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::::If you ask for it, you will receive. It's also called [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]] --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"><small>*[[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="purple">'''Wah'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="DAA520">'''Wah'''</font>]] <font color="purple">'''Wah!'''</font>*</small></font> 11:55, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
::::If you ask for it, you will receive. It's also called [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]] --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"><small>*[[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="purple">'''Wah'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="DAA520">'''Wah'''</font>]] <font color="purple">'''Wah!'''</font>*</small></font> 11:55, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
:::::Haha, I know. I go to the recent changes page a lot. I'm just messing around cuz I know he's mad at me now. [[User:Karate Jesus|Karate Jesus]] 11:56, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
:::::Haha, I know. I go to the recent changes page a lot. I'm just messing around cuz I know he's mad at me now. [[User:Karate Jesus|Karate Jesus]] 11:56, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
::::::I am again requesting independent mediation of this issue, as is my right according to your site policy. What we have here is a case of gang voting, possible clone voting, and moderator abuse. [[User:Moloch|Moloch]] 18:44, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
::::::I am again requesting independent mediation of this issue, as is my right according to your site policy. What we have here is a case of gang voting, possible clone voting, and moderator abuse. [[User:Moloch|Moloch]] 18:44, 14 August 2008 (EDT) Oh, and STOP CHEATING. [[User:Moloch|Moloch]] 19:09, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
:::::::A buildmaster AND an Admin have voted on it, and against your point. The issue is resolved. --[[Image:GoD Wario Sig.PNG]]<font color="Black"><small>*[[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="purple">'''Wah'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="DAA520">'''Wah'''</font>]] <font color="purple">'''Wah!'''</font>*</small></font> 18:46, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
::::::::The votes are valid. --[[User:Ibreaktoilets|<font color="Black">'''Tab'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Ibreaktoilets|<small><font color="Black">Moo</font></small>]][[Image:Tab Piplup.jpg|User:Ibreaktoilets|20px]] 18:47, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

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General Issues

General problems, such as user conduct, vandalism, and bans. Also, suggestions can be posted here. All can be resolved by an Administrator. See resolved General Issues here.

Alphawolf0019 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Probably a sock. --- Monk-icon-Ressmonkey Ressmonkey (talk) 15:02, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Dealt with. Defiant Elements Sig Test 2 *Defiant Elements* +talk 21:26, 8 August 2008 (EDT) (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Vandalizing my userpage, generally harassing and flaming me across the wiki. Selket Shadowdancer 02:53, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Also I moved the unnessacary flaming from the FFF article to his talk page. Rubbish goes in the trash I believe? Selket Shadowdancer 03:26, 9 August 2008 (EDT)
Resolved. — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 23:01, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

AJones (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Consistently wiping the Sandbox despite numerous warnings from Rawr and I. --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 22:29, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 23:00, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Jaguar (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Brian avoiding ban, see Build talk: Mo/Me Echo Smiter. --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 18:33, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 18:36, 10 August 2008 (EDT) (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

And probably aka Rangi (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log), 1RV and whatever else yall can think of on Team_-_GvG_Hex_Pressure (talk · rate). --Mafaraxas (talk) 08:15, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

It is Rangi. --Tab MooTab Piplup 08:16, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
Resolved. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 08:27, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Meowcat22 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Another terrible shitter vandalising Build:Team - GvG Hex Pressure. --Tab MooTab Piplup 08:43, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Might as well get (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log) while you're at it. --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 09:07, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
The warning is sufficient at the moment. The IP has been blocked along with User:Rangi. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 09:11, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
IP is still parading around. Apparently it wasn't blocked. --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 09:43, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
Ah right, I confused it with User: However no vandalous edits were made by User: neither sockpuppetry can be proved. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 12:17, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Karate Jesus (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Violation of PvX:1RV on Build:R/Me_Extended_Concussion_Sniper on voting; NPA against myself; refusal to let go of debated issue and general disruption to dialogue on Build_talk:R/Me_Extended_Concussion_Sniper. Warnings have been given and flaunted. Requesting third-party to review case. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 11:57, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Yay! I made the admin board lol. Karate Jesus 11:58, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
This was done in the interests of maintaining third-party neutrality and following protocol. User has clearly demonstrated that he has no intention of ceasing his antisocial behaviour, and I have proceeded with the block. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 12:00, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Build-Specific Issues

Build-Specific refers to any issue pertaining to the removal of votes, usually resolved by a Build Master or Administrator. See resolved issues here.

