HB/TA Builds

I'd like peoples opinions on what to do with TA and HB builds when they're removed from GW (e.g. would you like to archive them all, archive only the great and the odd notable good or just delete them all etc.). ~ PheNaxKian talk 19:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Archive. Edit: Archive it all, with the vetting update we don't save much horrible stuff anyways. Also, I damn you for ruining my "First", I was waiting for you to finish editing before doing that. ---Chaos- 19:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Archive most of the ones that actually saw play. Anything that was just vetted on theorycraft should be deleted. Life Guardian 19:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Just archive it all, HB was retarded. Misery CowMisery Says Moo 17:54, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
it was in fact so retarded that i could lose to 3 IW dervs and an IW mes :< Brandnew 17:57, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
bring more snares! also, i'd only archive great. who the cares about anything that wasn't abused to fuck? ··· Dannycbf 18:33, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Suppress Redirect

Suppressing Redirects is moving pages without leaving a redirect behind. Angela said here that it's possible, but allows for pagemove vandalism. My suggestion is to allow it to registered users who have made X contributions, and just banhammer people who abuse it.

  1. Do we want Suppress Redirect?
  2. Is limiting the authorization possible? I'd suppose it can easily be allowed to the same people that are allowed to vote.

---Chaos- 20:43, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Why exactly do we need it? If the admins do their jobs, then they should be able to do what GWW does and just delete the redirects (however, assuming that admins will do their jobs here is a pretty big "IF"). KJ badge sig 20:49, 8 September 2009
How many pages are moved on GWW? Honestly a LOT of pages are moved around here, and leaving a redirect is sometimes a good idea (for pages that have lots of links to them). Besides I bet GWW people tag every moved page for deletion, unlike here. --Frosty Mc Admin 20:51, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
I do it when I cba, but there's so many of them :> if people l2watchlist it shouldn't even be necessary. I move considerably less pages than I would, because I hate redirects over all. ---Chaos- 20:55, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Nah, fuck it. You don't need it. I don't even use it. Misery CowMisery Says Moo 21:07, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

^ KJ badge sig 21:11, 8 September 2009

I can't think of a time I wanted to not have a redirect, except in the main namespace. Most of the time, I've created redirects, if anything. ··· Dannycbf 22:44, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

it would primarily be used for misnamed builds or something I would assume. You're still capable of leaving a redirect if you want (you just don't check the box that says "suppress redirect"). Ignoring point one in any cayse, it is possiable to restrict it to a certain degree; it's a case of saying people in a given user group can have it. In this case you're wanting people who can vote, which would be people in auto confirmed (so the account is ~4 days old and made ~4 contributions). ~ PheNaxKian talk 22:54, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
The only reason I see for not having it is not needing it, but I'd imagine, at least on this wiki, having it would probably do more good than bad in the end. ··· Dannycbf 23:06, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
@KJ up there: Template:Miniskillbar. Over a month old tag. There's even older tags than that one, too. Big "IF" indeed. --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 14:41, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
We don't do our jobs :> Misery CowMisery Says Moo 15:18, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
Aye. Having Suppress Redirect will ofc and undoubtedly be useful, but do you consider it being available for autoconfirmed users a risk? The question shouldn't really be if we want it (yes, I know I asked it), but more like if the risks are actual and do we want to take themmmmmmmmmmmmm? ---Chaos- 15:32, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
Jist take the 10 active users on this stupid site, throw them in a new group, and give them suppress redirect. Life Guardian 15:38, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
Probably more sensible, I wouldn't trust the masses with it. AthrunAthrun SigFeya 15:40, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
I'm clearly missing something, but what are you all afraid they'll do with this? >.> ~ PheNaxKian talk 16:07, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
You're not the only one missing it :> Redirect suppression only makes reverting easier. --- VipermagiSig -- (contribs) (talk) 16:21, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
I don't actually understand how it is used for "move vandalism", you would then just move it back instead of having to delete all the redirects. But I oppose to be an asshole. Misery CowMisery Says Moo 16:30, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

being able to suppress redirects on a site people care about could be an issue because temporary page outages. here, no one's gonna give a flying fuck because in the 15 seconds it takes to move a build that anyone has watchlisted back, no one's going to visit it. ··· Dannycbf 20:10, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

