto 19:37, 6 October 2008 (EDT) edit: pref. somebody that actually counts too, not just a screenshot of yourself running it.

You just need to know that it is an energy management skill that can't be interrupted or stripped. Which is pretty strong in my - no wait - everyone's opinion Jonas 20:40, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

monks attributes

hex breaker says 25 and 30 secounds with only 2 and 3 dom magic. Unless there has a been a recent change in the last week your duration is messed up. 3 dom is needed to keep hex breaker at 15. other than that this build is fine. If i were running id drop recup for life, but preference is preference.

Check AN, its a known bug --FrostyMini england 20:36, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Aegis or Hex Breaker

Leaving it optionall...Massive Image-Massive Sig 17:16, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Soory on the build swapping tought i was on another side :> Massive Image-Massive Sig 18:08, 12 December 2008 (EST)

It's been like 1 day. Give it a while. On the first day of the other big buff people were running WE Scythes. --GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 18:17, 12 December 2008 (EST)
Methinks Hex Breaker, since the current meta IS Hexgay. --Ulterion 22:51, 26 December 2008 (EST)


in the flagger's build's name was written "caretaker's charge", but at the top of the page and the elite was actually "hidden caltrops", i fixed that :D

if you were an anon I'd have told you that you are a strong anon. But you're not an anon. Brandnew. 22:53, 26 December 2008 (EST)


Yeah my ass Lingering Curse comes under:

A GvG team capable of adapting to many situations and outplaying gimmicky opponents through player skill and good tactics.

(player skill) haha any noob can run lingering curse and win. 05:48, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Bitchrole FrostrageFrosty po! 06:30, 28 December 2008 (EST)
Somebody doesn't grasp the concept of positioning.PikaFan19x19px 22:06, 27 December 2008 (EST) 06:58, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Ling curs-way actually sorta isn't that balanced, it's just blowup degen(according that your ranger spams hunter's+savage well). —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 07:48, 31 December 2008 (EST)

The definition of balanced would be an adaptable build that can perform well in pretty much any situation, changing the water mes to a necro doesn't change that, it just gives you more pressure at the cost of some defense. Cute McMonkeyTab 07:49, 31 December 2008 (EST)
Ling curs preforms only well in 8v8 ;/ —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 06:24, 1 January 2009 (EST)
Then why is it so popular in TA?-- 17:59, 16 January 2009 (EST)
That's cause people in TA are too lazy to take a real elite(WoD). Look in the hands of a amazing necro and say again then. WoD simply is too powerful, but it's really hard to use. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 15:10, 21 April 2009 (UTC)



Try Rohypnol

Support Rit

...instead of Dom Mesmer? Was very popular in the last mAT... --Melvelet 07:51, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Thats Rawrspike FrostrageFrosty po! 08:18, 4 February 2009 (EST)
Oh, I'd better be quiet now...^^--Melvelet 10:10, 4 February 2009 (EST)

update to reflect the LoDsmite/SF meta or make a new page? nvm I'm a retarded GvG'r ---Chaos- 11:48, 12 February 2009 (EST)

HC Flagger Nerfed

Update/Archive? Toraen 05:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

You can't archive balanced. Just rewrite the build JonasGWWAvatar Jonas 03:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Why don't you put the dps on bsurge and flesh on the war? ele has already specced into resto. --Mel Ve Let 16:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


FC LoD is seeing more play than bsurge lately, sometimes a kappa spiker instead.--Goldenstar 21:02, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

... Rawrawr Dinosaur 15:10, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


for current balanced. Frostysig9000FrostytheAdmin 10:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

^ Again on the 27th--Goldenstar 04:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Wait...people actually use Elite Rip Enchantment??--Ikimono"My beard is thick."Monk-Paragon-icon 06:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Rip is almost better if bleeding doesn't get removed. LifeWikiLOD7 07:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Corrupt is fucking amazing. --Frosty Mc Admin 09:32, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Corrupt is pretty amazing. --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 10:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Also Life, the fact that bleeding is a condition means it will probably just get RCed off for redbar. CE is amazing because it can either cover an important hex, be the only hex on somebody and be a wasted remove, or deal a fair bit of degen (and with poison it will be maxed out) --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 10:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
csg :> --Frosty Mc Admin 10:56, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Forgot to mention, against spikes teams it's sexy because you can rape the water ele even if he has AoR as a cover with Rip + CE. --Crowels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 11:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Water Ele Taken Out?

