Talk: Team - HA IWAY

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~~easily counters teaseway with 3 5 second casts which provide half of it's pressure eh?^_^ Brandnew. 08:21, 13 February 2009 (EST)~~

all of which are not spells. Brandnew. 08:21, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Tease and CoF work on skills, dum nob. Ricky vantof 08:23, 13 February 2009 (EST)

^^^ two skills, not everyone brings cof either. and u have oath shot.. ..LJ.. 08:29, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Usually 2Tease and 1CoF. Fire Magic fucks over your spirits, too. Ricky vantof 08:33, 13 February 2009 (EST)

no, fire magic doesnt. Only a dipshit would put spirits anywhere near each other ..LJ.. 08:37, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Most eles bring 3 Heats. crazy

cow 08:41, 13 February 2009 (EST)

an ele who wastes all their skills trying to kill spiri will come back faster than their recharge, is dumb. well if your backline isnt dumb and doesnt stand in the middle of everything. ..LJ.. 08:50, 13 February 2009 (EST)

An ele who keeps the spirits down is smart by crippling the healers preventing condition removal, and large heals without drawbacks.--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon

08:58, 13 February 2009 (EST)

"If you see a build submitted by Lukejohnson, I strongly suggest that you trash vote it because it's probably terrible." ---Ch aos- 08:53, 13 February 2009 (EST)

like the LA sin? ..LJ.. 08:55, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Obvious build was obvious. Brandnew. 09:00, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Lol, an ele just targetting your spirits is actually very smart, as the spirits are ALL your pressure and ALL your defense (well, your n/rt's rely on them) Ricky vantof 09:09, 13 February 2009 (EST)

they're ele rits. ---Ch aos- 09:09, 13 February 2009 (EST)

...even worse Ricky vantof 09:13, 13 February 2009 (EST)

"an ele who wastes all their skills trying to kill spiri will come back faster than their recharge, is dumb. well if your backline isnt dumb and doesnt stand in the middle of everything. ..LJ.. 08:50, 13 February 2009 (EST)" What the hell? Your spirits

~~If they'd be good he wouldn't use it.~~ Ether Prism is better against team spikes than solo sinspikes. ---Ch aos- 09:20, 13 February 2009 (EST)

You have at least 4 available corpses early in the game, so not takning animate bone minions and n/rt's is just stupid. Ricky vantof 09:20, 13 February 2009 (EST)

"an ele who wastes all their skills trying to kill spiri will come back faster than their recharge, is dumb. well if your backline isnt dumb and doesnt stand in the middle of everything. ..LJ.. 08:50, 13 February 2009 (EST)" What the hell? Heats recharge faster than every spirit in that build except Life. crazycow 09:45, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Oath Shot. ---Ch aos- 09:46, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Ok, I didn't see that. But Rodgort's. crazy

cow 09:53, 13 February 2009 (EST)

An ele can spam rodgort's for a bit, but it gets energy intensive.even with gole..LJ.. 09:59, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Right about when your team is dead. ---Ch aos- 10:02, 13 February 2009 (EST)

oh. and dont gorget the -12 energy denial going around every 8~ seconds ..LJ.. 10:04, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Good thing eles have about 70 energy :> Ricky vantof 10:09, 13 February 2009 (EST)

how often do u play ele spamming rodgort's on recharge with having -12 energy on your every 8ish seconds ?..LJ.. 10:14, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Lmao? Anti-tease way where everyone gangs around 1 ele with WoS/WoW on it. ---Ch aos- 10:22, 13 February 2009 (EST)

........................... wtf? Heard of nearby range? ..LJ.. 10:25, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Nearby is the size of a ward. You assume everyone stands in 1 ward when you put it up? ---Ch aos- 14:35, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Stop being fucking retarded every single fire ele goes spirit hunting in HA. Not that it means spirit spam doesn't work. Rawrawr Dinosaur 10:44, 13 February 2009 (EST)

saw this win halls on multiple occacions, does this mean it's good or just dead hours or brave players were on it?

Yeah, even teaseway has one fire ele, and some of your spirits will get killed... mind you, if they use up their firepower on the spirits then the spirits aren't completely wasted, and once QZ is up even killing it will take more energy.