If I move say, Relyk's userpage and all the subpages to "Category:åäö", you can't just move it back (because it's a category space), and I don't know how well they can be moved back if the vandal is good. ---Chaos- 10:22, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
the problem there being only admins can "move all subpages". ~ PheNaxKian talk 10:41, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
I have a memory of an IP doing that, but it might've been before the wikia move. Dunno. ---Chaos- 10:42, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
when we first moved to wikia it was available to everyone, so we had a couple of vandals that targeted BM/Admin pages and moved all subpages. We contacted wikia around then and asked them to make it admin only (which they did). ~ PheNaxKian talk 10:48, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
Oki, then I don't think there is anything to stop us from either giving this to autoconfirmed users, or create a new usergroup for those who want it. ---Chaos- 11:01, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

bumping this. ··· Danny Pew Pew 19:52, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

Useful when moving builds tbh.--TheShortOneKlhksjdnfsig $ɧor₮ talk 19:54, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
From what I've seen none has seen it as a threat, and we have quite many people who support it. What's the problem? ---Chaos is gay - 09:01, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
^---Chaos- (talk) -- 15:49, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
unless anyone has any reason not to I see no reason you can't have it (or request to have it). ~ PheNaxKian talk 16:08, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
I don't think Angela would mind giving it to autoconfirmed users, since none sees it as a threat and it doesn't allow for serious pagemove vandalism with subpage moving being limited to admins. She already said she could do it if we just agree on it not being dumbbbb. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 16:18, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


  1. ··· Danny Pew Pew 20:04, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
  2. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 20:06, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
  3. --Jaigoda endrant Jaiwritesalot . . . 20:18, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
  4. ToraenTheJanitorToraenSig2 03:19, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
  5. Random person says yes. Zyke-Sig 06:32, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
  6. --TheShortOneKlhksjdnfsig $ɧor₮ talk 07:14, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


  1. Misery CowMisery Says Moo 06:26, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
  2. not needed now we have a superjanitor - AthrunFeya Athrun snow sig 10:11, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
Seeing as how the superjanitor supported it? Maybe he's human too? ---Chaos- (talk) -- 10:15, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
It would be srsly nice if I didn't have to delete a redirect everytime someone didn't read PvX:NAME. ToraenTheJanitorToraenSig2 23:21, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


Is voting really necessary tho? There's no harm of it and some people want it. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 20:06, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

i figure it'll help coerce the proper people into putting this change into motion. ··· Danny Pew Pew 20:23, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
I thought of that too tho, so feel free. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 20:24, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

HB and TA Removal

Ok so TA and HB are going, this means we are going to have to change the front page to remove those sections from view. I believe all the TA and HB builds which are currently vetted should be archived when the update happens (obvious reason is obvious). So when the update comes, Archive HB and TA builds, some builds however will be multi arena (ie ones made for say, RA and TA), in which case, simply remove the TA/HB tag.

