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:::::: I meant that its a wiki so we can have a billion variants merged into 1 build. [[User:Spikeownage|Spikeownage]] 16:03, 1 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::: I meant that its a wiki so we can have a billion variants merged into 1 build. [[User:Spikeownage|Spikeownage]] 16:03, 1 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::::But why even show a variant when trip n/rt is like 2-3 times better and is the only thing anyone runs? o_0 [[User:Rawrawr Dinosaur|Rawrawr Dinosaur]] 16:04, 1 February 2009 (EST)
 
:::::::But why even show a variant when trip n/rt is like 2-3 times better and is the only thing anyone runs? o_0 [[User:Rawrawr Dinosaur|Rawrawr Dinosaur]] 16:04, 1 February 2009 (EST)
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:::::::: We should make two separate builds and get both of them voted on to see which one is better (2 n/rt 3 n/mo or 3 n/rt 2 n/mo) [[User:Spikeownage|Spikeownage]] 16:05, 1 February 2009 (EST)

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only thing im not sure about is whether the N/mo sould have resses.Spikeownage 17:30, 21 December 2008 (EST)

i posted this because i think it's better than the other lichway so it's not going to get WELL'd.Spikeownage 17:38, 21 December 2008 (EST)
Lichway is genuinely worse than golemspike, people just havent realised it yet. Rawrawr Dinosaur 17:43, 21 December 2008 (EST)
The differences are: lichway you can get minions without corpses and it boosts your death magic. golemway you have one strong minion that leaves an exploitable corpse. lich is 1 sec cast but has more recharge.Spikeownage 19:01, 21 December 2008 (EST)
Lich is 2s cast TBH, but it can't be reduced by Bloodstained, while Animate Flesh Golem can. Still, both don't really work with all the RoJ smiters around. Dragnmn talk cont 05:59, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Also, the caller has energy management problems. should i switch out deadly paradox for rez or profane for rez?Spikeownage 13:06, 22 December 2008 (EST)


PnH

won't do shit on ur N/Mo, its in divine favor, removes 0 hex/conditions and the enchant effect is.. 1 secCloseCloseImpactSWImpactPet Whale 12:39, 22 December 2008 (EST)

you're right. should i put divert hexes or go back to lich? Spikeownage 12:56, 22 December 2008 (EST)
lich. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 16:49, 22 December 2008 (EST)

problem with spiking ghostly on king of the hill

I ran this myself and i find it hard to sometimes spike down the ghost because on the caller bar it takes either 4 seconds to cast everything (including aftercast)weaken armor->augury of death->rend or if you shadow shroud to prevent spirit bond (then you can cast whatever you want and spike with deathly swarm too)weaken armor-> rend-> shadow shroud-> augury-> d.swarm it makes it easier to catch for the infuser. any suggestions? Spikeownage 19:52, 22 December 2008 (EST)


weaken armour or augury (not both) and a rend should be more than sufficient to spike ghost work on ur rend timing

^ that or you were just subject to a really good infuse.--IkimonoNeeds more ParagonMonk-Paragon-icon 21:17, 24 January 2009 (EST)

dark bond

is it really needed?? it can replace foul feast, rising bile, 2x mend body and soul and 2x resurrection signet on the bars (in order). anyone think that this build really needs it?Spikeownage 20:56, 22 December 2008 (EST)

so i hurd 75% less damage on an entirely squishy team wus gud m8--GoldenGoldenstarStar 21:04, 22 December 2008 (EST)
lol ok ill add it and try running it that way.Spikeownage 08:13, 23 December 2008 (EST)
Yes, dark bond is like stoneflesh except cheap and thus more easily maintainable. -Auron 08:31, 23 December 2008 (EST)

I tried running it with DB on the whole team except for the monk(duh) and I found it worked out much better than the build. I replaced (in order): Deadly Para, Brace Yourselves, Foul Feast, Prot Was Kaolai, Mend Body, Res Sig, and Aura of Stability. This made is so I had no KD prots so I switched SoA on #6 for Aura of Stability.¬Red Shadow♠ Red Shadow Sig 23:13, 31 December 2008 (EST)

N/Mo energy skills

It looks like the first N/mo has a ton of energy and barely any skills to spend it on when the second N/mo is always lacking energy. Which skills can i trade from one to the other? Spikeownage 22:18, 23 December 2008 (EST)


is that not what minions and soul reeping is for?