(@ Ricky) Btw, pets stopped leaving usable corpses like half a year ago, so you're gonna have a job making Bone Minions out of them... 86.31.159.72 17:18, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Aw, right, good update, fucken heroway :> Ricky vantof 08:49, 14 February 2009 (EST)

PnH+Tranq makes me sad. JebusMcPachirisu 09:36, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Yea PnH is totally for the 5 second enchantment after it cleans someone

Frosty po! 09:42, 15 February 2009 (EST)

TBH, this actually doesn't look like a bad IWAY build.--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon 10:27, 15 February 2009 (EST)

TBH, u bad. Ricky vantof 10:44, 15 February 2009 (EST)

"TBH, this actually doesn't look like a bad IWAY build." never said it was a good overall build, just a good IWAY build.--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon

11:51, 15 February 2009 (EST)

My jinglebear told me this IWAY is bad so it must be bad Ricky vantof 10:51, 15 February 2009 (EST)

A BUILD BASED AROUND GETTING YOUR PETS KILLED. WHAT. THE. FUCK. ARE YOU FUCKING NUTS??!? Ricky vantof 11:07, 15 February 2009 (EST)

That concept seemed to work pretty well for 2 years.--IkimonoNeeds more Paragon

11:52, 15 February 2009 (EST)

rhetorical conversation ftl Jebus

McPachirisu 11:24, 15 February 2009 (EST)

how do you figure? ---Ch aos- 11:27, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Honestly, I love how because LJ posts this build everyone automatically says its bad, its pretty much the biggest show of Autism I have seen on this wiki yet (aside from Amorbot Terrorize) Frosty po! 22:52, 18 February 2009 (EST)

But no! It must be bad, why would everyone then be starting to run it, and i even have a welcome template saying my builds are trash? no? ..LJ.. 05:38, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Lol this is pretty much the main meta. gogogo ^The

_Wojo 22:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

And for once this wiki had the meta build up just before it became meta. ..LJ.. 12:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I hope you find solace in the fact that one of your actions may or may not have made the game even more shit. ~

Tycn 12:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

tbh this is a great build, look at the synergies!!!! the synergies!!

No. i like IWAY. who cares if it's shit to play against, it's fun ..LJ.. 12:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

sign ffs ---Ch aos- 10:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

lots of non build related crap moved to User_talk:Lukejohnson

changed "can't touch this" to "brace yourself" on the pnh, fall back is being run as well. because tbh "can't touch this" is pretty fail on anything other than mc hammer.(now with signature)134.109.89.1 08:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

NO. but it is now with IWAY meta. And Also counter's shock on PR wars. but meh ..LJ.. 11:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

what about bull's strike on 1 warr instead of agonizing? helps a lot in general but especially chasing runners.... - 420 20:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

??? you have brage. and when they're running they aren't healing. and when they stop. you dchop ..LJ.. 20:02, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

true yes that's how it works, but u could BS & make them totally useless for 3 sec & get 3sec of free dmg/adren, then dchop immediately when they get up to heal, same difference rly but more dmg. plus like i said, makes it that much easier to catch relic/runners if u get that far/care. -

420 20:19, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Ranger

Am I missing something or are the ranger atts impossible? Would have to be exp=11, wild=11, earth=8, right? Also, I can't help but think Predatory Season would be great if it could fit, maybe instead of Tranquility? - 420 18:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. no ..LJ.. 18:49, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

iirc pred season was broken so it triggered twice when orders were up, so it's not all that good now, still good though. Maybe add veriants for dshot, the bad player pugs run dusttrap instead. Oh and weapon of shadow is prefered over li ming on the rit. 134.109.89.1 19:12, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

that's coz mi ling sucks balls. and no1 with a brain runs it. And dust trap works against all the pug enemy teams that use wars/sins to attack your spirits, oh. and against the meta. which would be IWAY ..LJ.. 19:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

So in other words, Pred Season was only used cuz of it's bugged interaction w/orders? Sry IDK cuz I only played IWAY recently w/similar setup as this page. Just seemed to me PS would be an OK fit here. -

420 18:00, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

old iway was more focused on damage overload so pred season had overall more synergie. new iway wins more because of shutdown after some time.

When you use bull's strike, it will end battle rage, making you lose all adrenaline.

