PvXwiki:Admin noticeboard

The Admin noticeboard

There are a number of issues that can only be solved by an Administrator. The Admin noticeboard is one of the means through which users can contact Administrators in order to identify a problem that needs Administrative attention. Although editors are welcome to directly contact particular Administrators, posting on this page instead may be an easier way to let the entire Administrative group know of the issue (which may be particularly helpful since it increases the odds that at least one Administrator will see, and thus be able to respond to, the issue promptly).

There are only a limited number of things for which this page should be used. Many problems can be solved without Administrative intervention, and, thus, this page should be restricted to those issues that actually require an Administrator. Those are: blocking vandals, (un)deleting pages, (un)protecting pages, removing votes (either as per Real Vetting or because the build has been substantially edited), and mediation (only if the situation demands it).

Even in cases of vandalism, posting on this page needn't be the first step (and indeed should not be the first step). If you see vandalism, just go ahead and revert it, anyone has the power to do so. If it's a new article with no safe version to revert back to, tag it for deletion. In both cases you should leave a message in the talk page of that user to make him/her aware of why that kind of edit is unacceptable on PvXwiki. Only post here if that user persists in his/her actions, ignoring the warnings or if the content requires immediate Administrative attention (eg. if the material on the page is so offensive that should be immediately deleted).

(Be careful in case that user repeatedly insists on vandalizing, avoid a revert war; it's far better to temporarily leave the vandalized version of the page up until an admin has a chance to intervene.)

To create a new request: add an item to the bottom of the list below, providing a brief, neutral summary of the issue. As a sign of courtesy, also leave a message on the talk page of any other involved users so they are aware of this discussion. If you are alerting an admin of a vandal, use the {{IP}} template, with the first parameter being the vandal's IP or username. If you are requesting that vote(s) be removed, please use the {{Build}} template, with the first parameter being the build's name.

Please place new requests at the bottom of the corresponding issues heading.

General Issues

General issues include (un)deleting pages, (un)protecting pages, banning vandals, and moderating serious disputes. This section may also be used for miscellaneous issues as well as Administrative announcements. See resolved issues here.

Conformation E-mail bug

I can't get my conformation e-mail and im sure what to do, i've tried different e-mails and it still won't appear. What should i do?--Lord of Destruction 16:53, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Just try to rate something. IDK you need a comformation e-mail. --GuildofDeals 17:23, 28 February 2008 (EST)

What email provider are you using? Becuase if it's aol, try uninstalling aol, because aol is a virus. Also, try adding admin@pvxwiki.com to your contacts list. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:59, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Ok I do have aol but I'm at school right now and I'll try it when i get home thanks--Lord of Destruction 07:30, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Im having the same problem. someone PLEEZ HELP MAÌmmφrτalìs αnìmµs a Kìεsτ (talk/pvxcontribs) 18:08, 29 February 2008 (EST)

It's really a bug. I made a new account and a new email address; got a confirmation email from GWW just fine, couldn't get one from pvx no matter what I did. No amount of clicking "send confirmation" made it come. -Auron 04:33, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

same. I just put my new e-mail addres on and never got confrimation.-- aesthetic

Bump? this is rly annoying not to vote/see votes.-- aesthetic

Idk, but it'd be great to sign w/ 4 ~'s instead of just 3... Then we can see the date. That is really Gcard and Hhhipos thing though. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   14:07, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Check Junk Folder. — ク Eloc 貢 18:11, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Hide-And-Seek (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

I am reporting user Hide-And-Seek for this and this edit. Amy Awien 17:27, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

(Edit conflict)

User:Hide-And-Seek blocked for 1 week for NPA.

User:Mattie blocked 2 weeks for sockpuppetry.

User:99.243.29.245 blocked indefinately for sockpuppetry.

In addition, please don't remove comments from from talk pages (including "yours") no matter how offensive it might be, unless it violates PW:DIS. With random lines of these "racial remarks", it is better to leave them so it becomes easier for administrators to identify the intent (perhaps not the right term) of the edit and issue an appropriate block or ban. Thank you. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:39, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Both are the same edits, you may want to add Mattie too for this edit. Godbox 17:38, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

No matter who does it, and no matter what the intent, joke, or malicious. Racism is wrong and is not justified, ever! This sort of stuff needs to be stopped, especially on a sponsored site. It's disgusting! Selket Shadowdancer 18:06, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

A word can't be racist without intent to be racist. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 18:36, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

lol when did we get sponsored Antiarchangel NO U 18:42, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

About four months ago. :O --71.229 18:45, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

@Rapta: Don't give me none of that crap, it's wrong and you damn well know it is! As an admin you should know better and not be trying to justify this behaviour. That sort of behaviour would not be condoned on any other proffessional sponsored site, it shouldn't be condoned here, end of story! People do/will find it offfensive, and I'm most definitely one of them. Selket Shadowdancer 20:12, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

It's not wrong, and I know it's not wrong. Especially in a twisted society where a single word can be considered to be taboo when spoken by people not of a certain colour. It's utterly rediculous.

