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| − | ==={{Build|D/any AoB Dervish}}=== |
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| − | guess who. [[Image:Iliekfrenzy.jpg|50x19px]][[User:Punjab Prince|<font color="Brown">'''Punjab'''</font>]] 19:38, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Gone. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 20:09, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|E/A Vermin HM farmer}}=== |
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| − | [[user:Risus|Risus's]] vote. No justification on a high rating. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 17:20, 11 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Skakid got it. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 20:48, 11 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|Team - Dual Minion Bomber}}=== |
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| − | Author vote, lol.—[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] [[User:Cheese Slaya|<font color=orange>'''Cheese Slaya'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Cheese Slaya|<font color=orange><small>Talk</small></font>]]) 20:41, 11 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Skakid got it. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 20:48, 11 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|Rt/A Destruction SPike}}=== |
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| − | Author vote, lol.—[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] [[User:Cheese Slaya|<font color=orange>'''Cheese Slaya'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Cheese Slaya|<font color=orange><small>Talk</small></font>]]) 20:42, 11 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Skakid got it. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 20:48, 11 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Author revoted. --[[User:71.229|71.229]] 00:44, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Trashed. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 22:57, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|Me/E_E-Surge_Domination_Mesmer}}=== |
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| − | PvXJing's vote... numbers are fine but less than stellar reasoning/knowledge.[[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>--Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 08:19, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Resolved. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 08:39, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|Mo/E Blessed Glyph}}=== |
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| − | Build changed, vote wipe plx. –[[User:Ichigo724|<font color="black">'''Ichigo'''</font><font color="maroon">'''724'''</font>]][[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 15:57, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Done. -- [[User:Armond|Armond Warblade]][[Image:Armond sig image.png]]<small><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[PvXwiki:Administrators|sysop]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></small> 16:13, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|P/A Shadowgon}}=== |
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| − | Many votes do not make sense, such as few of the 5-5-5's. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 17:36, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Gone. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 18:03, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|Rt/Me Midnight Support}}=== |
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| − | Another SoM build; another creater vote.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 19:10, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Frvwfr got it. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 23:02, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|R/Rt Sundering Hunter}}=== |
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| − | [[user:JenniferBelle|JenniferBelle]]'s vote. She keeps voting these bad Sundering/Penetrating builds good, yet they all blow. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 15:17, 8 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Resolved via talk page. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 22:57, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{build|P/N_BiP_Paragon}}=== |
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| − | Fire tock says cripshot is bad.[[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=pink>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 22:23, 8 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I got it. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 22:36, 8 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::I may be totally late, but that was the most hilarious build rating i've ever seen. First he calls cripshot bad, then goes on to brag about his family guy collection.—[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] [[User:Cheese Slaya|<font color=orange>'''Cheese Slaya'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Cheese Slaya|<font color=orange><small>Talk</small></font>]]) 19:43, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|Mo/Me Glimmer Other}}=== |
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| − | Rating during trial. [[User:Antiarchangel|Antiarchangel]] 09:07, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Resolved. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 10:37, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|A/D Critical Farmer Chilling Onslaught}}=== |
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| − | 2 votes in Trial. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 17:41, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Shen got it. OMG he's such a Recent Changes nub :O --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 17:43, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :For whatever reason I can't link to the policy when I type the rollback reason. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 17:45, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Most wikicode doesn't work when providing reasons in votes/removal of votes. Some tags like <nowiki><font> do, but [[Internal Links]] don't.</nowiki> However, I'm pretty sure external links do work. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 21:27, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Raili's vote doesn't make sense, guardian doesn't make the build bad, i heard target swapping is good.--[[User:Goldenstar|Goldenstar]] 10:06, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Frvwfr got it. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 23:04, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::I should try to remember to post here, but half the time I cba to do it... ~~ [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] [[User:frvwfr2|'''<font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2</font>''']] ([[User_talk:Frvwfr2|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Frvwfr2|C]]/[[PvXWiki:Administrators|Sysop]]) 06:30, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | I am a raver's vote needs moar reasons.[[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>--Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 09:33, 11 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :[[User:Voidwalker]] has no idea what the fuck he;s talking also.[[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>--Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 10:57, 11 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Voidwalker seems to have removed his. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 20:48, 11 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|Rt/R Nightmare Marksman}}=== |
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| − | Needs a vote wipe. 10000000000 edits since it was put into tested. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 20:51, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Frvwfr got it. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 11:26, 10 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{build|Mo/any RA Bonder}}=== |
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| − | This build was vetted as good/great long time ago. And now a single user Tycn is trying to set the rating to match his personal opinion. [[User:216.218.214.2|216.218.214.2]] 07:04, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | February 11, 2008 |
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| − | * 22:06 . . Mo/any RA Bonder; Rating: 2.55 (acceptable) . . E:3 U:1 I:2 . . Tycn (Talk | contribs) |
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| − | * 22:03 . . Rollback Mo/any RA Bonder; Tycn removed rating: 4.85 (great) posted by: Zarka (Talk | contribs) |
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| − | * 22:01 . . Rollback Mo/any RA Bonder; Tycn removed rating: 5 (great) posted by: SpiKy (Talk | contribs) |
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| − | * 22:00 . . Rollback Mo/any RA Bonder; Tycn removed rating: 4.85 (great) posted by: M00n5p311 (Talk | contribs) |
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| − | * 22:00 . . Rollback Mo/any RA Bonder; Tycn removed rating: 4.7 (great) posted by: Panthor (Talk | contribs) |
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| − | * 21:59 . . Rollback Mo/any RA Bonder; Tycn removed rating: 4.85 (great) posted by: Woefpoef (Talk | contribs) |
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| − | * 21:59 . . Rollback Mo/any RA Bonder; Tycn removed rating: 4.55 (great) posted by: Bob fregman (Talk | contribs) |
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| − | * 21:59 . . Rollback Mo/any RA Bonder; Tycn removed rating: 4.4 (good) posted by: Warrior Zez (Talk | contribs) |
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| − | * 21:56 . . Rollback Mo/any RA Bonder; Tycn removed rating: 5 (great) posted by: Timinator (Talk | contribs) |
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| − | * 21:55 . . Rollback Mo/any RA Bonder; Tycn removed rating: 4.55 (great) posted by: Y0 ich halt (Talk | contribs) |
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| − | :I see no problem. It's not a great build, and he removed some of the great votes. You'll notice he didn't even remove all of them. -- [[User:Armond|Armond Warblade]][[Image:Armond sig image.png]]<small><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[PvXwiki:Administrators|sysop]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></small> 16:14, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::The votes were struck because they were generic "This build is good" comments. The onus is on the voter to justify their voting rather than making a general vague comment. Tycn is not out of place by striking the above votes, and there is no basis that his actions reflect his "personal opinion". --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 06:02, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Build:A/any Deadly Shroud Impaler needs a look over by an admin. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 05:19, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Done. '''[[User:Tycn|<font color="brown">Mike Tycn</font>]]<small>([[User talk:Tycn|<font color="maroon">punch</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Tycn|<font color="navyblue">out</font>]])</small>''' 05:37, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|R/Mo Delibating Cripshot}}=== |
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| − | Yeah... im pretty pissed that the whole page was deleted overnight. Someone explain please.... there was no well page or anything, the whole thing was just deleted.[[Image:Phoenix.jpg|19px]][[User:DestinyOfKiest|<font color="Black">'''Ìmmφrτalìs αnìmµs a Kìεsτ '''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:DestinyOfKiest|''<font color="black">talk</font>'']]/[[Special:Contributions/DestinyOfKiest|''<font color="goldenrod">pvxcontribs</font>'']])</small> 06:56, 6 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :See [[Build:R/Mo Cripshot|R/Mo Cripshot]] and read [[PW:WELL|WELL]]. It was a dupe, and a bad one at that. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 07:58, 6 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::[[PvXwiki:Build Deletion#Addendum: Don't Delete Immediately|This is relevant]], considering that the WELL tag was added at 22:38 yesterday and DE deleted it at 22:43 without providing a reason for deletion. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 15:02, 6 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::It was a bad dupe, the rule does not apply--[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">'''Shadow'''<font color="darkred">'''sin'''</font></font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 15:07, 6 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::''...delay deletion until the author is... given a chance to understand the reason behind deletion beyond merely the statement of "PvX:WELL."'' Doesn't say anything about that not applying to bad dupes. I don't disagree with its deletion (I trust DE's judgment), I'm just saying that it seems he was a little hasty. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 15:22, 6 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::I agree with wizardboy 100%.