Now we are sure that SD is coming tonight too, which will mean we MAY have a lot of people coming here posting SD builds, which I have to say I will be against, I feel we should leave SD builds because of the obvious reasons (constantly changing skill availability and to promote people actually playing SD properly, by making their own builds). I have nothing against people making their own SD builds in their Userspaces but the Build main space should be SD free. Ofcourse, any of you who feel differently or agree, please post, there be a lot of work ahead! --Frosty Frostcharge 09:51, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Agree, no SD pages as things currently stand. What may be appropriate is ONE SD page. If as rumours have indicated, decks cycle weekly, then we could have one guide page similar to our Nick item farming guide briefly describing the shape of the meta each week, if anyone can be fucked to update it. Misery CowMisery Says Moo 10:06, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
you don't have too many pages to archive (around 100 in total, which if you have a couple of people working on it is easily done). I've not checked testing and trial builds but i can't see there being loads. Removing the 2 from the front page is easily done. I'm happy with not having a SD section, it would be impractical to do so. I just want to bring to attention the guide section for these areas, what do you want to do with them (and their respective portals)? (we do have an archived guide template so we can "archive" them) Would we also make a SD guide section? (it might just be a case of having maps and tactics and that's it, but would it be worth making). ~ PheNaxKian talk 10:57, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Yea, archive the TA and HB guides, and make an SD one. I will be happy to help make it. Also misery, maybe it would be a good idea to just have mini skill bars up of "obvious" builds. Even then I think it would be better to just not have anything, because if it comes to the stage where people come to PvX looking for SD builds, we have kinda broken the idea of SD. --Frosty Frostcharge 11:02, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
GOOD! Maybe that will make the fuckers switch to daily decks. Misery CowMisery Says Moo 11:34, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Depending on how the Sealed Deck system works, it would probably be more sensible to have a single guide page about it with the current skills listed in a section near the bottom. It might be beneficial to some people to be able to view the skills available in SD without having to have access to GWs. For instance, Misery and I could discuss builds at work. :> C:\PvX>Abort, Retry, Panic?Panic Sig Cursor 12:53, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
That's not a bad idea, I would be happy to update that, it could be called something like "This weeks current deck", kinda depends when it updates per week though. --Frosty Frostcharge 12:56, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
I'm not really sure how sealed deck works (beyond "here's some skills, make your bars and kill the other team"), but i would imagine having a list of available skills would be quite large, and it could indeed be difficult to update (depending how often they switch skills, I imagine it's weekly (and it has been implied by Linsey this is the case) but they haven't confirmed it). ~ PheNaxKian talk
I wouldn't really care how large the list is. --Frosty Frostcharge 13:05, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
(EC)If there's a certain set of skills per profession/day/week, there's gonna be profession's of the day/week, I'd guess. And that's either bad or good ;o SD meta :> ---Chaos- (talk) -- 13:07, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Removing TA/HB tags from builds would be the same as deleting single-area tags, since none will ever see that say, a RA monk build was used in TA too. Could the TA/HB categories just be made into some sort of archive categories? Then we'd archive the HB/TA-only builds. It's tricky, but the best for documentation. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 13:08, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

I am fairly sure there are HB and TA categories for archived builds (like there are for every area). --Frosty Frostcharge 13:12, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
I pretty much just meant that TA/HB tags wouldn't be removed from builds. Ignore the rest, I'm not in shape of thinking. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 13:14, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
(ec)A good idea would be to make a new version of this for both TA and HB, that way it can be edited to say "Many of the builds listed here were archived due to the removal of TA/HB. Or we could simply edit that template to state some builds are archived due to area removal. Also, [1]] there you go chaos. --Frosty Frostcharge 13:16, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
we can jsut use the current tag and put the reason as "Play type removed" (or how ever you want to word it) ~ PheNaxKian talk 13:20, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I said to start with, then Chaos wanted to make things complicated I think. That's the best idea imo. --Frosty Frostcharge 13:29, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
(EC)"This category contains all builds that were designed for Hero Battles and were once in favor, but were either nerfed into oblivion or replaced by more superior builds." = Issue #1, must mention the game type being removed.
Issue #2 is likely fixable by modifying templates into linking the TA-tag to archived builds. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 13:31, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
All that would need doing is to archive HB and TA builds and leave a note on the Archive page saying "This area was removed on the 23rd of October 2009, due to this, all of the builds that were vetted at the time were archived". --Frosty Frostcharge 13:36, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Modify Great/Good templates to link to TA/HB archives instead of "Great" category? This is assuming we don't just remove tags from builds for areas outside HB/TA AND SCREW UP OUR DOCUMENTATION!!!1 ---Chaos- (talk) -- 13:47, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

So then we have builds tagged for area's that don't exist, don't think so. If the build was only good/great for the arena it gets archived (if it has an RA tag it stays great in RA), maybe add a note saying "This was Great/Good in TA/HB before it was removed on the 23rd of October". --Frosty Frostcharge 14:01, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Which goes under the Notes section? I'm fine with that. ---Chaos- (talk) -- 14:03, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Do we really give a shit if people don't know that the RA WoH monk used to also be good in TA? The build will still be recorded. Just remove the TA/HB tags, archive pure builds. The information is still there in a page that hasn't been deleted. Misery CowMisery Says Moo 14:07, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
^ Exactly --Frosty Frostcharge 14:15, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Daily, cool. Just let the GWW muppets record shit. Misery CowMisery Says Moo 23:01, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

