PvXwiki:Admin noticeboard

The Admin noticeboard

There are a number of issues that can only be solved by an Administrator. The Admin noticeboard is one of the means through which users can contact Administrators in order to identify a problem that needs Administrative attention. Although editors are welcome to directly contact particular Administrators, posting on this page instead may be an easier way to let the entire Administrative group know of the issue (which may be particularly helpful since it increases the odds that at least one Administrator will see, and thus be able to respond to, the issue promptly).

There are only a limited number of things for which this page should be used. Many problems can be solved without Administrative intervention, and, thus, this page should be restricted to those issues that actually require an Administrator. Those are: blocking vandals, (un)deleting pages, (un)protecting pages, removing votes (either as per Real Vetting or because the build has been substantially edited), and mediation (only if the situation demands it).

Even in cases of vandalism, posting on this page needn't be the first step (and indeed should not be the first step). If you see vandalism, just go ahead and revert it, anyone has the power to do so. If it's a new article with no safe version to revert back to, tag it for deletion. In both cases you should leave a message in the talk page of that user to make him/her aware of why that kind of edit is unacceptable on PvXwiki. Only post here if that user persists in his/her actions, ignoring the warnings or if the content requires immediate Administrative attention (eg. if the material on the page is so offensive that should be immediately deleted).

(Be careful in case that user repeatedly insists on vandalizing, avoid a revert war; it's far better to temporarily leave the vandalized version of the page up until an admin has a chance to intervene.)

To create a new request: add an item to the bottom of the list below, providing a brief, neutral summary of the issue. As a sign of courtesy, also leave a message on the talk page of any other involved users so they are aware of this discussion. If you are alerting an admin of a vandal, use the {{IP}} template, with the first parameter being the vandal's IP or username. If you are requesting that vote(s) be removed, please use the {{Build}} template, with the first parameter being the build's name.

Note that this is not a talk page and that the respective moderators of each section reserve the right to remove non-administrative comments without discussion.

Please place new requests at the bottom of the corresponding issues heading.

General Issues

General problems, such as user conduct, vandalism, and bans. Also, suggestions can be posted here. All can be resolved by an Administrator. See resolved General Issues here.

Єяøהħ (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Eronth apparently, but something got fucked. -- Guild of Deals 16:01, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Enroth is already perma'd. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 12:48, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

Lukejohnson (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Needs to stop being such a complete idiot. See 99% of his contribs. —Tab McPiplup ツ 06:30, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Lmao. It's sad, but I agree. Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 06:33, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

warned to stop NPAing and start writing build articles fully. If he NPA's or posts another build that isn't ~fully written after it's moved into trial, tell me and he can have a vacation. PheNaxKian Sysop 06:35, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

For admins in regards to this user. It's evident he hadn't read the policies after a couple of warnings. As such I told him to read an abide by these (as indeed should all users). as such, if you see him brake any policy at all, please issue a ban. PheNaxKian Sysop 16:58, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Mgrinshpon (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Sock puppetry. Infinite ban on socks, increase ban length on main account each time he does it. -Auron 10:05, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

? youre an admin, why are you posting it on the AN?-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 17:03, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

contrary to popular belief, admins need to sleep/eat and do human and RL related activities ^^. As such, Auron won't always be on. PheNaxKian Sysop 17:05, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Admins are humans too? Gee was I wrong :)-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂ 17:07, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Just FYI, he has about a hundred socks already. They were all created before his ban. (Same goes for GWW, come to that.) -- Armond Warblade 20:17, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

ERF SHAKUUUR BiddlersFile:ZzYAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.gifMcDiddlensmithyarrgh 21:10, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

67.159.44.138‎‎ (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

See contribs --Frosty 18:14, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

Im pretty sure that IP is from a web proxy. I use proxies all the time to get into Torrentspy.... 18:38, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

It is. Blocked. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 18:44, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

a year's a bit much, compared to the other bans, isn't it? ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) _{Cuz Steve said so...} ツ 21:24, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

For an open proxy being used to vandalize? Not really. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 09:29, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

to be honest, a ban seemed a tad unnecessary. They did stop after i told them to...(being the main reason I didn't block them myself) PheNaxKian Sysop 10:09, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

To be honest, they started their contributions with vandalization, we don't need people like that. It was also a known proxy IP which means it was a banned user, or at the very least someone trying to be an asshat.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 10:15, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