—[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] [[User:Cheese Slaya|<font color=orange>'''Cheese Slaya'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Cheese Slaya|<font color=orange><small>Talk</small></font>]]) 18:12, 8 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Ok... well... the build would have almost certainly been deleted ''at some point,'' it was an inferior version of an existing build. On the other hand, I do agree that I shouldn't have deleted it as as quickly as I did (*Shakes fist at self*), but, even I'm gonna mess up every once in a while :P. @DestinyOfKiest: Do you still want an explanation for why your build was deleted? [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]] [[user:Defiant Elements|<font color=black>'''*Defiant Elements*'''</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=darkred><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 19:26, 8 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | IDRC, it was probably a trash build anyway lol. Good ideas are scarce :P[[Image:Phoenix.jpg|19px]][[User:DestinyOfKiest|<font color="Black">'''Ìmmφrτalìs αnìmµs a Kìεsτ '''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:DestinyOfKiest|''<font color="black">talk</font>'']]/[[Special:Contributions/DestinyOfKiest|''<font color="goldenrod">pvxcontribs</font>'']])</small> 22:39, 8 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Have tidied up and improved skill bar somewhat on [[Build:A/any Speak No Magic Sin]]. Please remove votes for fresh vote on build. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 05:57, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Just for future reference, tag the headers like so: <nowiki>==={{build:A/any_Speak_No_Magic_Sin|A/any Speak No Magic Sin}}===</nowiki>. That'll give us a couple of useful links to the build. --[[User:24.9.234.253|24.9.234.253]] 06:09, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::It's actually <nowiki>{{build|A/any Speak No Magic Sin}}</nowiki>. If you use a colon it's treated as a template and the entire build page is shown here. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] [[User:Mafaraxas|<font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas</font>]] 06:21, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Thanks, I'll remember that for future reference. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 07:04, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::You're welcome. '''[[User:Tycn|<font color="brown">Mike Tycn</font>]]<small>([[User talk:Tycn|<font color="maroon">punch</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Tycn|<font color="navyblue">out</font>]])</small>''' 07:07, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{build|D/A Shadow Spiker}}=== |
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| − | Low votes again (0-0-0, 1-1-1 or w/e they were). Build has optional for self heal, speed boost, etc. HoF was removed from main and attributes changed. [[User:Swiftslash|<font color="black">'''Swiftslash \\'''</font>]] [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] <small> ([[Special:Contributions/Swiftslash|<font color="Black">''contributions''</font>]] *[[User:Swiftslash/sandbox|<font color="black">''sandbox''</font>]])</small> 13:17, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I'm Sorry i wasn't aware we were allowed to have Dupes. [[Build:D/A Pious Shadow]]--[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">'''Shadow'''<font color="darkred">'''sin'''</font></font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 13:25, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Talk about dupe on talk page, don't vote it down because of it. Either way this got voted better and thus should be kept over the other. You keep the most popular/best one, order doesn't matter. [[User:Swiftslash|<font color="black">'''Swiftslash \\'''</font>]] [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] <small> ([[Special:Contributions/Swiftslash|<font color="Black">''contributions''</font>]] *[[User:Swiftslash/sandbox|<font color="black">''sandbox''</font>]])</small> 13:38, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::I believe i did say something about it on the talk page, I said delete it, and im not even the one who added the tag.--[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">'''Shadow'''<font color="darkred">'''sin'''</font></font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 13:46, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Just to be clear, order does usually matter, but there are exceptions (like when one is in Great and the other Trash). [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]] [[user:Defiant Elements|<font color=black>'''*Defiant Elements*'''</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=darkred><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 19:34, 8 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | [[user:Sleepy almond|Sleepy almond]]'s vote. The Splinter nerf doesn't hit Barrage hard enough to warrant a 0-0-0. Anyway, Splinter/Barrage still works correctly. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 15:31, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Frvwfr got it. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 20:59, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | SuperMario's vote. Says "Splinter/Barrage has been used ever since Factions came out 2 years ago" and yet 1 effectiveness? Not to mention how incredibly damaging Splinter/Barrage is.[[User:Teh Uber Pwnzer|<font color="Black">''' — Teh Uber Pwnzer'''</font>]] 20:56, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I got it. And there's a section right above this one for the exact same build :P '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 20:59, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::I'm blind.[[User:Teh Uber Pwnzer|<font color="Black">''' — Teh Uber Pwnzer'''</font>]] 21:01, 4 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Bad vote. Guess who. [[User:Lord Belar|<font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar</font>]] 17:04, 5 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Resolved by Armond. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 14:54, 6 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Am I allowed to declare a build "open-source" as I have done?[[User:Sneakysmith12|Sneakysmith12]] 16:49, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :All builds are always like that, want to or not. [[User:Lord Belar|<font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar</font>]] 17:09, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::It is in reference to changing the actual page... not the talk page.[[User:Sneakysmith12|Sneakysmith12]] 17:11, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::[[PvXwiki:Article_Ownership|All builds are open for editing by anyone, always.]] --[[User:71.229|71.229]] 17:12, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Rarely if not ever has anyone actually changed the build article vs posting in the talk page?[[User:68.102.128.17|68.102.128.17]] 20:41, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::Eh, as far as specific instances of that, the only one I can remember atm is when Rapta hijacked some random rit build and made it the meta Rt/D GvG runner. It does happen, just not too often. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] [[User:Mafaraxas|<font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas</font>]] 20:44, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Err... I don't see why 2 people are giving it high votes. The build seems simply bad. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 15:16, 6 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I actually feel that the trash votes need to be removed. While im not a fan of the build, it's comparable or even arugably better then the necro variants which are in good/great.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 21:56, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Masochism and Soul Reaping does not compare to Arcane Zeal and Mysticism's energy returns. Soul Reaping triggering = one free cast. The dervish primary is much better with the build. [[User:Racthoh|Racthoh]] 11:53, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | [[Build_talk:P/W_Focused_PvE_Paragon#2nd_Paragon_as_a_hero|See here]]. --[[User:71.229|71.229]] 07:41, 16 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Fusions vote, is just uhhmm, wrong?--[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">'''Shadow'''<font color="darkred">'''sin'''</font></font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 08:48, 7 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Resolved. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 09:27, 7 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Any vote that says prot spirit/SB owns you.... DUH! its a spike. tell me one spike that prot spirit and spirit bond doesnt own? and all the AoM > while it is better in that you have no conditions, Block > You.--[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">'''Shadow'''<font color="darkred">'''sin'''</font></font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 01:22, 8 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Blood spike. gg. <small>and if any of you links to that sog vs soap vid, im gonna kill you.</small>—[[Image:Cheese Slaya's Sig.jpg|50x19px]] [[User:Cheese Slaya|<font color=orange>'''Cheese Slaya'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Cheese Slaya|<font color=orange><small>Talk</small></font>]]) 18:13, 8 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::It was epic and you know it. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 19:22, 8 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | The point is your target shouldn't be enchanted if you're expecting to get a kill (you're not going to kill anything by autoattacking) — '''[[User:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: maroon">Skadiddly</span>]]'''[슴Mc슴]'''[[User talk:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: darkgoldenrod">Diddles</span>]]''' 01:17, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | SHen removed my vote on grouns of disproportionality... wtf? I'm going to resotre it but i'd rather make sure ppl know i'm going to.[[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=pink>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 12:31, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :You reference Morten's vote, then give a lower rating. I fail to see how my vote is an oxymoron. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 12:39, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::I reference morten's ''points on the build'' so i dont have to type them, his numbers have no bearing on mine, and shouldnt. You roundly criticized with your voting points, yet gave it a moderate score, so it would make sense that you should have included some redeeming quality in it that warrants your vote numbers.[[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=pink>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 12:41, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Following that logic, it would make sense you include something to warrant your vote number, if you should reference Morten's rationale, which by the way has changed. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 12:45, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::I also wanna rant about skakid removing my vote with the note "yes, so because it can't spam poison it's complete trash? right..." (or something closely similar to that) since i never said that, and gave a 2-2-2 which doesn't reflect complete trash, i'm restoring my vote. geez. - Morten |
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| − | :::::2-2-2 = trash, so you're wrong. — '''[[User:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: maroon">Skadiddly</span>]]'''[슴Mc슴]'''[[User talk:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: darkgoldenrod">Diddles</span>]]''' 19:56, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::how old are you? -Morten |
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| − | :::::::Please use 4 tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) to sign your comments. Thanks. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 20:14, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::::Less than a 2.5 overall is trash, as per [[PvX:VETTING]]. -- [[User:Armond|Armond Warblade]][[Image:Armond sig image.png]]<small><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[PvXwiki:Administrators|sysop]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></small> 00:38, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::::: 2-2-2 equates to a "Trash" vote, Morten. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 01:05, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::::::raised the vote a little few days ago, to make it acceptable. [[User:Morten|Morten]] 12:44, 16 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Vote wipe please, thanks. — '''[[User:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: maroon">Skadiddly</span>]]'''[슴Mc슴]'''[[User talk:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: darkgoldenrod">Diddles</span>]]''' 16:07, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Why's that necessary? — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 16:08, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Because the build is awesome in arenas. — '''[[User:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: maroon">Skadiddly</span>]]'''[슴Mc슴]'''[[User talk:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: darkgoldenrod">Diddles</span>]]''' 16:17, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::I don't think that requires a vote wipe, but instead, just unarchiving it and add the appropriate tags. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 16:18, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Alright, I'm removing all the bad votes, since Escape has many uses ( 2/3 upkeep, no end on hex, ect. ) — '''[[User:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: maroon">Skadiddly</span>]]'''[슴Mc슴]'''[[User talk:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: darkgoldenrod">Diddles</span>]]''' 16:20, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::Yep. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 16:21, 9 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{build|A/P Anthemous Assassin}}=== |
