Talk: Team - UW Physway/Archive 2

I think it wont work :) --GodKamil 20:09, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Explain.--DigitalFear 20:16, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

I think it just worked :):):):)MinionExcluded 02:01, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Thats a lot of Save Yourselves.pr0adam! 14:31, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

It's to keep Excluded/Minion from dying. Cuilan 15:56, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Incase anyone gets stripped, we have time to infuse, reprot, etc. before they explode via nu3kz. Someone care to finish the copypasta? qq MinionExcluded 16:22, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

How are you going to do 4H?-- Elf-e 17:14, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

I'll write the usage for that in a little. It's pretty simple, though. MinionExcluded 17:21, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Don't think 1 hex remover is enough tbhSharky_talk 22:40, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

O yea I don't really think dark fury is all that needed, think OotV would be a lot betterSharky_talk 23:02, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

If spike damage is better, why are you running dagger chains? :< Life Guardian 03:01, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Because one dagger chain will kill a skeleton, and one chain used by 4~sins can kill an aatxe in one chain. MinionExcluded 07:00, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Right, I'll switch OoV back in. I prefer it too, but people would have asked why we weren't maximizing our damage zzzz. One hex removal seems sufficient; only really need it in Plains, and only the ERs need cleaning. MinionExcluded 07:30, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Be less lazy plox. I was so excited about UWing with this and you went RA. >: --Iggy 's other account 09:14, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

would Technobabble make plains easier?Sharky_talk 05:38, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

And while Im talking about EotN skills how about FH, IATS(I am the strongest), DT(dodge this), YMLAD Ebon wardsSharky_talk 05:41, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Only logical ones I would consider spammable enough would be Dodge This! If you want to run a ward, that's fine, though there'll be alot of downtime and you won't notice the difference, as you'll be killing too fast anyway. MinionExcluded 09:11, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Bonds

If you are bonded by the E/Mo, does save yourselves reduce that damage further? I dont think it does, so it might not be worth it Zedone2 10:18, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

should've read above ^^ Zedone2 10:19, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

It's another layer of defence. If a Dying Nightmare strips someone, Save Yourselves will give the ER enough leeway to Infuse, prot and rebond. Same for GDW. Also, not much can replace it of any worth. MinionExcluded 11:09, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

How about have one sin bring save yourselves + dc, and put ee on everyone - so you can jump around... it'd make the runs faster and can provide a spike heal if one ER drops by accident -Phil

Thought about it before; we had one sin with DC and AoS to recharge it more often, so they could ball, and spike certain things cleaner (i.e. Keeper of Souls) But was proven ineffective in this setup. You lose alot of DPS when not running Ascan/BuH, for not enough gain. It's not a nuke; it's constant DPS. The Overextending always irritates me, because ERs can't heal Parties like Monks can, we rely on Infuse, and OoV/Blood Bond. With a mixed physical team, it would be different- however we can spare 2 seconds to get to the foe with the damage we're packing.MinionExcluded 17:22, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Overall, Terrible

UW Physway HM

Where are the pictures? How am I supposed to do this if you don't explain everything for me?--ArrogantBastard 09:25, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

As in, for someone who has no prior knowledge of UW or a whole team? They can learn through trial and error, then. MinionExcluded 09:33, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Don't see why we couldn't get lots of screens and post a guide... probably a better idea to put it up on guru though.Roarer 16:21, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Screen of end chest or it doesn't work. And in HARD MODE, it will most definitely never work. Welcome to Clumsiness and Riposte spam. --Risus 02:18, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Riposte spam? You must be mad. About the mindblades; they have quite low health since the update and go down quickly. Clumsiness doesn't impede speed by that much. I posted screens previously, but as you wish.MinionExcluded 08:52, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Screen of Dhuum killed. 2:02 so not our best run, but proof that this works on HM. Roarer 14:50, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comments on Usage

^Would be nice. If anything can be done differently to improve speed, I'd like to hear your ideas. I imagine you could probably make a split or two for Mountains/Pools and Vale. So yes; comments and questions. MinionExcluded 13:15, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think the split we just discussed would be very useful. For people who weren't there ill post it up here: After chamber/uwg/escort 3Sins and 1 ER head off up to mountains to pop the reaper. During this time, the Necro 2nd ER and 2 Assassins do the Vale quest. After which, everyone teles up to Mountains. Thus saving 5/10 minutes or so.Roarer 16:20, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Vote

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Buh!

is buh really worth it? no one should be below 50% health so its only gonna have at most 1/3 uptime Notorious BW 11:25, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

ERs spamming infuse- you can expect them to be below 50% quite often during a fight. But the uptime in mobs is fine, as it only takes 10 seconds tops to take out a mob. MinionExcluded 12:05, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Monks?

Whar iz da hee-ulz? 94.30.43.217 07:21, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

1/10 --Iggy 's other account 08:55, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Have a go at answering this yourself. Where are the heals? MinionExcluded 08:57, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Is it really reasonable to all of 4HW at the Reaper due to update, or are all the PUG ER Infoozers going to explode and cry in an amusing way? 66.230.102.10 10:54, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Rephrase that, because I didn't quite understand the question. MinionExcluded 14:34, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

I think he means: Is it wise to do the Four Horsemen quest at the reaper due to update (i guess either leech signet or the skeletons), because he thinks pug ER ele's will explode and Q_Q Lยкץ๒๏ץ talk 22:07, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Better than Tweet/Terra/Expway?

The title says it all. Juze 13:00, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

That depends on how you get your "kicks". If you like to clear areas as fast as possible, then no. If you like to waste a minimal amount of time and have fun; kick off the shoes, loosen the tie, etc. Then yes. It's alot more fail-safe, too. The only rocky ground for a PUG would be 4Horsemen I think, but I hope I have explained it well enough for them. MinionExcluded 13:07, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

You trade a little bit of speed for a lot of fun and reliability. (And puggability for that matter)--DigitalFear 13:15, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Much slower than those but much faster for a PUG if you take time wasted on fails and re-grouping a SC into cinsideration. In other words, this is much more reliable than a SC and hence faster, also moar fun. --Iggy 's other account 14:46, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Videos?

Would somebody make a video tut for sins, maybe? :3 Juze 16:10, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I'll look into it, you're more than welcome to join us on a run though sometime if you want.Roarer 17:19, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

So, what's the average time?

And also, are guilds running this? Cause I can't seem to find any PUGs willing to run this --(Talk) 17:42, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Not many PuGs about running this, but we are trying to raise awareness. Currently our guild runs this with people off the friends list. Average time is about ~1:45 but we're discussing splits etc in the hope of bringing that down.Roarer 17:45, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Vale done in 15 minutes without cons. :O You also have to start a new run, takes 5-10 minutes to set up. No need for cons if taking Glyph of Swiftness on Emos. Btw, Escort is damn hard to do, everybody dies. What am I doing wrong? Juze 19:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

We prefer to use EoC as not only does it speed the party up, it allows the ER's to take 2 more skills between them. Our usual tactic on Escort is to have everyone wait at the bottom of the stairs bar 1 ER or the OoV (quest taker). When the blades spawn we're able to wipe the 3 groups out with ease before the Souls even get close.Roarer 19:26, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you definitely need Essence, so you can maintain ER without the crutch that is GoS. Make sure no one Over-extends; make the sins spam Ascan to cancel Hex Breaker, then the OoV can get Blood Bond down. Refrain from Infuse spamming *too* often; because you'll be soon targeted by the mindblades. Run back out of aggro range when re-casting ER. MinionExcluded 19:43, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

is there a reason you dont use critical agility specifically?--Relyk _talk 21:35, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

You get an extra PvE slot, that is of more damage value. WotA + EoC=33% IAS. MinionExcluded 21:37, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Also, +20 al is redundant because of bonds.Roarer 21:38, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

profs

could the sins be played by other classes? i dont see any noticeable difference between them and http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build%3AW/A_Enduring_Dagger (with buh! and frenzy instead of flail)Notorious BW 21:43, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

The answer is yes, they can. We regularly take Dervs and Warriors and occasionally the odd Ranger, we prefer Sins due to the high attack speed = more triggers of all the buffs. But any type of physical can be used i suppose.Roarer 21:51, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

how is the sins attack speed any different then the warrior using daggers? Notorious BW 21:56, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I think he means a generic any/A build roarer--Relyk _talk 21:55, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ah sorry, I misunderstood. Sure you can take that build, it looks fine. As far as x/a's go, as long as they've got good energy management then I don't see a reason why not.Roarer 21:59, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

ok then shouldnt we add all the any/a builds as variants on the main pg? Notorious BW 22:01, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

No need. Not that you have to have these exact Dagger builds anyway. --Iggy 's other account 22:54, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Everyone has a sin anyways--Relyk _talk 22:56, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I think it should atleast be noted so that people dont think those sin builds are the only viable options Notorious BW 22:58, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

go head and add the note then--Relyk _talk 23:10, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

So I can revert it. --Iggy 's other account 23:21, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Orders Variant

Monk primary

[[Order of the Vampire@12]	[[Blood Bond@12]	[[Draw Conditions@0]	[[Blessed Signet@4]	[[Smite Hex@16]	[[Remove Hex@0]	[[Strength of Honor@16]	[[Optional@0]

+8 from SoH and only -4 from OoV. Yeah, less healing from blood bond and OoV, but do you really need it? I also remain skeptical over the Necro's energy management, since it has a -1 energy regen, and there sometimes is a fair distance to walk/wait between fights. Dok 00:10, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

That'll work, yeah. 16 smiting, 9 divine and 10 blood?MinionExcluded 00:13, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, something like that. I don't know how much divine the monk would need; it might not need the full 15 from Blessed. I haven't tested it out. Dok 01:05, June 7, 2010 (UTC)