But that aside, this is inappropriate for the Admin Noticeboard. Unless someone has issues with the blocks I issued, this is resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 23:51, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Amy Awien (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Five violations of NPA ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5]), three of which were directed at administrators trying to resolve a dispute and at least one of which came after being warned, violation of the spirit of both PvX:DIS and PvX:DICK. --Some Anonymous Coward

Last two links do not appear to be violations of NPA, while others are mild. Could use second opinion. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 18:31, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

I like to give opinions, although it really doesn't matter as I have no admin stuff (/cough, /cough) but honestly, it seems to all be a misunderstanding of the word "nigger" on PvX as a joke rather than a racial slur. It was probably just dragged out a little too far on both ends. --GuildofDeals 18:33, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

I give everyone permission to NPA me since I'm such an asshole, so it's cool. — Skakid 18:34, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

One through four are directed at actions, not persons. Why did you not see that yourself, too eager perhaps? Amy Awien 19:10, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Stop trolling. Thanks. -Auron 21:53, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

You have some nerve, I am trolling? What is this? Amy Awien 04:00, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

You're being overtly hostile to everyone and everything that isn't aligned with your personal morals and opinions, even when we go out of our way to avoid responding in kind. Thus, trolling. --71.229 04:10, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Zarka (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

NPA here and here. --GuildofDeals 16:03, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

Nvm, he said he'd quit. If he NPA's again, though... --GuildofDeals 16:05, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

24.71.223.142 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Has been vandalizing the vetted assassin pages. Check his contributions. Frvwfr2 has warned him, but he didn't stop. -StarSeeker | My talk 13:52, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

He has now. I was waiting for him to get my warning, and I think he has. EDIT: Week long ban. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   13:53, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Okay, thanks. Nice and speedy reaction btw. -StarSeeker | My talk 13:56, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Np, bored playing my DS surfing the web... Hehe. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   14:05, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

60.229.34.227 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Vandalizing build:A/E_AoD_Shock_SinX14 09:57, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

Block duration set to 1 week. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:31, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

76.25.252.67 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

[6] [7] [8] [9] Vandal --Shadowphoenix 01:38, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Blocked for 3 days. *Defiant Elements* +talk 11:33, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Build talk:Team - GvG/HA Ranger Spike

Has been blanked twice now, the corresponding build page blanked once at the time of posting. Once by an anonymous user, once by a named user. I've reverted once, I'm not about to get into a revert war. Misery 12:17, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

The build (and its corresponding talk page) have been deleted at the authors request. *Defiant Elements* +talk 12:29, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Build-Specific Issues

Build-Specific refers to any issue pertaining to the removal of votes, usually resolved by a Build Master or Administrator. See resolved issues here.

If you wish to dispute another user's vote, it is advised to do so on the build's talk page. This section of the noticeboard is intended to notify Admins or Build Masters of issues that can be speedily resolved (e.g. factually incorrect votes) or issues in need of mediation. Avoid debating builds or votes here.

Note: If applicable, please identify specific votes to improve admin response time.

D/Mo Shield of Judgment UW Solo (talk · rate)

Please take a look at Riff's vote, as it is incorrect. - (är'tə-mĭs gōld'brănd)[snō hwīt tăn] 18:28, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Can you please elaborate on that? Riff took the time to elabrate on his/her rating in each section, so there should be at least an elaborate reason refuting it. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 00:06, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Riff gives it a low score saying Nightmares pop-ups always ruins the runs. This is incorrect. Look at both the usage section of the article and the talk page. He has also misunderstood the difference between Effectiveness and Universality, giving Effectiveness a low score because of Nightmares. Same goes for Matti Nuke, as he said "See Riff's comment." - (ză'rē'năs thĕ shăd'ō)[snō hwīt tăn] 22:43, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

A/R Promise Assassin PvE (talk · rate)

Various unexplained votes with ratings that are not reflective of the actual build (User:PvXJing in particular). — Rapta (talk|contribs) 20:06, 5 March 2008 (EST)

Gone. -Shen 20:31, 5 March 2008 (EST)

GoD's vote. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 14:47, 8 March 2008 (EST)

WTB third opinion as per APPEAL. -Shen 11:33, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

R/Mo Close Combat Ranger (talk · rate)

Would like some additional opinion regarding whether build is worthy of archival, or it should just be WELL'd. Reasons on archive tag (should my opinion be asked for, I'm leaning towards no archiving for this one). — Rapta (talk|contribs) 21:56, 8 March 2008 (EST)

It wasn't that great to begin with. I don't think it deserves an archive, it was only Other. --GuildofDeals 13:46, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Unarchived, back in voting. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:56, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

W/Me UW Cyclone Solo (talk · rate)

Heavy Yield put a bad rating...because its too effective.-- aesthetic

Humpity Bumpity.-- aesthetic

Resolved. Vote removed. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 14:23, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

A/E AoD Spike Sin (talk · rate)

Needs Vote wipe, Different skills and all the votes rely on the old version.Now Crossfire's Pissed 16:17, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Now it's just a Deadly Arts Build: A/E AoD Shock Sin. --GuildofDeals 16:18, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Yer point :DNow Crossfire's Pissed 16:19, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Possibly WELL tag. --GuildofDeals 16:21, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Not really, because Now it's just a Deadly Arts. Different u knowNow Crossfire's Pissed 16:22, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

(Lord Belar) I moved this convo to the talk page. Nobody wants to see a conversation on the admin notice board.Now Crossfire's Pissed 17:55, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

R/W Sundering Hunter (talk · rate)

guess. Punjab 16:35, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. Vote removed. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:09, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Use of words that I'd normally link with racism here and after reverts here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amy Awien (contribs) 15:37, 15 March 2008.