MORE SOCK 4 YOU!!! (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

^if i were to put all the accounts he's made, then this would double the length of the page. anyway, is there anyway to just figure out where the sock guy's coming from and then block it from making new accounts? ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) _{Cuz Steve said so...} ツ 16:20, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Checkuser, but if he's using proxies there isn't really anything we can do about it besides banning accounts as we find them. Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 18:29, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

disable account creation for accounts using non-large ISP emails?   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 20:57, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

define nonlarge ISP emails plz. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) _{Cuz Steve said so...} ツ 20:59, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

specifically temporaryinbox.com's domains.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 21:41, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

doing things from school is a pain in the arse...Basically wehen we block (eperma block and socks) we block the last i[p used, and prevent account creation. SO basicaly they're using multiple e-mail adresses and proxies. While saying only certain e-mails can be used, it would mnean those that aren't being stupid and use those would also be unable to use the site, so it's not an option. Plus it takes about 5 seconds to block someone. PheNaxKian Sysop 08:22, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Everyone has an ISP and therefore an email. Shouldn't be too hard to get a list of national and international legitimate ISPs, as well as school. If need be, I could probably format a wildcard list for it, but I'd only bother if this is something we're interested in.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 11:44, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Page should be locked, as people are randomly commenting on the Talk. -- Guild of Deals 12:18, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

86.146.223.80 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

ups, it's the Amsterdam shitter again. gonna go ahead and guess it's igor. Ban RIPE IP blocks already. 86.0.0.0 - 86.255.255.255 should be sufficient.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 15:28, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

You should look at my talk/contribs. 86.146.223.80 15:32, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

it's tab, Cedave.... PheNaxKian Sysop 15:33, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

So him and Igor have the same internet connection internet service? That's fucked up.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 15:34, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

not seeing what this has to do with amsterdam 86.146.223.80 15:35, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

....@cedaveI sincerely hope there was a </sarcasm> missed there...@tab IP adresses can tell you the persons physical location (roughly). In any case, there's no need for a block so this issue's resolved. PheNaxKian Sysop 15:36, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Also, cedave, the biggest rangeblock mediawiki allows is the second two octets. We could block everything in 86.0.xxx.xxx, but not everything in 86.xxx.xxx.xxx. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 16:05, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

146.145.164.39 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Contribs. Constant vandalism. God Zefir 13:56, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

6 month ban. PheNaxKian Sysop 14:03, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Unexist (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

[1] [2]...[3] Victoryisyours (talk/pvxcontribs) 13:14, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 14:22, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Caboose (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

new acc. wasn't perma'd. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) _{Cuz Steve said so...} ツ 14:56, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

ty phenax. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) _{Cuz Steve said so...} ツ 15:05, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

(EC)sorted. Can we get his new account name? (I'm inclined to think you but it never hurts to be sure...) ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:06, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

my talk confirms it. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) _{Cuz Steve said so...} ツ 15:10, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Mr.Onion (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

217.44.188.198 Mr.Onion

217.44.68.205 Sorrow/Igor

Mr.Onion is Igor, see his posts on User talk:Godliest, look at his user page, realise the first thing he did was ask how to submit a build, pretending he didn't know what he was doing, although he has made several contributions since then without submitting a build. He defended one of Sorrow's builds on User talk:Rupsie, backing up Saz and despite being new and apparently not knowing how to write a build, he has removed build tags from the user space, cause apparently he knows that. I know the IPs aren't the same, I know they aren't proxies, Igor has just switched to a new ISP with dynamic IP addresses, which is why the first two numbers don't change. You can listen to all that, or just trust my eerie psychic powers which new it was Igor when I read the first comments on Godliest's page, the rest was just to gather evidence. I advise banning and see where the QQ comes from. He's getting smarter, at least he didn't run straight to Saz's talk page this time. - Misery Is Friendly 15:14, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

I just said that discord isnt good enough to make sab's absolete, dont have a clue about what build you are talking about. Also I removed that tag because some other guy said it shouldnt be there so less dirt plz. --Mr.Onion 15:26, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

resolved. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:26, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

lolpsychic, you dont need to be one to guess that a person who acts like Igor is Igor. --RAAARRRR!!!! 13:50, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

RAAARRRR!!!! (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Rask Tab 14:14, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Reatard! No U! Im not Raskay. >:( --<font size=10>[[4]]</font> 14:31, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Resolved. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 14:38, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Afflicted Pikachu (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Also Igor, he made two socks and played the "I dun kno hao 2 wiki!" game this time. - Misery Is Friendly 11:22, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

done. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 11:41, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Why dont we just give him another chance. If we keep banning him he'll just make more socks anyway. If we let him try again and it still doesn't work out, then we can continue to do what we're doing. --Angelus 21:26, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Umm no? Cuz then we have to do it for every other jackass who gets perma'd. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   21:29, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

and i don't like rask or igor very much anymore. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) _{Cuz Steve said so...} ツ 21:30, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Correct me if I'm wrong (I dont really update myself on all the blocks), but I think it just seems like a ton of people got perma'd because they create so many socks. IMO, at least give Igor a shot. Rask is just a pain in the ass. --Angelus 21:36, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

that's what i thought, until i realized they aren't like that. anyway, they were given multiple chances and they failed all of them. so why give another when the history indicates they'll betray that? ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) _{Cuz Steve said so...} ツ 21:46, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Dont judge peoplez by urself >.< ! Oh, and whats with silly hate, angelus is right, Im rly nice and well-contributing and shuld be unbaen'd, cuz unlike others I liek dis wikis but shuld ignore trolls moar. :3 --87.106.79.175 10:06, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Enough discussion, stop now. Its not gonna happen. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   21:48, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Goldenstar (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Is repeatedly vandalizing userpages (with unfunny shit). --Mafaraxas (talk) 23:40, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   06:43, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Some random account of randomness (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