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| − | Skadid keeps removing votes because he doesnt like the build.'''[[image:Inv.Pacifism.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">Crossfirexiv</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 01:53, 10 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :[[User:Display|Display]]'s vote has no valid comment. Your vote is slightly more justified, but following Skakid's reason, you are providing a lopsided view of the build's capabilities and limitations. I believe your vote was struck because you gave a 5 for Effectiveness despite how easy it is to counter. I see no indication of Skakid striking votes due to personal bias. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 02:19, 10 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Hm? how is it easy to counter?... Blind, Block, Anti melee hexes..... thats it. No counters against anthem and find their weakness. It has snare which is needed, DW, KD, and a massive amount of damage. I think skadid just doesnt like the build and the PVX policy is (Builds get rated by the opinion of the community), not skadid. He would probably allow votes that say (wow this sucks) over a really detailed vote.'''[[image:Inv.Pacifism.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">Crossfirexiv</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 09:02, 10 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Your DW is critical required, while you think that migh be easy, remember thre are skills that prevent criticals etc. Also i think skakids point was that because you don't have a shadow step, the monks will see you coming and be able to stop the chain (through aegis or something like that...)<span style="font-family: comic sans ms; font-size: 10pt;"><B>[[User:Phenaxkian|<font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian</font>]]</B></span> ([[User talk:Phenaxkian|<font color="Red">T</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Phenaxkian|c]]) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 09:57, 10 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Hmm, first theres only like 2 skills that prevent crit and theyre never used. 2. all asassuins dont req shadowstep... look at shattering assault and GG assassin for example. Monks will see you coming, duh, but you have cripple which pisses them off.'''[[image:Inv.Pacifism.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">Crossfirexiv</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 09:59, 10 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::If you are here to dispute vote removal, please do so without accusing admins of misconduct unless you have solid evidence. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 10:34, 10 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Bob Frieman voted all 0, his vote has just says see discussion, which is mostly about how well it works XD'''[[image:Inv.Pacifism.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">Crossfirexiv</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 12:16, 10 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::Actually the discussion revolves around people saying why its bad and you swearing blind that its better than god at killing things. [[User:Lord of all tyria|Lord of all tyria]] 12:24, 10 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::Bob Friegman's vote is 0-0-0 and he wrote (see discussion page) which is both positive and negative features of the build. Not valid at all'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 21:14, 10 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | The trash ratings. [[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 20:53, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Your vote calls it a backline caster. I lol'd. –[[User:Ichigo724|<font color="black">'''Ichigo'''</font><font color="maroon">'''724'''</font>]][[Image:Ichigo-signature.jpg]] 21:06, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::So did I. I'm not rating the build any higher, it really isn't that good as a standalone build. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 21:07, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Bob Friegmans vote is too high for such a minimal effect. either hes very enthusiastic about this build, or he made it himself'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 21:33, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::On the other hand, User:Selket Shadowdancer's vote is flawed in hundreds of contexts. Apparantly doing anything that reduces your survivability = should never be run because it makes your monks rage. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 22:55, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::I didnt make it, nor do i like assacasters. It produces a solo spike with a kd, deep wound, and alot of damage every 13 seconds, how's that a minimal effect? <small>—''The preceding [[PvXwiki:Sign your comments|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User talk:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] ([[Special:Contributions/Bob fregman|contribs]]) 07:44, 13 February 2008.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned--> |
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| − | :It makes me rage. ._. i refuse to monk for any of the new "Sac" builds. The other team does enough damage thank you. But meh... The builds alright. its not trash at any rate. You just have to find a monk to put up with it. Anything higher than a 2 for innovation makes me laugh tho. At one time there were like 4 builds vetted and another 20 in testing with the same combo.--[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">'''Shadow'''<font color="darkred">'''sin'''</font></font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 00:47, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Minimal effect. Compare this to the origional. Btw innovation for every person is a guarenteed 0. The origional had 2 KD, fastrecharging signets, 60 damageper signet. The original had a lot more damage, and despite the deadly paradox nerf, people still use it. Castigation Signet FTW. 65 + Poison + KD + 80 + DW < 65 + Poison + KD + 80 + DW + 80 + KD + 65. {{unsigned|Crossfirexiv}} |
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| − | :::I'm not arguing that it's better then the original, merely that it's still good and the best one atm.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 17:17, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::OoB to power a costy Assassin combo (especially after DP nerf to 15 Energy) with OoB after its "buff" is pretty smart imo. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 21:56, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Selket's vote is back without any addition, modification, reduction. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 18:26, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Learn to fucking read then. I'm not giving in to peer pressure voting the build great just because everyone else thinks I should, quite simply because I don't think it is. Removing peoples votes because they aren't what you want them to be is abuse of the powers granted to you by Sysops and a mockery of being able to vote in the first place. I will not change my opinion because you say I should vote on a build a specific way (ie: only great votes will do on this build), it's fucking ridiculous! Shit it's not even a trash vote which just goes to show the ludicrosity of your fucking vote removal. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 08:12, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::2 = trash vote. Besides, you're overreacting; there's 4 Great ratings out of 13 votes. People need to seriously get over the OMFG CORRUPTION theory. People are put in positions of power for a '''reason''', and if you can't learn to trust their judgement for the greater good, well, just don't bother with anything other than your userspace. The "worst" I can see Shen is doing is trying to keep it in the Good category, which is valid. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] [[User:Mafaraxas|<font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas</font>]] 11:03, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Trash vote=what I changed it to after his bitch ass whining. If thats the way this wiki is then there's absolutely no point in people voting at all. It's a fucking retarded and very highly flawed system. You're prettym uch saying it doesn't matter what you think because we'll change it anyway, which makes the idea of having a system where we vote, pointless. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 11:15, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Again, you're overreacting. While people were put in those positions for a reason, they can also be stripped if their actions are totally unfitting. Again, though, BMs are elected because they ''do'' have a overall knowledge of the game and can act in the betterment of the wiki. Notice again the part where there's 4 Great ratings out of 13 votes, though. If Shen was totally out to kill any bad votes off of some power high or some personal agenda on the build (or whatever you're interpreting his actions as), he'd be removing anything lower than 4.5, which he obviously didn't. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] [[User:Mafaraxas|<font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas</font>]] |
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| − | :::::That's not an overreaction, it's how this wiki is. People remove votes that they disagree with because they want a build in a certain category. That defies the point of people voting and flaws the system. Buildmasters already have a 200% weighted vote, removing votes to further push a build into a specific category is abuse of responsibility, especially when the vote was justified in the first place. I don't agree that an Assassin Caster that sacrifices health to manage it's energy is all that good. Removing my vote, and thus removing any view, or opinion that I have takes away any point in being able to vote in the first place as it is quite evident I'm only allowed to vote how the BMs want me to vote which is as already said, quite fucking ridiculous. Have a good justification in removing votes, not because one persons opinion of a build is different from someone elses. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 11:52, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I think it's safe to assume I wasn't wrong in removing your vote, especially since you changed your vote significantly afterwards. If you aren't even going to try to dispute the vote, don't go straight to bias as an argument. You're still wrong, by the way, for reasons I listed. I invite you take to take this opportunity to perhaps argue with something else other than bias. Saying you are right as an argument for why you are right doesn't help. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 12:34, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :: So i herd drama sux? I tried this build, its really not too special. Its going to get you killed in the long run, or in the short run if your up against a decent team. Its just too fragile, it was fragile before, now its just like OMG I WANT TO DIE. and yes monks rage, i rage if i see it. Its dumb.--[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">'''Shadow'''<font color="darkred">'''sin'''</font></font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 13:10, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Wasn't wrong in removing my vote seems I changed it significantly? No I just made it really simple for your dumb ass as to why I don't think the build is good. If you cannot understand that then you truly fail as BM and should perhaps reconsider your position. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 13:58, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Don't trash a build because of the sac. It's hardly great, but that doesn't mean go trash a build because you go into TA/HA without healers. The fact you finally [http://www.pvxwiki.com/w/index.php?title=PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=408791 reached] this conclusion earlier evidences such a basic fact. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 16:52, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | [[Image:Drama_Llama.jpg|180px]] <big><big>'''HAY GUYZ WATS GOIN ON IN HERE?'''</big></big> --[[User:71.229|71.229]] 13:19, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Get a life you tool! [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 14:54, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Sorry... couldn't resist.- [[User:Panic|<font color="black">'''zomg!'''</font>]] [[Image:panic_sig.png|19px]] [[User Talk:Panic|<font color="black">'''PANIC!'''</font>]] 15:14, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::lulz --[[User:InfestedHydralisk|<font color="black">'''Infested'''</font><font color="brown">'''Hydralisk'''</font>]] [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig.jpg|19px]]<small>([[User_talk:InfestedHydralisk|<font color="black">'''Talk'''</font>]]*[[Special:Contributions/InfestedHydralisk|<font color="black">'''Contributions'''</font>]])</small> 15:17, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Fukken stolen. --[[User:71.229|71.229]] 15:18, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | BMs are not above criticism, and sometimes I do think our vote-striking goes too far. We used to strike votes which are inconsistent with their own reasoning, or if they lack any reasoning. Since we are encouraging users to provide more detailed comments, it may be counterproductive to strike votes because of disagreements with these detailed comments, and that discourages users from commenting or voting. While we do want to maintain the quality of the wiki, I do not believe it is in our best interests to restrict opinions to the 20 or 30 people who think the same way with every build. I personally would not have gone out of my way to strike Selket's vote, and I certainly would not drag this conflict further. There has been a disagreement with the vote; Selket has defended his reasoning. Thrashing it out further will only deteriorate and discourage activity on the wiki. |