It wasn't racist, it's just what people call them. — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 15:52, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

Also resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:54, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

No, it's not over, Auron felt the need to continue the flamefest and covertly and cowardly added an insult by linking back to one made earlier. Amy Awien 05:16, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Auron is bringing a close to the issue; you are the one continuing the flamefest. In a different context, social connotations of certain terms would be a high priority and be dealt with harshly. This is an unofficial repository of builds for Guild Wars, the culture of the wiki is more or less indifferent to such terms being thrown around casually. Auron has explained this on the talk page without personally attacking any of the involved users. Calling this mediation "cowardly" and "insulting" shows that you are unwilling to get over the flippant but irrelevant usage of one word on the internet, and you want to extend this fruitless argument for as long as you can with no relevant objective. If you can't handle one of your arguments being thrown back at you, learn to debate. -- Scottie_theNerd (argue/criticise/complain) 06:31, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Bullocks, you are twisting things around, I've not responded there and bring it here. Auron is not closing the issue, which was already closed, but attempting to provoke a reaction and rekindle the flames. I am asking admins for a reaction, not some trolling from you. Amy Awien 07:40, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Stop provoking flamewars. It is over. --71.229 06:36, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Tell that to Auron, I am not provoking anything, anonymous troll. Amy Awien 07:40, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

IP addresses have four sets of numbers, not two. Violate NPA less. --71.229 07:45, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Whatever, I'll just contact Razer. Amy Awien 07:49, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Have fun with that. I hope you don't include any lies or false information, because that would be most unfortunate for you. As of now, nobody's done anything wrong; we aren't bound to act by your code of decency. Although, your code of decency seems quite hypocritical, as you take no issue in insulting users yourself - but as soon as anyone else does it, you take offense.

Lastly, refrain from violating NPA or you will be banned. -Auron 08:11, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

The issue was closed, you reopened it by flaming me. The hypocrisy is from you, Auron, your personal attack came indirectly and incredibly cowardly by providing a link to a comment that stated I'd have no brains for linking this word with racism and here you come accusing me and pretending you've done nothing wrong? Amy Awien 10:18, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

No, you breached NPA multiple times. Stop pretending your god and everything you say is right and your sense of morals apply to our wiki. Just because this wiki is not something you believe it should be is no reason to start flaming everyone and causing general trouble. Rawrawr 10:22, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

I've breached NPA? I've been attacked constantly, including by an admin and you focus on my comment versus 71? Amy Awien 10:30, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Yes. And tbh we don't want you here unless you become constructive and stop QQing about shitall. Rawrawr 10:33, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

My personal attack was where? I'd be delighted if you could quote it at me, cos I'm pretty sure I didn't personally attack you. -Auron 12:45, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Its quite clear that people who consider a word racist lack brains ..., is the text you linked to - and thus subscribed to - as the logic. Amy Awien 15:39, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

In any case, this discussion does not belong here. Feel free to continue this discussion elsewhere, like on your talk page. This page is for discussing faults with the build, not a place for a flamefest. As I stated above (at the very top, infact), the issue with the ratings and build moving is resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 15:49, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Team - Mystic Ursanway (talk · rate)

TedTheFarmer's vote. Doesn't understand how much fucking damage you do. --GuildofDeals 17:46, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

In general, as his comments are exactly the same for rating. All 0-0-0's as well. --GuildofDeals 18:23, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Frvw got it. -Shen 09:41, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Team - Escape Way (talk · rate)

M3atwad's vote. Says "New metas are never innovative.", which is wrong as innovation is can this become/is meta. I don't think further elaboration is necessary, but I can always do that if it should be. 71.229's vote makes no sense at all and does in no way describe why he voted as he did. Godbox 03:31, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 15:09, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

E/R Magebane (talk · rate)

Mgrinshpon voted in Trial... --GuildofDeals 07:31, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

The guide. Use it. -Auron 07:37, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

A/E AoD Spike Sin (talk · rate)

Vote Wipe please. All the votes talk about the old version.Now Crossfire's Pissed 12:15, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

They do not. Some have AoD+Grasping mentioned, but the core of it is still true to the build. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 13:23, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

A/D Temple Strike Sin (talk · rate)

Few of the votes mention the lack of IAS and IMS, which is wrong. - (ză'rē'năs thĕ shăd'ō)[snō hwīt tăn] 22:45, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

25% faster isnt good enough for IMS. Especially because it relys on an enchantment where enchantment removal exists.Now Crossfire's Pissed 23:30, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