I don't even think you need a checkuser for this one. -- Guild of Deals 18:14, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

I...You...How could you report me GoD...hurded u liek meh. QQ--Some random account of randomness 18:15, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

/drama /drama --Some random account of randomness 18:15, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Make it less obvious next time :O -- Guild of Deals 18:16, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Lol I wasnt even trying to hide, hay saxay btw! :O --Some random account of randomness 18:19, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Wiz got it. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   06:36, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

He did but why shout it out in an, isnt it like...obvious or something? >.> --217.42.49.52 12:43, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Skill changes

While PvPing, i noticed frequently today that it said "<insert skill> has been updated." For example, at 11 Inspiration Magic, Mantra of Inscriptions shortened the recharge for signets by 43% or so. After it said "updated", then it was only around 23%. These updates did not show up in recent updates, so either we dont get information fast enough or the changes arent final and Anet isnt posting them on the Guild Wars website. Just wanted to clear this up. Error converting thumbnail:Image:JebusSigNew.jpg Enter my contests! 18:04, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Are you talking about split PvE/PvP skills? Because whenever you enter a PvP area with one of those on your skill bar (and mantra of inscriptions is one), it says "<skill name> has been updated on your skill bar for PvP." ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 18:33, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

There are 2 diff. sets of skill pages for PvP/PvE split skills. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   20:33, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Mіzzouman2002 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Sockpuppet. Check contribs and History. -- Guild of Deals 14:12, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

blocked. I also blocked the IP that forged the user/talk page. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 14:18, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

Build-Specific Issues

Build-Specific refers to any issue pertaining to the removal of votes, usually resolved by a Build Master or Administrator. See resolved issues here.

If you wish to dispute another user's vote, it is advised to do so on the build's talk page. This section of the noticeboard is intended to notify Admins or Build Masters of issues that can be speedily resolved (e.g. factually incorrect votes) or issues in need of mediation. Avoid debating builds or votes here.

Note: If applicable, please identify specific votes to improve admin response time.

A/N Rigor Spiker (talk · rate)

Overhauls and build update, needs some votes removed. -- Guild of Deals 12:58, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

Grrr you went ahead of me on this report. >.< --Smile ツ 13:00, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

Already brought it up. No one said anything. Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 00:47, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Team - Triple Critscythe (talk · rate)

People are saying that its inferior to other builds, its a dupe, its been done b4, etc. WHERE? I see scythes warway and perma shadowform scythe. That's it. This is far different. I is *Jebus*Enter my contests! 22:59, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

A/E Hidden Daggers (talk · rate)

Votes pertaining to lack of an IAS are irrelevant. Most non-spike Sins don't need an IAS. Build: A/any Shattering Assault is a prime example. -- Guild of Deals 15:49, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

A/E Perma Sliver Speed (talk · rate)

Requesting a vote wipe because many people voted on it before actually understanding the build and are voting it down because they prefer A/E Perma Sliver. - ḆỠḇỰ₤₳₮ỉờ₦ 18:00, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

We could just WELL it as a dupe and merge yours to variants. But even then, it's terrible. Tried it out a long time ago and Sliver just does it better, and without so much wanting to kill myself.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 18:02, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

If this is a dupe of A/E Perma Sliver Form then the A/E Planes Farm build is also a dupe, so merge all three of these. And how is this terrible? It's faster than Sliver Form alone... - ḆỠḇỰ₤₳₮ỉờ₦ 18:12, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

leave this conversation on the builds talk, not the AN. PheNaxKian Sysop 18:13, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

moved to build talk PheNaxKian Sysop 10:56, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

If anyone posts on this topic again (without good reason), consider yourselves on a little vacation, I've told you not to converse on the AN. Someone will look at it when they can. PheNaxKian Sysop 15:48, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Team - Bipsacc Way (talk · rate)

The Blight's vote:"HM -60%, warp to town." is false because the UA rezzer does not sac-die, thus does not get a dp. PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 11:26, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

The monk can die though, so if your enemies don't all auto-blow-up, it's gg in 4 tries.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 12:02, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

A/E Glyph Spike (talk · rate)

Zzz trial votes.--TheHunger 21:09, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

zzz dupe.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 21:27, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

zzz of what I is *Jebus*Enter my contests! 00:24, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

zzz of the build linked to on the well tag.--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 05:21, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

A/W "Not Another Spike Sin!" (talk · rate)

BB Nerf. Blah10

That build uses shove, not BB I see what you mean, but the BB Sin now runs 12 hammer for the 4 second KD, and is only slightly weaker.--TheHunger 21:00, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Indeed, it is clearly not as inferior as vetted. some guy claims that Shove isnt a "good" KD, Unconditional KD's = bad KD's tbh... :S Blah10

