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Team - AB Defensive (talk · rate)

Overrating, sins die in 3 seconds in AB and rits in ab are bad. Committing 3 people to capping ability makes poor pvp fights. There isn't any strategy discussed in ab like gvg and ha so idk if I'm correct about it all though.--ShadowRelyk Sig.gif 00:13, 20 November 2008 (EST)

No. If you actually notice in AB, support rits run around doing whatever they do best-supporting when some annoying assacaster comes to knocklock the poor monk. Sins run around ganking people, and you will be surprised how they can sometimes survive even though you team up against them.152.226.7.213 04:29, 24 November 2008 (EST)
MY problem is it would get rolled by the other ab builds we have on wiki though.--ShadowRelyk Sig.gif 11:43, 24 November 2008 (EST)
It isn't defensive for nothing, tbh.PikaFanLightningbolt sig.jpg 12:08, 24 November 2008 (EST)
HC their main attacker, pin down on the secondary, and you are free to run away unless they bring ER and some other hex/condi counter crap. Make haste on the monk, fall back on the rest will ensure your safety tbh.PikaFanLightningbolt sig.jpg 12:10, 24 November 2008 (EST)
AB isn't about being defensive. Asdfg 12:31, 24 November 2008 (EST)
When you run a cap group, it is. You want to avoid as much encounters as possible because you will fail terribly should you let that happen.PikaFanLightningbolt sig.jpg 13:10, 24 November 2008 (EST)
Discuss it on the Talk, not the AN. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 13:14, 24 November 2008 (EST)
Removed frosties, he's the only vote i had an issue with. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:18, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Team - AB Dual Physical (talk · rate)

Mar's vote. Build changes, and it can do all those extremely effectively. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 07:29, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Appears to be resolved. — Rapta Rapta Icon1.gif (talk|contribs) 17:39, 27 November 2008 (EST)

R/A Deep Defense Tank (talk · rate)

Could you remove the vote of Nephotep on the build R/A Deep Defense Tank? He gave an unreasonably low vote on this for his reason, and his is the only vote below a 3.0 on the page. Stryk the Lightning 19:39, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:54, 26 November 2008 (EST)

R/Me Feral Totem Axe Farmer (talk · rate)

Also, if you could, remove the votes of Leyton Boss and/or Ressmonkey on the build R/Me Feral Totem Axe Farmer. The votes are low, and do not have very good reasons. However, removing the votes would also cause the build to have less than five votes. Stryk the Lightning 19:39, 20 November 2008 (EST)

don't see anything wrong,. Resolved. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:20, 3 December 2008 (EST)

A/any Deadly Corruption Spike (talk · rate)

Brandnews vote. Selket Shadowdancer 09:44, 22 November 2008 (EST)

I think Frv removed it, but it has been reapplied again. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 07:25, 23 November 2008 (EST)
Bans in order if this idiocy keeps up. Selket Shadowdancer 07:55, 23 November 2008 (EST)
Banned for 3. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:47, 26 November 2008 (EST)

D/N Arcane Orders Dervish (talk · rate)

Mike's vote. 3.4 for the most overpowered Orders spammer seems a little stupid. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 10:04, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:48, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Team - Condition Pressure (talk · rate)

Massive's vote. IA nerf doesn't make unusable, and compares it to a spike build. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 17:31, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:49, 26 November 2008 (EST)

A/R Critical Barrager (talk · rate)

Many of the votes are outdated or dont explain reasoning, like Shen's. The inherent advantage of a critical barrager lies in its utility, not its damage, through skills like critical defenses and keen arrow. Critical Agility+Critical Defenses makes for nice block and perma-IAS, and Keen really boosts damage with critical strikes. -- Jebuscontests 20:13, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Resolved. — Rapta Rapta Icon1.gif (talk|contribs) 17:42, 27 November 2008 (EST)
VendingMachine states that higher level hard mode creatures lower critical hit percentage. wtf. and he again misses the point that the advantage of the critbarrager over a regular barrager is utility, like critical defenses/agility. Gates may be partially correct, but the utility is greater and in any case, its not 0-0-0. Ressmonkey also misses the point. -- Jebuscontests 18:03, 27 November 2008 (EST)
resolved. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:44, 5 December 2008 (EST)

