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The Admin noticeboard

There are a number of issues that can only be solved by an Administrator. The Admin noticeboard is one of the means through which users can contact Administrators in order to identify a problem that needs Administrative attention. Although editors are welcome to directly contact particular Administrators, posting on this page instead may be an easier way to let the entire Administrative group know of the issue (which may be particularly helpful since it increases the odds that at least one Administrator will see, and thus be able to respond to, the issue promptly).

There are only a limited number of things for which this page should be used. Many problems can be solved without Administrative intervention, and, thus, this page should be restricted to those issues that actually require an Administrator. Those are: blocking vandals, (un)deleting pages, (un)protecting pages, removing votes (either as per Real Vetting or because the build has been substantially edited), and mediation (only if the situation demands it).

Even in cases of vandalism, posting on this page needn't be the first step (and indeed should not be the first step). If you see vandalism, just go ahead and revert it, anyone has the power to do so. If it's a new article with no safe version to revert back to, tag it for deletion. In both cases you should leave a message in the talk page of that user to make him/her aware of why that kind of edit is unacceptable on PvXwiki. Only post here if that user persists in his/her actions, ignoring the warnings or if the content requires immediate Administrative attention (eg. if the material on the page is so offensive that should be immediately deleted).

(Be careful in case that user repeatedly insists on vandalizing, avoid a revert war; it's far better to temporarily leave the vandalized version of the page up until an admin has a chance to intervene.)

To create a new request: add an item to the bottom of the list below, providing a brief, neutral summary of the issue. As a sign of courtesy, also leave a message on the talk page of any other involved users so they are aware of this discussion. If you are alerting an admin of a vandal, use the {{IP}} template, with the first parameter being the vandal's IP or username. If you are requesting that vote(s) be removed, please use the {{Build}} template, with the first parameter being the build's name.

Please place new requests at the bottom of the corresponding issues heading.

General Issues

General issues include (un)deleting pages, (un)protecting pages, banning vandals, and moderating serious disputes. This section may also be used for miscellaneous issues as well as Administrative announcements. See resolved issues here.

Conformation E-mail bug

I can't get my conformation e-mail and im sure what to do, i've tried different e-mails and it still won't appear. What should i do?--Lord of Destruction 16:53, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Just try to rate something. IDK you need a comformation e-mail. --GuildofDeals 17:23, 28 February 2008 (EST)

What email provider are you using? Becuase if it's aol, try uninstalling aol, because aol is a virus. Also, try adding admin@pvxwiki.com to your contacts list. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:59, 28 February 2008 (EST)

Ok I do have aol but I'm at school right now and I'll try it when i get home thanks--Lord of Destruction 07:30, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Im having the same problem. someone PLEEZ HELP MAÌmmφrτalìs αnìmµs a Kìεsτ (talk/pvxcontribs) 18:08, 29 February 2008 (EST)

It's really a bug. I made a new account and a new email address; got a confirmation email from GWW just fine, couldn't get one from pvx no matter what I did. No amount of clicking "send confirmation" made it come. -Auron 04:33, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

same. I just put my new e-mail addres on and never got confrimation.-- aesthetic

Bump? this is rly annoying not to vote/see votes.-- aesthetic

Idk, but it'd be great to sign w/ 4 ~'s instead of just 3... Then we can see the date. That is really Gcard and Hhhipos thing though. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   14:07, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Check Junk Folder. — ク Eloc 貢 18:11, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

thats been checked to many times, its a problem w/ the sight.-- aesthetic 20:00, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Amy Awien (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Five violations of NPA ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5]), three of which were directed at administrators trying to resolve a dispute and at least one of which came after being warned, violation of the spirit of both PvX:DIS and PvX:DICK. --Some Anonymous Coward

Last two links do not appear to be violations of NPA, while others are mild. Could use second opinion. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 18:31, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

I like to give opinions, although it really doesn't matter as I have no admin stuff (/cough, /cough) but honestly, it seems to all be a misunderstanding of the word "nigger" on PvX as a joke rather than a racial slur. It was probably just dragged out a little too far on both ends. --GuildofDeals 18:33, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

I give everyone permission to NPA me since I'm such an asshole, so it's cool. — Skakid 18:34, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

One through four are directed at actions, not persons. Why did you not see that yourself, too eager perhaps? Amy Awien 19:10, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Stop trolling. Thanks. -Auron 21:53, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

You have some nerve, I am trolling? What is this? Amy Awien 04:00, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