Also "Shureshot" wrote "Not enough dmg to kill the master of dmg use BB and win more". Based on this statement, BB requires you to auto-attack for a few seconds before hand, therefore Shove-Sin = Higher DPS per sec. And since auto-attacking gives you an neon sign above your head saying that you are a BB sin, BB cannot effectively "Win" more. Also, the Master of Damage cannot die, lol. Blah10

What has Psychriactric Consultant's vote got to do with effectiveness, universal, and innovation? Blah10

A/N Rigor Spiker (talk · rate)

The votes on the build are either outdated, or wrong. I was just looking around and noticed that. Mr. Big File:BigSig2.JPG 20:43, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Also, Igor's vote should be removed.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 22:29, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Shouldnt it always? I is *Jebus*Enter my contests! 23:03, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

R/any Point Blank Turret (talk · rate)

FiveAcez's vote: "This build has some potential, using the half-range attacks for heavy damage.My problem with this build is that it uses a longbow and has a slow re-firing rate. A flatbow with favorable winds would be much more effective.You would still have the same range, but a faster refiring rate, meaning a better spike." --flatbow is already in equipment page.

Ereanor's vote is half wrong-"lacks focus" on a build that just spams 2 attack skills and interupts, which is not the definition of "lack focus" unelss im wrong. PWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 21:55, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

those votes have been removed. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) _{Cuz Steve said so...} ツ 22:59, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Since I posted in the section below by accident last time: "Ska's vote is.. well, a balance vote. That or he forgot how to math the damages."   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 15:28, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

A/E Blades of Lightning (talk · rate)

Requesting a votewipe as author overhauled it.Zyke 01:38, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

The only thing that is off about that vote is the comment about feather foot grace. Other than that it is completely right. ----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 02:02, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Well, there's only one vote, and it's still largely valid. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 07:36, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Ska's vote is.. well, a balance vote. That or he forgot how to math the damages.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 21:28, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Uh...I actually don't see any vote by Ska. -- Scottie_theNerd (talk/contribs/complain) 22:57, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

ups, that was supposed to be in the section above, but the AN must've been broken or I misclicked.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 23:00, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

D/W Lyssa's Signets (talk · rate)

Both ratings on the build are based on the "maintenance" of SoMS, which is completely missing the point of the build. What do they think it is, a running build? Requesting removal of votes please. MrMetalFLower-...tlk 11:56, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

SoMS and MS with only 1 enchantment, SoPR with a 30 seconds recharge enchantment and rune suicide makes the build so bad. Even Victorious sweep provides close to the same additional damage as SS with a small self heal.PikaFan 14:13, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

W/A Beguiling Axe (talk · rate)

Although the votes aren't really wrong, Dazed is much more useful in RA and AB than big damage because they die just as fast while you're not able to get shutdown by the Steam ele or Empathy mesmer. The votes reflect if someone was using this in TA or GvG, where bigger damage is better. Plus JORLZ36181's vote is bad. Daze is pretty good for universality anyways. In RA, Dazed is going to be a whole lot more effective when u step at their casters and spike them down anyways. Just my thoughts on vote bias towards Eviscerate.--Shadow 02:52, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

A/W_HB_Hazer (talk · rate)

Crossfire/Relyk undervoting it. You can name any counter for a sin build, especially if it includes the word "blocking". you dont just use daze at the start, the user must have a brain and know when it is best to use it. naming a counter to a sin spike shouldn't be a reason for such a low vote. Saint 09:57, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   15:09, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

A/W "YAA!" Arena Spiker (talk · rate)

Needs to be WELL'd imo, see Build:A/W_YAA_Assassin. Discussed on talk page, and GoD reverted my WELL tag. Admin please look over. Saint 16:23, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   19:50, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

N/D Mystic Orders (talk · rate)

Issues in several votes have been addressed.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 19:14, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Also, Ckal's vote seems to misunderstand game mechanics, but has never been addressed.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 19:15, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

bump.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 18:12, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

haiiii. anyone wanna look here? kthx.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 14:29, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Stop spamming the AN. Admins have lives, they will look at this when they have a chance. Saint 14:39, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

i'm pretty sure I've put this same notice up and it's been cleared before being resolved before. also, not like i'm gonna listen to a troll anyway. ups.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 14:50, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

then listen to me, stop spamming the AN, one comments all that's needed. An admin or BM will get to it when they can. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:08, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

h'okay. just wondering, because, like i said, last time this was up here, it got archived and never resolved. ups?   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 18:44, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

E/any KD Warder (talk · rate)

Has been updated to current version, needs a votewipe. Brandnew. 19:15, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

doesn't really need one imho. the votes are still valid, cept maybe archer's. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) _{Cuz Steve said so...} ツ 19:18, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

New meta, might be a lot more/less useful now. Just give it a revet ;o Brandnew. 19:20, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   19:47, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

unrelated, but how come when you vote wipe a build it shows up in recent changes but not in the page's history? ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) _{Cuz Steve said so...} ツ 20:10, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