If you wish to dispute another user's vote, it is advised to do so on the build's talk page. This section of the noticeboard is intended to notify Admins or Build Masters of issues that can be speedily resolved (e.g. factually incorrect votes) or issues in need of mediation. Avoid debating builds or votes here.

Note: If applicable, please identify specific votes to improve admin response time.

D/any EDA PvE Scythe (talk · rate)

...How are these bad attack skills? --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 19:44, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   19:58, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
Actually it's still there. --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 05:49, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Second mention, all votes there currently are completely wrong. These are the best (and standard) attacks for PvE, no self heal is irrelevent, and no on Rends you in PvE or whatever. --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 08:31, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Rt/any Reclaim Spirits (talk · rate)

Ikimono's vote is outdated to when it was tagged for RA, now it's for pve. Sent him a notice but did not get a response. Take a look at it thx :D MuffinPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 16:02, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Vote removed. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 04:04, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Team_-_Condition_Pressure (talk · rate)

Lukejohnson talks about stopping the humsig, but, humsig in condipressure was always for the LoD, not the RC. RC cant counter condipressure, it dies after what, 10 casts on recharge? that bar is just horridly outdated/humsig is now just a great utility skill.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 22:39, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

WTF are you on? Condition pressure always humil the RC.--GoldenGoldenstarStar 02:06, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
Vote has been removed. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 04:03, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - Prepared Turrets Ranger Spike (talk · rate)

Unintelligible author vote--GoldenGoldenstarStar 02:06, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Vote removed. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 04:02, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
User just replaced his vote--GoldenGoldenstarStar 20:13, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

A/R Incendiary Crit (talk · rate)

Votes are no longer accurate. Selket Shadowdancer 05:09, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Me/Rt Simple Thievery Shutdown (talk · rate)

Power Leak added instead of Power Lock. Votes mentioning the lack of P-leak should be removed. Also votes comparing this to P-block are flatout wrong. They both have their cons and pros. --¬H4xx Master Gladius Shock 08:14, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Lack-of-PLeak votes have been removed. Power Block comparisons are valid opinions unless you have a strong argument against the concept. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 04:01, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

N/A Touching Aura (talk · rate)

I know its not the best build but it doesnt deserve a .8 and rikuno's vote makes no sense and is stupid. --DervsigAngelus(stalk|contribs) 11:22, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

It's not up to you to decide what a build "deserves". The vote in question has been removed for lack of reasoning. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 03:57, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - Post-nerf Ursanway (talk · rate)

Alleskapot's vote is nothing but a flame. It adds nothing to the discussion and has no basis in fact, only opinion. Crimson 14:49, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

There's no flaming in the vote, but it has been removed due to lack of relevant reasoning. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 03:58, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - Paragon Condition Shutdown (talk · rate)

lol, sorry to bring this up again, but the votes of Cato Aetius (lacks reasoning), Psychiatric Consultant (I left a message on his talk, so he might change it), Hole (it has D-Shot, Daze, other interrupts and Blackout, whereas the new Build:Team_-_GvG_Dual_Ranger_Condition_Pressure only has conditional Daze+interrupts), MrMetalFlower (builds aren't meant to stand on their own completely, that's why we make team builds, and splitting has become less important, anyway), GoD (I left a message on his page because I updated the build according to his vote) and Froggerton (lacks reasoning). ــмıкεнaшк 22:49, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 12:53, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

A/E Perma-SF Daggers Farmer (talk · rate)