You're being overtly hostile to everyone and everything that isn't aligned with your personal morals and opinions, even when we go out of our way to avoid responding in kind. Thus, trolling. --71.229 04:10, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Super Igor (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Repeated NPA all over the site, such as here and here. Also refuses to change signature although requested. Rawrawr 15:40, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

True. He's being a prick altogether. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 15:41, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Also, DIS and DICK. Seems to be a recurring theme on the AN. --71.229 15:43, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

now see why on the Ranger HM raptor farm talk page. --Super Igor 15:43, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

At least he changed his sig. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 15:44, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Okay, less debating, more letting admin decide. --GuildofDeals 15:45, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

This is obviously not a "one-person" thing. Stop provoking him, and straight up your act, the lot of you. There's a line between being funny and being retarded/trolling. I'd prefer to not have to draw it out for you (probably using blocks).

That being said, carry on and don't provoke a rude comment from a user, then whine on the AN about that rude comment. Whining on your user talk pages is fine, but don't drag unnecessarily amounts of people into your "crisis". — Rapta (talk|contribs) 16:35, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

I hate to countermand you Rapta, but he's been given fair warning, and while others users have been provoking him to some extent, the two that I warned, GoD and Godliest, have at least (apparently) cleaned up their act somewhat, while Igor continues to go out of his way to provoke other users (eg. rudely inserting himself into conversations). If nothing else, he needs to take a break from PvX and reassert his priorities, so I'm going to ban him for 2 days. If you disagree with the decision, feel free to contact me on MSN. However, for all the other people who've been involved, provoked him, whatever, consider this a last warning (even if you haven't specifically been warned before now). *Defiant Elements* +talk 17:32, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Actually, I was only pointing out that the situation was not solely regarding one disruptive individual. The issued block is fine. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:39, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Yeah. Definitely not. *Defiant Elements* +talk 17:40, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Build-Specific Issues

Build-Specific refers to any issue pertaining to the removal of votes, usually resolved by a Build Master or Administrator. See resolved issues here.

If you wish to dispute another user's vote, it is advised to do so on the build's talk page. This section of the noticeboard is intended to notify Admins or Build Masters of issues that can be speedily resolved (e.g. factually incorrect votes) or issues in need of mediation. Avoid debating builds or votes here.

Note: If applicable, please identify specific votes to improve admin response time.

D/Mo Shield of Judgment UW Solo (talk · rate)

Please take a look at Riff's vote, as it is incorrect. - (är'tə-mĭs gōld'brănd)[snō hwīt tăn] 18:28, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Can you please elaborate on that? Riff took the time to elabrate on his/her rating in each section, so there should be at least an elaborate reason refuting it. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 00:06, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Riff gives it a low score saying Nightmares pop-ups always ruins the runs. This is incorrect. Look at both the usage section of the article and the talk page. He has also misunderstood the difference between Effectiveness and Universality, giving Effectiveness a low score because of Nightmares. Same goes for Matti Nuke, as he said "See Riff's comment." - (ză'rē'năs thĕ shăd'ō)[snō hwīt tăn] 22:43, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

A/R Promise Assassin PvE (talk · rate)

Various unexplained votes with ratings that are not reflective of the actual build (User:PvXJing in particular). — Rapta (talk|contribs) 20:06, 5 March 2008 (EST)

Gone. -Shen 20:31, 5 March 2008 (EST)

GoD's vote. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 14:47, 8 March 2008 (EST)

WTB third opinion as per APPEAL. -Shen 11:33, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Team- Undead Wrath Farmer (talk · rate)

• Author Requests a vote wipe for its a team build instead of 55 solo. Different skills, different usage etc, and the old way never worked properly.X14 09:50, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Can someone plz look over the votes.?X14 10:26, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Rt/any Remedy Restorer (talk · rate)

Zuranthium, Crossfire and Lilondra are all wrong. If we should trash every ritualist build that relies on "only" one spirit we wouldn't have very many of those. See Rt/Mo Warmonger's Support and Rt/any OoS Support Ritualist for examples of great build whom both rely on only one spirit. Dark Morphon's vote could also be elaborated considering his low rating on the different criterion. Godbox 12:02, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Incomparable due to being tagged for different areas. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 12:11, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