hay gais

I know we're all excited for this, but if we wanna make things real easy we could just make the current template display TA and HB in a gray color. We could archive TA- and HB-only builds and leave the rest of the builds the way they are. ··· Danny Pew Pew 19:53, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Give me an example of what you mean, I think you mean make it so the TA or HB thing on the great/good tag comes up and gray(and black lets say), but I may have misinterpreted. --Frosty Frostcharge 19:59, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
  • PvP
meh. i can't get the style just right but you get it. ··· Danny Pew Pew 20:13, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Yea that's what I thought, I still think removing the tags is better though. --Frosty Frostcharge 20:17, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
its more of an effort to remove the tags, but it only has to be done once, and then its fine forever, so we might as well work our way through it. i remember there was something about adding a tag to every image in the database, and many members were nice enough to help out like KJ and Frosty, we can do the same thing here. Gringo 20:20, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
I'm goign to agree with gringo, while it's a bit harder, it's better to jsut remove the tags. there still is an "add a tag to all images neccassary", it still needs doing =p (i go through some when i have some time to kill) ~ PheNaxKian talk 21:10, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Ok all the HB and TA tags have been removed or builds archived, necessary pages deleted and the main page updated. Is there anything else to do other than a news update maybe? --Frosty Frostcharge 00:38, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Dont think so. All thats left is figuring out if we're going to keep sealed deck builds. Depends if the decks cycle or if it's random every time. Would be pretty difficult to keep track of even if they did cycle. UWSC is also fucked up atm. We need to figure out the new metas for each area. Life Guardian 00:45, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
I swear UW is only changing for the Haloween event. And we aren't keeping SD builds, they change every week, and I think we should promote build making for such an arena. --Frosty Frostcharge 00:47, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
Change daily actually. I also doubt that the uwsc changes will be reverted after halloween. Life Guardian 00:48, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

User:Karate Jesus/Build Pack Sign-Up. Get working ;o ---Chaos- (talk) -- 19:37, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

unsteady elementalist

build page not working, gives some weird error. this:

FMK- 04:07, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
Fixed. 04:41, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

HM Builds

Hey all, someone recently asked if we could add a HM tag for builds. We've had this conversation in the past a few times, and it's always decided not to. It's been a while since this last came up, so I see no reason not to have another discussion about it and see what you all think. Just a note on this, it would be easy to implement, so there's nothing to worry about there. ~ PheNaxKian talk 12:07, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'd be for it. More categories means simpler searches. ··· Danny So Cute 18:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Support. ----~Short~ 18:23, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
So then we'd start storing NM buildds as well?
Brb, claiming Build:Team - NM Metawaywith 8x
Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Brandnew 19:12, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
Well this is what we're discussing, do we want a HM tag, or do we just generally say if it doesn't work in HM that we don't want it? If we had it and we stored NM builds, i'd imagine it would just be a case of if it doesn't have a HM tag, then it's designed for NM. *I don't care either way at this point btw* ~ PheNaxKian talk 19:17, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
I'd argue that if it doesn't work in hard mode it's not worth keeping. With the exception of a few specific farming builds, iIf it works in hard mode it works better than a dedicated normal mode build would by definition--TahiriVeila 19:19, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
No point really - most builds work in both, just need a couple of variants. Andy 19:31, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Realistically, there's only a couple of farming builds that don't work in HM - that's about it, everything else is fine in HM so I don't think its worth creating another category, or even another tag (similar to the dungeon ones) since the pages are already getting too busy. In fact everything is currently for hard mode, except the running build for the first half of Slavers (which doesnt need to be for HM), farming builds (doesn't matter if they're HM or NM for certain things) and some elite area heroway builds. No changes need to be made imo. - AthrunFeya - 20:36, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Disregard my initial support. For some reason, I was thinking there was a point to going into NM. ··· Danny So Cute 21:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

^ exactly. I don't see a point in separating the two. Hopefully most of our PvE builds are for HM. If they don't work in HM, then they may work in NM, but who cares? If it does work in HM, then you know it'll roll NM. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 16:20, 29 January 2010
There technically was a "normal mode-only" builds section called "Other", but was dropped due to being inferior compared to Great/Good builds designed for both modes. ^_^ -- 04:40, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Password Reset & accounts

