Build talk:Team - Sabway/Archive 1

Well, this is a build I imported from Guru. It is known as Sab's three necro build. It wasn't on wiki but it's one of the best HM team builds around, so I decided to submit it. --Batno mercy 07:56, 5 January 2008 (EST)

Well, it's been some time and no comment was made on the build, although it is outstanding from my point of view :( Please comment and make suggestions so it can go to the testing status and not only trial.Batno mercy 14:01, 7 January 2008 (EST)

Don't vote on builds while they're in trial. --GuildofDeals 17:35, 9 January 2008 (EST)

When I asked Sab if I could submit this build (a month or two ago), she said she'd prefer if it wasn't on PvX. I dunno if you care, but you might get some hate for that. -- Mafaraxas 23:53, 9 January 2008 (EST)

Who cares? Necros own, people've been using them for ages. The meta already hates us for hosting meta builds =P 00:14, 10 January 2008 (EST)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Skakid9090 (talk • contribs) .

Yeh, this does totally own HM. The version I have has Vengeful instead of Splinter on the healer and a res signet instead of Extinguish on the MM, but it's not really important. -- Mafaraxas 00:26, 10 January 2008 (EST)

I haven't asked Sab like you did, mafaraxas, but I think that this build wasn't unknown, so it was only a matter of time someone posted it up here, and what better than helping people, as HM is HARD with the wrong party. I had read the Vetting article but it didn't state explicitly enough for me at the first reading that you shouldn't rate trial builds.--Batno mercy 11:40, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Healer Necro

Why does the healer work best as a Necro? Kiteeye 08:32, 10 January 2008 (EST)

The healer is better as a Necro because it's Healing spells are pretty consistent at 12 Restoration Magic. But there is the problem of Energy. This build has been designed mostly around the insane energy management that necros have from Soul Reaping, combined with Jagged Bones. Basically, this Healer is NEVER short of energy.--Batno mercy 11:40, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Sab-way

"Sab-way" ftw lol...very good hero team been using it alot 121.45.194.46 11:48, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Ritualist MM

On the MM build have you considered having as a varient taking a Ritualist primary and putting points from Soul reaping into Spawning, and taking boon of creation instead of SolS? (just a thought to consider)PheNaxKian (T/c) 13:59, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Soul Reaping is key. -- Mafaraxas 16:47, 10 January 2008 (EST)

I realise soul-reaping is for e-managment etc. but because it's on the MM with boon of creation, that yould act as the equivalent of soul reaping+SoLS in a way.PheNaxKian (T/c) 16:59, 10 January 2008 (EST)

I think that it wouldn't work as well. Let me explain why: It's about the same princip as the healer being necro and not ritualist. Soul Reaping is the key of this build. What monsters do is just swarm your minions (who are enchanted with jagged bones) and slaughter them, killing themselves and producing new minions. The diying minions give energy to the whole party. I think that if the MM goes Rt/N it would result in the minions diying prematurely (12 death magic means way too low level minions who won't be able to fulfill their role of tanking efficiently). The MM himself would have enough energy because of Boon of Creation, but this would be useless, as your team doesnt get the same energy boost. I'll try to run once or twice with Rt/N to see any other flaws. But basically, that could be a less effective variant for those who don't want 3 necros for any reason.--Batno mercy 11:05, 11 January 2008 (EST)

they would tank just as well because all though you can't get them a higher level, because your using spawning, it increases their health etc. And it was only a suggest alternative if people jsut fancy taking a rit instead of a necro..(I understand why the healer is a necro though hence why i didn't say make the healer a Rit...although XD joke)PheNaxKian (T/c) 17:05, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Yesterday I tried a group of standart foes with a Ritualist Primary MM.Worked out decently, until they started diying. The damage wasn't enough from Death Nova, resulting in slower killing. But if it works anywhere else than Dragon's Throat, I'll put it in Variants.--Batno mercy 11:05, 11 January 2008 (EST)

It's cause the N/Mo has pspirit and aegis. — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 17:08, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Take GW:Spirit's gift GW:Explosive Growth then some sort of optional (Boon replace SoLS so you'd still have a free) PheNaxKian (T/c) 17:18, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Going Rt/N means you can't take Protective Spirit and Aegis. -- Mafaraxas 18:03, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Hence the replacements mentioned above.....PheNaxKian (T/c) 10:17, 11 January 2008 (EST)

My main concern is that the MM will not be able to prevent the enormous spiking that is done in HM (I usually go with a protection monk too, 2 Prot spirits = much better management). He can't run shelter, shelter isn't good with almost no restoration.--Batno mercy 11:05, 11 January 2008 (EST)

I assume you mean communing not restoration-well you have 9 atts from Protection so you could put them into communing then take a minor communing rune that gives you 10 in communing, then you could take Shelter and union (use union first) so it acts as a huge damage buffer while they're alive, you could also take displacment so you have 75% chance to block (sort of an Aegis replacment)PheNaxKian (T/c) 11:23, 11 January 2008 (EST)

I will try and run that build--Batno mercy 11:53, 11 January 2008 (EST)

The N/Mo is better. — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 16:58, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Not saying it isn't i just think it would be a good idea to have some sort of alternative if people want. PheNaxKian (T/c) 18:53, 11 January 2008 (EST)

It'd just be too inferior as Rt/N; the whole build works on the soul reaping, and going Rt/N means you have to use another slot for strippable, inferior energy management, which means you won't be raising as many minions which means less energy for the other heroes. Besides, spirits are just inferior to monk prots, especially when you're tacking them at the end of a bar. -- Mafaraxas 20:30, 11 January 2008 (EST)

I ran the MM build as Rt/N. Took all of the skills you suggested and went to dajkah inlet chellenge mission (HM). I just couldn't make any use of that rit. He never casted the spirits and had no energy after 3 minutes of fighting. I don't think this could be a viable alternative.--Batno mercy 14:17, 12 January 2008 (EST)

Ok-was just a possibility i thought was all but if it doesn't work oh well =P PheNaxKian (T/c) 14:26, 12 January 2008 (EST)

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This build has been posted on my user page. Copy + Paste? Also... I still can't rate builds :S It says I need contributions.... any tips? Everlong