Talk: Team - Searing Flames Spike

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This,This,This,This, and This--The Gates Assassin 14:48, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

SF spike owns, wtf you on about. Rawrawr 14:58, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Doesnt every decent HA team have Ward Against Harm and a good party heal? --Tab Moo 15:00, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Its a spike. And WaH has fallen out of use now. Rawrawr 15:03, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Ward against harm makes them ball like faggots. Burning will own them then. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 17:04, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

lol ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 15:41, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

And we all know the "huge" number of people that carry that in HA. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 15:48, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

A spike that does a meager 470 Damage? Or am I missing something?James Blood 16:01, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

The followups. And you spike like every 3 seconds with followup so it doesnt even have to be clean. Rawrawr 16:06, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

This and That Blader 16:08, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

You can point out a lot of flaws in this build, but what build doesn't have counters? The SF spike is a pretty easy way to get to halls if your team doesnt suck.- Jak123X 16:33, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Exactly -.- Rawrawr 16:37, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

It is worth mentioning that this build is relatively easy to counter as opposed to some other builds, but 6 people using searing flames can roll most teams pretty quickly. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 16:46, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Well good thing we vett based on if you are taking on someone who doesn't suck. Just because the meta is Sway doesn't mean Mirror of desenchant and interrupts aren't uncommon. Not to mention the entire team is made up of squishy eles.--The Gates Assassin 16:49, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Mirror is uncommon in HA because its just useless since the Aegis nerf, and interrupts can only deal with so many eles. As for squishy eles, the fundamental of SFway is to kill the enemy fast enough so they can'y kill you. This'll probably also do pretty well against Sway because SF eats spirits for breakfast, whicha required for most of Sway's healing. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 17:01, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

ITT: Theorycrafting. SFway is fucking vicious. --71.229 16:52, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

I bet it is... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 16:52, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

I've seen this run several times in the past. It works, but only if the team has a good caller. Also, it may be me, but after encountering it several times, a semi-decent monk or necro just uses dismiss condition and boom, spike diverted.--71.67.243.230 17:01, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

And then another spike 3 seconds later, and AoE. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 17:03, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

However, as i said, it does work. just needs to be co-ordinated well.--71.67.243.230 17:04, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Yes. And Dismiss Condition outheals 6 SF's. No. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 17:05, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Well, my group commonly runs paraway. so the pressure from SF is bearable.--71.67.243.230 17:05, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

well, if you dismiss the condition, yes. it out heals -4- SF's. then you just follow up with another heal and tada.--71.67.243.230 17:07, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

1 SF deals about 100 damage. 6 SFs = 500 damage + burning. Switch to your burning shield and that lovely 500 turns into 366 damage. Ranger faces this and they take a laughable 250 damage. Dismissing one of the burning lowers that damage by 100 and subtracts another 70ish from the spike total. Pretty weak.--The Gates Assassin 17:09, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

I think you missed the 'nearby' bit, Gates. It isn't so much a spike as it is obscene pressure. --71.229 17:19, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Also the fact that you can spike like 3 seconds afterwards + the follow-up from GG and LF. You roll most teams relatively quickly. 74.39.200.33 17:20, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Ever heard the Spirit-way(well, no one really uses it now but, W/E)? SF is pretty weak compared to it, and one more thing: though the pressure is impressive via the burning+damage, in order for the build to achieve MAX preformance, a group MUST be balled up, and when ppl see 6 ele and 2 monk, they usually keep a decent space between each other. Otherwise the burning+damage wouldn't be SO bad as compared to when its concentrated(also don't forget the enemy's pressure/spike, SF isn't the only one pressures here). Lastly, imo ppl are bashing this build 'cause it's so-very-old.....it's like trying to be cool by playing a music in the 60s.Laughingatyou 02:25, 21 April 2008 (EDT)Laughingatyou

Name

seems kinda stupid. Searingway would be better. --GuildofDeals 17:56, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Jackson Hewittway. moush$2 + 2 = 4$ 19:54, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Eltonway? --71.229 20:03, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Final Solution-way -- Mafaraxas 20:47, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Trogdorway?--Relyk 22:37, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Prodigy-way - PANIC! sexiness! 04:37, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Skill Suggestion

AUGURY OF DEATH INSTEAD OF HEX BREAKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did I make my point? Hex Breaker = epic fail Augury of Death = spike assist w/ 100 dmg. --Risus 20:20, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Hex breaker isnt an epic fail on a runner >_< --- Ressmonkey (talk) 20:27, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Mark of Rogort shoul be on one or two eles, it allows infi-SF spam and plain good for a monk with a fiery spear.--Relyk 21:50, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