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| − | I kindly ask that Shen and Selket step away from the issue. If Selket wishes to vote according to his reasoning on the build, he should be allowed to. Both of you are taking this far too personally, and as a mediator, I advise that you leave this issue as is. Argument at this scale is a waste of time and effort. Unfortunately, I will have to block Selket for several days due to violations of [[PvX:NPA]] and profane disruption on the noticeboard, but please: relax, let the issue rest. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 23:05, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I'll step away, but it's inconsistent with the reason I removed Lann's vote. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 08:09, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Scottie, you'd have a better point if selket wasnt a proven fool when it comes to voting. He admitted to changing his vote to trash because people "whined" about it. How is that defending it with reasoning? His reasoning is flawed. I admit these conflicts dont need to be drawn out, but allowing people to vote in spite(when they admit it nonetheless) is downright idiotic.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 08:55, 17 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | wtf?[[User:Teh Uber Pwnzer|<font color="Black">''' — Teh Uber Pwnzer'''</font>]] 22:08, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Could you please elaborate? --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 05:57, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::It takes 8 times as long as the A/E build and its rated good.[[User:Teh Uber Pwnzer|<font color="Black">''' — Teh Uber Pwnzer'''</font>]] 09:20, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::If it works, then it doesn't really matter. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 15:09, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::A slow build doesn't work. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 16:31, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::This discussion has already been had. If you think that slower builds from different professions should be voted on compared to their profession alone, bring the failed policy back, otherwise, don't worry about it. [[User:Bluemilkman|<font color="orange">Bluemilkman</font>]]/[[User talk:Bluemilkman|Talk To Me]] 07:21, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::Then why's your vote so good.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 08:23, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::We shot down that line of reasoning, you just stated this. Why's your vote so high? -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 20:17, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Rewrite. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 22:53, 12 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :<s>I made an editcopy basically of the same sort, but I dismissed it because it's the variant listed [[Build:A/any Deadly Arts Spike Sin|here]]. </s> -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 16:30, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Well, it was. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 16:30, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Raili's vote doesn't make sense, guardian doesn't make the build bad, i heard target swapping is good.--[[User:Goldenstar|Goldenstar]] 10:06, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Frvwfr got it. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 23:04, 13 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::I should try to remember to post here, but half the time I cba to do it... ~~ [[Image:User Frvwfr2 signature.jpg|User:Frvwfr2]] [[User:frvwfr2|'''<font color=#6e8b3d>frvwfr2</font>''']] ([[User_talk:Frvwfr2|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Frvwfr2|C]]/[[PvXWiki:Administrators|Sysop]]) 06:30, 14 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | PvXJing's... his numbers are a bit low, but his comments make my head hurt. may need a rollback, not sure.[[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>--Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 08:33, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I don't see the problem. PvXJing is stating that the build wastes attribute points by speccing into Smiting Prayers even though another hammer attack could easily make up for the damage. Sounds like a valid argument to me. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 10:40, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::what hammer attack?[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 10:48, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::I also think your vote should be looked at scotty. current dev hammer uses bash with rush as a cancel. Stonesoul easily fits, if you think it's a tight fit you're plain wrong. Stonesoul is less vulnerable to your enemy defense then an armor ingoring skill that deals more damage and hits in two packets. Adren is valid, but not worth trash.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 10:54, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::And now paragon cities. Unless he's saying you should add an energy hammer attack into the chain, then hammer attacks dont charge adren either. Works =/= trash.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 11:03, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Hammer Bash is not standard on Dev Hammer bars. The only reason Hammer Bash is on [[Build:W/any Devastating Hammer Warrior]] is because Dark0805 swapped out Heavy Blow for it. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 11:13, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::Hammer bash is unconditional.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 11:14, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::: Either Rush can be changed to take better advantage of the situation with another skill, or Stonesoul Strike can be swapped with another attack(Energy) to take better advantage of the bar. Two skills that I feel hamper the bar in two different ways, more than a variant of a bar imo. As far as said possible attacks go, you have Distracting Strike, Bull's Strike, hell, even Belly Smash or Irresistable Blow works. I tried it out, it worked, but there are better skills to work. Rush was never up to cancel flail when my knockdowns were over and my target began to kite me, but Enraging charge was, and was usually enough to re-charge Dev and begin the chain all over again. Either change rush to something more useful, or change Soulstone Strike and destroy the whole point of the build. Either way, there are ways to make the build more effective, and I stand by my vote of 2, even though the build "worked".. [[User:Paragon City|Paragon City]] 11:24, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::::Heavy Blow has been standard for some time; not Hammer Bash. Heavy Blow requires Weakness, which is easy to meet when Heavy Blow is used as part of the chain -- Deep Wound covers Weakness for the second knockdown, in case of condition removal. Using Hammer Bash on the bar makes it difficult to cancel Flail. That is beside the point, however -- Hammer Bash was not on the main bar of [[Build:W/any Devastating Hammer Warrior]] until Dark8050 changed it. No consensus has been reached regarding replacing Heavy Blow with Hammer Bash. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 11:28, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::::::As long as the lose all adrenaline cluase applies to both skills, any problem is totally immaterial, they have the same downside. As such, i put it in on Dev Hammer. [[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>--Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 12:15, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::::::::Also, paragon city acts as though there is a legitimate energy based hammer attack to use in a lose-all-adren chain that would help gain back adren. .... And scotty, the spiking power of a 3/4 second activation hammer spike is hard to match. also, holy is armor ignoring and goes under both prot spirit and sb. your vote is meh, tbh.[[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>--Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 12:18, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I have revised my vote in any case. I would suggest, however, that these disputes be carried out on the build's talk page rather than on the admin noticeboard. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 12:23, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Agreed, now that the issue at hand is largely resolved discussion is better at the talk page.[[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>--Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 12:27, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::New indent. Anyway, no, it's not the same. Heavy Blow does bonus damage as well, which is a great plus, while hammer bash doesn't. Yes, it can't be used out of turn like Hammer Bash, but 'WHY' would you use it out of turn when one more adrenaline charges up Dev and lets you utilize your full attack chain? And if speed is your problem with Holy Strike vs. another attack, I already mentioned one attack that comes out faster than your Holy Strike, potentially dealing more damage if it crits, while also having very viable utility outside of spikes as well with interrupting ability, with conditional, but not necessary for it's pusposes but great if you get it, skill disabling. It's about having utility along with damage that makes it dangerous, not just damage. Especially when said utility can match said damage of other skill. In any case, I think we will agree to disagree. [[User:Paragon City|Paragon City]] 12:30, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::we dont agree to disagree, though if you do think that you're a moron i'd agree to that. [[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 14:11, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::agreed.[[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>--Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 20:25, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|D/A Melandru's Shadow Spiker}}=== |
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| − | Deletion because {{Build|D/A AoM Dervish}} -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 11:01, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Merged. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 00:24, 16 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | There seems to have been a lot of votes removed completely based on personal opinion, like: |
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| − | '''''Reason''': It's much more than decent.'''Removed by''': Skakid9090'' |
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| − | Isn't there a little more guidline to when to remove a vote than "Admin Does not agree with rating?" — <small>( [[Special:Contributions/Reithan|ɔ]] \ [[User talk:Reithan|ʇ]] )</small> '''[[User:Reithan|uɐɥʇıǝɹ]]''' [[Image:Reithan_Sig.jpg|19px]] 11:21, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :When a vote is wrong, I remove it. — '''[[User:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: maroon">Skadiddly</span>]]'''[슴Mc슴]'''[[User talk:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: darkgoldenrod">Diddles</span>]]''' 12:19, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::I thought ''wrong'' was supposed to include some sort of invalid comment or other mistake in the vote's description, or something, not just "I R t3h 4Dm1N, I liek dis bild. It R 5. Your voet gooez aw4i nao." Or was I wrong, there? — <small>( [[Special:Contributions/Reithan|ɔ]] \ [[User talk:Reithan|ʇ]] )</small> '''[[User:Reithan|uɐɥʇıǝɹ]]''' [[Image:Reithan_Sig.jpg|19px]] 12:26, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::I'm pretty sure I idn't type that. — '''[[User:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: maroon">Skadiddly</span>]]'''[슴Mc슴]'''[[User talk:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: darkgoldenrod">Diddles</span>]]''' 13:18, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::It's called hyperbole. It can be used to call attention to a specific quality or facet of a point of discussion by exaggeration of that point. In other words, your reason for removal ''"It's much more than decent"'' being a reason for removal, as far as I can see, is basically just the person with removal rights going "My opinion > yours, and I think it's better than you do - so I'm removing your vote, cuz I can." If there was a different reason for the removal(s) posting it would have been great. If not, the removal(s) don't really seem justified. — <small>( [[Special:Contributions/Reithan|ɔ]] \ [[User talk:Reithan|ʇ]] )</small> '''[[User:Reithan|uɐɥʇıǝɹ]]''' [[Image:Reithan_Sig.jpg|19px]] 13:24, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::I think Reithan does have a point... [[User:Paragon City|Paragon City]] 13:31, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::his point would be better if he wasnt wrong. Oppinions are no good if you dont back them with fact. If you're rating is just flat wrong, then it's subject to removal, end of story. [[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 21:24, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::It would also be slightly more valid if it wasn't coming from a known troll. [[User:Lord Belar|<font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar</font>]] 00:00, 16 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Look at Zaranthium's vote please'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 15:47, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Also, comeone plz fix the page. I tried putting the build link on here and somthing got screwed up on the main page. My bad, someone plz fix it.