Jjberks. long story short, i voted low on his build:W/E Conjure Hundred Hamstrings‎ so he went to a build of "mine" and vote it all 0's.--reason.decrystallized In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys. 23:28, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

k. --    Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   01:12, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Jiberks vote gives absolutely no reasoning, it's a rant, not a vote, regardless of numbers. I brought this up on his talk page but so far it has been ignored. Selket Shadowdancer 20:21, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Nvm he changed it as soon as I posted this, lol. Selket Shadowdancer 20:24, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

W/E Conjure Hundred Hamstrings (talk · rate)

my low vote here prompted the low vote i complained about above. i discussed some on talk page, but i think that the 5e votes might be a tad high. just a tad. a smidgen, really.--reason.decrystallized In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys. 23:28, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

The page has been redirected to another page; there are only two low votes and no high votes. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 03:57, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - AB Manlyway (talk · rate)

Removal of my vote with absolutely no valid reasoning whatsoever. I'll keep reapplying my vote until a VALID reasoning is given. "Not manly enough" is not a valid reason, that's trolling. Selket Shadowdancer 08:17, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh right, feel free to revote then. --Tab MooTab Piplup 08:19, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
I already did. Selket Shadowdancer 08:20, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

R/Me Extended Concussion Sniper (talk · rate)

Author requests a vote wipe. Build has been changed and has better energy management (the reason several votes were poor). Karate Jesus 20:14, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Mkkay. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   20:39, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

I think some votes need to be looked after. Extremely horrible energy along with no D-Shot and EC on a Ranger isn't viable at all. --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 08:07, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Tab Smashed. --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 08:09, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
^ --Tab MooTab Piplup 08:10, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - AB Rangerway (talk · rate)

Skakid's vote does not give valid reasoning, have posted on discussion page but no response. --ιtокагџ ιѕ ѕяѕвѕлѕ, малItokaruSignature 02:40, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Removed. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 05:45, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

A/Me Solo Assassin Farmer (talk · rate)

I took the liberty of unarchiving this and moving back into testing for a revote as all the other SF builds were unarchived. Please remove all votes for a fair re-test. Selket Shadowdancer 06:39, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Vote page has been refreshed. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 07:19, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

N/Rt Portable Cannon Healer (talk · rate)

Requesting mediation regarding this build. Rapta cannot claim objectivity. See talk page. Moloch 09:53, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

I opened the Talk page and saw NPA. Blocked for 1 day. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 11:50, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
Build issues was also saw as no issue by Rapta, thus resolved. --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 11:52, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
Scottie, do you and Deals just follow each other around like butt-buddies? I've said much worse than what's on that build page and I haven't been banned (honestly, so have you). Come on, know you want to ban me. It's only fair.Karate Jesus 11:54, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
If you ask for it, you will receive. It's also called Recent changes --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 11:55, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
Haha, I know. I go to the recent changes page a lot. I'm just messing around cuz I know he's mad at me now. Karate Jesus 11:56, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
I am again requesting independent mediation of this issue, as is my right according to your site policy. What we have here is a case of gang voting, possible clone voting, and moderator abuse. Moloch 18:44, 14 August 2008 (EDT) Oh, and STOP CHEATING. Moloch 19:09, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

E/any_Ele_KD_Lock_Down (talk · rate)

Full of bad votes, probably including mine. Brandnew. 19:53, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Please specify and explain votes that require immediate removal. If there is no factual inaccuracies, please discuss on the build talk page. The report is too ambiguous. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 03:57, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
Some have been removed. --Tab MooTab Piplup 12:28, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Rt/N_New_age_minion_bomber (talk · rate)

Stange votes. I don't think those 3 people ever played a minion bomber or ever saw one of them and copying eachothers votes. A bomber is almost always rit prime so that a strange comment already from someone who says it needs nec prime. And a bomber is made to deal immensive shockwaves to groups when needed. It isn't a MM that uses its minions to fight. It bombs and then it makes new minions for the next fight. The last comment from someone is that you haven't healing. Well i dunno but a bomber is defenetly not for soloing :Probertjan 03:14, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