W/P Dragon Slash Warrior (talk · rate)

Auron's vote Muffin.jpgPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 13:29, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Build archived, no action needed. — Rapta Rapta Icon1.gif (talk|contribs) 17:40, 27 November 2008 (EST)
I vote to restore the build and the other build, because the merge is unnecessary. See discussion on [1]. The next time something like this is done please do not archive the builds that are going to get merged before the new build is vetted. As it stands now we have two missing great Warrior builds and one that is in testing and changes daily and is not able to replace the two original builds. Irkm Desmet 05:35, 2 December 2008 (EST)
Take it to the builds talk, not the AN please. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:44, 5 December 2008 (EST)

A/any Deadly Corruption Spike (talk · rate)

Brandnews troll vote. Not the first time. Selket Shadowdancer 13:47, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Done+Ban. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:47, 26 November 2008 (EST)

A/W MoI Dagger Sin (talk · rate)

GoD's vote, MoI isn't half bad especially with the current meta. Not 0-0-0 worthy --Dervsig.pngAngelus 15:31, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Its trash anyway. Most other people explained the reasoning. -- Jebuscontests 17:31, 23 November 2008 (EST)

R/W Melandru's Shot Turret (talk · rate)

Put back into Trial after some small changes to the bar. ــмıкεнaшк 18:00, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:50, 26 November 2008 (EST)

E/N Shatterstone Elementalist (talk · rate)

Votes are inaccurate. Amorbot Terrorize 21:59, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Which votes are?152.226.7.213 22:01, 23 November 2008 (EST)
Votes 1-5. Amorbot Terrorize 22:05, 23 November 2008 (EST)
no. -- Jebuscontests 22:59, 23 November 2008 (EST)

W/any PvE Dragon Slash (talk · rate)

Updated since some of the votes i think.--ShadowRelyk Sig.gif 11:40, 24 November 2008 (EST)

only 1 vote since GoD overhauled it, so vote wipe seemed easiest. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 16:18, 27 November 2008 (EST)
Merge tags removed. — Rapta Rapta Icon1.gif (talk|contribs) 17:36, 27 November 2008 (EST)
I vote to restore the build and the other build, because the merge is unnecessary. See discussion on [2]. The next time something like this is done please do not archive the builds that are going to get merged before the new build is vetted. For this build a revote could be necessary but i say we restore it for the time being. Irkm Desmet 05:38, 2 December 2008 (EST)
Again, take it to the build talk, not the AN. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:46, 5 December 2008 (EST)

D/Me Imbue Healer (talk · rate)

RV1 has been broken like 8 times today by some IP address and a couple others. Might need intervention. Xsig.png 11:46, 25 November 2008 (EST)

It seems to have cooled. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:52, 26 November 2008 (EST)

E/N Shatterstone Elementalist (talk · rate)

Severe revert war faggotry over WELL vs archive. --Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 17:36, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Settled down. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:52, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Team - HA Lame Condition Pressure (talk · rate)

Frosty's vote is incorrect contacted him on his page also. Fox007 User:Fox007 17:38, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:43, 26 November 2008 (EST)

R/W BA Turret (talk · rate)

One vote rates down because its tagged for RA (which apparently is hard from his point of view) and lacks a self-heal. No. -- Jebuscontests 23:05, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   23:07, 25 November 2008 (EST)
Same person revoted with the same reason. Little survivability but if you kill them first ur fine. Plus interrupts=disable=no kill for them. -- Jebuscontests 23:28, 29 November 2008 (EST)
gone. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:49, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Team - Asuran and Ebon Assassin Squad (talk · rate)

Reasons vote. First of all, not 0-0-0 worthy and QZ is wasted? It recharges your summons and sins faster and the energy is no problem for the monk since it won't have to heal much anyway because of the imbagon. This is Angelus BTW --72.131.24.125 23:27, 25 November 2008 (EST)

fixed.--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 00:03, 26 November 2008 (EST)

D/W PvE Avatar of Balthazar Dervish (talk · rate)

Goldenstar, Zerak-Tul, and Massive's votes. It's tagged for heroes, and thus Eternal Aura is in variants. Toraen (Talk/Contrib) 02:37, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:56, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Team - Smiteway (talk · rate)