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 15:53, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Sorted you put <nowiki>[[Build:blah]] when you should put {{Build|blah}}</nowiki> basicly you told said place the page onto here instead of place link crap =)<span style="font-family: comic sans ms; font-size: 10pt;"><B>[[User:Phenaxkian|<font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian</font>]]</B></span> ([[User talk:Phenaxkian|<font color="Red">T</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Phenaxkian|c]]) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 15:54, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Consider looking at the talk page. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 00:31, 16 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Take a Look at Shadowsin's Vote. Probably Author vote.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 16:00, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Check history next time. Tycn authored the build. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 18:20, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::? what do u mean?'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 18:22, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::The tab next to the 'edit' one. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 18:23, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Look at Zuranthium's vote please. Very low, no reason for vote.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 16:15, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Yes it is, if GoR is dshotted (1s guarenteed cast every 15 secs = dshot) or Divine is stripped, you're meh. — '''[[User:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: maroon">Skadiddly</span>]]'''[슴Mc슴]'''[[User talk:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: darkgoldenrod">Diddles</span>]]''' 16:26, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::I have to agree. Effective in certain situations, but against enchantment removal/interrupts (both common in Arenas), then it crumbles. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 16:32, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Just wondering - what currently vetted monk builds CAN stand up to enchant removal or interrupt spamming? — <small>( [[Special:Contributions/Reithan|ɔ]] \ [[User talk:Reithan|ʇ]] )</small> '''[[User:Reithan|uɐɥʇıǝɹ]]''' [[Image:Reithan_Sig.jpg|19px]] 16:45, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::The problem with this is that one screws it over completely.[[User:Teh Uber Pwnzer|<font color="Black">''' — Teh Uber Pwnzer'''</font>]] 18:30, 15 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::Anyway usually a Monk can use a spammable enchantment that is usually removed, like RoF or Guardian. They also don't carry around long recharge enchantments, just short, spammable ones. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 09:26, 16 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Needs an admin's opinion regarding deletion. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 10:31, 16 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I think we should stick in a very dark corner and only drag it out when we need a SS build WELLed, but that's just me. --[[User:71.229|71.229]] 04:17, 17 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::This is a pretty epic build. But seriously, where do we put these things on the noticeboard? -- [[User:Armond|Armond Warblade]][[Image:Armond sig image.png]]<small><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[PvXwiki:Administrators|sysop]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></small> 04:18, 17 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | [[user:Risus|Risus]]'s vote, clearly an author vote... Lol. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 07:57, 17 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Resolved. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 00:03, 18 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Obviously. See discussion. Lots of shitty votes.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 13:12, 18 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Gone. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 13:16, 18 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Crossfires now.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 15:10, 18 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Got it. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 15:13, 18 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Woah, that's a discrepancy. I removed it, then you removed it and your reason overrode mine. Less hacking Wizardboy. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 15:14, 18 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Many skill changes, some votes pertain to the old version of the build. Needs wipe.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 16:23, 18 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Your vote is flawed. That is in no way a 5-5-5 build. Or even a 5-4-5. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 19:05, 18 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::So the build needs a wipe'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 19:13, 18 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Just yours and the 5-4-5. You can deal with half of that yourself. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 19:15, 18 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|A/D Grenth's Grasp Assassin}}=== |
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| − | [[User:Og lo|Og lo]] doesn't understand assassins. ~ [[User:ZamaneeJinn|<font color="blue">'''ʑʌɱʌɳəəɺɨɳɳ'''</font>]][[Image:Zealot's Fire.jpg|19px]]<small>([[Special:Contributions/ZamaneeJinn|contribs]])</small> 20:16, 18 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Resolved. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 09:39, 20 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | 0-0-0 Trash votes have invalid reasoning. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 09:32, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Looks pretty valid to me. — <small>( [[Special:Contributions/Reithan|ɔ]] \ [[User talk:Reithan|ʇ]] )</small> '''[[User:Reithan|uɐɥʇıǝɹ]]''' [[Image:Reithan_Sig.jpg|19px]] 09:42, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I'd have to agree with Reithan in this case. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]] [[user:Defiant Elements|<font color=black>'''*Defiant Elements*'''</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=darkred><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 10:11, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::0 in effectiveness? Somehow I don't think so. Remember you're voting on effectiveness, universatility, and innovation, not practicality. The build clearly works. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 10:30, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::I think, in this case, the 0-0-0 is not a full and objective rating, but more of a "This build needs to go away now" rating. Reasons for such have been posted and seem valid. — <small>( [[Special:Contributions/Reithan|ɔ]] \ [[User talk:Reithan|ʇ]] )</small> '''[[User:Reithan|uɐɥʇıǝɹ]]''' [[Image:Reithan_Sig.jpg|19px]] 15:20, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::So has the opposition against the reasoning. The 0-0-0 votes are not within the guidelines of voting and should quite simply be struck. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 21:20, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::I'll be honest, while a 0 in effectiveness may not be wholly fair, the build should realistically be WELLed as unnecessary, and a case can be made for the argument that, as far as PvX is concerned, an unnecessary build ''is'' ineffective. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]] [[user:Defiant Elements|<font color=black>'''*Defiant Elements*'''</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=darkred><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 14:44, 20 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::Heck, they could always been changed to 4-0-0 votes if you want. The thing will still get deleted, either way. — <small>( [[Special:Contributions/Reithan|ɔ]] \ [[User talk:Reithan|ʇ]] )</small> '''[[User:Reithan|uɐɥʇıǝɹ]]''' [[Image:Reithan_Sig.jpg|19px]] 15:28, 20 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::::And the votes would still be unjust within the guidelines of the voting system, regardless of the builds practicality on the site. I'm not going to make a big deal out of it, I have requested it moved to my userspace (I don't know how to do that) to save any further arguement on the matter, though any arguements of it wasting space on the wiki when its in my userspace anyway are kind of invalid with that point in mind. :/ BTW Teutonics vote is fundementally flawed, lol. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 10:44, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::::Attempted to move it myself, if I've done it wrong please let me know. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 11:14, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Tycn's vote... energy is fine with crit strikes + zealous.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 21:59, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :The equipment says shocking daggers of fortitude, which is how he drew that conclusion. [[Image:ViYsig5.jpg|19px]]<b><font color="darkblue">[[user:Victoryisyours|<font color="darkblue">(vĭk'tə-rē</font>]] [[User talk:Victoryisyours|<font color="black">ĭz</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Victoryisyours|<font color="darkblue">yôrz)</font>]]</font></b> 18:44, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Regardless, energy can be a quite strained. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 21:39, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Oh yeah shocking, but each attack is 5 energy and crit strikes gives 3 back each attack.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 21:41, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::First you have to land a Critical Hit, which is not guaranteed with every hit. 2nd you are losing 1 energy per second when moving as your target is no doubt going to attempt to kite away from you. I'm not sure if alone the build does enough damage to get straight into the MS/HotO knock lock straight away to stop the target from kiting, especially against a team with a good monk. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 08:00, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | I just noticed(Havn't looked in a while) that a good number of earlier votes for the PvE build of the Scythe Spammer have PvP reasons to justify the downvote. I suggest those votes, good and bad, using PvP reasons be removed for Real Vetting, as the build does not have PvP implications. [[User:Paragon City|Paragon City]] 14:38, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Specifically, the votes before Skakid, I believe, are all swayed by PvP implications as the build used to have an RA tag along with the PvE tag. Actually, I think most/all of them were swayed by it. Mabye a full vote wipe would be best.[[User:Paragon City|Paragon City]] 14:40, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | [[user:Tycn|Tycn]]'s vote, the build has been reworked a lot since his vote. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 19:19, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|A/D Grenth's Grasp Assassin}}=== |
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| − | [[user:Grumpy|Grumpy]]'s vote needs to be looked over.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 21:50, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :You need to read [http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:User_talk:Shogunshen/Archive_3#heya this] Crossfire. These votes you are posting are minimally important. Just let them be. And when you post on the admin noticeboard, it helps if you say exactly what the issue is. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 22:08, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Ohk, sorry about that'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 22:13, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|D/A Aura of the Scythe}}=== |
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| − | Shadowsin's vote needs to be looked over'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 21:53, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :What exactly don't you agree with? I'd just disagree with the "AoD is pointless" part, but he's just referring the other available elites when saying so. Plus, it's hard to judge, as this ''is'' tagged for Arenas. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 22:14, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::HE disagrees with rending, AoD. All the other votes... even build baster vote is more than 0-0-0. not much thought into his vote is all.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 22:19, 19 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Rending >.>, Encantments should be stripped before a spike yes?. The only enchants that are terribly going to affect your DPS is blocking, so if they block, the enchant is not removed? AoD on a derv in the arena's? or anywhere else for that matter? there are like 20 better elites you could choose from, tbh, i'd rater take a bloody tree.----[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">ﮎHædõ๘</font>]][[User talk:Shadowsin|<font color="darkred">یíɳ</font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 05:49, 20 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Changed my vote to 1 1 1 since it does fundamentally work, it just fundamentally sucks. Also its not grossly overrated anymore.----[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">ﮎHædõ๘</font>]][[User talk:Shadowsin|<font color="darkred">یíɳ</font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 06:04, 20 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{build|Team - Triple Necro Vanquish}}=== |
