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When you have an offense, you must have a defense. --FrostyMini england 13:00, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

m--FrostyMini england 15:24, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
Build:Team Rawrspike or
Build:Team Fortressway
Rawrawr Dinosaur 15:26, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
Fortressssss --FrostyMini england 15:28, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
Also, magehunters. Hammer is only there to KD prot midspike, so... mage. Rawrawr Dinosaur 15:29, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
Ups, true. --FrostyMini england 15:32, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Korean defense own. Haven't seen a single euro guild played this in observe, while i have seen all korean gimmick guilds doing it. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 05:40, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

needs more enfeeble over life..we found that the rit has 0 energy when we ran it, and life doesnt help his cause. and 16 axe is win. Saint 09:50, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Lol @ 16 axe. Makes your crit trigger sb, so nty. Enfeeble over life is managble, however enfeeble isn't that strong anymore, it'll just be removed in a second cuz it's not spammable like it used to be and you already have steam. Life equals partyhealing, and partyhealing iz gud. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:37, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
16 axe is yummy =D. guess if ur running a-rage spike is weaker but energy is better. <3 channeled strike, but energy will enver work with it. Saint 11:39, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
Dont run 16 axe? r u mad? You're using attack skills anyway so it goes over SB. Its not like you're pumping the pressure. Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:02, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
^+1 . also 470 ranger is hottt. or 510. either or. Saint 12:09, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
What was that Rawr? :P --ϲɽоω ɱϲɑɳǥɽƴɗɽɑɡоɳ 12:10, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
crow, scroll down for why they are good. with coordination from monks the health loss it np, plus the added armor of a warrior. Saint 12:38, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
On that page he said they were bad :/. I know they are good, I aren't stupid :<. --ϲɽоω ɱϲɑɳǥɽƴɗɽɑɡоɳ 12:45, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
oh gud. hypocrisy alex :<. but ye, sup axe > all. Saint 12:56, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
Note i said they were bad unless you're polly. And the frontliner to this build............... is polly......... Rawrawr Dinosaur 13:53, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Channeled > Arage, for spaiks :) Massive Image-Massive Sig 13:49, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Enurgy is gud though :< --FrostyMini england 13:51, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
Channeled is pretty bad in this, the bar already has horrible energy and cstrike gets dshotted every time. Rawrawr Dinosaur 13:53, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
What's the point of it then? Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 13:55, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
Not much else to take tbh, it's free damage and healing --FrostyMini england 13:58, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
lots of damage and healing, good spike support, thats the point of the build, defensive spiking. Saint 14:02, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Ancestors goes below spirit bond, so it must own. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 17:27, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

dual flesh

we ran 1 dp 1 fomf. why 2. Saint 23:00, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

mmm

Suggestions for ED rangers please. or archive? --FrostyMini england 02:16, 7 November 2008 (EST)

^--FrostyMini england 11:26, 7 November 2008 (EST)
obs moar ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 11:30, 7 November 2008 (EST)

bad

needs vital and or enfeeble. life is bad. soothing not needed. LOL is everyone running sups and majors? that is just plain retarded for a wiki build tbh. you need the extra health, or you will literally be solo'd by WE. polly gets spiked to shit, which is why rawr runs defensive builds and still manages to lose 8v8. the whole point to this shit is to spike the prot monk with 1000000 damage and still be able to solo the infuser with your fucking conjure. and yes, nearly every guild has tried this shit. --Readem 00:53, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Strange, when i obsed the GSL Tourny, - rawr vs KMD, the only thing rawr did was almost to spikke down Gnosis(Infuse), while usually Jatt raped Questcure. But something i noticed whit this build which was quite sexy was that Cake, Shocked Quest - Jatt and rest attacked Gnosis and she died before she could get upp the first kd :o - Thats hawt Massive Image-Massive Sig 04:29, 23 November 2008 (EST)
Wow, observe better. Q had balanced stance, jatt fucked up the me/e instead. They just have to spike out the infuser because it was spike wars, all the woh monk had to heal up was the spike so you can pretty much infuse every spike. Also Readem; this doesn't need vital. Vital is more for meta-buildwars cus like 3/4 of the guilds in AT is running spikefags, in standard matches you don't need it. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 17:40, 29 November 2008 (EST)

