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The Admin noticeboard

There are a number of issues that can only be solved by an Administrator. The Admin noticeboard is one of the means through which users can contact Administrators in order to identify a problem that needs Administrative attention. Although editors are welcome to directly contact particular Administrators, posting on this page instead may be an easier way to let the entire Administrative group know of the issue (which may be particularly helpful since it increases the odds that at least one Administrator will see, and thus be able to respond to, the issue promptly).

There are only a limited number of things for which this page should be used. Many problems can be solved without Administrative intervention, and, thus, this page should be restricted to those issues that actually require an Administrator. Those are: blocking vandals, (un)deleting pages, (un)protecting pages, removing votes (either as per Real Vetting or because the build has been substantially edited), and mediation (only if the situation demands it).

Even in cases of vandalism, posting on this page needn't be the first step (and indeed should not be the first step). If you see vandalism, just go ahead and revert it, anyone has the power to do so. If it's a new article with no safe version to revert back to, tag it for deletion. In both cases you should leave a message in the talk page of that user to make him/her aware of why that kind of edit is unacceptable on PvXwiki. Only post here if that user persists in his/her actions, ignoring the warnings or if the content requires immediate Administrative attention (eg. if the material on the page is so offensive that should be immediately deleted).

(Be careful in case that user repeatedly insists on vandalizing, avoid a revert war; it's far better to temporarily leave the vandalized version of the page up until an admin has a chance to intervene.)

To create a new request: add an item to the bottom of the list below, providing a brief, neutral summary of the issue. As a sign of courtesy, also leave a message on the talk page of any other involved users so they are aware of this discussion. If you are alerting an admin of a vandal, use the {{IP}} template, with the first parameter being the vandal's IP or username. If you are requesting that vote(s) be removed, please use the {{Build}} template, with the first parameter being the build's name.

Note that this is not a talk page and that the respective moderators of each section reserve the right to remove non-administrative comments without discussion.

Please place new requests at the bottom of the corresponding issues heading.

General Issues

General problems, such as user conduct, vandalism, and bans. Also, suggestions can be posted here. All can be resolved by an Administrator. See resolved General Issues here.

Anonimous. (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

User is currently blocked. Revert any edit made by this user. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 18:05, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Chrismcc5 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

He never does anything except NPA, get banned, vandalize, etc etc. Can we just give him a long ban? --GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 09:52, 14 December 2008 (EST)

blocked for 1 month. hopefully when he comes back he'll be less of a vandal, if not I'll ban him again for much longer. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 10:52, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Frvwfr2 (talk · contribs · logs · check user · block user · block log)

Should be stopped from removing any vote that isn't obviously a troll vote, He is not a BM and he's removing BM votes, He also is terrible at the game called GW.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig 12:50, 15 December 2008 (EST)

PvX:EVAL. Also, if you are going to attack an admin publicly links will most definitely be required. -- Gringo TALK 17:54, 15 December 2008(EST)
He's been told to stop removing votes before and continues to do it. I could link you to the builds that he's been removing them from but most of the votes have already been restored, He knows hes not allowed to do it, yet does it anyway.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig 13:19, 15 December 2008 (EST)
He's allowed to, before BMs there were only admins (and Bcrats) who had the power to remove votes. Generally though with the introduction of BMs we've said that only admins should limit it to votes that are blatantly wrong or troll votes, and leave BMs to decide the rest. But the question then arises as to where do we say "that vote's wrong"...it's precption. In any case we should stop conversing on the AN >.>. Like Gringo said, if you feels he's done wrong, you can bring up a request for evaluation. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 13:32, 15 December 2008 (EST)
No Phen, Hes not, thats the point, only BM's are allowed to remove votes on the basis of theory crafting, and an Admin removing a vote cast by a build master is just an incredible over reach of power, most Admins didnt get Admin by being good at the game, they got Admin by being good with people, Frv has been told he's not allowed to remove votes before, unless they are obviously troll votes. For that matter you're not supposed to be removing votes either. Most admins already did a separate RFBM on top of their adminship to make it official, neither you nor frv have done an RFBM so you should not be removing any non-troll votes.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig 13:36, 15 December 2008 (EST)
When everyone else agrees that the build is good, and the PnH MONK is being vetted, you still maintain that the support PnH is bad? That's what this is about I assume. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   11:53, 16 December 2008 (EST)
By EVERYONE else I assume you mean the 5 people that frequently jerk each other off and also dont play below rank 3k and yes It's bad. You're bad. Anyone who took one look at the updates and said OMG PEACE AND HARMONY MUST BE IN EVERY HA BUILD NOW, Is bad.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig 22:49, 16 December 2008 (EST)
Stop Discussing. Take it to a talkpage.-Crossfire XIV 06:52, 17 December 2008 (EST)
On Shadowsin's we have a bit. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   06:53, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Build-Specific Issues

Build-Specific refers to any issue pertaining to the removal of votes, usually resolved by a Build Master or Administrator. See resolved issues here.