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| − | Og lo, Apekooi, Garrond's votes. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] [[User:Mafaraxas|<font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas</font>]] 12:48, 20 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Bumped, those votes need pwning.[[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>--Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 11:53, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Shen got Og lo's. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 21:16, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{build|E/A Basic KD Air Spiker}}=== |
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| − | Author vote of 5-5-5 for a build that does an 8-second spike for about 300-400 damage +DW--[[User:Goldenstar|Goldenstar]] 16:33, 20 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Gone. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 16:55, 20 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Mgrinpson's vote or however you spell it XD. Not an explination.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 22:25, 20 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Taken care of; it's "Mgrinshpon" by the way :P. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]] [[user:Defiant Elements|<font color=black>'''*Defiant Elements*'''</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=darkred><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 09:54, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Lol@ that vote.[[Image:Styxx_HL.jpg|19px]][[user:Frans|<b><font color="blue">Frans</font></b>]] 15:48, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Generic wiki-er's vote. Author vote + not valid :P'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 15:51, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::It took me like a year to get "Mgrinshpon" down. I just pronounce it as "Em Grinsh Pwn" --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 09:18, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::Swiftslash's vote says attributes are off, they arent'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 09:33, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::Doesn't affect the vote, or at least it shouldn't in my mind. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 19:13, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Some votes say not enough damage when it clearly has BLADES OF STEEL!!'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 10:02, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Its very bad...----[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">ﮎHædõ๘</font>]][[User talk:Shadowsin|<font color="darkred">یíɳ</font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 11:07, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Agreed. [[User:I Am Jebus|I Am Jebus]] 15:42, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|A/N Virulence Assassin}}=== |
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| − | Look over this please'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 15:39, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :If the idea rly was taken and trashed, plz well it, even though its my build'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 15:41, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::It has been. I'll add WELL. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 08:11, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::KK'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 08:14, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Pretty sure the last one was a caster version. Doesn't look that bad to be welled. [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 08:20, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|N/W Corrupt Anti-Melee Necro}}=== |
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| − | Retardedly low votes with bad reasoning. It may be bad in some ways, but it's not a 0-0-0. Specifically, User:Lord Xivor and User:Guild of Deals's votes. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 16:46, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Gone. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 17:06, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | User:Timmy963's vote. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 16:52, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Gone. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 17:06, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Need a build rating wipe because I have changed the build as it was being tested. Thank you in advance. [[Image:Jtfire55.jpeg|19px]][[User:Jtfire55|<font color="Firebrick">'''Jtfire55'''</font>]] 17:51, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :All you did was add Finish Him! The build concept is still faulty; Paragons aren't meant for DPS and no support. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 17:58, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ELOcK JCB's vote plz'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 18:31, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Erm, what's wrong with it?--[[User:Goldenstar|Goldenstar]] 18:33, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::His "reason" was saying that part of the build description made him laugh, which really isn't at all relevant. Removed. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 18:42, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::It was an old vote. I just updated the #s. — '''[[User talk:Eloc Jcg|<font color="black">ク</font>]] [[User:Eloc Jcg|<font color="red">Eloc</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Eloc Jcg|<font color="Black">貢</font>]]''' 18:59, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Crossfire 5-5-5ed a life sheath. and proceeded to call it an antispike.[[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>--Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 19:02, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :He's changed it to 4-3-5 which for his reasons seems sound, and while life sheath isn't an aniti spike it certainly helps reduce damage (considering it nulifies a considerable amount of damage.)<span style="font-family: comic sans ms; font-size: 10pt;"><B>[[User:Phenaxkian|<font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian</font>]]</B></span> ([[User talk:Phenaxkian|<font color="Red">T</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Phenaxkian|c]]) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 08:46, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Obviously author vote of all 555 where this build makes no sense whatsoever!! loll, you gotta see it!!!!'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 20:44, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :While I don't agree with it, at least the author provides rationale. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 21:22, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Not for a 5 in universality. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 21:25, 21 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Plz take a look at goldenstar's vote. {{unsigned|Crossfirexiv}} |
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| − | :Don't dispute a vote with the basis being that there's something in the Variants. His point is, there should be a shadowstep in the main bar. You would do well to listen. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 16:40, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Yeah but shadowstep on the main bar is less efficient, but if it will make him happy ill change it.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 18:35, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Ownage's vote just says he likes the build.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 16:23, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Gone. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 16:58, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | [[user:SotiCoto|SotiCoto]]'s vote. Just outright failure vote. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 16:28, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Shen's taking care of it. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 16:30, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::/Agree'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 16:30, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Some of the more recent votes seem a tad unfair. Please look into it and disregard if not eligible (lol uncommon words) (see bottom of talk page for explanation proper) [[Image:Sebsig.jpg|19px]] '''[[User:Seb2net|<font color="darkblue">Seb2net</font>]]''' <small>[[User_talk:Seb2net|<font color="purple">(Talk)</font>]]</small> 18:42, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Siphon Speed>Hidden Caltrops. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 19:04, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :/agree, needs some vtoes to be looked over.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 19:06, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Author requesting a vote wipe (as opposed to mass vote rollback). -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 19:38, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Just delete it its inferior to other builds. You wipe the votes, people revote again, and the author requests another vote wipe.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 19:46, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::the plan was to put it back in trial as it was never really evaluated before testing in the first place, but hey, a complete remake is fine. [[Image:Sebsig.jpg|19px]] '''[[User:Seb2net|<font color="darkblue">Seb2net</font>]]''' <small>[[User_talk:Seb2net|<font color="purple">(Talk)</font>]]</small> 19:50, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::fine >.<'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 20:57, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Wait, why a vote wipe? nothing has changed. [[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 21:48, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::It's suppose to be going back into trial guess nobody did it yet. [[User:XvivaX|XvivaX]] 22:30, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Guild of deals and the other 1-1-1.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 22:28, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Pretty much:look at whos voting it down. Srsly, rawr was right, pvx fails.[[User:Dark0805|<font color=black><b>--Dark0805</b></font>]]<small><b>(</b>[[User_talk:Dark0805|<font color=red>Rant</font>]]<b>/</b>[[Special:Contributions/Dark0805|<font color=#ff11aa>Contributions</font>]]<b>)</b></small> 23:07, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::I agree, too many idiots with too much influence.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 23:18, 22 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Your the idiot for making the build. Now your necro cant use a staff because hes too busy blocking with repose (sword).'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 00:00, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::If people think the build is bad, you dont fight it, you let it go and make a new build. Why fight the waves when they pull you back to shore.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 00:00, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::ROFL, oh noes cant use staff. the use swords/axes anyways. gg.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 00:02, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::Staff = More energy and more mods that affect spells (halves skill recharge, halves casting time, extra energy). Seriously, this rly doent have a point. IF your so anxious to block, Run standard anti-melee hexer and replace resurrection signet with diciplined stance... or Aegis :P. Seriously tho, you shouldnt sacrifice extra energy and spell modifications for a simple skill.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 00:05, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::::"If you wish to dispute another user's vote, it is advised to do so on the build's talk page." This discussion does not belong here. [[Image:Defiant Elements Sig Test 2.JPG|50x19px]] [[user:Defiant Elements|<font color=black>'''*Defiant Elements*'''</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=darkred><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 00:07, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::::there is no dispute, he's just wrong and his vote needs to be removed. Look at his reasoning here, it's laughable. If hes so worried about not using his precious staff then tell him to swap to sword for riposte and then stop QQing. [[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 00:10, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::::::Why are you pointing this at me.. theres like 4 other 1-1-1 votes. Go yell at them. Just tell admins to remove my vote and I just wont vote for it. There we go, you get nice votes for your build, and '''my time isnt wasted'''. Everyone wins.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 00:13, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | STAFF GIVES +10 NRG AT ALL TIMES, YOU CAN NEVER DROP IT.--[[User:Aesthetic|<font color="teal"><small>'''AESTHE'''</small></font>]][[User talk:Aesthetic|'''<font color="black"><small>T</small></font>''']]<font color="teal"><small>I</small></font>[[Special:Contributions/Aesthetic|'''<font color="black"><small>C</small></font>''']] |