They run renewing surge on the flagger now. I THINK it's over weapon of shadow, not sure. Mainbar change? Disciple 13:16, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Thats just cause they are teh brave FrostrageFrosty po! 13:24, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Retarded suggestions readem =\ Enfeeble was only good one tbh. Rest is AT shit only, everyone runs life because its amazing anti pressure and so is soothing tbh. Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:50, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Rawr runs vital against guilds like [DM], that also is rawrspike. Generally if you go for the vital weapon on ladder matches your uberhighdefense is kinda lost. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:26, 1 January 2009 (EST)
Um, several top ladder guilds run rawrspike. The build itself uses Recovery; not life. You can't pressure out dual pots, so life is fucking worthless. DM is a trash guild in comparison. Rawr doesn't need vitals. No rawr member uses a Sup Rune. Polly has 15 Axe; not 16. --Readem 10:35, 22 January 2009 (EST)
  • Enfeeble Main Bar (Vitals Optional on CC)
  • Recovery instead of trash life
  • No Sup runes. Majors only.

--Readem 10:37, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Mistakes

On mini skill bar . There is 2 CC Rits. If you scroll down you see there is only 1 CC and 1 MoI Rit + MoI Ritualist Name is Hidden Caltrops Runner. Also WoS And RW. ~.~ ~Enarrrz. hello. 10:14, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Suppose you can do it yourself (thx for doing it;)) Massive Image-Massive Sig 12:40, 22 January 2009 (EST)
Rawr played their Me/E like this.
Expel Hexes Shard Storm Blurred Vision Steam Glyph of Immolation Shell Shock Drain Enchantment Ice Prison

Vashan 07:34, 25 January 2009 (EST)

^^ shel shock is good ..LJ.. 12:43, 25 January 2009 (EST)
But no attune?..LJ.. 15:59, 29 January 2009 (EST)
you shouldn't get into e-problemsCloseCloseImpactSWImpactPet Whale 16:19, 31 January 2009 (EST)
Drain should be enough management, otherwise, you're doing it wrong. crazyCowcow 16:40, 31 January 2009 (EST)

changes

i've added a variant for the runner and added "rigor mortis" as a possible skill for the CC Rt. Vashan 11:04, 3 February 2009 (EST)

The attributes for the fc water mesmer are wrong? air 10, and insp to 7+1 and fc to 7+1+1. It's only 1 energy gain less and you add more damage for a spike and cracked armor lasts longer.(although that's not that necessery but it's still good). FC is with 9 at 33%. Thoughts? Vashan 11:21, 3 February 2009 (EST)
Running 10 air for Shell Shock is dumb. It gives you 20 more damage. Cute McMonkeyTab 11:23, 3 February 2009 (EST)
That's 40 dmg on a 60 armor. Vashan 11:30, 3 February 2009 (EST)
Not rly worth it, Shell Shock is only really for the cracked armor in which case you need minimal spec FrostrageFrosty po! 11:31, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Mark of Insecurity is nerfed or not? If it is . Could change the MoI ritualist bar ~Enarrrz. hello. 17:19, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Probably run CC runner/HC FrostrageFrosty po! 17:25, 6 February 2009 (EST)
Runner changed to HC. crazyCowcow 17:31, 6 February 2009 (EST)
CC imo. Rawrawr Dinosaur 17:36, 6 February 2009 (EST)
I'll ask what they run now. crazyCowcow 17:38, 6 February 2009 (EST)
It's HC. crazyCowcow 17:39, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Nerf

Strip enchantment can still work instead of rend, think the spike is strong enough even with weaker ancestor and rtw, gotta test it though. Fishels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 08:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

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