Significant build changes. Has much better damage as well as /N Smiters. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 11:37, 27 November 2008 (EST)

done. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 16:30, 27 November 2008 (EST)

D/Me Imbue Healer (talk · rate)

Serious overrating for a bar that can't remove a single Hex or Condition and has to go through a chain to get a heal that recharges decently. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 15:53, 27 November 2008 (EST)

notably Liger and Psychiatric Consultant. A single monk with WoH (plus prots) can out-powerheal this, and those votes give it a 5-5-X based on powerheals. - McTai Tai Sig Image 3.png 05:31, 28 November 2008
done. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:53, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Team - HB Cripshot Team (talk · rate)

if i remember, smile's igor's sock, wasn't he? ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) Cuz Steve said so... ツ 19:09, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Yes, he was, resolved. - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby.gif 04:25, 28 November 2008 (EST)

A/W Disciplined Shove (talk · rate)

Railin's vote. Exactly the same as when it was removed (see Lukejohnson's). --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 08:33, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Mis got it. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:37, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Team - Discord Spam (talk · rate)

DarkSpirit. You shouldn't rant about variants for a build, and if you're a Warrior you'd probably be running Sabway, a Paragon you'd do Racthothway (or w/e). He only briefly mentions casters as being "meh" and no expansion. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 07:43, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Nice joke! +1
No wonder everyone in guild wars community laughs at your knowledge of discordway.
DarkSpirit is right about variants, useless section is useless and HIDER I RUN DISCORDWAY WITH MY WARRIOR NO PROBLEM WHATS YOUR POINT???!!!
Discordway is the best hero setup for vanquishing at the moment even Racthoh himself admits it.--Anonimous. 10:05, 29 November 2008 (EST)
Still, you don't mark a build down for it's variants. Variants are different from optionals; they are what optimize your party for each map you vanquish. If it's useless, remove it and explain why.PikaFanLightningbolt sig.jpg 10:09, 29 November 2008 (EST)
I think DarkSpirit meant optionals by variants. People mix them up very often. --Anonimous. 10:12, 29 November 2008 (EST)
Ah, I understand now.PikaFanLightningbolt sig.jpg 10:39, 29 November 2008 (EST)
Removed (as well as someone elses). Enfeebling was added and there's 4 more slots, so there's room for an imba like he wanted. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 16:00, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Team - Cryway Deep Group (talk · rate)

Adjusted for updates (finally), probably needs vote wipe. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{Bacon}} 09:49, 29 November 2008 (EST)

done ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 10:18, 29 November 2008 (EST)

D/Me Imbue Healer (talk · rate)

Kamer's vote, he obviously didn't read the build if he thinks SoPL can be interrupted. CrazyCow 10:17, 29 November 2008 (EST)

One second casts get interrupted easy. If you cant then you're a bad ranger. -- Jebuscontests 12:33, 29 November 2008 (EST)
Mmmm Pious Concentration...--Release Enchantmentsliger414bleh.jpg Liger414 talk 12:35, 29 November 2008 (EST)
(EC) pious concentration says hi. ツ ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) Cuz Steve said so... ツ 12:36, 29 November 2008 (EST)
What they said. CrazyCow 15:11, 29 November 2008 (EST)
yeah i should probably have looked at the build... -- Jebuscontests 15:15, 29 November 2008 (EST)
Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:33, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Rt/Mo The Martyr (talk · rate)

Blah10 has yet another trial vote...*Sigh* →J.J. berks (contrib) 13:03, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Resolved. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 13:44, 29 November 2008 (EST)

A/W Temple Spike (talk · rate)

Changed the build completely, pls vote swipe. →J.J. berks (contrib) 22:46, 29 November 2008 (EST)

done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   11:17, 30 November 2008 (EST)

N/any WoD Curses (talk · rate)

Press ctrl+f and look for the 4 votesvotes that rate 4! -- Jebuscontests 23:32, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Good nuff? Or the 4.8 also? ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   07:48, 30 November 2008 (EST)
It doesnt lack flexibility. Meh, u decide. -- Jebuscontests 13:42, 30 November 2008 (EST)