Glimmer or WoH?

help me! Spikeownage 16:25, 31 December 2008 (EST)

HB or spell breaker lol. Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:44, 31 December 2008 (EST)
I mean, glimmer is actually terrible without channeling, its only advantage is 1s recharge which you cant abuse without it =\ Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:45, 31 December 2008 (EST)
You can spam it if you got minions/people dropping like flies...¬Red Shadow♠ Red Shadow Sig 23:13, 31 December 2008 (EST)
I sorta fail to see how a monk can spam glimmer cuz people are dying. Rawrawr Dinosaur 23:18, 31 December 2008 (EST)
I'm pretty sure monks don't have Soul Reaping. --ShazamTheSnake Shazam The Snake hissssssssssss 23:21, 31 December 2008 (EST)
Right, sorry thought it was a necro... then /agree to Glimmer being bad with this. ¬Red Shadow♠ Red Shadow Sig 23:34, 31 December 2008 (EST)

N/E is useless

Replace with N/P, N/rt or N/mo?Spikeownage 18:36, 1 January 2009 (EST)

N/Mo for a full Aegis chain would be sexy. --ShazamTheSnake Shazam The Snake hissssssssssss 03:41, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Uhm...where are your snares? RickyRicksawsmfacevantof 20:31, 24 January 2009 (EST)

^ You aren't going far in HA if you don't have a snare.--IkimonoNeeds more ParagonMonk-Paragon-icon 21:14, 24 January 2009 (EST)
I just realized i'm the only one who rated positively on this build :D EDIT: When i ran this without the snare we just spiked out the runner with a rend and it worked every time. The only thing this lost at was cap points. 19px-Spell BreakerEbolax 09:49, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Because necro spikes ofcourse always run an N/E amirite. ^_^ 217.120.228.192 09:52, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Yeah i don't see a snare in iv spike unless crippling dagger is a snare, but that can be removed with rc. 19px-Spell BreakerEbolax 09:59, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Theorycrafting owns, ebolax. Rawrawr Dinosaur 11:19, 30 January 2009 (EST)

table of contents

someone fix it plz kthx. Spikeownage 17:42, 30 January 2009 (EST)

o and rawrawr why did u remove what i posted? i was going to do tactics for every map...Spikeownage 17:49, 30 January 2009 (EST)
because that's stupid ..LJ.. 17:56, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Whatever... but someone still fix table of contents plz i dont know what's wrong.Spikeownage 17:59, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Not cuz its stupid, but not all teams even go under the bridge or use waf there and its common sense to use AoE on people who ball. No point in adding pointless info :P Rawrawr Dinosaur 18:01, 30 January 2009 (EST)

one of the votes

Is 0-0-0 and is wrong. Spikeownage 18:10, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Another vote says you cant hold halls I really dont agree because in halls you can get 10 minions on every person by pre-saccing and pacting (without DP) Spikeownage 18:13, 30 January 2009 (EST)
I removed both before you even said. This page has got my attention atm, anyway. Rawrawr Dinosaur 18:16, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Thanks again.Spikeownage 18:40, 30 January 2009 (EST)


Run 3 n/rts and 2 n/mo, you don't need 3 protbots and the extra spirits/heals help a bit. Rawrawr Dinosaur 08:55, 31 January 2009 (EST)

will do it later, too lasy. -spikeownage 216.239.77.207 20:08, 31 January 2009 (EST)
Is it good now? Spikeownage 20:23, 31 January 2009 (EST)
It shouldnt be a variant, because 3 heal really is better than 3 prot D: Rawrawr Dinosaur 09:35, 1 February 2009 (EST)
This is a wiki no? Spikeownage 09:49, 1 February 2009 (EST)
I never normally edit mainspace and the author normally QQs bigtime if you do, which i really cant be bothered with. Rawrawr Dinosaur 09:54, 1 February 2009 (EST)
I meant that its a wiki so we can have a billion variants merged into 1 build. Spikeownage 16:03, 1 February 2009 (EST)
But why even show a variant when trip n/rt is like 2-3 times better and is the only thing anyone runs? o_0 Rawrawr Dinosaur 16:04, 1 February 2009 (EST)
We should make two separate builds and get both of them voted on to see which one is better (2 n/rt 3 n/mo or 3 n/rt 2 n/mo) Spikeownage 16:05, 1 February 2009 (EST)