It shows up in the deletion log. Separate from history, but related. It shows in Deletion Log in RC, so thats where it goes. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   21:20, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

Sanctum Cay

We absolutely need 10 different builds for solo running a mission that six 8-year-olds could get through in half the time, since there aren't any other missions that can both be run more often and for higher profit. --Mafaraxas (talk) 11:31, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Along with things like Varesh or Shiro farming. Bad drops for an easy mission. But i cant see how we can delete this without adding a new policy. After all, someone could make a build to farm a certain easy area cause it gets xp and nobody else has made a build for that area, so we cant well it. Some logic could be to well it saying that some areas have better drops/xp and the build is inferior to those, but then we should well every farming build thats not DoA, TotPK, FoW, or UW. Which isnt too bad of an idea. Although some things are worth farming cause theyre easy (raptor, vermin) Error converting thumbnail:Image:JebusSigNew.jpg Enter my contests! 14:55, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

I'd made Build:Team - Sanctum Cay Team which allowed me to tag the running builds for WELL, but Phailnaxkian deleted my build for unknown reasons. Mission running builds are fine if you can actually make a profit (i.e. Shiro HM) and the mission is arguably difficult for pugs, but sanctum cay is a joke. --Mafaraxas (talk) 19:23, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

i deleted it because it was jsut 8 bars with 8 optionals, it was stupid. As for the builds tag them for WELL, and an admin will get em next deletion spree. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:16, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

6 builds. I propose 6 builds with 8 optionals is better than a running build in all situations for Sanctum Cay. whatev. --Mafaraxas (talk) 15:18, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

ohai

Team - Barrage/MoP Way (talk · rate), Team - DoA Trapper Farmers (talk · rate), Team - Balanced MoI Spike (talk · rate), and Team - Triple Critscythe (talk · rate). Wrong votes are wrong. And something that came to my attention and has been bugging me for a while:

Current version:

"Save
Yourselves!" (Kurzick)/(Luxon)

As opposed to:

Save

Yourselves!"

(Kurzick)/(Luxon)

or

Save Yourselves!"
(Kurzick)/(Luxon)

Cause it streches the skill bar and its annoying. Error converting thumbnail:Image:JebusSigNew.jpg Enter my contests! 19:34, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

W/any_Dragon_Slash_Warrior (talk · rate)

Needs a vote wipe so we can revote and see if it's worth archiving or not. ــмıкεнaшк 20:14, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

or you could stop being really bad. but on this build, jjberks needs a remove. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dark0805 (talk • contribs) .

And so would Skakid, Unexist and several others by that logic. The request still stands. XD ــмıкεнaшк 20:27, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

wiped. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:14, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Team - Pancakeway (talk · rate)

Please revert to the last edit by Vorith. Unexist is fucking terrible at the game, plus he's changing a build after it got vetted great.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 13:32, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

nvm. Copypasta fixes it.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 13:37, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

1. Go to history page.
2. Click date of revision you want to revert to.
3. Click edit.
4. Click save.

¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 19:35, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

too much effort. copypasta wins. >.>   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 21:29, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Look at the rating page. Unexist is a nigger.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 00:23, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Mo/R Melandru's Support Smiter (talk · rate)

Request Vote wipe please :> --Frosty 12:24, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Done ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:37, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

"Lilondra"'s vote, inferior to other supporters, says this on the meta and most effective support monk in TA. --Frosty 11:59, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:04, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

Team - Rampageway (talk · rate)

Request Votye wipe :> --Frosty 12:28, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:37, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

W/E Shock Axe (talk · rate)

Mizzouman's restored again, this time by Tab. -- Guild of Deals 18:58, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

It's an archived build, so QQ moar. I will go vote wipe. - Misery Is Friendly 19:43, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

leave it. it's a vital piece of our heritage.--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 23:06, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

Team - Physical Heroes (talk · rate)

Trial votes are awesome--ツThe Gates Assassin 23:24, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

Dont got it. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 07:01, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

Me/E Fast Casting Nuker (talk · rate)

Rewrote the build, needs a vote wipe.--Shadow 23:25, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

done. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 07:01, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

Rt/Me Caretaker's Generosity (talk · rate)

Anything above Trash is a bad vote there. --Frosty 07:55, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:00, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

Rt/Mo WoR Arenas Ritualist (talk · rate)

WoW is in main bar now. -- Guild of Deals 09:23, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

done. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 09:34, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

Team - Asuran Shot (talk · rate)

Defense is greatly improved since first vote (major reason for low votes), requesting vote wipe. --Sir Bertrand 15:21, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

General Coding Issues

Coding refers to any issue or bug that needs to be dealt with by a Server Administrator (Gcardinal or Hhhippo). See resolved issues here. PvXcode related issues have their own section below.