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| − | '''Untainted disease in PvP'''(Tycn's vote)... Build has condition removal now.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 08:47, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Also Yo Ich Halt's build is 0-0-0 only because "someone made this build before"'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 08:48, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::You have teammates. And if you stay in melee range, you'll get the disease except in the unlikely event that they die. And the concept has been shot down in the past, I think with the exact or nearly the same bar. '''[[User:Tycn|<font color="brown">Mike Tycn</font>]]<small>([[User talk:Tycn|<font color="maroon">punch</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Tycn|<font color="navyblue">out</font>]])</small>''' 08:52, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Signet of malice is in the main bar. Better survivability in AB and RA, and rids yourself of disease.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 08:54, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::If you're getting spiked or ganked, I doubt you'll have time to lay down your stuff for Conditions to use Signet of Malice. Anyway, by Assassins aren't known for being survivable. They go in, spike down an important target (Monks, Mesmers, Necromancers), and either run away to get healed or die, get ressed, and spike again. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 11:43, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | DE didn't say that for no reason. Lrn2listen. — '''[[User:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: maroon">Skadiddly</span>]]'''[슴Mc슴]'''[[User talk:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: darkgoldenrod">Diddles</span>]]''' 23:06, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :IMO, always trust DE's words. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 14:15, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Author vote 5-5-5, with no meaning behind it :D.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 23:50, 23 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Doesn't matter, it's trash anyways. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 14:16, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Lann's Vote needs to be looked over.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 00:23, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :The whole build needs to be looked over its bad.----[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">ﮎHædõ๘</font>]][[User talk:Shadowsin|<font color="darkred">یíɳ</font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 00:33, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::I think 90% of the builds i make are bad, but some others disagree'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 00:34, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Then why make them/use them.?----[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">ﮎHædõ๘</font>]][[User talk:Shadowsin|<font color="darkred">یíɳ</font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 00:35, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Because they '''look''' like good ideas until the community finds its flaws. Then you can see what not to do in the future. I'm sure youve made a few horrible builds before. Im not one of those angry authors that gets pissed when ppl vote 000 becuase they dont like the build. Thats why i put a Delete tag on almost half my builds, and the ones ppl dont like, i vote 0-0-0.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 00:39, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I'd look over the one that says "except this can get through guardian". — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 00:58, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Do whatever you please'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 01:03, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Teh uber's vote, imbagon cant be used in HA. elocs also, numbers are a little low to have no reason at all.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 15:20, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I agree. It is really useful in PvE, but you should always go by the first tag. I'd like to see Imbagon in HA. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 19:12, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Removed mine. — '''[[User talk:Eloc Jcg|<font color="black">ク</font>]] [[User:Eloc Jcg|<font color="red">Eloc</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Eloc Jcg|<font color="Black">貢</font>]]''' 11:26, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | The 5-5-5's should be looked at.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 15:41, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :There aren't any. [[User:Lord Belar|<font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar</font>]] 15:43, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::oh my bad, the 5-4-5s and 5-5-4s. somehow i think the admins/bms woulda known what i meant.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 15:45, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Bob means 5-5-5's=high votes, which is basically true. Better than saying "The 5-4-5's, the 5-3-5's, the 6-2-5's, the 5-blue-kitty's" and what-not. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 17:00, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Yeah toomany blue kittys'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 17:09, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Crossfire's vote, lrn2energymanage and lrn2spike. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 16:56, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Taken care of. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 19:11, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::? Energy isnt my only concern tho.. I deleted my vote, but the bar takes a long time to recharge.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 20:11, 24 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Revised. Wipe votes plx. --[[User:Readem|<font color="Black">'''Readem'''</font>]] 00:55, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Should be wiped still. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 20:49, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | One vote is and I quote "lolololololol.", which is hardly a reason/explanation. Please remove. Also, Rodgort's Invocation is given as another reason, which is borderline comparison of another build... perhaps get him to say AoE is a possible counter?--[[User:Sneakysmith12|Sneakysmith12]] 16:55, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :It sucks either way. "lololololol" means "Wow, this blows because it's bad." --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 16:58, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::lolololol is a FAR better reason then yours was. the build stinks, a 2 week grace period in too good for it.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 20:25, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::I quote, "A vote must be based on facts. Votes that are entirely based on a false premise, flagrantly misrepresent a build's ability or demonstrate a minimal understanding of in-game mechanics are considered invalid." -- Please note the "flagrantly misrepresent a build's ability" part... there are a lot of builds all with 0s... stating that the build doesn't work at all... Obviously none of these people have tried this anywhere... Some sense would allow people to realize this works... just try it if you don't believe me. Based on the line taken from our policy... the majority of the votes should be required to be removed... [[User:68.102.139.94|68.102.139.94]] 22:05, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::[[PvX:IGNORE]]. Go to gww if you want strict rules. [[User:Lord Belar|<font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar</font>]] 22:42, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::However, doesn't [[PvX:IGNORE]] clearly state a viable reason must be given to break a rule... twice, and as this build does work... and the most people can do is say, "lololol" harldy counts as a reason to break it... my bad... it doesn't. Sorry Belar... even under that policy these people are in the wrong. [[User:Sneakysmith12|Sneakysmith12]] 07:37, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::The reason is the build sucks and it's a waste of our time to write a full reason. get over it, the build is totally and utterly pointless.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 15:12, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::::Firstly it isn't pointless... in fact it is effective. Secondly, going back to the Ignore policy... "If you plan on breaking the rules, you had better have a credible explanation for it.", and well now is your time to give an explanation. Each and everyone one of you.[[User:68.102.139.94|68.102.139.94]] 17:40, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::::There, reason given. Consider it to be the same for everyone else. [[User:Lord Belar|<font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar</font>]] 21:17, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::::::First off... no. People speak for themselves if you really want to speak for everyone... buy the sever? Secondly... AoE, E-Denial, Spike covers about every team tactic... so yes its true that some of these could counter the build. However, I'd suggest you look at E-Denial... There are healers... so that is generally an accepted way to deal with damage (I sure as hope :S), and finally based on the policies listed here there is still only two viable votes... remove the others please [[User:Sneakysmith12|Sneakysmith12]] 23:15, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Even the <nowiki><big></nowiki> tags aren't helping. ffs [[User:75.75.180.0|75.75.180.0]] 23:49, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Still waiting... do your job admins... even if you don't like it (not saying you do)... I'm undoubtedly right...[[User:Sneakysmith12|Sneakysmith12]] 17:01, 28 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::I wouldn't hold your breath. And the [[Special:Listusers/buildmaster|BMs]] handle most of the vote removal, not the admins. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 18:04, 28 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::I don't see a case here. The build has been unanimously trashed. If the author disagrees with the votes, it is his prerogative to raise the discussion on the build's talk page; not on the admin noticeboard. Notices are intended for mediation or immediate administrator intervention, not for dragging us into a one-sided debate. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 18:52, 28 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Look at Cheeze slayer's vote plz. Low rating because he's comparing it to his HA build.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 18:39, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :It's not only for HA. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 18:45, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :He's right. What's not covered in the Warder is covered in the other one. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 18:45, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::? This build focuses on Maelstrom + Icy shackles. And cheeze slayer's build is tagged solely for Ha with different skills.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 18:47, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::Then add Maelstrom as a variant in the existing ones. Don't create an entire build with the same purpose, same skills, same usage, same attributes, and then whine on the Admin noticeboard about it being different. It's been going on for a while now and it's something that needs to be addressed immediately, and I'm taking this opportunity to do so. A few somewhat-similar existing builds does not give one leeway to spam dupes. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 18:50, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Alright, delete it then, I agree. Icy Shackles Warder > This.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 18:52, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::Information added to specified build page. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 18:55, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | [[User:Rihadol]]'s vote says you should take wolven blessing. And as for the more pros than cons, I think 45% damage reduction and almost double damage is better than 33% less healing and secondary professions that arent even used in ursan form (where most of the time is spent). In all fairness, [[User:Lord Belar]]'s vote should be elaborated. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] [[User:Ressmonkey|<font color="blue">'''Ressmonkey''']] [[User Talk:Ressmonkey|(''talk'')</font>]] 20:49, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Elaborated. :P [[User:Lord Belar|<font color="#DD2200">Lord Belar</font>]] 20:57, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Merging would be appropriate. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 20:59, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Huh, what am I saying, the variation has been mentioned. This should be deleted. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 21:01, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Didnt see note at bottom of Any/Me Ursan thing, so delete away. --- [[Image:Monk-icon-Ressmonkey.JPG|15px]] [[User:Ressmonkey|<font color="blue">'''Ressmonkey''']] [[User Talk:Ressmonkey|(''talk'')</font>]] 21:11, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Rewritten. — [[User:Rapta|<font color="silver">'''Rapta'''</font>]] [[image:Rapta_Icon1.gif|19px]] <small>([[User_talk:Rapta|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Rapta|contribs]])</small> 22:04, 25 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Dark Enzan's Vote needs to be looked over by an admin'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 16:32, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :and after that, look over all the good votes and remove plx.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 16:40, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::What do you find wrong with it?'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 16:45, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::uhhh, read his vote maybe? same goes for mine --[[User:InfestedHydralisk|<font color="black">'''Infested'''</font><font color="brown">'''Hydralisk'''</font>]] [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig.jpg|19px]]<small>([[User_talk:InfestedHydralisk|<font color="black">'''Talk'''</font>]]*[[Special:Contributions/InfestedHydralisk|<font color="black">'''Contributions'''</font>]])</small> 16:49, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::Did you actually try using it to farm? TBH this is the ''FASTEST'' ritualistboss farming build.... let alone the only one. This ISNT A necro so i wouldnt suggest 55 necro at all'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 16:50, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::we're talking about farming in general, E/A and A/E shadowform beats the rit....hard --[[User:InfestedHydralisk|<font color="black">'''Infested'''</font><font color="brown">'''Hydralisk'''</font>]] [[image:InfestedHydralisk_sig.jpg|19px]]<small>([[User_talk:InfestedHydralisk|<font color="black">'''Talk'''</font>]]*[[Special:Contributions/InfestedHydralisk|<font color="black">'''Contributions'''</font>]])</small> 16:52, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::move this discussion to the build page.[[User:Bob fregman|Bob fregman]] 16:52, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::::So why are builds being vetted "great" because its only the only build tat uses seeping wound or somthing. Why dont the voters compare the build to Shadow Prison or all those other meta sins'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 16:56, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::::That build has a 1.88 rating. Try again. --[[User:71.229|71.229]] 16:57, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | === {{Build|A/any Nolani Academy Farmer}} === |
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| − | Most the votes are just 100% wrong. SF/SA is faster and can kill more.--[[User:Aesthetic|<font color="teal"><small>'''AESTHE'''</small></font>]][[User talk:Aesthetic|'''<font color="black"><small>T</small></font>''']]<font color="teal"><small>I</small></font>[[Special:Contributions/Aesthetic|'''<font color="black"><small>C</small></font>''']] |
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| − | :I'd say the only wrong vote there is your's. It's designed specifically for killing the boss, NOTHING else. This is a lot more effective than the SF/SA for killing the boss, this doesn't have the risk of sliver not targeting the boss, this is GUARANTEED to target the boss (granted if sliver does get the boss it's more effective, but the problem is your not always going to). While it might not be able to get all of the bosses there (unlike sliver when it works) it has the added bonus of being more reliable. <span style="font-family: comic sans ms; font-size: 10pt;"><B>[[User:Phenaxkian|<font color="#4F94CD">PheNaxKian</font>]]</B></span> ([[User talk:Phenaxkian|<font color="Red">T</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Phenaxkian|c]]) [[Image:Phenaxkian_sig_phoenix.jpg|19px]] 18:24, 26 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::SA will almost always target the boss and if it doesn't the creature it targeted will drop in a few seconds then it will kill the boss.I tryed both too, SA is just better.--[[User:Aesthetic|<font color="teal"><small>'''AESTHE'''</small></font>]][[User talk:Aesthetic|'''<font color="black"><small>T</small></font>''']]<font color="teal"><small>I</small></font>[[Special:Contributions/Aesthetic|'''<font color="black"><small>C</small></font>''']] |
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| − | :::/agree with aestetic'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 06:58, 27 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | [[user:SotiCoto|SotiCoto]]'s vote. He clearly doesn't know how to MB. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 19:06, 27 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Skakid raped it. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 19:17, 27 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|A/W AB Moebius Assault}}=== |
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| − | Someone plz look over Lord belar's vote.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 19:25, 27 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Don't just post votes you disagree with. Start a section discussing the vote on the build's talk page. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 20:09, 27 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::So whats the noticeboard for?'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 20:10, 27 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::[http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard#Build-Specific_Issues] -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 20:13, 27 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::(e.g. factually incorrect votes) or issues in need of mediation. (his vote is nothing about the build, and ill start discussion on the page now)'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 20:15, 27 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|A/W HB Flourish Sin}}=== |
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| − | Craptastic build that has 4.5+ ratings O.o--[[User:Goldenstar|Goldenstar]] 21:29, 27 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :It wasnt craptastic before GoD suggested i change it lol :(. Check discussion page plz.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 21:33, 27 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Nah, it was mediocre the whole time. --[[Image:Mafaraxas_sig.jpg|click moar]] [[User:Mafaraxas|<font color="black" face="calibri">Mafaraxas</font>]] 21:39, 27 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::I am now sad'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 21:40, 27 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::When did I suggest a change? --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 17:25, 28 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::The whole "it needs a shadowstep" thing and now ppl rate bad because theres no longer an IAS and the shadowstep sucks'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 18:06, 28 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::I think you mean goldenstar, not guild. As far as I can tell, guild hasn't commented on that this build's talk page. '''[[User:Wizardboy777|<font color="#CD2626">¬ Wizårdbõÿ777</font>]]'''<small>([[PvXwiki:Administrators|<font color="darkcyan">sysop</font>]])</small> 19:01, 29 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::::::When it comes to Shadowsteps, leave me the fuck out :O --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 07:13, 1 March 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::::::::Ohh my bad, im sorry[[image:Stoneflesh Aura.jpg|21px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">'''←Crossfire Is Buff'''</font>]] 09:02, 1 March 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Please look at these votes... both the good and bad ones.'''[[image:Companionship.jpg|19px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="black" face="arial bold">Cross xXx Fire</font>]]<small>[[Special:Contributions/Crossfirexiv|<font color="green" face="arial bold">(contribs)</font>]]</small>''' 16:15, 28 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|D/N Arcane Orders Dervish}}=== |
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| − | Severely conflicting votes. --[[User:71.229|71.229]] 16:46, 28 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I personally think it's crap. Still, many people are either 5-5-5's or 1-1-1's/0-0-0's. An admin should make the decision on whose right. Still, common sense would say a N/D can run Masochism, save their elite, use the same Dervish healing skills, and have better attribs in Blood Magic to provide better orders. --[[image:GoD Sig3.jpg|20px]]<b>[[user:Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Guild</font>]][[user talk:Guild of Deals|<font color="gold">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guild of Deals|<font color="black">Deals</font>]]</b> 17:26, 28 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::'''STOP FUCKING COMMENTING ON THIS PAGE FFS''' — '''[[User:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: maroon">Skadiddly</span>]]'''[슴Mc슴]'''[[User talk:Skakid9090|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color: darkgoldenrod">Diddles</span>]]''' 17:27, 28 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::What Skakid said. Please try to keep the noticeboard as streamlined as possible. If you have any comments, please add them to the respective talk page. --[[Image:scottie_bow.jpg|19px]] [[User:Scottie theNerd|'''<font color="green">Scottie_theNerd</font>''']] <small>[[User_talk:Scottie theNerd|<font color="green">(argue</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Scottie_theNerd|<font color="red">criticise</font>]]/[[PvXwiki:Admin_noticeboard|<font color="blue">complain)</font>]]</small> 18:55, 28 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Resolved by Shogunshen + more votes. --[[User:71.229|71.229]] 00:15, 2 March 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ==={{Build|A/W Auspicious Assassin}}=== |
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| − | I messed up moving the build originally. The build was moved to the page above but the corresponding talk page [[Build:A/W Auspicious Armour]] needs to be redirected and somehow wont. Can you fix this please? [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 06:39, 29 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Ok, I did a small fix myself. I made a new build page here: [[Build:A/W Auspicious Agility]] and moved thetalk page acordingly which worked for me. Now the mess I made needs clearing up. I would add delete tags but I'm not exactly sure what I should be adding them too if at all. Sorry for the inconvenience. :( [[User:Selket Shadowdancer|Selket Shadowdancer]] 06:56, 29 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | === {{Build|R/Mo Prepared Ranger}} === |
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| − | 0-0-0 rating with bad reasoning and a few votes before a chance --[[User:Fox007|Fox007]] 14:58, 29 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I think you should look at the 5-5-5s[[image:Stoneflesh Aura.jpg|21px]][[User:Crossfirexiv|<font color="goldenrod" face="arial bold">'''←Crossfire Is Buff'''</font>]] 15:40, 29 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | ::Meh got pissed because some put a bad vote because i insisted to keep the PvE tag which he chanced without any discussion --[[User:Fox007|Fox007]] 15:46, 29 February 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :::I think the stupid thing should be trashed.----[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">ﮎHædõ๘</font>]][[User talk:Shadowsin|<font color="darkred">یíɳ</font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 15:06, 1 March 2008 (EST) |
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| − | There has been both a rewrite and it is in Trial, 2 things warranting vote wipes. But to be honest, just tag it for deletion, it's crap. - [[user:Snow White Tan|<font color="#000080"><b>(nō'vĭk dăn tĕt')</b></font>]][[Image:Ritualist-icon-small.png]][[User Talk:Snow White Tan|<small>[snō hwīt tăn]</small>]] 20:52, 1 March 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :I explained on the talk page why all the votes keeping this build alive were false, so it should just be gone.----[[User:Shadowsin|<font color="black">ﮎHædõ๘</font>]][[User talk:Shadowsin|<font color="darkred">یíɳ</font>]][[image:Shadowsin_sig.PNG]] 02:18, 2 March 2008 (EST) |
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| − | === {{Build|Team - TA Hex Overload}} === |
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| − | Low votes. WoD isn't there to strip adren offa warriors. It's to counter interrupt rangers so you can get your hexes through. Interrupt rangers without attacking skills aren't so dangerous. [[User:Swiftslash|<font color="black">'''Swiftslash \\'''</font>]] [[Image:Impale.jpg|19px]] <small> ([[Special:Contributions/Swiftslash|<font color="Black">''contributions''</font>]] *[[User:Swiftslash/sandbox|<font color="black">''sandbox''</font>]])</small> 03:59, 1 March 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Look at the comment right above the one you started. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 13:43, 1 March 2008 (EST) |
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| − | Bob's rating. He greatly underestimates the insane defense given by Bone Minion spam.[[User:Teh Uber Pwnzer|<font color="Black">''' — Teh Uber Pwnzer'''</font>]] 22:21, 1 March 2008 (EST) |
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| − | :Gone. -[[User:Shogunshen|<font color="Black">Shen</font>]] 22:43, 1 March 2008 (EST) |
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