Can someone explain this change? The water from before could still aid spikes but help snare and hex up frontline. Is going pure damage going to help more?--Xamoro 19:28, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


This build isnt balanced any more,its Crybuild. Balanced should be able to win vs. anything but this build isnt(dual para).


@Raping the runner attributes. Is there really nothing we can do to save the poor... guy? ---Chaos- 17:26, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

That's standard E/Rt attributes for Freezing Gust, and Freezing Gust > all. Although I said in variants you can use a different runner. --Frosty Mc Admin 17:47, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
Figured it'd be fine, but it looks so ugly. ---Chaos- 18:14, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
Ups, I misread air for water and vice versa. Call it being bad if you wish. ---Chaos- 19:31, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Defy Pain

Seeing some defy pain axes over hammer warriors. Makes a nice split char and let's you perma frenzy at stand through a spike meta.--TahiriVeila 17:47, November 16, 2009 (UTC)


What? —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş Grinshpon blinky cake 21:07, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

when your prot has deep wound covered by poison, you need draw. Gringo 22:15, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
b/c he's going to draw himself, c?--TahiriVeila 23:00, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
harhar. fixed. Gringo 00:09, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
So splits are even more dead? —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş Grinshpon blinky cake 01:34, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
distortion, dwayna's touch, and immolate all got nerfed, and but splits are still fairly common. not all teams run draw, its just a better stand skill, which is what most teams run (dual ranger or dual paragon). Gringo 01:50, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Patient Spirit nerf

I think it killed this build. I just watched #23 almsot get stomped by a triple Ele team, the #23 of which was using the typical 2 monk backline and a Mesmer with WoH. Mayhaps it's too early, but I'm so very glad the meta is finally shifting. 06:27, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

wat --Frosty Frostcharge 10:31, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
I've seen this build, almost invariably, played by every Guild under 100 rank and it's gotten boring. Now with Patient Spirit's healing reduced, it's not the same skill it used to be and this entire team build's structure suffers for it. The example I mentioned had to compensate so much for it, that it was hardly recognizable. #23 had taken a hench into a ranked GvG match, if you need any other proof of it. I'd be glad if this finally died. 19:17, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
Mesmer with WoH, I'm pretty sure that you weren't obsing balanced. --Crow 19:44, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
ps got nerfed ? o.o --Lusciious 22:31, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Updated 1/31/10

--TahiriVeila 20:59, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Dual Axe and LoD? Definetly should mention at least having a Me/E instead of the LoD or a MoI Ele. --Frosty Frostcharge 08:22, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
Are people still running MoI eles? Tyrael Life Sheath No way! 12:53, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
Not all the time, but still occassionally --Frosty Frostcharge 12:56, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
Thats weird, isnt it like inferior to FC water mesmers now? Tyrael Life Sheath No way! 13:41, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
We still run MoI and I can't remember our last loss with it (other than people being retarded, but that's nothing to do with MoI!). --Crow 16:00, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
I think that some sort of other defensive midline instead of the LoD should at least be mentioned (FC Snare,Bsurge Water hybrid,MoI), as I've seen some guilds running Bsurge Snare and other builds and I've got to say it works quite well and not necceserly worse then LoD.Dino Dave 16:17, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


Warriors definately need a large update, the first one anyway, maybe the second one too. what do you think of the axe build with Soldier's Stance? Dino Dave 12:02, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Soldier's stance didn't get change in pvp nobr. PR is fine still--TahiriVeila 12:09, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
Evissss. --Brandnew 12:51, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
Most likely, i'll keep an eye out for the next few days and update this once a new standard becomes apparent--TahiriVeila 03:56, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Updated 3/3/10