N/any Hybrid MoP MM (talk · rate)

Moloch's rating. Energy is fine and mentions needing self defense in a team game. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 03:37, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab MooTab Piplup 12:27, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Me/Rt AoD Mesmer (talk · rate)

Hole's vote.--Relyk IkeR e l y k 05:54, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Specify problem. --Scottie bow Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 08:57, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
Elaboration on the reasoning requested. --Tab MooTab Piplup 12:27, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

W/any Flourishing Stances (talk · rate)

Current build rating is not what a build like that deserves. --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 07:54, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab MooTab Piplup 12:24, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Me/Rt AoD Mesmer (talk · rate)

Auron's vote. AoD doesn't apply to cast time, it applies to duration. --GoD Wario Sig*Wah Wah Wah!* 10:26, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

^ --Tab MooTab Piplup 12:25, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

A/E Glimmering Essence (talk · rate)

terribad, but in trial and needs vote wipe.--reason.decrystallized In real life, pokemons would be used as sex toys. 14:14, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 14:36, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

General Coding Issues

Coding refers to any issue or bug that needs to be dealt with by a Server Administrator (Gcardinal or Hhhippo). See resolved issues here. PvXcode related issues have their own section below.

RealVetting Updated

I made the following changes to the rating extension:

  • Users who don't fulfill the requirements for voting can now see the existing votes in read-only mode, together with a message explaining why they can't vote. In particular, anonymous users can view the votes.
  • Innovation was changed to a checkbox. It is displayed as 'O' or 'X' for each user's vote and as a percentage value in the totals. The weighting was not changed.

Comments and test results are welcome on my talk page. – HHHIPPO ‹sysop› 17:48, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Rating Page Lock

We need a way to lock rating pages from additions and removals(Like a page protection). Also useful for archived builds, to keep the rating page unchanged. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:53, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Recent Changes

The RSS and Atom feeds don't work. ¬ Klumpeet 15:45, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Sort Function

This is a perfect example of this function. Not sure what we could use it for, but we could find some use... Sort builds by Effect/Univ/Inno maybe? If we ever get that function. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   20:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Trial Builds

Is there a reason a huge number of them aren't showing up in Special:GraceExpired? — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 17:26, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Changing the vlink Attribute

I've tried about every combination/position I can think of. Is it possible to change the color of vlinks on the wiki? Choytw sig 1ChoytW [POND] 17:28, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

i'd assume you'd have to alter your monobook.css...(i'm assuming Vlinks are the [[gww:]]and[[gw:]])
He's talking about the "visited" property of a link. He wants to change the website's default color of a link that you've visited to some other color for a selection of specific links. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 20:01, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Visited links' color can be changed only by CSS. So you have to change your monobook (User:username/monobook.css). Add the following entry:
a:visited {
	color: #660099;
Use color of your choice. Note that the changes will be seen only by you and applies to all links. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 00:22, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Using #ifeq

Can we use that function here? If so, I have some questions concerning how I'm trying to implement it. ╠╣Ω¥†\/[ÞΩ┌┐Ð] 21:12, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Ok...I got #ifeq to work, but only by removing the conditional code and putting it on its own template and including it into the original template. This works when I don't want it to show up, but when I do, none of the formatting is carrying over to the part which is a template inside a template. Is it because it is twice removed or is there a work-around (I even tried something like {{{PAGENAME}}}.variable lol). I appreciate any help I get with this. ╠╣Ω¥†\/[ÞΩ┌┐Ð] 22:51, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

it has been two figured it was time for a bump. If someone knows who to ask on their talk, please pass it along. Thanks ╠╣Ω¥†\/[ÞΩ┌┐Ð] 20:31, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
Hhhippo or GCard are probably the right people - But GCard hasn't been on in a while, and Hhhippo usually checks the noticeboard. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   20:33, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
Question: Are you using it correctly? It seems to be working. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 01:47, 14 August 2008 (EDT)
If you would like, you can take a look at the history here I stopped using it until I can get it fixed. The difficulty seemed to happen when I tried to use the value for a variable on the inclusion page to get something to show up. If you want a more detailed explanation, feel free to drop a message on my talk. ╠╣Ω¥†\/[ÞΩ┌┐Ð] 15:20, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

PvXcode Issues

Coding issues related to PvXcode. See also PvXwiki talk:PvXcode. Resolved issues are moved here.