Rating Page Lock

We need a way to lock rating pages from additions and removals(Like a page protection). Also useful for archived builds, to keep the rating page unchanged. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:53, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Recent Changes

The RSS and Atom feeds don't work. ¬ Klumpeet 15:45, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Trial Builds

Is there a reason a huge number of them aren't showing up in Special:GraceExpired? — Rapta (talk|contribs) 17:26, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Fixed. Was a bug in the script. – HHHIPPO ‹sysop› 17:08, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Possible Name-Server Issue

On my current computer, www.pvxwiki.com doesnt load. I thought the system was down, so i pinged. Ping was successful, and more importantly pvxwiki.com(no WWW) did work. Normally a nameserver issu develops from the opposite problem(www is necessary to a successful load).File:Dark0805 Piplup.jpg--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 11:03, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

I didnt try just pvxwiki.com but from around 9:00 to 12:00 PvX didnt work for me at all. Did the server crash? I is *Jebus*Enter my contest! 12:50, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

The PvX server was rebooted several times between 8:25 and 11:00 EDT today. Gcardinal was working on some networking issues, you'd have to ask him for details. – HHHIPPO ‹sysop› 15:26, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

This and This

They are the same thing (the first is just the code for the 2nd link), but the idea is the little search bar in the top right corner of firefox (at least for me), but one for PvX. I think we could easily modify that to make ourselves one, but idk about the copying or implementation. Frvwfr2 btw, logged out to test the search function. ~~ Frvwfr2 16:14, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

New idea, since GWW and GW have one, we could just ask Poke for help. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:15, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Poke tells me that it is a feature of a later version of MediaWiki, but idk if that's an option what with all the custom stuff or w/e. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   14:45, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

I already asked for a searchplugin for the browser toolbar; Armond replied that it wasn't the best way to search pvx, but to stay tuned for some new feature for searching pvx (but apprently unrelated to what you and I asked for). The xml coding of a searchplugin seems trivial, but I discovered no administrative interest in it. The fact that this server is not running the newest versions of all software is discouraging; I think that using the newest versions of everything couldn't hurt in making this site more hacker-resistant. --War Pig5 18:25, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Keep in mind that there are a whopping two people with server access, both of whom have busy real lives, and that upgrading software is time-consuming (especially the mediawiki software, since we have so much customized content). ~Wizardboy in comp lab too lazy to actually log in 129.21.25.176 17:18, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Font

Is it possible to upload a font. A certain font on my computer is different on pvx.--X14 20:44, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

Not entirely sure what you're asking, but if you want to change the font on PvX, you can go to Special:Mypage/monobook.css and add body { font-family:"blah"; } But I have a feeling that's not what you're asking, so clarify please. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 18:51, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

i think he's talking about the font families. like Times New Roman and that stuff. CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 19:07, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

As far as I know, all fonts are user-side only; that is, I could set the font in my sig to Times New Roman, but if I didn't have Times New Roman installed on my computer, the browser would just revert to the default font. Similarly, I could be a pro and make up my own font family that no one else has and use it for my sig; in that case, my browser would recognize and use it just fine, but everyone else's browsers wouldn't recognize it and revert to their browsers' default fonts instead. --Mafaraxas (talk) 19:33, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Meh like for example if i created my own font, is it possible to load said font into pvx, and for multiple users to use it and it would display correctly on their browsers.--X14 20:36, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

As long as the people you care about have the font on their computer, it would work, and there wouldn't be any need for you to upload the font to PvX. I don't think PvX even has the capability for users to upload anything other than images. If you want to get the font to your friends, just upload the font file to a third party file sharing site, then tell your friends to download from there and copypasta into their font folder. --Mafaraxas (talk) 22:13, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Or just use images or universally-friendly fonts. ツ cedave (contributions☆buildpage) 22:52, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Forum links

Could possibly get some coding to link to the forums for specific builds? For example, if in the article, there is some code such as "forums=(URL)" then it would add a link to the top. Is this possible? We could just make a template and add it to these pages I guess. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:50, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Display issues with Safari Browser

Well, I recently downloaded the new Safari browser and i like it a lot. However, there seems to be some kind of display issue with PvX. The navigation bar that is supposed to appear on the left hand side of each article is just a blank white area and the links from that are pushed down to the very bottom of the page below the white area. Could be something to do with my computer, but can someone else using safari confirm? Thanks Peter 02:58, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Yea, the sidebar links are getting pushed down below the article body on every page. I'll look into it and see if I can change the css or something to fix it if I have time. Hhhippo might know how to fix it. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:44, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Nothing I've tried fixes it. It's entirely possible it's a safari bug. But if anyone else who knows some css wants to try to figure it out, here's a summary of what I tried:

1. Reducing the width of the article body and/or sidebar just leaves a bigger gap between them.
2. Changing the white-space:nowrap in the h4, h5, and h6's for .portlet to white-space:normal removes the big section of whitespace, and the sidebar looks normal... except that it's still shoved down below the article.
3. Changing the border, padding, and margin for .portlet and #pBody did nothing.

