Talk: W/any Forceful Warrior

Actually doesn't look half bad, can remove balanced stance, big domages weakness spam, and unblockable! --Frosty 10:56, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

I've done some messing around with it and like frenzy a lot more. It has good pressure and energy management with a respectable spike. - Zero.Six 17:19, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

Even though this doesn't pump out the same amount of knockdowns that hammers regularly have and thus Flail becomes less efficient, it'd still mean that you have a 60AI (+20 v physical) frontliner. --Chaos? -- 00:22, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

It's too clumsy to use flail with this since it doesn't lead with a KD. I actually see this being better than pre-NF frenzy hammer's since you don't have to worry about hammer bash / heavy blow owning your cancel. Just have to see how it plays out I guess. - Zero.Six 00:58, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah what's there to worry about when your cancel recharges in 20s. --Chaos? -- 01:01, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Rush has a 20s recharge? - Zero.Six 02:54, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Enraging is mainbar'd. Karate Jesus 03:15, 27 February 2010

Didn't the WE Hammer bar use Frenzy+Rush though? And ECharge isn't really needed( FB is 4a and HB is 5), it's just nice to have your chain ready off the bat. 03:20, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Allows Forceful -> (Prostrike + Flail) -> Heavy Blow -> Crushing -> Enraging -> Forceful -> Heavy Blow -> (Bull's). --Chaos? -- 10:31, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, they didn't PvE/PvP split FB?

Oshit. I guess 5-5 then Zzzz. Karate Jesus 03:15, 27 February 2010

Updated the build, plays more like a conventional warrior than a hammer warrior, Forceful packs so much utility it's epic. --Frosty 00:17, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Redundant weakness is redundant? Unless it's for the 1sec activation. 03:43, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

What the hell were they thinking? It's Whirling Axe on a hammer, only with more damage and Weakness. Widow maker 18:49, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Staggering Blow

Plz explain why it is on the bar. You already have an unblockable source of weakness costing only 4 adrenalin, and big deal 1 sec activation. Must be a better option. --Smity the Smith 04:29, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

I would personally go for this instead of Fierce Blow + Staggering. Terran 15:44, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

fierce is better than crushing b/c you already have an energy heavy bar--TahiriVeila 15:46, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

The current version is simular to Whirling Axe except it's worse but it causes Weakness. Terran 15:55, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

You know hammers do more DPS than axes? Misery 16:12, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Like I said, read the build page, trades kd's for domages, it has many of them --Frosty 16:46, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

The thing is, you have to use Forceful first in order for your Deep Wound to apply. An axe warrior can pretty much apply Deep Wound instantly and use Whirling When necessary. Terran 17:39, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Hence why staggering is also pretty good here. --Frosty 18:19, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Also inb4 wtf Staggering Blow, a 1sec activation (which is less with Frenzy) hammer attack is crazy. --Frosty 16:47, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yh. i've used it and It's a .66 second attack with a huge hammer. how's that not good? Exo Oo 18:44, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Weapon of Fury, Enraged Smash, Protector's Strike, Staggering Blow, Heavy Blow. Whhhaaaaaaaaat.......--Ikimono "...And my axe!" 01:24, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

If I really want damage, I'll go Axe. I hear Whirling Shock Axe does the same thing, but better! --BlazingBurdy 02:56, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

I feel like breaching NPA.

I understood this has a higher damage output than Axe, at the expense of not having a shield. --Chaos? -- 08:55, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

I hear Whirling Shock Axe does the same thing, but without the higher hammer damage, the additional damage from the skill, the Weakness, or the +dmg from Fierce Blow which Dismember doesn't have. Widow maker 13:11, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

D.Chop >>> Weakness. Weakness can be removed, disabling cannot. --BlazingBurdy 05:49, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Also, moar armors. --BlazingBurdy 05:50, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Granted, Axe could take DChop, which is great, but this and Build:W/E Whirling Axe are in fact identical but for the fact that it has an axe and this has a hammer, 2 more damage (though executioner's over bb would match it), weakness and the fact that the extra damage is on the same skill as the deep wound, so your first two attacks are more powerful at the expense of your third. Also, be brave and get more damage instead of a shield, you already have pretty high armour. In somewhere like CM or AB, DChop is also less useful since everyone's dying a lot and spending much of their time running around. Widow maker 22:51, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

If your not taking knockdowns then it doesnt have enough of an attack speed to pressure efficiently. In my opinion this is just a warrior trying to be a dervish and failing.

1. Lrn to wiki

2. Bull's Strike

3. Protector's Strike, Frenzy

4. Pressure Axe, not Dervish. durp.

--Ikimono...And my Axe! 17:16, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

stfu iki. Frenzy + hammer & +38 attack that's only four adren and removes stance does massive damage. In an 8v8 tri-melee build, this pumps.--TahiriVeila 17:43, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I was replying to a person who didn't sign and put a space before their comment to make it break the pageflow. If I knew how to add the "this unsigned comment was left by ____" I would have.--Ikimono...And my Axe! 17:46, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Eh, just go {{unsigned|name}} 21:14, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

ups i thought you were being bad at the game ^_________^--TahiriVeila 17:50, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

no problem, it happens when people don't sign.--Ikimono...And my Axe! 19:18, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't ever see this build used in RA either:

Frenzy on Hammer warriors is suicidal in RA. VoR, Empathy, Faintheartedness, blind, and weakness are far too common there. That, and since everybody's usually a block/anti-melee whore, warriors often become a #1 target. Remove RA tag [at a minimum]? --BlazingBurdy 07:36, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Frenzy isn't suicidal when you have a readily available cancel, those things apply to every melee build you can use, so unless you want to untag all melee builds from RA... Frosty 07:51, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

i seldom see this build played anywhere, and i have to admit that frenzy is more of a liability on warriors without shields. it's a novel idea, but people don't play this because there's better alternatives on the warrior, plain and simple.74.61.39.33 16:47, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

epiphany!

Bull's Strike goes in that 4th skill slot [not showing... dunno why]. What do ya'll think? IAS, IMS, More energy regen, slightly less armor [I know], but hey: no double-damage clause! :D --BlazingBurdy 05:09, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

2/5s IAS and 3/5s IMS, both costing 5 energy. What the fuck? --DANDY ^_^ -- 05:42, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Wtf?--Relyk _talk 06:06, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Energy is sufficient even without zealous. I was on vamp the whole time while using it. --BlazingBurdy 06:38, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Oops! I should've clarified that this variant is to be used by a dervish. I posted it here because I'm just too lazy to formally submit this build. :P --BlazingBurdy 07:23, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Why not just play a scythe dervish? --Lemming 07:59, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Also, why not have more energy skills since Dervishes have +4 Energy regeneration in comparison to a Warrior's +2. Angueo 08:38, September 29, 2010 (UTC)