The OoS rit is tagged for RA too... Godbox 15:45, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Yes, but the bar is sustainable in the main areas. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 16:21, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Please read my note on this build's talk page. Mainly, notice how this build still has condition removal without a spirit. Yes, OoS is e-management without a spirit, but it gets painful. AR, WoW, and WoR still function completely if Bloodsong is destroyed, and in my experience, most of the time those skills are enough to get through the 30sec recast on Bloodsong. Obviously, a spirit is easier to maintain in PvE, but please explain how a spirit is easier to maintain in TA than in RA, as the OoS build is tagged for TA also. Aikavanak 16:32, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Almost half your bar loses effectiveness without your spirit. And it is more effective in TA because you have an organized team that can deal with your small sac. It's different from saccing in order to heal. In any case, this is for instigating the WoR build, not the OoS build. The OoS is irrelevant in this case. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 16:46, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

I think Zuranthium, Crossfire and Lilondra are right.X14 17:40, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

N/any General Bomber (talk · rate)

Why was this deleted? If any, it should be the variants to this build that should've been deleted, 'cause it couldn't get more general than that. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 03:30, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

It appears that it was moved to here since the deletion log shows that the content was merely a redirect. *Defiant Elements* +talk 14:45, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Oh okay, thanks! :) ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 02:19, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

A/R Sundering Assassin (talk · rate)

Vote wipe is needed. Votes talk about A. the elite, which is now different, and B. Sundering/ Penetrating which are no longer in the build.X14 18:59, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

N/Rt Animate Splinter (talk · rate)

Bob's rating is just wrong. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 19:14, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

It is. Minions are giant walls, and nothing produces them better than Animate Bone Minions. Jagged Bones just keeps the wall up longer and beefs them up. --GuildofDeals 20:12, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Removed. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   20:13, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

W/D "Victory is Mine" Scythe (talk · rate)

I think people went a bit crazy with voting here. Everyone except me either 0-0-0'd or 5-5-5'd. It's in trash right now, but I suspect vote balancing. One vote even expresses a desire to not have 2.5 rated builds on the wiki that no one is going to use anyway. I'm thinking about switching the build to a Dervish primary and getting people to revote, but it hardly seems worth it if no one is taking voting seriously anyway, including the author. Even if I don't do a rewrite, it probably needs a vote wipe(Well almost, I think my vote is ok naturally). At least the author vote and the "We don't want 2.5 rated builds" votes probably need to go. Voting needs to mean something if people are going to take the vetting process seriously. Misery 04:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

The 0-0-0 votes are valid. The 5-5-5 votes could be struck, but there's no real point seeing how the build is already trashed. -- Scottie_theNerd (argue/criticise/complain) 06:26, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

N/Rt Foul Feast Healer (talk · rate)

ChrisRodrigues vote is still wrong. The most rits play a hybrid role and just because you deal damage doesn't mean you have to focus 100% on it, you can still keep focus on the healing. Apart from that the vote now contains an attack against me too, which hardly has anything with the build to do. His vote was wrong before and it still is, the only difference is that now he's wrong and attacking me. Godbox 04:55, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Removed. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   06:33, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Team - Invoke Spike (talk · rate)

Requesting a vote whipe as i'm planning on moving it back to trial and updating it to the current HA meta--Goldenstar 08:25, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Archive the current one maybe? Move it to Build:Team - Invoke Spike/Archive I think... Then just remake it. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:46, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

R/any Prepared Concussion Ranger (talk · rate)

Both votes refer to Marksman's Wager, which no longer is in the build. Vote whipe/removal requested. Godbox 10:45, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Votes wiped. -- Scottie_theNerd (argue/criticise/complain) 12:17, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

Ty scottieX14 12:18, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

GoD and Master Gladius compare this to BHA too much. They dont know BHA's Downtime (Very slow and long recharge)X14 16:33, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

General Coding Issues

Coding refers to any issue or bug that needs to be dealt with by a Server Administrator (Gcardinal or Hhhippo). See resolved issues here. PvXcode related issues have their own section below.

Restoring Votes

The reason for restoring votes never shows up. -Shen 11:29, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Show/Hide

Back in the resolved general coding issues, I mentioned div-frames. They were able to shown or hidden at will. Here is the extension, I think. [6] —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 10:43, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Edit: it definitely is. I tested it on my personal wiki. —ǥrɩɳsɧƴɖɩđđɭɘş 16:59, 28 March 2008 (EDT)

PvXcode Issues

Coding issues related to PvXcode. See also PvXwiki talk:PvXcode. Resolved issues are moved here.

Please do not leave posts about skills not being up to date, we don't change the descriptions.