I tried more than this, but I don't remember it all. Also, guildwiki, GWW, and wikipedia all look normal in Safari. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 18:26, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Confirmed, no other wikis seem to be having this issue. Peter 07:53, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Opera, IE, Firefox, and Chrome all load the wiki fine. I'm guessing it's a rendering issue in Safari. If you want, I could try to write up a CSS that'll fix it for just you that you can put in your monobook.   ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 20:24, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

If it was a rendering issue would it not an effect on the other wikis? Its not a huge problem by an stretch of the imagination, just a bit inconvenient. I will contact apple and see what they say....Peter 04:26, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, all I can get out of apple is that its not a Safari browser problem.....back to using firefox i go lol. Peter 02:46, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

PvXcode Issues

Coding issues related to PvXcode. See also PvXwiki talk:PvXcode. Resolved issues are moved here.

Please do not leave posts about skills not being up to date, we don't change the descriptions.

Dash and Expertise

Expertise doesn't reduce the energy cost of dash. See Build:R/A Exhausting Assault Ranger|here. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:48, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Expertise isn't meant to reduce energy cost of Dash (see what expertise effects; Ranger skills, attack skills, touch skills and binding rituals). /FrosTalk\ 18:01, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

That's... wow. They changed it back in October of 2006, and I never noticed XD I still thought it affected all non-spell skills :P ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 19:06, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

"For each rank of Expertise, the Energy cost of all of your attacks, Rituals, touch skills and Rangers skills are decreased by 4%." Just FYI, from GWW. --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 19:14, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

An admin that's two years out of date, you need an update :P /FrosTalk\ 21:18, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

The funny thing is, I probably would have noticed if my suggestion below was implemented :P ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 23:31, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Ironic or what ;) /FrosTalk\ 23:34, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Mouse-over Attribute descriptions

Would it be possible to have mousing over an attribute display the in-game description of that attribute? ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:48, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I agree with the idea, surely it could use the same wiki code or whatever as the ratings? When you hover over Innovation it gives you a description of it, surelt it could be done for attributes? /FrosTalk\ 07:59, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

I was thinking about that. It would be nice (especially when calculating things like Expertise and Critical Strikes). --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 07:59, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Hex Breaker

Build:Team - HB Blackout Spike, in the optional list it says it lasts 65s@10. However, it is actually 55 in game. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:26, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

A lot of skills haven't been updated on PvX since the split between PvP and PvE skills, I'm not sure what PvX is going to do to show the difference between the skills in PvP and PvE. Byakko 02:59, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Hex breaker isn't a split pve/pvp skill, nor has its duration been changed recently. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 03:34, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Well this Wiki uses historic Skill Data (Back from March 2008) which was way before the Splitting and therefore a skill doesnt need to have been changed recently in order to be displayed wrong here. And thats not the only issue here 87.183.41.200 07:58, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

Ah, you're right (/doh) I also saw the note about asking about updates above so I guess is best to manually crosscheck wiki's to be sure sorry WB ^^ Byakko 19:20, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

Health Sacrifice

The fact that health sacrificed doesn't show up in the skill mouseover is kind of annoying. Is there any hope that it will be added? --CJNyfalt 17:35, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

I believe that that is GWshack's task, might be wrong though. Brandnew. 17:36, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

See here. Either gwshack is not up to date or <pvxbig> is not compatible. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 19:27, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

It's a pvxcode problem. gwshack shows sacrifice costs as part of the skill cost now. ~ Zamanee(point out my idiocy) 19:37, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Chilling Victory

Just to bring to attention, the Chilling Victory now has 2 different attribute lines based on PvE and PvP. So it might be something you guys should be able to handle or not. Huynh Sanity 00:05, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

We haven't gotten any split PvE/PvP skills working yet :( We'll figure it out (eventually) ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 00:52, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm wondering if it's time to start to put some restrictions on builds being tagged for both PvE and PvP. Maybe adding a type=pve or type=pvp option to PvX code would be the solution? --CJNyfalt 01:34, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

I think the cleanest solution lies in the creation of a skill database on PvX. Last I checked, it was ~80% done; we're waiting on a new test server. *Defiant Elements* +talk 01:36, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

For the time being, can't we just use a [Chilling Victory@<insert rank in wind prayers>] for CV? File:Signature 1.jpgAce (LVPoW) 00:39, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes, you can, but that only works in this case. Most other split skills didn't just have their attribute changed :( ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 00:39, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Aww beat me to itPuneY 00:37, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

PvP/PvE changes are fixed now? [5] for proof. Look at Watch yourself and look at PvP version of it. File:Definite caboose sig.jpgAce(LVPoW) 19:52, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Missing Build

Erm, not sure if anyone has noticed, but while I was setting up my competition, I noticed no A/P builds, I am certain there was a Dark Apostasy Spear build vetted on the wiki, it was in Other, but I thought it may have been archived, but not there, does anyone have any light on such an issue, of builds just dissapearing, it was similiar to this User:Saint/Build:A/P_Spear_Of_Disenchantment Frosty No U! 14:38, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