The build was rewritten by the original author. Votes cleared. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 23:54, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

crossfires' new vote has several points that dont make sense, and doesnt warrant a rating of which he gave. 1) whirling charge is fine for getting to an opponent, see the rampant A/D build that uses grenths grasp. 2) it also adds IAS, 25%, which is also fine, considering the chances for dual strike. hell, 25% is good enough anyways given thats what u get for being A/D. 3)enchantment removal? this build doesnt LIVE on enchantments like say, golden assassin attacks and other scythe attacks, and how often will you get all 4 stripped? 4) energy for temple strike is self sustaining at 4e-regen, AND there is attackers insight, which in most other vetts, is reason enough for emanagement. clearly some people just like to knock over builds with no respectable reasoning--Kkagari 09:08, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

The reason was obviously flawed. However, it's not directly related to your stated reason for the removal of his vote. Comments like "X profession builds are only supposed to be able to kill Y profession" votes are invalid to begin with. Anyways, vote is removed. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 13:07, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

A/W Flashing Agility (talk · rate)

Requesting a vote check, Flashing blades,While bad for pvp, isn't to terrible for PvE, yes there are better assassin elites out there but for things like moebius strike you have to wait 88% of the game through before you can cap it. I dont know about most other players, but speaking from personal experience, Flashing blades is the first elite, and easiest to cap, that you come by for an assassin, meaning that learning how to use it effectively can help you get through till you get moebius or some other decent elite. I mean the builds not great or anything but it got me through most of the game. o.O <-Not rich cant buy things like tomes. I dunno just my personal opinion.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 04:23, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

The wiki doesn't rate builds according to how easy they are to put together. They are rated on how good they are once you have them. Lord of all tyria 08:07, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

PvX:WELL specifically states that. There is little point in storing builds that are easy to use or put together but are clearly inferior to other builds. -- Scottie_theNerd (argue/criticise/complain) 08:13, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

That doesn't make the build trash in any way at all. The build clearly works and compared to Critical Defenses the requirements for blocking isn't prone to enchantment removal or blind etc, which is alot more common in PvE than stance removal. Flashing Blades isn't even that bad an elite choice for the build to be quite honest and the trash votes should be reconsidered for removal. Selket Shadowdancer 10:49, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

The requirement for blocking is prone to not attacking. If you get KD'd or are chasing something, other guys can clearly hit you. With Critical Defenses, you SAVE YOUR ELITE, have the same effect, and doesn't require attacking to work. Anyway, when was the last time you DIDN'T get a Crit Strike on an ASSASSSIN in PvE? I don't like Flashing Blades, I only run it on Heroes because I find them to fail at Crit Defenses. --GuildofDeals 13:49, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

No one is debating whether Critical Defenses is a good skill. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 14:05, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

The requirement for blocking is prone to not attacking. If you get KD'd or are chasing something, other guys can clearly hit you. With + 24 armour on yourself, and your party being blessed with +100 armour, should that be a problem for your monks to deal with? With Critical Defenses, you SAVE YOUR ELITE, have the same effect, and doesn't require attacking to work. Anyway, when was the last time you DIDN'T get a Crit Strike on an ASSASSSIN in PvE? Wrong, it does require attacking to work, otherwise how do you achieve a Critical Hit? LOL! Chase someone down, or get blinded, and you are not hitting and lose time to achieve a critical hit that can easily result in downtime which means no blocking for you. You should be attacking, all the time, to maintain Save Yourselves on your party. If you are seriously having issues with using Flashing Blades on an Assassin, a blocking skill that lasts a full 30 seconds, especially on that particular build, I really don't know what to say to you. Selket Shadowdancer 14:25, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Talk page. -Shen 14:31, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Meh, tried btw, not disputing there are better elites out there, or that you should use flashing blades over them o.O so yes flashing blades isnt great, never said it was. ----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 16:24, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Team - UW Wall Group (talk · rate)

Alleskapot his vote says that you do not need tanks for UW O.o. And rihadol compares it to a Dou build >.< --Fox007 07:16, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

You don't. Tanks are bad. Any other comments? -Auron 09:04, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Does that makes it a good reason anyways? --Fox007 09:17, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Discuss it further on the build talk page; if you wanted a reason for his vote, you should have asked him for it. -Auron 09:25, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

I did. --Fox007 09:43, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Team - Great Dwarf's Vampiric Order (talk · rate)

Jboy's vote doesn't make any sense and he won't change it either. Check build talk page for more details about this.Frans 09:21, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Could anyone remove it plz?Frans 15:38, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

N/any Soul Reaping Hybrid (talk · rate)

zarka's vote is displaying the classic symptoms of Fail. Punjab 14:40, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 15:01, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

A/W Auspicious Agility (talk · rate)

Elite change, vote wipe please. Selket Shadowdancer 07:14, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

