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Since I can't re-revert it I'll just say it here...it's not great, it's not meta, change it to something else.--Digit0lDigitalfear SigQu33r 02:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe make some of the sins bring a different elite instead of so much Wounding Strike...with a 3 second recharge I'm sure there is more than enough deepwound/bleeding to go around...maybe have like 1 or 2 sins bring something else? also is 1 bonder going to be able to maintain 11 bonds? maybe replace 1 sin for another bonder? Also, whats the time difference between this build and Dual Discord way? is it worth it?--XdaC 04:00, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
I dont think you will make this vq with discord in 18 mins:)--GodFocused AngerKamil 12:14, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
HzH alliance does this more then DTSC. To us, it's "Great" and more of a "meta" build then DSC. Considering the fact we have 3 times more faction coming in everyday then the #2 (Altrumm) alliance. IxlKennylxl 13:50, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
Adac, it's possible that changing some of the assassin's elites would make this build faster, but I'm a huge fan of more generic builds because it makes it easier to recruit among pugs. The more specialized build that you have, the longer it'll take to form teams. Why take an extra couple minutes to form a team if you only save a couple minutes anyways? --Supernick530 13:57, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
You think WotA Sins would work too? Orphus 14:55, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
Also I went to Euro-French dis and there was no one there :( Orphus 16:00, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
Today is the first day that we are accepted PUGs if there is any. It's been less then 20 hours that this has been on PvX and someone changed it to Trail so less people will see it. IxlKennylxl 17:21, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
IMO: anything is better than DTSC....if you pug DTSC you're lucky if you get 50mins (you can dual discord it in ~49)(but just for now im going to pretend discord doesn't exist while discussing this build lol)...but 45 minutes is listed as fastest speed in MTSC...I would take the slowest speed into effect because not everyone will do this flawlessly every run. (As well as knowing most people, the average run time speed is actually somewhere around 46minutes...but to make thsi seem better they just subtracted a few minutes from the actual average run time to include "Faster teams" (because imo a 5min gap seems a bit much to be "average"). I'm interested in going on a few runs with you guys if possible, to see if there is anything I might be able to suggest that may help =)--XdaC 18:33, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
The build was changed back to trial because builds here are vetting by our community, not yours. 72.148.243.147 17:33, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
When do you guys normally do this? I'd like to join in, if possible (I'm a sin). Orphus 19:10, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
We are doing this with two WotA sins to split in certain areas and reduce the time about five minutes. I am getting 20-22 minutes runs all the time with a reward of aprox 22k. Defenitely better than DTSC. Only problem is that I get groups only thru the ally chat of HzH ally, well problem for pugs not for me :). And yeah for our ally this is definetively our meta.--12.189.190.154 04:13, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
For me there's only one problem - unskilled people. As you said we're spliting in certain areas to make the whole run faster but sometimes other guys are confused and it causes in not faster but slower run. Same with the new guys. When someone asks us how to MTSC we only say "Get build, join and do what others do" however when they start doing it they don't know how to use bonds or run whole distance to seed tank instead of casting it on the Mo/P standing next to him. However this problem will always be as we always get new guys for MTSC, otherwise it's good to see that many people want to join our runs and realize there's something better than DTSC or JQ. We still have to beat record of 15mins but with each run we're getting closer to it. You know..practice makes perfect ;] Matiasko 8:13, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Holy Crap

Wow nice guys i've tried this over and over again it's amazing exept i've made my own few changes to make it more useable and attainable for myself and ally. PS hzh ally watch out the #3 ally is gonna start to take over your little town XD

Yeah right :p --12.189.190.154 04:25, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Symbiosis

Has quite a long recharge, Is it worth it or do you just drop in certain spots? Zedone2 10:45, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

         You dont need it really, If your UA is good, you can drop it and bring something else. --Sukasukahumdee 12:36, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

SPQR

just keep in mind that you cant try this build with SPQR. they're all lame flamers that dont like other people. 85.100.35.14 16:35, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

15 Minute Run

It seems possible to do this faster than DTSC and get more Faction: [1] A 15 minute run is not bad.

it's a shame you whited out the team structure for no sensible reason then. There is little purpose in bragging on an easily photoshop-able image; however unlikely it would be, seeing how sloppy your censorship was.--Ikimono1 08:20, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
Nowadays you can't believe anything coz we have some tools like Paint or Photoshop, what I want to say, you can't be sure is it fake or true as long as we were there in the teams. If it's true I ask you how did you do this? Standard builds or special hybrids? Standard way or some new or maybe with split? You must answer us if you want us to believe you ;] . If it's fake..SHAME YOU! However I know it's only case between your conscience and you. Matiasko 15:44, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Bonders

This may be a noob question but, how are the bonders goint to maintain energy? I mean they only got blessed signet and i dont think thats enough. 62.131.122.68 14:12, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

balthazar's spirit on bonder Dre 14:46, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
And with the conset blessed signet is enough--12.189.190.154 15:20, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
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