If you wish to dispute another user's vote, it is advised to do so on the build's talk page. This section of the noticeboard is intended to notify Admins or Build Masters of issues that can be speedily resolved (e.g. factually incorrect votes) or issues in need of mediation. Avoid debating builds or votes here.

Note: If applicable, please identify specific votes to improve admin response time.

W/E Hundred Blades Farmer (talk · rate)

First, needs a move. Second, people who 0-0-0 it are absolutely horrible, I'l submit screenshot after that ban expires because that thing blows up entire raptors cave with rekoff included. ~~Anonimous.

Atleast attempt to sock. If you keep it up you could be perma'd. --GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 17:25, 13 December 2008 (EST)
Whatever + positive intentions. ~~Anonimous.
Stop avoiding your ban, the IP's been blocked and your account ban has been extended, be glad I only made it 2 weeks, it should be more. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 18:03, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Me/any Shared Fears (talk · rate)

Serious overrating for a terrible attribute spread, medicore elite, and 7 spec Diversion. --GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 18:05, 13 December 2008 (EST)

A/D Grenth's Grasp Assassin (talk · rate)

Sniperfox's vote assumes your own teammates can't shut down opponents during spikes. Everything he mentions is a counter to almost every assassin build in existence. Toraen (Talk/Contrib) 06:44, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:36, 14 December 2008 (EST)

E/any Blinding Surge (talk · rate)

Unexist's Vote.-çɼoʂʂƴƿʃooƿʂ ɱçƒıɼeƿʃɑçkɘʃʂCrossfirexiv grinchsig 08:29, 14 December 2008 (EST)


D/E AoG PvE (talk · rate)

Asdfg's vote is completely wrong. I have asked him repeatedly to change it. He knows it was buffed but will still not change his vote, remove his vote please.--Altruismliger Liger414 talk 09:54, 14 December 2008 (EST)

R/W Coward Bow (talk · rate)

Requesting vote wipe as I move it back to Testing for a rethink.--Altruismliger Liger414 talk 10:20, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   15:38, 14 December 2008 (EST)

W/any Hundred PvE (talk · rate)

It's like Incendiary Arrows+Ingite Arrowsm but with a smaller range, can hit more often and charge "SY!"/Brawling Headbutt as well as a Dragon Slash Warrior if you bring someone with Dark Fury. If that isn't 5-5-X, I don't know what is, tbh. ــмıкεнaшк 15:25, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Only the original hit gains you adr. The other hits are only damage, not strikes. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   15:34, 14 December 2008 (EST)
"FGJ!"+Dark Fury means 4 strikes per attack, and Sun and Moon Slash hits twice, so it charges itself and any other adrenal skill on your bar (because they all require less than 8 strikes). ــмıкεнaшк 15:37, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Take it to individual users. By that logic every warrior bar with S&MS + FGJ is 5-5. Now GTFO my Admin Noticeboard with your discussions. - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby 15:43, 14 December 2008 (EST)

My vote, I do not see this as a team build and I can't see Barbs or Mark of Pain in it.--Altruismliger Liger414 talk 03:28, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Lets take vote on builds without self healing on the basis that they aren't in a team build with a monk too, kk? Stop being retarded. In future take any discussion about a removed vote to the talk page of the person who removed it, this does not require administrative intervention. - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby 04:25, 15 December 2008 (EST)

A/R Bestial Ox (talk · rate)

Rikuno's vote: "pets are bad period", even though pet build have been vetted as great before MuffinPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 16:10, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:58, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Underwood's vote yet again after you deleted it for the exact same reason lol MuffinPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 17:18, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Underwood for a 3rd time cause with cripple, IMS is not needed and this is a pressure build not a isnta kill build MuffinPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 17:27, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Gringo--Does not try to do 2 things at once, so it does not lack focus, and sins are not all for spikes (shatter assult) MuffinPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 17:29, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Removed underwoods, if he applies the same vote again me or another admin will ban him for 1RV (i'm going to sleep in a few mins so it'll probably be another admin) ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 18:07, 14 December 2008 (EST)
You go to sleep at 6? -- Jebuscontests 18:10, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Underwood yet again and says to ban him :p MuffinPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 18:14, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Tattle-tale.--Get Your Wood On Discuss 18:16, 14 December 2008 (EST)
i know right MuffinPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 18:17, 14 December 2008 (EST)