It still sucksNow Crossfire's Pissed 09:36, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Is there really any need for that? You cast your vote, don't act like a dick about it. Selket Shadowdancer 09:45, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Thats not acting like a dick. Trying to prove a bad build owns is being a dick. Im just stating my opinion.Now Crossfire's Pissed 09:48, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Yes, it is acting like a dick, because you already passed your opinion in your vote, which means it isn't nessacary here. All you are doing with your previous comment is trolling the admin noticeboard. Selket Shadowdancer 09:59, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Let the admins talk here instead we are wasting time.Now Crossfire's Pissed 10:00, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Though it's not a good build, he's right, don't post it here, and don't tell HIM to not post here, because you provoked him.Frans 11:39, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Your opinion, Crossfire, belongs on the Talk page, not the admin noticeboard. Please do not use the noticeboard to express opinions regarding how good or bad a build is, and especially do not attempt to drag on an argument. -- Scottie_theNerd (argue/criticise/complain) 13:12, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Alright, thanks Scottie. Sorry SkelketNow Crossfire's Pissed 16:15, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Mo/any Pendulum Support Smiter (talk · rate)

PvXJing's vote. It makes no sense tbh. Swiftslash \\ (contributions *sandbox) 14:25, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 18:18, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

N/E GoR Hexer (talk · rate)

Build was remade, votes are now invalid. Swiftslash \\ (contributions *sandbox) 14:31, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

ResolvedX14 09:42, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

A/E Conjure Shackles (talk · rate)

Guilds vote, asks purpose of icy shackles when u have black mantis, reason is that it is a hex. By that logic, why have SP when you have black mantis one second later? fix plz. IAm *Jebus* 17:57, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

SP Sins (Trampling Ox) have a short lasting Shadow Prison (only 3 Deadly Arts). It's only used to keep them snared until you use Black Mantis Thrust. Anyway, Shadow Prison provides a Shadow Step as well. --GuildofDeals 17:58, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Hes right X( <font color=black face=hyborian>X</font><font color=darkred>14</font> 21:41, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Check coding :P IAm *Jebus* 22:03, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

If thats the case why use Shadow Prison? May aswell use Dark Prison and free up your elite slot. 5 seconds extra recharge isn't that much difference. Selket Shadowdancer 22:30, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Use Build talk:A/E Conjure Shackles, please. The admin noticeboard brings our attention to the debate. It shouldn't host the debate, because this is probably one of the most watched pages on the entire wiki. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 22:33, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Kk my bad. Ill avoid posting on other builds hereX14 22:36, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

W/E Shock Axe (talk · rate)

Zarka's logic is tremendously flawed. Punjab 19:09, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

The build has 61 5-5-5s. One vote is not important unless it is a major vote that decides the category the build is placed in.X14 19:45, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

It does on this build. --71.229 19:51, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

User:Shadowsin's vote for example: It makes me hate warriors, and go ouchX14 19:55, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

It does make me hate warriors, and my monk ouches.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 22:42, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

Btw Zarka's logic is flawed, saying shock axe is bad against anti melee is like saying casters are bad against daze. Its like obvious but not every build can carry its own counters, thus relying on its teamates to make up for it. just like if you daze a war its like lolwut?----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 22:48, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

No need to remove any more, the average is 5.00. — Skakid 22:56, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

wow didnt notice that o.O----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 23:00, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, but it's 4.97 for innovation. Remove tycn's. :P Lord Belar 23:09, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

It's a rather pointless removal, but I have removed the vote anyway -- it is true, stating that anti-melee counters melee builds doesn't make sense as far as vote comments go. -- Scottie_theNerd (argue/criticise/complain) 00:34, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

N/Rt Corrupt Enchantments (talk · rate)

Obviously the author vote explains nothing.X14 19:51, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

btw crossfire, price of failure is also prophecies.--Kkagari 20:59, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

Reckless isntX14 21:08, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

Also look at all the votes that say IP is bad. Antiarchangel NO U 14:44, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

It doesnt stop melee it just makes them take damage which PRICE DOES TOOX14 15:12, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

A/E Shackles Spike Sin (talk · rate)

Kkgari's vote. Mentions spike is slow, but it is a variant to the "great" version archived. Also mentions no synergy with elite and build... which makes no sense at all.X14 21:22, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

you tried reading the discussion page yet? or even the rest of my vote? any vanilla hex would serve the purpose of what you are using icy shackles for. just because you use the same attack chain, DOESNT make your build a variant, the crux of the build is totally different.--Kkagari 01:10, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

Talkpage plz, and Icy shackles is probably the best snare in the game.X14 09:32, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

Me/N Signet of Midnight Mesmer (talk · rate)

Railin clearly doesn't know mesmers. especially after the e-conundrum nerf... -- Mafaraxas 03:02, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

ResolvedX14 15:14, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

E/N Hex Prodigy (talk · rate)

Another BMs opinion on this, thanks. — Skakid 13:33, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

A/E Deadly Renewal (talk · rate)

Crossfires vote is inaccurate. Build has only 15 seconds downtime. User says Shadow Prison, which would give the build 10 seconds more downtime, dominates it. User is overlooking the use of Shock in the build and clearly hasn't read the usage. Selket Shadowdancer 15:28, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

Iron palm is 20 seconds, and Shadow Prison even post nerf is still better.X14 15:32, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

Shock. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 15:40, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