R/any Energized Ranger (talk · rate)

most of the votes talk about the use of barrage + preps, while this build was changed to be BA + needling Muffin.jpgPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 12:48, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Done ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:57, 30 November 2008 (EST)

D/W Shove Scythe (talk · rate)

Removed Frenzy, general skill bar update. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 21:32, 1 December 2008 (EST)

Resolved, votes wiped. — Rapta Rapta Icon1.gif (talk|contribs) 02:41, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Mo/W_Mowa_Cripslash (talk · rate)

Yeah, I know it got trashed but spam votes are still spam. Zefirsig.jpgGod Zefir 13:07, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Resolved, it seems. — Rapta Rapta Icon1.gif (talk|contribs) 02:42, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Me/any LA Interruptbot (talk · rate)

Tai's vote. There's not "too many interrupts" and it in no way halts effectiveness. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 18:12, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Changed my vote to explain my reasoning more Tai sig Image 78.png 18:16, 2 December 2008

Mo/N ZB Shrine Defender (talk · rate)

Heal Area/Karei's Healing Circle is used by quite a number of monks in JQ to keep shrines alive. One cast is enough to screw up N/A bombers from clearing the shrine. PikaFanLightningbolt sig.jpg 07:48, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Those skills are terrible. You only need ONE ally left alive. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   11:24, 4 December 2008 (EST)

A/D Critical Wounder (talk · rate)

Robertjanvaneijk1988's vote, has snare now. Rickyvantof's vote and Dark Morphon's vote, being able to dw and able to do so without blind, along with bleeding and spammability, it isn't inferior to using Wearying Strike.--ShadowRelykRelyk srs.gif 11:11, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   11:31, 4 December 2008 (EST)

Team_-_TA_Empathic_Rangers (talk · rate)

Pretty sure it's not lacking damage. 86.143.22.113 18:00, 4 December 2008 (EST)

done. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 16:06, 5 December 2008 (EST)


A/P The Regenerator (talk · rate)

votes on trial build.--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 16:26, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Resolved. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 16:27, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Team - AB Defenseway (talk · rate)

Timmy's vote is pretty bad.--Relyk chtistmas2.jpgChristmasRelyk 06:11, 6 December 2008 (EST)

looks fine to me really. Another Admin or a BM may Disagree though. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:29, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Rt/Mo The Martyr (talk · rate)

Lukes vote is strange, cause I never saw any working Martyr Smiting build in AB, GoD's vote is wrong, this doesnt run into any energy problems, and rit healers are nice. →J.J. berks (contrib) 08:23, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Me/N FC Necrosis Spammer (talk · rate)

Build changes, practically none of the votes are valid. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 09:10, 6 December 2008 (EST)

done. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 16:58, 6 December 2008 (EST)

R/A Deep Defense Tank (talk · rate)

Remove the vote of Armond, who voted very low saying 'certainly a good tank' but rating it down because of the team it is supposed to be in, apparently. Also remove the vote of Eloc Jcg who gives a five-word reason that doesn't make sense or explain anything for a moderately low vote.Stryk the Lightning 17:20, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Resolved--GoldenGoldenstar.JPGStar 00:34, 7 December 2008 (EST)

E/W Searing Flames RA (talk · rate)

Luke's vote is soooo sooooo dumb. --Xmassigangelus.jpg 15:25, 7 December 2008 (EST)

resolved--GoldenGoldenstar.JPGStar 16:01, 7 December 2008 (EST)

D/W AoL Attack Spammer (talk · rate)

ninpou's vote is very lol.--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 15:52, 7 December 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   15:55, 7 December 2008 (EST)
Eloc Jcg's vote has nothing to do with why he voted it 3.8 "I never really understood why people brough Conviction, but I use this on my hero. " is all he said
forgot to sign for above quote ( i think i wrote it..duno im pretty sure i did) Muffin.jpgPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 00:22, 10 December 2008 (EST)
Done. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:30, 13 December 2008 (EST)

P/any Song of Restoration Paragon (talk · rate)

Ikimono's vote says that "TPiY!" heals. At all. Even if it did, it would be with crappy skills. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 07:24, 8 December 2008 (EST)

Resolved. — Rapta Rapta Icon1.gif (talk|contribs) 15:53, 8 December 2008 (EST)

R/Mo Cripshot (talk · rate)

Massive's vote. Cripshot in the shadow? Tai sig Image 78.png 13:25, 8 December 2008

Gold got it I think. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:10, 8 December 2008 (EST)

A/W HB "Coward!" Assassin (talk · rate)

Viktor's vote for not understand what a coward sin is for, and that its for HB. Also, Golden's vote for just being stupid =P. Hero mechanics make the build very good. Also, frenzy > flail in the build because flail wont work with coward if you want to use it immediatly. Gringo 18:48, 8 December 2008 (EST)

Taken care of, i don't even remember voting on that build =\ Must have been back when coward was 6 adren--GoldenGoldenstar.JPGStar 19:44, 8 December 2008 (EST)

Mo/W AoF Arena Monk (talk · rate)

Wiplash... changed trash to great... →J.J. berks (contrib) 21:59, 9 December 2008 (EST)

explain to me how that requires admin attention. reverting. Gringo 22:12, 9 December 2008 (EST)
lol... im a nub.. how do u revert? →J.J. berks (contrib) 22:13, 9 December 2008 (EST)
you go to history, compare versions and just revert his version back to the original. or you can do what goldenstar did, and just put the right tag back on it. Gringo 22:14, 9 December 2008 (EST)

E/Mo Ether Healer (talk · rate)

Misery, Racthoh's and Auron's votes. Rits can't heal and buff as much as the Ether Healer without killing their energy (OoS isn't enough, and everything else sucks, tbh). This isn't meant to be the only support character in a group; you're supposed to take it with a protter. Spamming party heals and a ~300 point heal with almost no drawbacks is better than a couple single-target prots; there's a reason Healing Prayers is more popular than Protection Prayers in PvE. ــмıкεнaшк 07:17, 11 December 2008 (EST)

I agree with them, I'd much rather not take the damage in the first place...Also the heals don't heal for much without DF or Monk runes... ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:35, 13 December 2008 (EST)

D/any EDA PvE Scythe (talk · rate)

Auron's vote. Not every single instance of PvE is lvl 10 foes who drop in 2 scythe swings. It's called Hard Mode. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 07:30, 11 December 2008 (EST)

done. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:36, 13 December 2008 (EST)

E/W Searing Flames RA (talk · rate)

Ricky and Unexist need more reasoning tbh. -- Jebuscontests 16:37, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Ricky's seemed fine to me. Removed Unexists though. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:39, 13 December 2008 (EST)

R/any Incendiary Interrupt (talk · rate)

Moved back to trial. Requesting vote wipe. Toraen (Talk/Contrib) 18:58, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Moved back to testing, there was one skil change and removal of a few tags, hardly seemedvote wipe worthy. Removed a few votes on change in tags and one for other reasons. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:43, 13 December 2008 (EST)

W/E Shock Axe (talk · rate)

unexist ups. -- Jebuscontests 22:17, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Frv got it. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:45, 13 December 2008 (EST)

A/D Onslaught Assassin (talk · rate)

Some of the votes might need revision, but the 1/4 cast and 5 energy makes this way more worthwhile--Relyk chtistmas2.jpgChristmasRelyk 22:43, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Actually no, what was changed was never the problem with the build, so the votes are valid. -- Gringo TALK 14:56, 12 December 2008(EST)
only one vote and that was made today...seems fine. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:46, 13 December 2008 (EST)

A/W Solo Palm Strike Spiker (talk · rate)

Any of the 000 votes are all fucking autistic.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig.PNG 00:34, 12 December 2008 (EST)
Resolved. Mind PvX:NPA. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 05:52, 12 December 2008 (EST)

A/W Collapsing Spike (talk · rate)

Ojama changed it into a completely different build, but it isn't the build that was vetted at first, some insight from admins would be nice. Jelmewnema 16:07, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Its fine. Was already in variants. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:08, 12 December 2008 (EST)
ThnxJelmewnema 16:09, 12 December 2008 (EST)

W/any Primal Rage Axe (talk · rate)

Any trash votes need to be removed. See Readem, the token experienced player. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 19:07, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Or you can take Frenzy + Axe Rake ffs. Primal Rage isn't good since you still need a cancel stance. And it isn't RaO for axes, you don't have a pet and you don't take double damage. --Xmassigangelus.jpg 23:48, 12 December 2008 (EST)
Tabs looked it over (and done some removal) so I'll say resolved. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:50, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Rt/any Spirit's Might (talk · rate)

Bar/skill update, vote wipe needed. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 19:34, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   22:37, 12 December 2008 (EST)


N/Me AotL Echo Feast (talk · rate)

There are several votes on this build page all zeros and they make generalized statements. They say, Minion Masters in RA = not good. But none of them refer to this build specifically, and its clear to me that they aren't familiar with the build.