Hi, were the old accounts ported across to wikia, and should I be able to recover/reset the password?, Could just be an email glitch but I'd like to avoid creating multiple accounts if I can :) -- Nela / 20:15, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hey! when we moved to wikia there were a few changes with account names:
  1. If the account name on PvX existed on Wikia, the username became "PVX-Username" (not to sure if it's "PVX" or "PvX" though, off the top of my head)
  2. If the account on PvX existed on wikia, and you were the owner of both, you could request a merge (I Take it this isn't the case with you)
  3. Finally, if your username on PvX wasn't already registered on Wikia, it was simply ported across as is.
As for password, I'm fairly sure there's a "forgot my password" link on the login in screen =). Hope that helps. ~ PheNaxKian talk 20:37, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply, all my history/etc was ported to User:Nela, but since I can't recover a password on that account I've created PVX-Nela. -- PVX-Nela 21:39, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
is there a reason you can't recover the password? ~ PheNaxKian talk 21:51, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
Not aware of any obvious reason, but there's countless possibilities like Yahoo mail going funny on me again :) -- PVX-Nela 04:03, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
hmm odd. All i can say to that is check it over the next few days (and your spam folder as well). If it doesn't work you could try contacting wikia though I'm not sure how much help they'll be =s. ~ PheNaxKian talk 11:39, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Moving Pages

I need to move a page to the trial for ra and ab and stuff and i but the trial box in there but it doesnt show up The preceding unsigned comment was added by Caplan (talk • contribs) 14:01, May 21, 2010 (UTC).

You can move a build by clicking the "move" tab at the top of the page. In order to get the "trial box", you need to add the following tag - {{Untested-Trial|AB|RA}} Karate KJ for sig Jesus 14:01, 21 May 2010

I still have the box and everything and have it moved to it's own build page i just can't get it to show up under the trial page under ra and stuff

A healthy community project!

[2]. --DANDY ^_^ -- 18:10, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Another one! ---Chaos- (moo!) -- 10:22, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Moving from Wikia

Hey everyone. As you all know wikia are implementing their new skin over the next few weeks. At the same time they're making various other changes (such as phasing out monaco (I believe monobook will stay, but they've not expressly said so in the last post, so it's anyone's guess).

Now Guild wiki have been talking about leaving wikia (click the link for more info). Guild wiki's don't appear to be the only ones contemplating this (WoWiki is thinking about it as well it seems).

While (assuming monobook stays and the wikiwide css/js still function for monobook) chances are we'll be, for the most, unaffected, I'd like to suggest we follow suit (I'd also rather not live with that assumption, it's a whole one wiki that's keeping monobook there atm, so it could happen later down the line anyway =/).

If we moved to another host (see the GW link for the various ones that they're looking at ( seems the favoured one currently)) we'd get to keep monobook. There'd probably be the odd ads here and there, but nothing major. In some cases they also allow us to run the wiki (so we could set up additional extensions, and possibly update the skill DB (including implementing improvements such as making PvP skills work properly) manually).

Just a quick note on one specificaly: This is the place that the Guild Wars Guru forums recently moved to. Obviously if both GW and PvX moved there, that'd be a huge plus for all sites (we'd probably all get a bit more traffic, which is always nice).

