PvXwiki:Admin noticeboard

The Admin noticeboard

There are a number of issues that can only be solved by an Administrator. The Admin noticeboard is one of the means through which users can contact Administrators in order to identify a problem that needs Administrative attention. Although editors are welcome to directly contact particular Administrators, posting on this page instead may be an easier way to let the entire Administrative group know of the issue (which may be particularly helpful since it increases the odds that at least one Administrator will see, and thus be able to respond to, the issue promptly).

There are only a limited number of things for which this page should be used. Many problems can be solved without Administrative intervention, and, thus, this page should be restricted to those issues that actually require an Administrator. Those are: blocking vandals, (un)deleting pages, (un)protecting pages, removing votes (either as per Real Vetting or because the build has been substantially edited), and mediation (only if the situation demands it).

Even in cases of vandalism, posting on this page needn't be the first step (and indeed should not be the first step). If you see vandalism, just go ahead and revert it, anyone has the power to do so. If it's a new article with no safe version to revert back to, tag it for deletion. In both cases you should leave a message in the talk page of that user to make him/her aware of why that kind of edit is unacceptable on PvXwiki. Only post here if that user persists in his/her actions, ignoring the warnings or if the content requires immediate Administrative attention (eg. if the material on the page is so offensive that should be immediately deleted).

(Be careful in case that user repeatedly insists on vandalizing, avoid a revert war; it's far better to temporarily leave the vandalized version of the page up until an admin has a chance to intervene.)

To create a new request: add an item to the bottom of the list below, providing a brief, neutral summary of the issue. As a sign of courtesy, also leave a message on the talk page of any other involved users so they are aware of this discussion. If you are alerting an admin of a vandal, use the {{IP}} template, with the first parameter being the vandal's IP or username. If you are requesting that vote(s) be removed, please use the {{Build}} template, with the first parameter being the build's name.

Note that this is not a talk page and that the respective moderators of each section reserve the right to remove non-administrative comments without discussion.

Please place new requests at the bottom of the corresponding issues heading.

General Issues

General problems, such as user conduct, vandalism, and bans. Also, suggestions can be posted here. All can be resolved by an Administrator. See resolved General Issues here.

Alphawolf0019 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Probably a sock. --- Ressmonkey (talk) 15:02, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Dealt with. *Defiant Elements* +talk 21:26, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

69.208.115.248 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Vandalizing my userpage, generally harassing and flaming me across the wiki. Selket Shadowdancer 02:53, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Also I moved the unnessacary flaming from the FFF article to his talk page. Rubbish goes in the trash I believe? Selket Shadowdancer 03:26, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 23:01, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

AJones (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Consistently wiping the Sandbox despite numerous warnings from Rawr and I. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 22:29, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 23:00, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

Jaguar (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Brian avoiding ban, see Build talk: Mo/Me Echo Smiter. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 18:33, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 18:36, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

98.14.27.3 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

And probably aka Rangi (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log), 1RV and whatever else yall can think of on Team_-_GvG_Hex_Pressure (talk · rate). --Mafaraxas (talk) 08:15, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

It is Rangi. --Tab Moo 08:16, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 08:27, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Meowcat22 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Another terrible shitter vandalising Build:Team - GvG Hex Pressure. --Tab Moo 08:43, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Might as well get 98.194.12.94 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log) while you're at it. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 09:07, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

The warning is sufficient at the moment. The IP has been blocked along with User:Rangi. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 09:11, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

IP is still parading around. Apparently it wasn't blocked. --*Wah Wah Wah!* 09:43, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Ah right, I confused it with User:98.14.27.3. However no vandalous edits were made by User:98.194.12.94 neither sockpuppetry can be proved. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 12:17, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Karate Jesus (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Violation of PvX:1RV on Build:R/Me_Extended_Concussion_Sniper on voting; NPA against myself; refusal to let go of debated issue and general disruption to dialogue on Build_talk:R/Me_Extended_Concussion_Sniper. Warnings have been given and flaunted. Requesting third-party to review case. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 11:57, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Yay! I made the admin board lol. Karate Jesus 11:58, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

This was done in the interests of maintaining third-party neutrality and following protocol. User has clearly demonstrated that he has no intention of ceasing his antisocial behaviour, and I have proceeded with the block. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 12:00, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Moloch (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

This may be a case of me being a paranoid asshat, but I highly suspect him of socking with this guy who randomly showed up and agreed with him for his first contributions. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 21:21, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Nope. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 21:26, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Nope as in I'm not a paranoid asshat or nope as in he isn't a sock? — Teh Uber Pwnzer 21:27, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

No to both. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 21:33, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Actually I'm not even exactly aware of the exact definition of a "sock". Moloch 20:21, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

An account created by a user with an already existing account, usually to agree with said users contributions or to vote twice on a build. Ojamo Tell Me I Fail 20:23, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Build-Specific Issues

Build-Specific refers to any issue pertaining to the removal of votes, usually resolved by a Build Master or Administrator. See resolved issues here.

If you wish to dispute another user's vote, it is advised to do so on the build's talk page. This section of the noticeboard is intended to notify Admins or Build Masters of issues that can be speedily resolved (e.g. factually incorrect votes) or issues in need of mediation. Avoid debating builds or votes here.

Note: If applicable, please identify specific votes to improve admin response time.

N/Rt Portable Cannon Healer (talk · rate)

Most of these votes need to be removed. Voters seem to be under the impression that this is some sort of MM build when it is clearly a support healer with utility offense. I'm not saying this is the greatest build in existence, but its not terrible, and it deserves fair votes from competent players. --Coloneh 13:30, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Opinions are valid and the debate is still ongoing. There is no need to remove any votes at this stage. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 00:11, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

many of the voters obviously fail to grasp the concept of the build. their current votes should be removed until they understand the build, then they can re-vote; even if their votes are still low.--24.183.42.77 03:30, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Many of the voters disagree with the concept of the build. No arbitrary removal of votes is required. There is a majority opposition against the build and forcing a re-vote is unlikely to make a difference to public opinion. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 07:53, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Im offended that you obviously didn't even look at the votes on the build. Shadowsin and Selket Shadowdancer (fre example) are obviously unaware that this is a hybrid build. are you telling me that votes that are clearly for an entirely different build should stay on the votes page?--Coloneh 17:32, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

It doesn't really make a difference. Those votes have valid points that were expressed more on the talk page. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:35, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

W/P Javilineer (talk · rate)

Terrible, nay utterly stupid votes. None of the voters seem to understand what the build is intended for, nor do they seem to get that GvG != RA != TA != CM. I don't imply that this particular build is supreme, but that it is exceedingly capable at its intended format. - 68.229.250.165 15:14, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

Their opinions are valid unless you explain otherwise on the build Talk page. This isn't the place to complain about other people. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 00:07, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

A/E Shocksin (talk · rate)

votes and complaints on talk page of build. if i'm smoking shit just shoot me down, but in my experience it's been a very effective pressure/utility build.--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 00:43, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Dialogue must take place before arbitration takes place. Posting "complaints" on the talk page and a notice here isn't different from complaining here. Discuss first. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 01:10, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

"posted complaints" yesterday and no one responded.--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 01:12, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

1 day isn't really that much. Wait a bit longer. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 01:15, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

'k--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 01:15, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

ok. i've talked to everyone involved on their talk pages. no one wants to change. if i'm smoking shit, nix my vote and i'll shut up about it. but i would appreciate an admin's opinion.--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 22:44, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

While not everyone involved has taken a constructive role in the dialogue, their opinions are nonetheless within the bounds of reasonable opposition, and their votes are therefore valid. You are free to request a third opinion if this is unacceptable to you. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 00:01, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

the votes do not align with my experience with the build. if anyone wants to take another look at it, i would be appreciative.--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 00:13, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Votes don't have to align with your experience, just as your experience doesn't have to align with anyone else's. That's a weak reason to request vote removal and/or third opinion. Other people's comments are no less valid than yours, and in some cases may have a wider perspective than what you alone may have. I used to think that Punishing-Distracting-Savage triple interrupt was the best thing a ranger could do, and I made it work very well, but there was a significant opposition to the idea -- and for good reason. You have voiced your disagreements, but you have not provided solid evidence to warrant the removal of the votes, and your reasoning is becoming weaker. I'm content with letting another admin/BM review this case, but in future this sort of request would be summarily overruled due to its self-centred nature. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 00:26, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