(Reset indent) Recent ratings also exists, it would be there anyway. Banned for 3 days. Jebus, I live in the UK, it's 11:20PM here, and I have a full day at school tomorrow. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 18:22, 14 December 2008 (EST)

And quit discussing on AN. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   18:29, 14 December 2008 (EST)

A/W Knocklock Palm Spiker (talk · rate)

Rikuno: wants a defensive stance on an arena sin. raisen: complains of lack of damage when in fact the spike has more damage than the majority of all sins in great, complains of long chain wtf? 5 attacks + primer is pretty standard.--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 17:51, 14 December 2008 (EST)

also Viktor. "VERY WEAK AGAINST ANY KIND OF ANTI-MELEE". zzzzz.--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 11:08, 15 December 2008 (EST)
not that i disagree with the rating or whatever, it's just a bad vote.--reason.decrystallized I frenzy-healsig. 11:08, 15 December 2008 (EST)

R/P Strike As One (talk · rate)

Frosty and Luke Johnsons votes are invalid. Luke Johnsons vote could also be alot less aggressive. While maybe not great it's not a 0-0-0 build imo tbh. Selket Shadowdancer 19:02, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Frosty changed his, Lukes is still invalid as the bar doesn't have a second bleeding skill. Selket Shadowdancer 13:25, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   06:17, 16 December 2008 (EST)

D/E AoG PvE (talk · rate)

Asdfg's vote. Permanent, unstrippable OotV is good. Toraen (Talk/Contrib) 20:49, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Or just run OotV? ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   21:06, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Can't run a Conjure with OoTV ZefirsigGod Zefir 21:58, 14 December 2008 (EST)
He is basing his vote solely on being unblockable by enchanted foes. 20 AoE lifesteal is good.--Altruismliger Liger414 talk 03:08, 15 December 2008 (EST)
AoG is one of the worst forms ever. Right after AoB, that is. 20 additional damage on your scythe isn't worth the elite. The enchantment blocking is the only thing separating this from conjure x.Asdfg 07:47, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Mo/E Ray of Judgment (talk · rate)

Shadowsin compares it ti SH but a SH ele lacks the support this build can give. Fox007 User Fox007 sig 13:13, 15 December 2008 (EST)

SH can go secondary rit or secondary anything for that matter. Stop discussing on AN ups. -- Jebuscontests 16:38, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Team - IV Spike (talk · rate)

Reworked the build to fit current meta, requesting vote wipe. -- Gringo TALK 16:47, 16 December 2008(EST)

Done. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   15:52, 16 December 2008 (EST)

W/any Primal Rage Axe (talk · rate)

Alpha fireborn. Anymore of the whole "elite frenzy is bad" bullshit and my head with explode. --GoD Hammer and Sickle Guild of Deals 17:27, 16 December 2008 (EST)

E/Me Disco Inferno (talk · rate)

needs a vote wipe as it got moved back into trial. Alpha firebornAlpha Fireborn Cripshot 17:39, 16 December 2008 (EST)

make changes first, then request a vote wipe... ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:42, 16 December 2008 (EST)
changes were made. not my page though. Alpha firebornAlpha Fireborn Cripshot 17:45, 16 December 2008 (EST)

General Coding Issues

Coding refers to any issue or bug that needs to be dealt with by a Server Administrator (Gcardinal or Hhhippo). See resolved issues here. PvXcode related issues have their own section below.

Rating Page Lock

We need a way to lock rating pages from additions and removals(Like a page protection). Also useful for archived builds, to keep the rating page unchanged. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:53, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Recent Changes

The RSS and Atom feeds don't work. ¬ Klumpeet 15:45, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Forum links

Could possibly get some coding to link to the forums for specific builds? For example, if in the article, there is some code such as "forums=(URL)" then it would add a link to the top. Is this possible? We could just make a template and add it to these pages I guess. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   12:50, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Display issues with Safari Browser