...no Rawrawr 21:51, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Thennnnnnnnn, Never Surrender?--Relyk 22:36, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

My guild runs a variant of this. Sucks that it's made it's way to Pvx. Whoever wrote this must've got owned by it once and decided to post it on wiki "Use Searing Flames alot"....yeah thanks... Probably some unranked newb. We use two E/Mos for convert hexes and aegis. Two E/Ps for make haste and the other song of concentration. And E/Rt for hard res. and an E/N for rend enchants. hex breaker is fail and you don't need augury of death either. If you're coordinating pressure and spiking every now and then, you have more than enough damage. Also two grasping is overkill. I suggest switching it out for tenai's or searing heat. You don't really need glyph of lesser energy either if you use glowing gaze properly.

lol, SF spam is super sekrit strategy. mi gild plnnd 2 use dis b4 nitefall evr cme out, lololo -- Mafaraxas 00:34, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Fishy ownzzz, but sf owns rly, easy to use and spammable as fuck. Fishels[슴Mc슴]Mootles 06:58, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

I prefer Deathly Swarm, don' tell the nubs tho. moush$2 + 2 = 4$ 07:27, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

omg joo chubs have given awae mi secret strategeez now everyone nos that SF can be grou p spayumd! joo are a noob 4 stealin my ideaz! (Kiron 14:02, 15 April 2008 (EDT))

uh huh... I never said it was a secret. My overall point is that whoever posted this build sucks balls.

So if who posted it sux balls, then who uses it must suck even more balls by your logic. moush$2 + 2 = 4$ 04:27, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Lots of people think I do suck balls, but those people pvp. My really cool builds are for farming. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 07:04, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Which this is, actually. :P --71.229 07:07, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah whoever uses this EXACT build sucks balls. Cry of frustration? Weapon of warding? ur kidding right? I think i already outlined what my guild runs as opposed to this shit. here i'll copy and paste it again for you since you obviously missed it Moush. "We use two E/Mos for convert hexes and aegis. Two E/Ps for make haste and the other song of concentration. And E/Rt for hard res. and an E/N for rend enchants. hex breaker is fail and you don't need augury of death either. If you're coordinating pressure and spiking every now and then, you have more than enough damage. Also two grasping is overkill. I suggest switching it out for tenai's or searing heat. You don't really need glyph of lesser energy either if you use glowing gaze properly."

Gudness?

I fail to see it? I ass raped this with a unranked sway team; flawless victory... Godbox 14:53, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

You probably shouldn't admit to being a fag online. moush$2 + 2 = 4$ 15:14, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

The chances are the other team was a PUB with no voice chat, no rank, and no idea what to do against sway. They should have totally ignored your rnagers and raped your healers, who would die pretty fast considering their spirits would get eaten by the awesome fire thingies. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 15:41, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, it isn't great in the current HA meta. --16:03, 16 April 2008 (EDT)

Stupid build that's isn't good in the HA meta. All builds should be based on the current meta, because that's what you will encounter... Godbox 10:29, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

doesnt the meta change because people say, "screw the meta!"? (Kiron 19:07, 18 April 2008 (EDT))

The meta changes normally because ANet says "Screw the meta!" - PANIC! sexiness! 19:22, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

I refuse to acknowledge Sway as the current meta. It's too gay. --71.229 21:27, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Bspike is the meta. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:57, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

Wait, again? What are they using this time? --71.229 07:07, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Dark Pact. Godbox 14:36, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

would it not be smarter to have all eles carry arcane mimicry, and then have one carry ele attunement? you could then spam searing flames and not have to worry about the energy costs. GAMEfreak 07:41, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

Fire + Glowing Gaze is generally enough. You should have rolled them before your energy runs out anyway. Dragnmn talk cont 10:04, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

Cry of frustration; mirror of disenchantment. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 07:16, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Both of those would hurt, and the Arcane Mimicry/Arcane Echo SF eles are less viable in PvP due to enchantment removal. Too bad, though, because being able to spam SF every 1.75 seconds (because of Arcane Echo SF) without Energy problems (because of Arcane Mimicry Elemental Attunement+Glowing Gaze) pwns pretty hard. -Mike 07:21, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Even with dual attunement i'd think you can't and surely won't(diversion) every 1.75 seconds, since it's still like, 6 energy(? random guess) with dual attunements. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 07:19, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

More like 0. 80% + 1 energy + 1.66 from natural regen = .33 energy cost. --The Gates Assassin 14:24, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, you could still take Glowing Gaze which will give you about 1 energy per second under both Fire Attunement and Elemental Attunement, so that ~0.33 energy lost per second would be ~0.66 energy gained per second. You'd need something to burn all that energy. lol -Mike 16:05, 6 May 2008 (EDT)