Battle rage got updated lol. Rawrawr Dinosaur 20:11, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

And even better, no Bull's in the bars. ---Ch aos- 20:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

read the discussion imo134.109.89.1 21:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

That being related to what? ---Ch aos- 08:26, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

bull's strike is being discussed as an alternative in the warriors' bars, that's why the anon mentioned it. so saying it isn't in the bar(yet) doesn't make sense134.109.89.1 08:35, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

The anon sucks at inserting comments where they belong... And I don't think people run this with bstrike. 33% ims kinda does the caching of foes if necessary. ---Ch aos- 09:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Add d-shot back into the oath ranger, it's too good for fucking with ele's and ps sins that camp you. Dust trap is nice but gl using that much if you're keeping QZ up. Also, consider using natty stride over whirling defense or at least list as alternative. Great mobility skill especially with 12 in wilderness. Zero 13:00, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

First point - down to preference tbh. i would ratehr have both as optional than 1 mainbar. As dsot does little say, against iway. Dshotting their spirits does nothing. And Whirling is better, and can eb kept up almost constant, and more blockign tbh — LukeJohnson

17:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

iway still isn't that common and dshot wtfpwnz everything else(and dshot on warding still hurts), one could argue against dshot though that most people that run iway rangers can't really nail interrupts. 134.109.89.1 17:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Hard to dshot when spamming spirits, but yeah, still duable. and it is common... — LukeJohnson

17:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

lol

iway, just have to say that--Relyk 07:27, 25 February 2009 (UTC)~

HEY RELyK, YOU ARE A VERY GOOD PLAYER. Brandnew. 09:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Fk no, im terrible--Relyk 09:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Wars wasted energy

seems to me like the warriors are wasting the effects of QZ, as well as their energy . maybe they should bring an attack skill with a moderate recharge (shortened by QZ) to use their energy?Hipowi 00:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

no--Goldenstar 00:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

QZ affects IWAY and "Fear Me!", there's no reason to bring worse skills just to have "more" synergy and less energy. ---Ch aos- 07:15, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

This is crap

At the end of this day this just doesn't have nearly the same pressure the pre-nerf steady stance / fear me! IWAY had. The Oath Shot is ridiculously easy to counter and a minor annoyance at best, PnH monk is usually fairly vulnerable and doesn't contribute to offense at all and the prism healers are vulnerable too when QZ doesn't stay up. If you have decent warriors it can work...but hey this is IWAY! I think this needs to be rethought as something with para healers and a different strategy for enchantment removal, or maybe it's time to give up on trying to bring back IWAY. It's lame, it's kinda fun (in moderation) and it brings back old memories but it just doesn't work anymore... Zero.Six

Meta builds are usually ones that can be picked up by pugs and can win 1-3 matches per streak. Good people can run it and do decently well. With 4 warriors spamming edenial, interrupts, 33% ims/ias constant, you dont need a pnh to add pressure, you need it to add defense. It may be weaker then the old steady stance version, but this meta is a lot of offense (the only defense usually being foes/grasping/tease) so this can roll teams if they stay up long enough. Rawrawr Dinosaur 23:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

IWAY got nerfed to 25% IAS ;o ---Ch aos- 12:43, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

oh i guess that disproves my entire statement. Rawrawr Dinosaur 14:15, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Should I respond with sarcasm or say I was just being a strict Nazi bitch? ---Ch aos- 14:37, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Lol. IWAY is great in current meta — LukeJohnson

18:20, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Weapon of Warding got raped

Shenkie 19:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

errr.... no it didnt. You don't wow the warriors, you heal them. they have 100 base AL... you wow ranger + pnh and backline — LukeJohnson

19:36, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

SO TEMPTED TO YM. Brandnew. 19:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

What about aura of restoration? I heard 1 energy whenever u cast a spell is good, even with tranquility Shenkie 19:42, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

LOL. don't even comment on things where you obviously have no experience and can't even theorycraft — LukeJohnson

19:44, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

wow thats some good advise... That just makes no sense at all.. Shenkie 19:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Lol Luke stfu Aura is actually discussable. Smurf Ohai 19:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

no. it isn't... there's nothign to replace it with. and wow is still amazingly good. Also you'd rather take out one of the only prots in the build out to... heal yourself? as energy is fine — LukeJohnson

19:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC) — LukeJohnson

19:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

It's discussable only if you are dropping some other skill instead of wow. Wow is still guardian on steroids; without it your ether prism backline is going to drop in two seconds.

uɐɟɐʞıd 19:56, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

and no other skill is worth getting rid of. not even wos, because that's a very strong rit prot — LukeJohnson

20:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Warriors ...