Seed of Life

Seed of life doesn't seem to be effected by @xx. see here SoL is set @7 (at rank 7 as indicated in the note section) this should make it last 4 seconds, however it still says it lasts 1...5 seconds. PheNaxKian (T/c) 23:15, 21 November 2007 (CET)

That's true of all title-track skills I believe. *Defiant Elements* +talk 23:54, 21 November 2007 (CET)

Not all-i think on the main page there's something down near the bottom about it and it has something to do with the asura title track where @xx works.PheNaxKian (T/c) 23:07, 22 November 2007 (CET)

Cool idea i think

Could we maybe get a bar sayin like Crit rate and DPS on weapon based builds? like for a warr have Crit rate based on wep mastery, and a DPS based on wep attribute. Mehbe not worth it, but useful nonetheless. ~~ frvwfr2 (T/C/Sysop) 02:22, 10 December 2007 (CET)

Would it be like base DPS? I dunno how useful that might be in some builds. Shen(contribs) 02:38, 10 December 2007 (CET)

True... Maybe just crit hit chance then, but that has negligible use except for on Sins, but then they use a lot of crit increasing skills too. Maybe just forget it. ~~ frvwfr2 (T/C/Sysop) 02:42, 10 December 2007 (CET)

I think that would be quite kool, but then you have to think of how to get it only on rangers/warriors/ass. etc. and not jsut casters with a wand -.-. also on the idea of adding things-equipment template code(s) maybe? would mean we don't have to just list it....i think (would have to for PvE builds i guess....)PheNaxKian (T/c) 21:16, 11 December 2007 (CET)

PvE Attributes Counter

It would be nice. Basically the ability to put the PvE rank into the attributes and let it calculate how the skill works. Just my opinion IMO. --GuildofMoses 10:16, 24 December 2007 (EST)

[Skill@1...12], if ever the need arose. One can also click the actual skill. Though it'd be pointless to have a set attribute for such a variable attribute. Should a minimum value be prudent, simply note so. Shen ^{has cookies} 10:22, 24 December 2007 (EST)

That doesn't work properly though, it displays what rank you should be at but it doesn't supply the relevant information, what damage/healing etc. it does it still has the range in.PheNaxKian 13:49, 27 December 2007 (EST)

Perhaps we should also have a system where it shows how many attribute points there are left over, displayed next to the Attributes and Skills section of a build.

Build Template

Would it be possible to add the blank build template on to the toolbar instead of Styles and Formatting-> View Source->Copy->Pasting it? Would be helpful imo.--Victoryisyours (talk/RfA) 17:54, 26 December 2007 (EST)

User:Teh Uber Pwnzer/Template:Blank Build imo. — UberizAwesome 03:09, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Well, we have the Bold text on the toolbar, which all you have to do is put 3 's around the word. And since this is a build site, you might as well have the build template on the toolbar. Victoryisyours (talk/RfA) 20:11, 31 December 2007 (EST)

You mean the toolbar on the editor? Cuz that would actually be pretty awesome. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 02:57, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Yes that one. — Victoryisyours (talk/RfA) 18:30, 8 January 2008 (EST)

That would be pretty awesome. — ( ɔ \ ʇ ) uɐɥʇıǝɹ 10:45, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Keyboard Shortcut

I'm not certain this is the place, but it seems the best place. The Alt-Shift-X shortcut for Random Build no longer works. - Ayumbhara 16:50, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Fixed - Ayumbhara 00:31, 20 February 2008 (EST)

wtf?

On here. Cleaned up when I cleared my cache, but wtf? --71.229 13:06, 28 January 2008 (EST)

wtf? - Rawrawr 21:50, 18 February 2008 (EST)

wtf? — Skadiddly[슴Mc슴]Diddles 21:51, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Armond issue

IDK how. I tested it, and it adds directly to the userpage. --GuildofDeals 19:32, 19 February 2008 (EST)

It's the "NEWEDITSECTION" thing. IDK if he should have that :O --GuildofDeals 19:36, 19 February 2008 (EST)

It's not an error... he has __NEWSECTIONLINK__ at the top of his page which is what's causing that button to appear. *Defiant Elements* +talk 19:39, 19 February 2008 (EST)

May I ask why? Seriously, I personally wouldn't want an easy access point to editing my userpage. --GuildofDeals 19:50, 19 February 2008 (EST)

Then i wonder what the "edit" button is for...— Cheese Slaya (Talk) 21:15, 19 February 2008 (EST)

I asked and he said it was for blogging or something. I mean, it's not like I blog at all... --GuildofDeals 11:45, 23 February 2008 (EST)