all right, how's this: i believe that the strong combination of high pressure damage, DW spam, and on-demand KD's create a very effective pressure character whose efficacy in the stated areas is flagrantly misrepresented by the majority of the votes, which either complain about lack of damage on a 300 damage chain with 4r and more importantly DW spam, ludicrously compare an arenas pressure build to a GvG ganker, fail completely to grasp the utility of on-demand KD, or believe that shock is to be spammed. while i readily admit to being over-protective of my builds (one of the reasons i hardly ever submit any, and rarely if ever move to testing), i honestly believe that the votes are in serious error and would request that they be reviewed/removed by an admin. that's as strong as i can make the argument. now i am done, and will abide by whatever decision is rendered.--reason.decrystallized Shock is a costly interrupt. 00:39, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

I agree. While the build is not 5-5-5 material, it is definitely not 1-1-0 either. When in RA, chaining two nearly unstoppable KDs and spamming high damage attacks when you have half competent team that will follow calls almost always kills. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 01:31, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

(RI)This is not the place to discuss the build. Please do so on the Build talk page. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 03:09, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

I have removed two votes due to lack of clear reasoning and elaboration. The two remaining votes are, to my interpretation, valid criticisms of the build and consistent in rating. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 03:19, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

I concur. I also like talking on the admin noticeboard. rąʂKƴɖooƿɭɘş 05:00, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Me/any Wastrel's Vision Spike (talk · rate)

Moved back into Trial, requries vote wipe. I is *Jebus*Enter my contest! 12:50, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:36, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

N/E Life Transfer Alliance Battle Hexer (talk · rate)

Build has been substantially changed and is still a work in progress, requesting vote wipe, input (possible changes) and revoting. Moloch 20:21, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 20:23, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

P/E Conjured Fury (talk · rate)

One vote by User:Archer_Brick is all zero's and far out of reality compared to other voters. For example, he indicated there are useless skills and no synergy, when its clear in the build that each skill has its purpose and 4 of the 7 skills synergize well. Feedback left on user's page. Please consider removing this vote. Thanks. -Veraci 20:27, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Vote removed. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 23:06, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Thanks Scottie. I've reviewed the additional ratings and feedback and have reworked the bar. Also moved it back to Testing, so if the ratings can be wiped I'd appreciate it. -Veraci 15:01, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

D/N Orders Flagger (talk · rate)

There have been some major changes to GvG, so the votes might need a look at, because the viability of the build might have changed since. There are a lot of other builds left that may need some review for the same reasons. ــмıкεнaшк 20:54, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

Please tag those builds with the appropriate templates and keep this kind of discussion on the build's talk page. — Rapta (talk|contribs) 23:35, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

A/D Heavy promise (talk · rate)

No reason to well it. It isn't a dupe cause half the build is diffrent and it isn't inferior i would say since the other build has no IAS and cripple and thats needed in PVP if you're melee (thats also the reason why some of the other melee builds i made got bad rated since they didn't had those things. Its a bit strange to me why that build which don't have those would be better now then my build which has them.)robertjan 05:36, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

The Crit Wounder has IMS/Mobility (Dash/Shadow Walk), IAS (by using the fast attacks), Blind Immunity (Assa's Remedy). Granted, it lacks a snare. --› Srs Beans R Srs 05:40, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Mine has also Assassin's Remedy now so that leaves that his build hasn't cripple and mine has. So it isn't that inferion adn its not a dupe so what is it? Cause i prefer cripple above teleport which gives 1 sec disable :Probertjan 06:17, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Variants are good. --Frosty 06:24, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Why didn't you do that with http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:W/D_Enduring_Scythe_PvP instead of making http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:W/D_Enduring_Damage_Scythe then? You only had to give it a stance skill and it was done but because that GoD didn't want that you just placed the original build in archive....I say if this build is inferior to the excisting one the excisting one needs to be archived like you did with other builds like the enduring one...robertjan 06:37, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Team - GvG Smiting Heroway (talk · rate)

The users voting low seem to have a grudge against the build for being lame. —SkaKid 11:24, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Ye. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   11:52, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

R/N Expert's Dexterity Turret (talk · rate)

Vote whipe+deletion. Its a dupe of a build i made 7 days before it. My build was in trail and only one skill is diffrent. This guy copied, changed 1 skill with the second prof and just placed it in testing. I placed my verion in testing now and this one in dupe since my build has the rights to recieve votes (because it took me time to make it). I have also builds that where in testing, but where delted because there was already one made before in trail so now its his turn :Probertjan 04:26, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

General Coding Issues

Coding refers to any issue or bug that needs to be dealt with by a Server Administrator (Gcardinal or Hhhippo). See resolved issues here. PvXcode related issues have their own section below.

RealVetting Updated

I made the following changes to the rating extension:

• Users who don't fulfill the requirements for voting can now see the existing votes in read-only mode, together with a message explaining why they can't vote. In particular, anonymous users can view the votes.
• Innovation was changed to a checkbox. It is displayed as 'O' or 'X' for each user's vote and as a percentage value in the totals. The weighting was not changed.

Comments and test results are welcome on my talk page. – HHHIPPO ‹sysop› 17:48, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Rating Page Lock

We need a way to lock rating pages from additions and removals(Like a page protection). Also useful for archived builds, to keep the rating page unchanged. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:53, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Recent Changes

The RSS and Atom feeds don't work. ¬ Klumpeet 15:45, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Sort Function

This is a perfect example of this function. Not sure what we could use it for, but we could find some use... Sort builds by Effect/Univ/Inno maybe? If we ever get that function. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   20:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Trial Builds

Is there a reason a huge number of them aren't showing up in Special:GraceExpired? — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:26, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Changing the vlink Attribute

I've tried about every combination/position I can think of. Is it possible to change the color of vlinks on the wiki? ChoytW [POND] 17:28, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

i'd assume you'd have to alter your monobook.css...(i'm assuming Vlinks are the [[gww:]]and[[gw:]])

He's talking about the "visited" property of a link. He wants to change the website's default color of a link that you've visited to some other color for a selection of specific links. - PANIC! sexiness! 20:01, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Visited links' color can be changed only by CSS. So you have to change your monobook (User:username/monobook.css). Add the following entry:

a:visited {
	color: #660099;
}

Use color of your choice. Note that the changes will be seen only by you and applies to all links. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 00:22, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

Using #ifeq

Can we use that function here? If so, I have some questions concerning how I'm trying to implement it. €╠╣Ω¥†\_╩/ ∞ [ÞΩ┌┐Ð] 21:12, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

Ok...I got #ifeq to work, but only by removing the conditional code and putting it on its own template and including it into the original template. This works when I don't want it to show up, but when I do, none of the formatting is carrying over to the part which is a template inside a template. Is it because it is twice removed or is there a work-around (I even tried something like {{{PAGENAME}}}.variable lol). I appreciate any help I get with this. €╠╣Ω¥†\_╩/ ∞ [ÞΩ┌┐Ð] 22:51, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

it has been two days...so figured it was time for a bump. If someone knows who to ask on their talk, please pass it along. Thanks €╠╣Ω¥†\_╩/ ∞ [ÞΩ┌┐Ð] 20:31, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Hhhippo or GCard are probably the right people - But GCard hasn't been on in a while, and Hhhippo usually checks the noticeboard. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   20:33, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Question: Are you using it correctly? It seems to be working. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 01:47, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

If you would like, you can take a look at the history here I stopped using it until I can get it fixed. The difficulty seemed to happen when I tried to use the value for a variable on the inclusion page to get something to show up. If you want a more detailed explanation, feel free to drop a message on my talk. €╠╣Ω¥†\_╩/ ∞ [ÞΩ┌┐Ð] 15:20, 14 August 2008 (EDT)