Could they be, like, other kinds of warriors ? Like hammer, sword or scythe or I-dont-know-what ? Stoella 23:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

no. less damage + less intterupts (if any) — LukeJohnson

00:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

You can run normal bars (evis/earthshaker) with IWAY and pet but then you'll only get kills if your warriors aren't terrible. ~

Tycn [a] 00:10, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The fear me spamming and dchopping struff is more effective at shutting them down and then rolling — LukeJohnson

12:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Then it's still possible ... Fun builds > Lame and boring builds. 82.241.65.62 13:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

would have been interesting with old endurance... seeing as you could get a non-stance iasHipowi 01:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

pnh

needs an update imo since brace yourself doesn't work against ps sins. i suggest fall back. 217.87.217.24 20:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

i thought it was updated? and it does work. WoW should be on the guy, and then brace yourself stops the 1 hit that should go through. but yeh — LukeJohnson

20:40, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Brace doesn't work vs trampling since it's a dual attack, first hit doesn't KD but second does. Big, stop being bad and put fall back back in.--Goldenstar 21:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

You do it. You're the build master. :>

Biggles Strongfist™ Sysop 21:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

OH LOOK BIGGY! :< — LukeJohnson

21:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Luke, PvX:Chill, before I ban your ass.

Biggles Strongfist™ Sysop 21:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

yeah but i'm a lazy fuck who cba to do anything :<--Goldenstar 22:16, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Already done, sir.

Biggles Strongfist™ Sysop 22:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Wild Blow

Put Wild Blow on one of the warriors instead of agonizing to counter the resolve most SH's are running now. Losing all adrenaline isn't going to matter much with battle rage, it's better to be able to d-chop / d-shot some of their nukes so spirits stay up a little longer. Zero.Six 14:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

that's an incredible reduction in damage output, also ends Battle Rage and leaves you without the adrenaline to reactivate it....... ---Ch aos- 14:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Not that "incredible". BR is 4 adrenaline so it'll take about 4 seconds to get it back up again. It's actually a pretty good suggestion. Ricky

vantof 15:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

meh if you rupt a couple of their skills while mantra is on and spam fear me their energy explodes pretty fast anyway217.87.239.74 15:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

It is a little annoying that battle rage ends and you lose all adrenaline but with iway going it charges back up fast, and I'm only suggesting this for 1 warrior. When an ele nukes all the oath's spirits the moment they come up that does kill your pressure...and no e-denial is not an option since their attunement stays up and they have GoLE. 50%+ SH eles are running resolve now so I think it's worth countering since teaseway in particular relies on the SH being able to nuke. Zero.Six 15:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Wild throw on the PnH would be manlier ;o Good suggestion though. Brandnew. 15:41, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

orite, only on 1 war. Disregard what I preached. ---Ch aos- 15:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

they already lose enrgy when u dchop their skills etc, and you are spamming fear me, so the ele will end up running out of energy and won't be able to often use rodgort's and heats may sometimes be costly unless gole is up. so its an ok suggestion, but i would say edenial is enough, and you want to spam interrupts on everything up, and that 4 seconds is a long time to get br up when you could have just spammed your skills on every 4 hits it would have taken to get br back up. — LukeJohnson

17:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually I always seem to be able to get my rodgort's off, either people are too terrible to even try to rupt it, or they just can't be fucked to defend their spirits (I'm amazing, I spirit hunt with rodgort's ;o) Brandnew. 21:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

usage

someone make one--Relyk 07:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Press skills as they light up. Win.--IkimonoNeeds more "good" Paragon

09:05, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

oh, i forgot, /dance /rank 3.--IkimonoNeeds more "good" Paragon

09:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

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 someone make one--[[User:Relyk|Relyk]] 07:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
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+::oh, i forgot, /dance /rank 3.--[[User:Ikimono|<font color="blue">'''Ikimono'''</font><small><font color ="Teal">Needs more "good" Paragon</font></small>]][[Image:Monk-Paragon-icon.png|24px]] 09:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC)