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GET FLAMING GUYS :D Jax Jax Jax 16:34, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

I cant really see the point of KD here. It's spike afterall.--ValeV 18:55, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
You are wrong, Knock Down's are exteremely usefull on spikes. Why the hell do you think Warriors Shock or Bull's you before they blow their load on you? --Brandnew 18:59, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
needs more steelfang. Gringo 19:07, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
Steelfang isn't updated due obvious reason. I think you will be better off with agon/d-chop instead of exec strike... like the usuall axe bar, with BB as optional for byeby prot every once in a whileSebv2727 19:10, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
I actually have d chop in as a variant. I'll add agonizing though, it seems reasonable enough :) Jax Jax Jax 23:00, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
Remove Conjure to strengthen attribute split? 12-12-3(Hammer) Amorality 13:20, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

I can't work out why anyone would use this when they didn't before? Before the nerf for BB sins it didn't require hammer mastery Exo Oo 14:01, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Err, yes they did. Hammer mastery used to affect the time it knocked down, now at 0 hammer mastery (and 8 strength), it knocks down for 4 seconds.
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