Ifeq should be working, never had problems with it. I didn't check in detail what you did, but it might be connected to using several templates calling each other, with more than one parameter each. Then the parser loses the overview on which argument goes to which template. It's not a proper programming language, it's just wikicode, so don't expect too much... – HHHIPPO ‹sysop› 03:34, 15 August 2008 (EDT)

moved to HHHIPPO's talk page. All help is welcome (I think I still have some ectos in game which I'll give all I have to whoever can find a solution lol) €╠╣Ω¥†\_╩/ ∞ [ÞΩ┌┐Ð] 20:51, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

PvXcode Issues

Coding issues related to PvXcode. See also PvXwiki talk:PvXcode. Resolved issues are moved here.

Please do not leave posts about skills not being up to date, we don't change the descriptions.

Dash and Expertise

Expertise doesn't reduce the energy cost of dash. See Build:R/A Exhausting Assault Ranger|here. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:48, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Expertise isn't meant to reduce energy cost of Dash (see what expertise effects; Ranger skills, attack skills, touch skills and binding rituals). /FrosTalk\ 18:01, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

That's... wow. They changed it back in October of 2006, and I never noticed XD I still thought it affected all non-spell skills :P ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 19:06, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

"For each rank of Expertise, the Energy cost of all of your attacks, Rituals, touch skills and Rangers skills are decreased by 4%." Just FYI, from GWW. --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 19:14, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

An admin that's two years out of date, you need an update :P /FrosTalk\ 21:18, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

The funny thing is, I probably would have noticed if my suggestion below was implemented :P ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 23:31, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Ironic or what ;) /FrosTalk\ 23:34, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Mouse-over Attribute descriptions

Would it be possible to have mousing over an attribute display the in-game description of that attribute? ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:48, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I agree with the idea, surely it could use the same wiki code or whatever as the ratings? When you hover over Innovation it gives you a description of it, surelt it could be done for attributes? /FrosTalk\ 07:59, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

I was thinking about that. It would be nice (especially when calculating things like Expertise and Critical Strikes). --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 07:59, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Hex Breaker

Build:Team - HB Blackout Spike, in the optional list it says it lasts 65s@10. However, it is actually 55 in game. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:26, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

A lot of skills haven't been updated on PvX since the split between PvP and PvE skills, I'm not sure what PvX is going to do to show the difference between the skills in PvP and PvE. Byakko 02:59, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Hex breaker isn't a split pve/pvp skill, nor has its duration been changed recently. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 03:34, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Well this Wiki uses historic Skill Data (Back from March 2008) which was way before the Splitting and therefore a skill doesnt need to have been changed recently in order to be displayed wrong here. And thats not the only issue here 87.183.41.200 07:58, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

Ah, you're right (/doh) I also saw the note about asking about updates above so I guess is best to manually crosscheck wiki's to be sure sorry WB ^^ Byakko 19:20, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Health Sacrifice

The fact that health sacrificed doesn't show up in the skill mouseover is kind of annoying. Is there any hope that it will be added? --CJNyfalt 17:35, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

I believe that that is GWshack's task, might be wrong though. Brandnew. 17:36, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

See here. Either gwshack is not up to date or <pvxbig> is not compatible. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 19:27, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

It's a pvxcode problem. gwshack shows sacrifice costs as part of the skill cost now. ~ Zamanee(point out my idiocy) 19:37, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Chilling Victory

Just to bring to attention, the Chilling Victory now has 2 different attribute lines based on PvE and PvP. So it might be something you guys should be able to handle or not. Huynh Sanity 00:05, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

We haven't gotten any split PvE/PvP skills working yet :( We'll figure it out (eventually) ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 00:52, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm wondering if it's time to start to put some restrictions on builds being tagged for both PvE and PvP. Maybe adding a type=pve or type=pvp option to PvX code would be the solution? --CJNyfalt 01:34, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

I think the cleanest solution lies in the creation of a skill database on PvX. Last I checked, it was ~80% done; we're waiting on a new test server. *Defiant Elements* +talk 01:36, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