Here is a good example. 'Guild of deals' says "So you can't do shit until 1 guy dies, and then you get 1-2 Minions? The only time this is effective is when everyone is dead."

However, its obvious he hasn't even looked at the updated skill. With Arcane Echo + AotL, you can have 2 minions up within the few opening seconds of the match. Usually, before engaging, I have 4 minions.

Nevertheless, even the comments directed at AotL-Necro builds in general, aren't looking at this build specifically. Just because the elite is shared, doesn't mean that because you defeated someone carrying this elite therefore you will equally defeat all builds carrying the same elite. (Narziss 22:36, 12 December 2008 (EST))

The votes are accurate. Having 4 minions before engaging the enemy is not a huge advantage. Your build can nicely manage conditions, but not much else. CrazyCow 22:42, 12 December 2008 (EST)
For a billion fucking times, I know what the updated skill does. And the comments are directed at a MM build in ARENAS. Not every build you make will be vetted with flying colors. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 22:44, 12 December 2008 (EST)
Removed Narziss. Others seem fine really. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:55, 13 December 2008 (EST)

W/E Hundred Blades Farmer (talk · rate)

Trial build vote and the vote is bad anyway.--Altruismliger.jpg Liger414 talk 04:23, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Misery got it. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:56, 13 December 2008 (EST)

A/W Solo Palm Strike Spiker (talk · rate)

Needs either a vote-wipe or someone with more than RA experience to actually sort this build out, current main bar is terrible, see Build:A/W Palm Strike Spiker --Frosty 04:26, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Handled, I think. Tab got em. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   09:02, 13 December 2008 (EST)
moved back to trial and revamped. request vote wipe.--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 10:12, 13 December 2008 (EST)
Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:20, 13 December 2008 (EST)

E/any Blinding Surge (talk · rate)

Buffed, needs a vote wipe. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 08:35, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   09:01, 13 December 2008 (EST)

W/any Hundred PvE (talk · rate)

Liger's Vote doesnt explain... →J.J. berks (contrib) 10:26, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Explained now.--Altruismliger.jpg Liger414 talk 13:11, 13 December 2008 (EST)

A/D Grenth's Grasp Assassin (talk · rate)

1RV and much bitching on talk page. Buff to palm strike led to a revert war about archiving, requesting vote wipe to revote and see quality. -- Jebuscontests 11:23, 13 December 2008 (EST)

My opinion is that this is now completely inferior due to Palm Strike. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:44, 13 December 2008 (EST)
Still too much bitching, including that of a BM. Two people have been blocked, so just vote wipe it and find out what the general consensus is. -- Jebuscontests 12:50, 13 December 2008 (EST)
Misery changed my mind, leave em both. Just leave it Great, dont need a wipe, its just as good. It has a faster chain, while Palm Strike has a less blockable Chain, but GG is weak to rend, etc. Similar dmg. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   13:12, 13 December 2008 (EST)
Palm strike has a variety of Warrior IASs to choose from, all of which are 33%. -- Jebuscontests 14:08, 13 December 2008 (EST)
That's cool, stop discussing shit on the AN, pretty sure I said to take it to the build talk pages higher up. - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby.gif 14:11, 13 December 2008 (EST)

A/D Hidden Scythe (talk · rate)

massive is dumb (-_-) -- Jebuscontests 12:28, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Removed because I can't work out what the fuck he was saying. - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby.gif 12:34, 13 December 2008 (EST)

N/any AoE Aura of Lich (talk · rate)

Cynical's Vote:says its the best but doesnt like rising bile in pve, and gives a rating of 2.8 Muffin.jpgPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 13:59, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Says its the best we can do w/ AotL. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   14:05, 13 December 2008 (EST)
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