Thankyou Teh Uber Pwnzer. Overlooks Shock, see? You use Shock to restart the second chain. That way Iron Palm is ready for the third use and by the time you use Shock again on the fourth use your exhaustion is gone. Loop. Shadow Prison makes no difference as its mainly used for the shadowstep and primer for Iron Palm more than the snare, which Dark Prison can do just aswell only that it can be renewed meaning less downtime, seems you only have three melee attacks, one of which (the first) KDs and one of which (the 2nd) your target is KD'd for and is still snared for the last. Shadow Prison offers less versatility because it has a 25 second recharge and cannot be renewed by Glyph of Renewal. Selket Shadowdancer 15:43, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

You use Shock to restart the second chain Its too energy heavy. Dark prison is 10 energy you know.X14 22:43, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

Build has 44 energy to start with. Should you actually try it, you will find energy isn't as big an issue as people seem to think it is. Whatever floats your boat I guess. Selket Shadowdancer 08:47, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

A/E Shackles Spike Sin (talk · rate)

GoD is talking about no e-management, how deadly arts skill + shadowstep (Shadow Prison of course) should be used, etc.X14 23:05, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

Crit Strikes says hi. Atleast with the SP version you could auto-attack and gain some energy. --GuildofDeals 10:25, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

No need all skills are like 5 energy.X14 10:26, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Atleast with the SP version you could auto-attack and gain some energy. From me, above. --GuildofDeals 10:27, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Ok so like 3 crit should be no problem with zeal daggers.X14 10:28, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Most DA spike Sins run Deadly Arts@12+1+2, Dagger Mastery@9+1, Critical Strikes@9+1. That's what you're missing. --GuildofDeals 10:29, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Ok il fix, thanksX14 10:32, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Talk page.... Use it?----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 05:00, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

E/any Hybrid Ward Nuke (talk · rate)

hey, would it be possible if an admin could remove the ratings on the build because the build has undertaken some large changes that greatly affect its performance, and since there is no longer a need for the monk proffession can it be moved to E/any cuz i dont know how to do that. thx in advance ¤ Abadabadoo¤ 07:06, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

I moved the page, but im not an admin. I agree that there needs to be a vote wipe, tho. Build was completely changed. IAm *Jebus* 09:38, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Votes wiped. Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 18:25, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Team- Undead Wrath Farmer (talk · rate)

• Author Requests a vote wipe for its a team build instead of 55 solo. Different skills, different usage etc, and the old way never worked properly.X14 09:50, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Can someone plz look over the votes.?X14 10:26, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Team - Polar Bearway (talk · rate)

Lord Belar should provide some more reason if he is going to rate it 0-0-0. It's obviously not that bad. Godbox 18:01, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Header fail. Lord Belar 18:03, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

It is pretty hard to make a usefull variant of just the bar with ursan blessing O.o --Fox007 05:03, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Anyway, dupes don't make 0-0-0. Shock Axe and Disrupting Axe have nearly the same bars, but I don't see 0-0-0's on them. --GuildofDeals 10:16, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Yeah look at Broad head arrow ranger and Burning Arrow Ranger. EXACT same skills only a different elite yet theyre both greatX14 10:35, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Yeah.... can an admin plz remove Lord's vote. The build is in "good" now because of him.X14 10:37, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

N/Rt Foul Feast Healer (talk · rate)

ChrisRodrigues vote is wrong. The build isn't random, more damage is just good, his example fails and his last comment makes no sense. Godbox 12:54, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 18:19, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

E/Rt Unsteady Warder (talk · rate)

Added Glyph of lesser energy, build has good E management now. Vote whipe plz--The Gates Assassin 21:40, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 21:50, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Rt/any Remedy Restorer (talk · rate)

Zuranthium, Crossfire and Lilondra are all wrong. If we should trash every ritualist build that relies on "only" one spirit we wouldn't have very many of those. See Rt/Mo Warmonger's Support and Rt/any OoS Support Ritualist for examples of great build whom both rely on only one spirit. Dark Morphon's vote could also be elaborated considering his low rating on the different criterion. Godbox 12:02, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Incomparable due to being tagged for different areas. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 12:11, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

The OoS rit is tagged for RA too... Godbox 15:45, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Yes, but the bar is sustainable in the main areas. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 16:21, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Please read my note on this build's talk page. Mainly, notice how this build still has condition removal without a spirit. Yes, OoS is e-management without a spirit, but it gets painful. AR, WoW, and WoR still function completely if Bloodsong is destroyed, and in my experience, most of the time those skills are enough to get through the 30sec recast on Bloodsong. Obviously, a spirit is easier to maintain in PvE, but please explain how a spirit is easier to maintain in TA than in RA, as the OoS build is tagged for TA also. Aikavanak 16:32, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Almost half your bar loses effectiveness without your spirit. And it is more effective in TA because you have an organized team that can deal with your small sac. It's different from saccing in order to heal. In any case, this is for instigating the WoR build, not the OoS build. The OoS is irrelevant in this case. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 16:46, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

I think Zuranthium, Crossfire and Lilondra are right.X14 17:40, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

N/Rt Corrupt Enchantments (talk · rate)

Author vote explains nothingX14 18:48, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. *Defiant Elements* +talk 18:53, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

P/W Focused PvE Paragon (talk · rate)

<5 overall rating. Serious fucking business. --71.229 21:30, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

User:Voidwalker, and User:St. Michael. Their ratings are like OMG Antiarchangel NO U 21:33, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Not really necessary for removal (as was the case with the Shock Axe), but removed nonetheless. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:34, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

A/D Dark Apostasy Scythe (talk · rate)

Moved from Fox Promise Scythe, I feel the old FP ratings should be removed. Dragnmn talk cont 10:35, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

General Coding Issues

Coding refers to any issue or bug that needs to be dealt with by a Server Administrator (Gcardinal or Hhhippo). See resolved issues here. PvXcode related issues have their own section below.

Restoring Votes

The reason for restoring votes never shows up. -Shen 11:29, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Show/Hide

Back in the resolved general coding issues, I mentioned div-frames. They were able to shown or hidden at will. Here is the extension, I think. [10] —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 10:43, 19 February 2008 (EST)

PvXcode Issues

Coding issues related to PvXcode. See also PvXwiki talk:PvXcode. Resolved issues are moved here.

Please do not leave posts about skills not being up to date, we don't change the descriptions.

Seed of Life

Seed of life doesn't seem to be effected by @xx. see here SoL is set @7 (at rank 7 as indicated in the note section) this should make it last 4 seconds, however it still says it lasts 1...5 seconds. PheNaxKian (T/c) 23:15, 21 November 2007 (CET)

That's true of all title-track skills I believe. *Defiant Elements* +talk 23:54, 21 November 2007 (CET)

Not all-i think on the main page there's something down near the bottom about it and it has something to do with the asura title track where @xx works.PheNaxKian (T/c) 23:07, 22 November 2007 (CET)

Cool idea i think

Could we maybe get a bar sayin like Crit rate and DPS on weapon based builds? like for a warr have Crit rate based on wep mastery, and a DPS based on wep attribute. Mehbe not worth it, but useful nonetheless. ~~ frvwfr2 (T/C/Sysop) 02:22, 10 December 2007 (CET)

Would it be like base DPS? I dunno how useful that might be in some builds. Shen(contribs) 02:38, 10 December 2007 (CET)

True... Maybe just crit hit chance then, but that has negligible use except for on Sins, but then they use a lot of crit increasing skills too. Maybe just forget it. ~~ frvwfr2 (T/C/Sysop) 02:42, 10 December 2007 (CET)

I think that would be quite kool, but then you have to think of how to get it only on rangers/warriors/ass. etc. and not jsut casters with a wand -.-. also on the idea of adding things-equipment template code(s) maybe? would mean we don't have to just list it....i think (would have to for PvE builds i guess....)PheNaxKian (T/c) 21:16, 11 December 2007 (CET)

PvE Attributes Counter

It would be nice. Basically the ability to put the PvE rank into the attributes and let it calculate how the skill works. Just my opinion IMO. --GuildofMoses 10:16, 24 December 2007 (EST)

[Skill@1...12], if ever the need arose. One can also click the actual skill. Though it'd be pointless to have a set attribute for such a variable attribute. Should a minimum value be prudent, simply note so. Shen ^{has cookies} 10:22, 24 December 2007 (EST)

That doesn't work properly though, it displays what rank you should be at but it doesn't supply the relevant information, what damage/healing etc. it does it still has the range in.PheNaxKian 13:49, 27 December 2007 (EST)

Perhaps we should also have a system where it shows how many attribute points there are left over, displayed next to the Attributes and Skills section of a build.

Build Template

Would it be possible to add the blank build template on to the toolbar instead of Styles and Formatting-> View Source->Copy->Pasting it? Would be helpful imo.--Victoryisyours (talk/RfA) 17:54, 26 December 2007 (EST)

User:Teh Uber Pwnzer/Template:Blank Build imo. — UberizAwesome 03:09, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Well, we have the Bold text on the toolbar, which all you have to do is put 3 's around the word. And since this is a build site, you might as well have the build template on the toolbar. Victoryisyours (talk/RfA) 20:11, 31 December 2007 (EST)

You mean the toolbar on the editor? Cuz that would actually be pretty awesome. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 02:57, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Yes that one. — Victoryisyours (talk/RfA) 18:30, 8 January 2008 (EST)

That would be pretty awesome. — ( ɔ \ ʇ ) uɐɥʇıǝɹ 10:45, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Keyboard Shortcut

I'm not certain this is the place, but it seems the best place. The Alt-Shift-X shortcut for Random Build no longer works. - Ayumbhara 16:50, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Fixed - Ayumbhara 00:31, 20 February 2008 (EST)

wtf?