Well, I recently downloaded the new Safari browser and i like it a lot. However, there seems to be some kind of display issue with PvX. The navigation bar that is supposed to appear on the left hand side of each article is just a blank white area and the links from that are pushed down to the very bottom of the page below the white area. Could be something to do with my computer, but can someone else using safari confirm? Thanks Peter 02:58, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Yea, the sidebar links are getting pushed down below the article body on every page. I'll look into it and see if I can change the css or something to fix it if I have time. Hhhippo might know how to fix it. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:44, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Nothing I've tried fixes it. It's entirely possible it's a safari bug. But if anyone else who knows some css wants to try to figure it out, here's a summary of what I tried:
  1. Reducing the width of the article body and/or sidebar just leaves a bigger gap between them.
  2. Changing the white-space:nowrap in the h4, h5, and h6's for .portlet to white-space:normal removes the big section of whitespace, and the sidebar looks normal... except that it's still shoved down below the article.
  3. Changing the border, padding, and margin for .portlet and #pBody did nothing.
I tried more than this, but I don't remember it all. Also, guildwiki, GWW, and wikipedia all look normal in Safari. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 18:26, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Confirmed, no other wikis seem to be having this issue. Peter 07:53, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
Opera, IE, Firefox, and Chrome all load the wiki fine. I'm guessing it's a rendering issue in Safari. If you want, I could try to write up a CSS that'll fix it for just you that you can put in your monobook. Cedave bad  ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 20:24, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
If it was a rendering issue would it not an effect on the other wikis? Its not a huge problem by an stretch of the imagination, just a bit inconvenient. I will contact apple and see what they say....Peter 04:26, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
Well, all I can get out of apple is that its not a Safari browser problem.....back to using firefox i go lol. Peter 02:46, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Display Issues with Chrome

Same problem as described above with Safari. [[1]]. Anyone got anything? Sometimes its not that far down, it depends on the page I'm looking at. - McTai Tai Sig Image 3 14:31, 2 December 2008

Same but it ends under the red window. Fox007 User Fox007 sig 14:45, 2 December 2008 (EST)
(EC)Maybe add style="vertical-align:top"? Only Hhhippo or GCardinal can test / fix it though. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 14:47, 2 December 2008 (EST)
For me the nav bar (ie, Recent Changes) starts right at the end of the article. For this page, for example, it's wayyyy down there. Tai sig Image 78 14:48, 2 December 2008
(EC)Also the white part is a huge link to the main page. I do not know if that would help though. Fox007 User Fox007 sig 14:49, 2 December 2008 (EST)
This is exactly the same problem I have with my Safari Browser, it seems to push everything down to the bottom of the articles for some reason, most likely because the advert does not fit in the navigation bar. However, as above, widening this seemed to have no effect. Any coding experts out there? Peter 14:09, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Firefox PVX Search Codex not Found

The codex to allow me to search in the firefox search bar isnt found. I have yet to try IE The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.10.90.103 (talk • contribs) .

Works on Chrome. Fox007 User Fox007 sig 16:05, 26 November 2008 (EST)
But not on FF--82.10.90.103 07:54, 30 November 2008 (EST)
Poke told me that it is a newer version of MediaWiki that automatically does that, and updating mediawiki causes obvious problems for PvX. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   11:14, 30 November 2008 (EST)
FF seems to work ok for me Peter 02:59, 1 December 2008 (EST)
for me, the ad is right between recent ratings and the search box, so i have to scroll down. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) Cuz Steve said so... ツ 22:21, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Build Master Noticeboard

Since admins shouldn't really be making removals on votes that require thought into whether a vote needs to be removed, maybe a BN noticeboard could be made. If there is a vote that you feel is wrong, you could raise it on the BM noticeboard for discussion or to raise the attention of a BM. Obviously if a troll vote is made it can still be noted on the AN but for the votes that would require a BM, it could be used. Also means BM's don't have to go searching round RC and RRating to find wrong/bad votes. PvXwiki:Build_Master_noticeboard.--Frosty 13:23, 15 December 2008 (EST)

I believe around the introduction of BMs I suggested such a thing, but for whatever reason we decided not to. For instance, a few weeks back we only had 1 active BM (the others not being able to come on for various reasons). When you look at the amount of requests we get on here, a singal BM couldn't handle it all, so Admins are informed as well, and can remove the ones that are obviously wrong... ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 13:34, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Obviously wrong like "SH only has Adjacent range" or votes like "Cripshot is terrible" not votes that disagree with your opinion on a build. If you want to do that make an RFBM.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig 13:39, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Obvious fail votes yes I can agree with but then when anything contestable comes up a BM needs to know about it, because admins may and probably don't have the knowledge to decide whether removal is neccesarry. --Frosty 17:24, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Assume they do. — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 00:53, 16 December 2008 (EST)
No, You assume they do when they create RFBM and get it. Otherwise you assume they don't.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig 11:37, 16 December 2008 (EST)
No, you assume they do on the basis that you assume that they have enough self-judgment to be removing votes on issues that they are able to make an informed decision upon. Assume good faith. The moral here: don't be a douche. They're admins for a reason. That includes knowing what they themselves are capable of judging appropriately. If you're going to QQ, do so in the policy page for Admins. — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 15:47, 16 December 2008 (EST)

PvXcode Issues

Coding issues related to PvXcode. See also PvXwiki talk:PvXcode. Resolved issues are moved here.

Please do not leave posts about skills not being up to date, we don't change the descriptions.

Mouse-over Attribute descriptions

Would it be possible to have mousing over an attribute display the in-game description of that attribute? ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 17:48, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I agree with the idea, surely it could use the same wiki code or whatever as the ratings? When you hover over Innovation it gives you a description of it, surelt it could be done for attributes? /FrosTalk\ 07:59, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking about that. It would be nice (especially when calculating things like Expertise and Critical Strikes). --File:GoD Wario Sig.JPG*Wah Wah Wah!* 07:59, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

Health Sacrifice

The fact that health sacrificed doesn't show up in the skill mouseover is kind of annoying. Is there any hope that it will be added? --CJNyfalt 17:35, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

I believe that that is GWshack's task, might be wrong though. Brandnew. 17:36, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
See here. Either gwshack is not up to date or <pvxbig> is not compatible. ~ ĐONT*SYSOP 19:27, 9 July 2008 (EDT)
It's a pvxcode problem. gwshack shows sacrifice costs as part of the skill cost now. ~ ZamaneeJinnSigZamanee(point out my idiocy) 19:37, 9 July 2008 (EDT)

Leadership glitch?

<pvxbig> [build prof=Para/War leadership=0+3]["Go for the Eyes!"][Watch Yourself!][Save Yourselves!][Save Yourselves! (Luxon)]["There's Nothing To Fear!"][/build] </pvxbig> Energy is shown for GftE and WY, but not SY. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) Cuz Steve said so... ツ 16:04, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

i'm inclined to think that's more a GWBBcode thing than our end (could be wrong). PheNaxKian Sysop 16:38, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
Probably some Kurzick rank thingy that doesnt show up in PvX bar that affects leadership. I is *Jebus*IAmJebussig3Enter my contests! 17:54, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
nope. same with luxon. ☆Imbagon♥McSteve☆(LVPoW) Cuz Steve said so... ツ 18:03, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
Doesn't work with TNTF, must be something to do with pve skills. Ojamo (>.<(O=(- -Q) 18:06, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
(EC)hmm it might be linked to the PvE rank. even if you put @3 it doesn't change anything (it doesn't even show what the duration should be). Just leave it a while, Hippo or GCard will see this eventually, amd if it's our code they'll fix it. If it's GWBBcode, i've left GCard a message asking him to update to the new version (with their being a new version) hopefully it's been fixed in that version. if not then just tough I guess =p, not much we can do. PheNaxKian Sysop 18:09, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
IIRC, leadership energy bonuses don't show up with energy-based shouts. But I could be wrong. – talkInfidel sigcontribs 13:42, 6 December 2008 (EST)

<pvxbig>[[theyre on fire@10]</pvxbig>

Its the energy cost is underlined like in the above link, while it isnt underlined in TNTF. --- Monk-icon-Ressmonkey Ressmonkey (talk) 13:46, 6 December 2008 (EST)
oic. – talkInfidel sigcontribs 15:35, 6 December 2008 (EST)

PvXbig links

More of a suggestion than anything. Basically when you use PvXbig without the build information (so you can get a mouseover description of a skill, like this: <pvxbig>[[glyph of lesser energy@0]</pvxbig> which is <pvxbig>[[glyph of lesser energy@0]</pvxbig>) it would be nice if when you clicked on it, it linked to the GWW article. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 13:32, 6 December 2008 (EST)

It does for me. --Frosty 13:35, 6 December 2008 (EST)
thanks for tricking me phen. --Frosty 13:36, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Any recent problems

with builds not showing up where they are posted? I put mine in the testing section, and only 1 actually showed up there, duno why MuffinPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 23:46, 11 December 2008 (EST)

what builds in particular, i'll look through the deleted/moved builds...? (also putting a space at the star of your message is the equvilent to <pre>) ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 12:24, 12 December 2008 (EST)
ok i made a build in my userpage, then added testing section template, then moved it to Build: whatever, however it does not show up. I did however find out that after all this u gotta click edit and click save page again to make it show up, kinda wierd and redundant MuffinPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 18:19, 12 December 2008 (EST)
If it has something to do with categories, they don't undate instantly. It can take a while, especially on big wikis. 145.94.74.23 03:27, 15 December 2008 (EST)
it only updates after i click edit and save page without changing anything again. Tried it numerous times, duno why MuffinPWNAGEMUFFIN crabs 00:55, 16 December 2008 (EST)
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