Actually doesn't look half bad, can remove balanced stance, big domages weakness spam, and unblockable! --Frosty 
10:56, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
I've done some messing around with it and like frenzy a lot more. It has good pressure and energy management with a respectable spike. - Zero.Six 
17:19, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
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- Even though this doesn't pump out the same amount of knockdowns that hammers regularly have and thus Flail becomes less efficient, it'd still mean that you have a 60AI (+20 v physical) frontliner. --Chaos? -- 00:22, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- It's too clumsy to use flail with this since it doesn't lead with a KD. I actually see this being better than pre-NF frenzy hammer's since you don't have to worry about hammer bash / heavy blow owning your cancel. Just have to see how it plays out I guess. - Zero.Six
00:58, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah what's there to worry about when your cancel recharges in 20s. --Chaos? -- 01:01, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Rush has a 20s recharge? - Zero.Six 02:54, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Enraging is mainbar'd. Karate Jesus 03:15, 27 February 2010
- Didn't the WE Hammer bar use Frenzy+Rush though? And ECharge isn't really needed( FB is 4a and HB is 5), it's just nice to have your chain ready off the bat. 03:20, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Allows Forceful -> (Prostrike + Flail) -> Heavy Blow -> Crushing -> Enraging -> Forceful -> Heavy Blow -> (Bull's). --Chaos? -- 10:31, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- Didn't the WE Hammer bar use Frenzy+Rush though? And ECharge isn't really needed( FB is 4a and HB is 5), it's just nice to have your chain ready off the bat.
- Enraging is mainbar'd. Karate
- Rush has a 20s recharge? - Zero.Six
- Yeah what's there to worry about when your cancel recharges in 20s. --Chaos? -- 01:01, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
- It's too clumsy to use flail with this since it doesn't lead with a KD. I actually see this being better than pre-NF frenzy hammer's since you don't have to worry about hammer bash / heavy blow owning your cancel. Just have to see how it plays out I guess. - Zero.Six
Wait, they didn't PvE/PvP split FB?
Oshit. I guess 5-5 then Zzzz. Karate 
Jesus 03:15, 27 February 2010
Updated the build, plays more like a conventional warrior than a hammer warrior, Forceful packs so much utility it's epic. --Frosty 00:17, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Redundant weakness is redundant? Unless it's for the 1sec activation. 03:43, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
Staggering Blow
Plz explain why it is on the bar. You already have an unblockable source of weakness costing only 4 adrenalin, and big deal 1 sec activation. Must be a better option. --Smity the Smith 04:29, March 3, 2010 (UTC)