On here. Cleaned up when I cleared my cache, but wtf? --71.229 13:06, 28 January 2008 (EST)

wtf? - Rawrawr 21:50, 18 February 2008 (EST)

wtf? — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 21:51, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Armond issue

IDK how. I tested it, and it adds directly to the userpage. --GuildofDeals 19:32, 19 February 2008 (EST)

It's the "NEWEDITSECTION" thing. IDK if he should have that :O --GuildofDeals 19:36, 19 February 2008 (EST)

It's not an error... he has __NEWSECTIONLINK__ at the top of his page which is what's causing that button to appear. *Defiant Elements* +talk 19:39, 19 February 2008 (EST)

May I ask why? Seriously, I personally wouldn't want an easy access point to editing my userpage. --GuildofDeals 19:50, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Then i wonder what the "edit" button is for...— Cheese Slaya (Talk) 21:15, 19 February 2008 (EST)

I asked and he said it was for blogging or something. I mean, it's not like I blog at all... --GuildofDeals 11:45, 23 February 2008 (EST)

W/P Stunning Spearmaster

Shows "Missing skill. Id=1259; Name=gw" at any attempt to save the page or watching it. Godbox 14:05, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Someone hasn't clsoed PvXBig tags, had this problem before(see resolved issues and Team GvG or something like that), think an admin needs to do it (not sure how you edit it when it's like that....), but seen as the issues arised again, can i direct this more at GC or Hippo-could it be made possiable not to save a page unless all Pvxbig tags are closed to prevent this happening again? (or somesort of counter measure)PheNaxKian (T/c) 14:38, 20 February 2008 (EST)

You just need to add &action=edit to the URL bar, and make sure your preferences aren't set to show a preview on the first edit. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 16:04, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Fixed now. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 16:04, 20 February 2008 (EST)

template.php Bug

The script to save the builds has a bug. Some build templates have a '+' in it, like Build:R/Mo_Magebane_Shot_Ranger. The problem with this is that the + is a url escape character for a ' ' space, so the script returns a file with a ' ' where a '+' should be. Fixing this is easy, just urlencode($template) before you write back the file. THC4k 07:22, 21 February 2008 (EST)

I've been meaning to mention that. I hoped someone else would bring it up because i lacked enough savvy to repeat what you said.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 10:09, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Front page

Someone appears to have monumentally fucked it up. Flashing images, some rant about admins, and a huge blown up image of frenzy--Goldenstar 17:05, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Someone vandalized the Featured Builds template. Gone now, clear cache. WTB maximum character limit for edits. --71.229 17:09, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Or WTB Wizardboy changing the way it's set up so people can't do that :P ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 19:05, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Both would be good. Lord Belar 19:13, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Just a thought, but we might want to make sure you can't insert a style sheet into any pages here. If I wanted to wreak havoc myself, I'd make a 5mil char style sheet and insert it into a few dozen pages at once on here. I mean, that's how they trash most servers nowadays when not wanting to go internal. I haven't tried anything with stylesheets, but we should really make sure that that wouldn't be possible. cedave _{(contributions_buildpage)} 04:27, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Extend Conditions

<pvxbig> [Extend Conditions] </pvxbig>

It's missing its end parenthese. --GuildofDeals 15:41, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Yeah, and half the skills have incorrect descriptions because of updates. I don't know if anyone is actually updating that anymore. Lord Belar 17:34, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Well updates are brand new, and there's tons of them this time. Gc is gonna have assloads of fun. --GuildofDeals 17:36, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Gcard doesn't do those updates. That's why they're 3-4 updates behind. Lord Belar 17:41, 6 March 2008 (EST)

who does then? Antiarchangel 21:06, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Pretty sure it's gwshack ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 21:08, 6 March 2008 (EST)

And they happen to suck at it. :/ Lord Belar 21:37, 6 March 2008 (EST)

So anyway we could do it ourselves? Or is it too much code or something? Antiarchangel 17:39, 7 March 2008 (EST)

We just can't. ~~ frvwfr2 (T/C/Sysop) 17:41, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Isn't the issue that Extend Conditions is missing a paranthese? --GuildofDeals 17:48, 7 March 2008 (EST)

And that half the other skills descriptions are outdated. Antiarchangel 18:06, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I believe somewhere that there was mention of developing our own skill database so the community could keep the skill descriptions up to date(though it'd probably be only admins who could edit for various reasons)....PheNaxKian (T/c) 20:01, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Light of Deliverance

It still says it has a 2 second cast time a month after the update. (vĭk'tə-rē ĭz yôrz) 18:47, 8 March 2008 (EST)

once again GWshack's fault, apparently they can't update skill icons for shit. Antiarchangel NO U 18:48, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Sacrifice as cost

<pvxbig>[Offering of Blood]</pvxbig>
Sacrifice cost cannot be seen in the pvxbig template. Skills' descriptions with sacrifice no longer mentions "You sacrifice 20% health.". A sacrifice cost below the energy one should solve the problem. ~ ĐONT*TALK 13:45, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

gwBBcode has not been updated yet. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 13:50, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

Sacrifice costs are showing up (at least for me) at gwshack. This is probably an issue with our extension. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 15:00, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

Or have we DLed the latest from gwshack? B/c GCard said he would add a page taht would DL the latest version... Oh wait. We have the new version. Idk. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   09:00, 14 March 2008 (EDT)