W/P Stunning Spearmaster

Shows "Missing skill. Id=1259; Name=gw" at any attempt to save the page or watching it. Godbox 14:05, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Someone hasn't clsoed PvXBig tags, had this problem before(see resolved issues and Team GvG or something like that), think an admin needs to do it (not sure how you edit it when it's like that....), but seen as the issues arised again, can i direct this more at GC or Hippo-could it be made possiable not to save a page unless all Pvxbig tags are closed to prevent this happening again? (or somesort of counter measure)PheNaxKian (T/c) 14:38, 20 February 2008 (EST)

You just need to add &action=edit to the URL bar, and make sure your preferences aren't set to show a preview on the first edit. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 16:04, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Fixed now. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 16:04, 20 February 2008 (EST)

template.php Bug

The script to save the builds has a bug. Some build templates have a '+' in it, like Build:R/Mo_Magebane_Shot_Ranger. The problem with this is that the + is a url escape character for a ' ' space, so the script returns a file with a ' ' where a '+' should be. Fixing this is easy, just urlencode($template) before you write back the file. THC4k 07:22, 21 February 2008 (EST)

I've been meaning to mention that. I hoped someone else would bring it up because i lacked enough savvy to repeat what you said.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 10:09, 25 February 2008 (EST)

Front page

Someone appears to have monumentally fucked it up. Flashing images, some rant about admins, and a huge blown up image of frenzy--Goldenstar 17:05, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Someone vandalized the Featured Builds template. Gone now, clear cache. WTB maximum character limit for edits. --71.229 17:09, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Or WTB Wizardboy changing the way it's set up so people can't do that :P ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 19:05, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Both would be good. Lord Belar 19:13, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Just a thought, but we might want to make sure you can't insert a style sheet into any pages here. If I wanted to wreak havoc myself, I'd make a 5mil char style sheet and insert it into a few dozen pages at once on here. I mean, that's how they trash most servers nowadays when not wanting to go internal. I haven't tried anything with stylesheets, but we should really make sure that that wouldn't be possible. cedave _{(contributions_buildpage)} 04:27, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Extend Conditions

<pvxbig> [Extend Conditions] </pvxbig>

It's missing its end parenthese. --GuildofDeals 15:41, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Yeah, and half the skills have incorrect descriptions because of updates. I don't know if anyone is actually updating that anymore. Lord Belar 17:34, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Well updates are brand new, and there's tons of them this time. Gc is gonna have assloads of fun. --GuildofDeals 17:36, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Gcard doesn't do those updates. That's why they're 3-4 updates behind. Lord Belar 17:41, 6 March 2008 (EST)

who does then? Antiarchangel 21:06, 6 March 2008 (EST)

Pretty sure it's gwshack ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 21:08, 6 March 2008 (EST)

And they happen to suck at it. :/ Lord Belar 21:37, 6 March 2008 (EST)

So anyway we could do it ourselves? Or is it too much code or something? Antiarchangel 17:39, 7 March 2008 (EST)

We just can't. ~~ frvwfr2 (T/C/Sysop) 17:41, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Isn't the issue that Extend Conditions is missing a paranthese? --GuildofDeals 17:48, 7 March 2008 (EST)

And that half the other skills descriptions are outdated. Antiarchangel 18:06, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I believe somewhere that there was mention of developing our own skill database so the community could keep the skill descriptions up to date(though it'd probably be only admins who could edit for various reasons)....PheNaxKian (T/c) 20:01, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Light of Deliverance

It still says it has a 2 second cast time a month after the update. (vĭk'tə-rē ĭz yôrz) 18:47, 8 March 2008 (EST)

once again GWshack's fault, apparently they can't update skill icons for shit. Antiarchangel NO U 18:48, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Sacrifice as cost

<pvxbig>[Offering of Blood]</pvxbig>
Sacrifice cost cannot be seen in the pvxbig template. Skills' descriptions with sacrifice no longer mentions "You sacrifice 20% health.". A sacrifice cost below the energy one should solve the problem. ~ ĐONT*TALK 13:45, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

gwBBcode has not been updated yet. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 13:50, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

Sacrifice costs are showing up (at least for me) at gwshack. This is probably an issue with our extension. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 15:00, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

Or have we DLed the latest from gwshack? B/c GCard said he would add a page taht would DL the latest version... Oh wait. We have the new version. Idk. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   09:00, 14 March 2008 (EDT)