Please do not leave posts about skills not being up to date, we don't change the descriptions.

Dash and Expertise

Expertise doesn't reduce the energy cost of dash. See Build:R/A Exhausting Assault Ranger|here. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:48, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Expertise isn't meant to reduce energy cost of Dash (see what expertise effects; Ranger skills, attack skills, touch skills and binding rituals). /FrosTalk\ 18:01, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
That's... wow. They changed it back in October of 2006, and I never noticed XD I still thought it affected all non-spell skills :P ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 19:06, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
"For each rank of Expertise, the Energy cost of all of your attacks, Rituals, touch skills and Rangers skills are decreased by 4%." Just FYI, from GWW. --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 19:14, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
An admin that's two years out of date, you need an update :P /FrosTalk\ 21:18, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
The funny thing is, I probably would have noticed if my suggestion below was implemented :P ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 23:31, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
Ironic or what ;) /FrosTalk\ 23:34, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Mouse-over Attribute descriptions

Would it be possible to have mousing over an attribute display the in-game description of that attribute? ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:48, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I agree with the idea, surely it could use the same wiki code or whatever as the ratings? When you hover over Innovation it gives you a description of it, surelt it could be done for attributes? /FrosTalk\ 07:59, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking about that. It would be nice (especially when calculating things like Expertise and Critical Strikes). --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 07:59, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Hex Breaker

Build:Team - HB Blackout Spike, in the optional list it says it lasts 65s@10. However, it is actually 55 in game. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:26, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

A lot of skills haven't been updated on PvX since the split between PvP and PvE skills, I'm not sure what PvX is going to do to show the difference between the skills in PvP and PvE. Byakko 02:59, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Hex breaker isn't a split pve/pvp skill, nor has its duration been changed recently. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 03:34, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
Well this Wiki uses historic Skill Data (Back from March 2008) which was way before the Splitting and therefore a skill doesnt need to have been changed recently in order to be displayed wrong here. And thats not the only issue here 07:58, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
Ah, you're right (/doh) I also saw the note about asking about updates above so I guess is best to manually crosscheck wiki's to be sure sorry WB ^^ Byakko 19:20, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Health Sacrifice

The fact that health sacrificed doesn't show up in the skill mouseover is kind of annoying. Is there any hope that it will be added? --CJNyfalt 17:35, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

I believe that that is GWshack's task, might be wrong though. Brandnew. 17:36, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
See here. Either gwshack is not up to date or <pvxbig> is not compatible. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 19:27, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
It's a pvxcode problem. gwshack shows sacrifice costs as part of the skill cost now. ~ ZamaneeJinnSigZamanee(point out my idiocy) 19:37, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Chilling Victory

Just to bring to attention, the Chilling Victory now has 2 different attribute lines based on PvE and PvP. So it might be something you guys should be able to handle or not. Huynh Sanity 00:05, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

We haven't gotten any split PvE/PvP skills working yet :( We'll figure it out (eventually) ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 00:52, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm wondering if it's time to start to put some restrictions on builds being tagged for both PvE and PvP. Maybe adding a type=pve or type=pvp option to PvX code would be the solution? --CJNyfalt 01:34, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
I think the cleanest solution lies in the creation of a skill database on PvX. Last I checked, it was ~80% done; we're waiting on a new test server. Defiant Elements Sig Test 2 *Defiant Elements* +talk 01:36, 11 July 2008 (EDT)
For the time being, can't we just use a [Chilling Victory@<insert rank in wind prayers>] for CV? 19pxAce (LVPoW) 00:39, 12 July 2008 (EDT)
Yes, you can, but that only works in this case. Most other split skills didn't just have their attribute changed :( ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 00:39, 13 July 2008 (EDT)
Aww beat me to itPuneY 00:37, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
PvP/PvE changes are fixed now? [1] for proof. Look at Watch yourself and look at PvP version of it. 19pxAce(LVPoW) 19:52, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Missing Build