For the time being, can't we just use a [Chilling Victory@<insert rank in wind prayers>] for CV? File:Signature 1.jpgAce (LVPoW) 00:39, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes, you can, but that only works in this case. Most other split skills didn't just have their attribute changed :( ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 00:39, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Aww beat me to itPuneY 00:37, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

PvP/PvE changes are fixed now? [1] for proof. Look at Watch yourself and look at PvP version of it. File:Definite caboose sig.jpgAce(LVPoW) 19:52, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Missing Build

Erm, not sure if anyone has noticed, but while I was setting up my competition, I noticed no A/P builds, I am certain there was a Dark Apostasy Spear build vetted on the wiki, it was in Other, but I thought it may have been archived, but not there, does anyone have any light on such an issue, of builds just dissapearing, it was similiar to this User:Saint/Build:A/P_Spear_Of_Disenchantment Frosty No U! 14:38, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

I think it was slowly unfavoured, although it should have been archived. It used Remedy Signet instead of Assassin's Remedy (which was a bad choice) and something else instead of Wearying Strike. ــмıкεнaшк 14:42, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

These are the deleted A/P builds that are still in our database. If you can find a bored admin, he might look them through to restore and archive the one you're missing. Build:A/PCritical_Conditions, Build:A/P_Anthemous_Assassin, Build:A/P_Assachucher, Build:A/P_Assassin's_Fury, Build:A/P_Assassin's_Weariness, Build:A/P_CA_Assassin, Build:A/P_Commanding_Assassin, Build:A/P_Condition_Sin, Build:A/P_Crip_Anthem_Sin, Build:A/P_Crippling_Anthem_Assassin, Build:A/P_Crit_Spear, Build:A/P_Crit_Spear_Disenchanter, Build:A/P_Critcal_Spear, Build:A/P_Critical_Conditions, Build:A/P_Critical_Fury, Build:A/P_Critical_Harpooner, Build:A/P_Critical_Shouter, Build:A/P_Critical_Spear, Build:A/P_Critical_Spear_Sin, Build:A/P_Critical_Spears, Build:A/P_Defensive_Spear, Build:A/P_Disenchanting_spear, Build:A/P_Falling_Blades, Build:A/P_Falling_blades, Build:A/P_Fox's_Promise_Spearchucker, Build:A/P_Infection_of_Fury, Build:A/P_Merciless_Fox, Build:A/P_Mighty_Sinspear, Build:A/P_Mighty_Spearsin, Build:A/P_Multi_Target_Striker, Build:A/P_Pressure_Spear, Build:A/P_PvE_Critical_Spear-chucker, Build:A/P_Repeating_Lotus, Build:A/P_Seeping_Critical_Daggers, Build:A/P_Seeping_Criticals, Build:A/P_Shattering_Weakness, Build:A/P_Shuriken_Assassin, Build:A/P_Siphon_Spear_Shrine_Capper, Build:A/P_Spear_Assassin, Build:A/P_Spear_of_Apostasy, Build:A/P_Stunning_Assassin, Build:A/P_Way_of_the_Repeating_Critical, Build:A/P_Way_of_the_Spear – HHHIPPO ‹sysop› 17:19, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Anyone with Disenchantment/Dark Apostasy/Anything to do with a DA Spear Sin would be it, the CA Assassin was mine :D Frosty No U! 17:23, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Where u want it. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:25, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Don't worry, Dont got it. Frosty No U! 17:28, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

We are discussing if it should be archived. I dont think it should, as it was never meta. Copy paste or move it to your userspace, and then we/I will delete it. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:29, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

It was vetted in November, and went unfavourewd in May, Archive imo, it just fell out of favour, that's what happens to some builds that get archived. Frosty No U! 17:33, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

It was never in favor tho. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:35, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Since it wasn't really meta and we already have tons of archived builds, it will be deleted after all. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 17:44, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Deleted. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:45, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

It was Build:A/P_Crit_Spear_Disenchanter. It had been in the Other or Good category, then a couple people rated it down to have it trashed. I'm pretty sure we only archive Good and Great builds, though, so it was deleted as it should have been. That contest version would be an improvement, though. =P ــмıкεнaшк 21:44, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

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