Swapped bsurge for bloodspam necro, primal express changed for shock axe. Added equipment and usages, can't believe this page didn't have them--TahiriVeila 22:35, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

why does this team have a bloodspam? so it can not split a midliner ever? ··· Danny So Cute 09:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Well it doesn't really matter since no one is playing balanced atm anyway so no true balanced exists right now. The closest is trip melee. And Me/N or ranger split just fine =\ --TahiriVeila 15:08, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
Me/N can't split for shit. It has no damage or self-sustainability unless you're calling Life Siphon self-sustainability. =p splitting a ranger works ofc, but if you want to split more than 1, you're pretty much shit out of luck. ··· Danny So Cute 15:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
If you're actually sending a Me/N on split (I'm not sure why you would unless you were desperate for a kill), you will be sending a warrior + ranger with it at least, and 90% of the time when you're doing a serious split with those 2 you will send a runner or in rarer cases maybe the prot; self-sustainability no longer beecomes an issue. Midliners in the past haven't really been focused on splitting, b surges weren't often pushed to bases offensively, nor were FC Me/Es, LC necros, or any others. The only exception is MB, although I can't remember it being the most common midliner in balanced (I might just be remembering stuff wrong though!). Possibly MoI too, which dealt a lot of damage, although even that was more often used to snare up people collapsing to base. So unless I have misunderstood your point, it doesn't matter if the Me/N has a lot of damage or self-sustainability in split situations, most midliners never have. --Crow 15:58, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
Well, my main point is that your weren't going to be killing shit with it, really. However, I've always figured a MB or MoI ele to be run, either of which has at least Aura to push some red bar, and possibly DTouch. If you're running anything else, you probably aren't splitting at all. ··· Danny So Cute 16:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Crow pretty much got it. With the exception of mind blast, caster midliners have never really split unless it's endgame and you're lordrushing. I guess I was thinking in terms of a defensive split, the me/n falling back to support a flagger. But even that doesn't make a lot of sense now that I think about it xD--TahiriVeila 16:20, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Rit Lord Runner

Anybody else think it would work for this? JaxBig boom 15:59, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

It would but meta runner = Shackles --Frosty Frostcharge 16:20, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Jatt Kittenstomper O.o

really?-- 15:16, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. --Briar User Briar Sig1Flame Me 16:47, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
Are you suggesting there's something wrong with jatt kittenstomper?--TahiriVeila 18:14, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
Speaking of Jatt Kittenstomper, is Jatt a reference to the Terrorist organisation? or is it just a random word they plopped in the front of the Kittenstomper name? O.o??? --Briar User Briar Sig1Flame Me 18:26, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
Have you ever obsed a match, ever? Jatt is one of the most famous hammer warriors in gws history. He was the core hammer for rawr and helped carry them to 13 golds with his euro-spiking, protknocking tactics.--TahiriVeila 20:50, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
Tbh if im going to spend a couple hours staring at a screen (not playing a game) then i would rather watch TV. Thats not to say ive never Obs'd before. But I don't do it often. And famous GW'ers don't really affect me. The only famous GW persona I give a shit about is Wyte Rabbit tbh. --Briar User Briar Sig1Flame Me 22:02, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
who?--TahiriVeila 22:12, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
Ask Life. He can tell you I'm sure. --Briar User Briar Sig1Flame Me 22:54, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
Sounds familiar but I'm blanking on who it is. Life Guardian 15:39, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
Something tells me briar wasn't talking about me. Life Guardian 16:30, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

recent changes

anyone c/d that the recent edits reflect the meta? ··· Danny So Cute 17:17, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Dont really see anybody running balanced atm.. trip melee pressure is as balanced as ive been seeing tbh.. --Steamy..x
^ No one runs DF honour in this meta, or even dom balance.--TahiriVeila 18:01, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Hundred Blades Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Seeping Wound Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Magebane Shot Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Mirror of Ice Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Barbs Pain of Disenchantment Ether Phantom Drain Delusions Optional Optional Optional Optional
Restore Condition Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Word of Healing Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Healer&#039;s Boon Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional

That's the closest to balanced I have seen in a while, I would write it up on the page, but not sure if it's worth it right now because it is likely that the update will nerf Seeping Wound (if it doesn't then lol). --Frosty Frostcharge 17:50, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