Erm, not sure if anyone has noticed, but while I was setting up my competition, I noticed no A/P builds, I am certain there was a Dark Apostasy Spear build vetted on the wiki, it was in Other, but I thought it may have been archived, but not there, does anyone have any light on such an issue, of builds just dissapearing, it was similiar to this User:Saint/Build:A/P_Spear_Of_Disenchantment Frosty No U! 14:38, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

I think it was slowly unfavoured, although it should have been archived. It used Remedy Signet instead of Assassin's Remedy (which was a bad choice) and something else instead of Wearying Strike. ــмıкεнaшк 14:42, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

These are the deleted A/P builds that are still in our database. If you can find a bored admin, he might look them through to restore and archive the one you're missing. Build:A/PCritical_Conditions, Build:A/P_Anthemous_Assassin, Build:A/P_Assachucher, Build:A/P_Assassin's_Fury, Build:A/P_Assassin's_Weariness, Build:A/P_CA_Assassin, Build:A/P_Commanding_Assassin, Build:A/P_Condition_Sin, Build:A/P_Crip_Anthem_Sin, Build:A/P_Crippling_Anthem_Assassin, Build:A/P_Crit_Spear, Build:A/P_Crit_Spear_Disenchanter, Build:A/P_Critcal_Spear, Build:A/P_Critical_Conditions, Build:A/P_Critical_Fury, Build:A/P_Critical_Harpooner, Build:A/P_Critical_Shouter, Build:A/P_Critical_Spear, Build:A/P_Critical_Spear_Sin, Build:A/P_Critical_Spears, Build:A/P_Defensive_Spear, Build:A/P_Disenchanting_spear, Build:A/P_Falling_Blades, Build:A/P_Falling_blades, Build:A/P_Fox's_Promise_Spearchucker, Build:A/P_Infection_of_Fury, Build:A/P_Merciless_Fox, Build:A/P_Mighty_Sinspear, Build:A/P_Mighty_Spearsin, Build:A/P_Multi_Target_Striker, Build:A/P_Pressure_Spear, Build:A/P_PvE_Critical_Spear-chucker, Build:A/P_Repeating_Lotus, Build:A/P_Seeping_Critical_Daggers, Build:A/P_Seeping_Criticals, Build:A/P_Shattering_Weakness, Build:A/P_Shuriken_Assassin, Build:A/P_Siphon_Spear_Shrine_Capper, Build:A/P_Spear_Assassin, Build:A/P_Spear_of_Apostasy, Build:A/P_Stunning_Assassin, Build:A/P_Way_of_the_Repeating_Critical, Build:A/P_Way_of_the_Spear – HHHIPPO ‹sysop› 17:19, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Anyone with Disenchantment/Dark Apostasy/Anything to do with a DA Spear Sin would be it, the CA Assassin was mine :D Frosty No U! 17:23, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Where u want it. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:25, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Don't worry, Dont got it. Frosty No U! 17:28, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
We are discussing if it should be archived. I dont think it should, as it was never meta. Copy paste or move it to your userspace, and then we/I will delete it. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:29, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
It was vetted in November, and went unfavourewd in May, Archive imo, it just fell out of favour, that's what happens to some builds that get archived. Frosty No U! 17:33, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
It was never in favor tho. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:35, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Since it wasn't really meta and we already have tons of archived builds, it will be deleted after all. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 17:44, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Deleted. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:45, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
It was Build:A/P_Crit_Spear_Disenchanter. It had been in the Other or Good category, then a couple people rated it down to have it trashed. I'm pretty sure we only archive Good and Great builds, though, so it was deleted as it should have been. That contest version would be an improvement, though. =P ــмıкεнaшк 21:44, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

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