I think it was slowly unfavoured, although it should have been archived. It used Remedy Signet instead of Assassin's Remedy (which was a bad choice) and something else instead of Wearying Strike. ــмıкεнaшк 14:42, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

These are the deleted A/P builds that are still in our database. If you can find a bored admin, he might look them through to restore and archive the one you're missing. Build:A/PCritical_Conditions, Build:A/P_Anthemous_Assassin, Build:A/P_Assachucher, Build:A/P_Assassin's_Fury, Build:A/P_Assassin's_Weariness, Build:A/P_CA_Assassin, Build:A/P_Commanding_Assassin, Build:A/P_Condition_Sin, Build:A/P_Crip_Anthem_Sin, Build:A/P_Crippling_Anthem_Assassin, Build:A/P_Crit_Spear, Build:A/P_Crit_Spear_Disenchanter, Build:A/P_Critcal_Spear, Build:A/P_Critical_Conditions, Build:A/P_Critical_Fury, Build:A/P_Critical_Harpooner, Build:A/P_Critical_Shouter, Build:A/P_Critical_Spear, Build:A/P_Critical_Spear_Sin, Build:A/P_Critical_Spears, Build:A/P_Defensive_Spear, Build:A/P_Disenchanting_spear, Build:A/P_Falling_Blades, Build:A/P_Falling_blades, Build:A/P_Fox's_Promise_Spearchucker, Build:A/P_Infection_of_Fury, Build:A/P_Merciless_Fox, Build:A/P_Mighty_Sinspear, Build:A/P_Mighty_Spearsin, Build:A/P_Multi_Target_Striker, Build:A/P_Pressure_Spear, Build:A/P_PvE_Critical_Spear-chucker, Build:A/P_Repeating_Lotus, Build:A/P_Seeping_Critical_Daggers, Build:A/P_Seeping_Criticals, Build:A/P_Shattering_Weakness, Build:A/P_Shuriken_Assassin, Build:A/P_Siphon_Spear_Shrine_Capper, Build:A/P_Spear_Assassin, Build:A/P_Spear_of_Apostasy, Build:A/P_Stunning_Assassin, Build:A/P_Way_of_the_Repeating_Critical, Build:A/P_Way_of_the_Spear – HHHIPPO ‹sysop› 17:19, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Anyone with Disenchantment/Dark Apostasy/Anything to do with a DA Spear Sin would be it, the CA Assassin was mine :D Frosty No U! 17:23, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Where u want it. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:25, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Don't worry, Dont got it. Frosty No U! 17:28, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

We are discussing if it should be archived. I dont think it should, as it was never meta. Copy paste or move it to your userspace, and then we/I will delete it. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:29, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

It was vetted in November, and went unfavourewd in May, Archive imo, it just fell out of favour, that's what happens to some builds that get archived. Frosty No U! 17:33, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

It was never in favor tho. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:35, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Since it wasn't really meta and we already have tons of archived builds, it will be deleted after all. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 17:44, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Deleted. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   17:45, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

It was Build:A/P_Crit_Spear_Disenchanter. It had been in the Other or Good category, then a couple people rated it down to have it trashed. I'm pretty sure we only archive Good and Great builds, though, so it was deleted as it should have been. That contest version would be an improvement, though. =P ــмıкεнaшк 21:44, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Boss Builds Category

• Moved to PvXwiki talk:Community Portal.

Template Codes

I see template codes such as this. Build:Team - SFway PvE#4 SF Hex Removers CABOSE(LVPoW)_{"Hey chicka bum bum!"} 20:41, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

It's because it is E/any while it has Cure Hex on his bar. Thunda 20:43, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Leadership glitch?

<pvxbig> [build prof=Para/War leadership=0+3]["Go for the Eyes!"][Watch Yourself!][Save Yourselves!][Save Yourselves! (Luxon)]["There's Nothing To Fear!"][/build] </pvxbig> Energy is shown for GftE and WY, but not SY. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) _{Cuz Steve said so...} ツ 16:04, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

i'm inclined to think that's more a GWBBcode thing than our end (could be wrong). PheNaxKian Sysop 16:38, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Probably some Kurzick rank thingy that doesnt show up in PvX bar that affects leadership. I is *Jebus*Enter my contests! 17:54, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

nope. same with luxon. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) _{Cuz Steve said so...} ツ 18:03, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Doesn't work with TNTF, must be something to do with pve skills. Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 18:06, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

(EC)hmm it might be linked to the PvE rank. even if you put @3 it doesn't change anything (it doesn't even show what the duration should be). Just leave it a while, Hippo or GCard will see this eventually, amd if it's our code they'll fix it. If it's GWBBcode, i've left GCard a message asking him to update to the new version (with their being a new version) hopefully it's been fixed in that version. if not then just tough I guess =p, not much we can do. PheNaxKian Sysop 18:09, 8 October 2008 (EDT)