SW isnt being nerfed unfortunately. --Steamy..x 18:10, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
Well, not on the next update anyway. --Steamy..x 18:10, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
Did they say that, it would make sense for them not to mention it, because it is A-net. --Frosty Frostcharge 18:11, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
Nope they didnt mention it. --Steamy..x 18:13, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
It would make equal sense for them to just ignore it until sometime next year. ··· Danny So Cute 20:28, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Leave balanced alone or even archive it. There's no one playing DF honour or dom dalance--TahiriVeila 20:31, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Magehunter&#039;s Smash Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Seeping Wound Eviscerate Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Crippling Shot Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Mind Blast Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Word of Censure Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Restore Condition Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Word of Healing Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Healer&#039;s Boon Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
?--Amor Accelerated Growth 22:03, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
Not balanced, not being played--TahiriVeila 22:24, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
It pretty much is balanced. --Crow 22:44, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
zzz i guess you could call it balanced. I generally tend to think of the two "balanced" builds as df honour and dom balanced but w/e. Also no one runs magehunters, rarely evisc or WoC =P
if by no-one you mean [sup] smurf then yes you're right. --Amor Accelerated Growth 22:54, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
lol and after [Book] (rank 6) get beaten by [sup] they use the very same build the next round. Albeit with an extra SW sin over the MB ele. But that's the nature of balanced, you don't have a rigid set of builds, you change your mid/frontline depending on the situation, and this is the closest I've seen to being balanced recently. --Amor Accelerated Growth 23:05, May 4, 2010 (UTC) Gringo 23:27, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
By that logic armor, balanced would be better of as a guide than a build. --Steamy..x 17:13, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
When an update comes out to fix shit (if ever) then balanced (proper balanced) will probably see play. At the moment it's just, Seeping Wound, fast cast mesmer, defencedefencedefence. --Frosty Frostcharge 17:45, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
is fc prot back in the game? i'm surprised it didn't start seeing play as soon as interrupt bots got into the game. ··· Danny So Cute 03:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Not back. --Steamy..x 11:04, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Really need archiving until there is some kind of balanced that actually works in this meta.. =/ --Steamy..x 22:28, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Ups frosty got around to updating this before me--TahiriVeila 23:31, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Change build to reflect new meta

Dismember Agonizing Chop Thrill of Victory &quot;Coward!&quot; &quot;Fear Me!&quot; Frenzy Rush Resurrection Signet
Devastating Hammer Crushing Blow Hammer Bash Bull&#039;s Strike Flail Enraging Charge Protector&#039;s Strike Death Pact Signet
Crippling Shot Energy Surge Lingering Curse Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Mind Wrack Energy Surge Overload Wastrel&#039;s Demise Shatter Enchantment Ether Phantom Drain Delusions Death Pact Signet
Mind Wrack Energy Surge Overload Wastrel&#039;s Demise Shatter Enchantment Ether Phantom Drain Delusions Flesh of My Flesh
Reversal of Fortune Aegis Restore Condition Guardian Shielding Hands Aura of Stability Holy Veil Balanced Stance
Patient Spirit Infuse Health Word of Healing Signet of Rejuvenation Draw Conditions Guardian Cure Hex Disciplined Stance
Healer&#039;s Boon Heal Party Mending Touch Cure Hex Patient Spirit Guardian Glyph of Lesser Energy Storm Djinn&#039;s Haste

--Amor Accelerated Growth 02:41, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

we wouldn't put this on the balanced page, 2 dom mesmer spike shittery is the opposite of balanced. Gringo 03:47, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
Not to mention the fact that making any changes to GvG before the mAT (while meta still hasn't solidified) is a pretty bad idea. Honestly we should just split GvG balanced into Dom balanced and DF honour as they're the only real balanced builds that are ever run and they never really change --TahiriVeila 05:32, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
no one runs df honor why would we post it...Gringo 05:34, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
No one runs dom balanced either. When balanced builds see play both usually get about the same amount of playtime. Tbh you wouldn't even need a new page since Team - GvG Paragon Balance is basically DF honour. Just rename that one DF honour and rename this page dom balanced. GG! If this makes no sense i'm sorry. I just got in and it's quarter of two and i'm a little a drunk--TahiriVeila 05:43, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


water ele + damage mesmer, will update later --Lemming 06:00, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

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