Anyway, this is my small rant/wall of text. The idea is that I'd like to see what the community thinks of this. ~ PheNaxKian talk 21:51, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not overtly trusting of Curse, personally. But anything has to be better than Wikia. I'm all for jumping ship. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 01:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm in. Wikia's got a few nice guys, but, for the most part, it's a conglomerate of overly bureaucratic assholes - or at least that's what they come off as. Daññy 02:17, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
Fine by me, even though my opinion really amounts to nothing here. --Jai. - 02:59, October 1 2010 (UTC)
Talking to curse now, they're pretty chill. They just want one ad and they won't touch our skin, and they'll let us update our skill database as we wish.
They mentioned the possibility of having to make new accounts once we're there. The user database would be our own, so we wouldn't have to compete with other wikis or anything, but that might be annoying. Getting a database dump would help the process immensely, but we probably can't get one from Wikia. Does anyone have an old one lying around? Did we make some before the Wikia move? -Auron 03:23, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
I doubt we made one. Phen would know. Curse sounds good. The sooner the better. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 03:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
^I really want to be able to fix/update the pvxbig extension ourselves. And not have a horrible fixed-width layout that would require us to restructure every page. --Toraen 03:56, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
The skill bars fit well within the fixed width; most pages look fine. The portals would need some redesign. For now, only the main namespace gets the sidebar, so the Build: namespace and the others are ok; but of course Wikia might notice and extend that to all content namespaces later.
I'm running the New Look right now and can provide screenshots; please request on my talkpage. I've never used URL modification so much to get where I need to be going than with this skin (though working on an answers wiki came close). The interface is awful, the important links are strewen all over the page, if they exist at all. Avoid at all costs! --◄mendel► 07:45, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not really expecting that Wikia will leave other namespaces alone for very long. --Toraen 19:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Special:Statistics has a request button that creates a current article database dump some time later (if it isn't broken again). However, the "real" database the wiki runs on has a lot more information; there won't be user data in it. Unless GCardinal or whoever had server access back then exported the "real" database, you probably won't get the user database. If you have the images in a zip, they can be imported into the new wiki easily; I'd use AWB to get a listing of File: namespace (with the "make list" tool) and turn that into a list of Media: links, have the wiki process that and feed the resulting list of URLs into a download manager to get a full image backup. (post on my talk if you're attempting to follow these instructions and find them unclear (which is all too probable)). --◄mendel► 07:50, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
New accounts? Dose this mean banned users will have a second chance? Will voting be affected or stay the same? Just wondering what we will loose when we gain other features.--XTREME 11:58, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
Most banned users won't come back, we can ban any that bother. I'm pretty lenient with banned people as long as they reform and don't do stupid shit (like igor), but it's the ones that make a new account and just get banned again that I have problems with.
Voting will be the same - we'll have all the extensions we currently do. I'm not sure about the image/video embedding yet, I think it's a popular feature, but it's wikia's invention afaik so we'll have to get curse to put in something similar on the new wiki (if we go over).
Anyone mind throwing a sitenotice up? We shouldn't make this decision without input from more people. -Auron 12:14, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • Rask. Igor has been well behaved.
Chances are Wikia released it as an actual MW extension, so it can be downloaded from MW and installed.
I threw one up last night, it didn't appear for me, but it showed up on my alter ego account (before I get "OMG you're socking!" it's completely obvious that it's me and I never use the account for anything other than test purposes >>).
I believe mendel has said everything about DB dumps =). ~ PheNaxKian talk 12:48, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good, abandoning wikia at the earliest possible convenience sounds wonderful. We should have done it years ago xD My only question is to whether or not curse will be as hands off as they say, didn't they impose some new moderation requirements on guru when they switched over to curse?--TahiriVeila@fandom 15:42, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
Fuck Wikia. @fandom@fandom@fandom@fandom@fandom@fandom--Jai.@fandom - 18:50, October 1 2010 (UTC)

If we can find another place, then ye obviously. It can't be much worse than this :p --DANDY ^_^ -- 19:09, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

We moved to wikia so we didn't have to pay for the servers and (partially) to follow suit with guildwiki. It would be worth moving to curse just so we can update the database though, I think it puts many visitors off that we can't "bother" to keep the skills updated on time.--Relyk talk 20:05, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
*sigh* That wasn't the case =/. We had no trouble with paying for the server with ads (hence why we stuck with them for a while). We moved simply because GCardinal couldn't be bothered (i's simplifying a lot, basically RL got in his way) to continue maintaining the site, so he decided that it was better to move to wikia where they could continually maintain the wiki (i.e. update MW software which was neglected for a long time (hence why we got hacked and lost 2 weeks of data)).
As for Curse. I can't say how hands on they'll be with the wiki on this end, but they seem like they'll help out back end from what i've been told (so if we're having a bit of trouble with something they'll have someone lend a hand). ~ PheNaxKian talk 20:14, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
"cba" = humanely can't pay ~200$/month or sth, iirc :D Maybe I remember wrong tho --DANDY ^_^ -- 20:17, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
I was under the impression pvx was barely getting by on ads but of course i didn't really pay attention back then...--Relyk talk 20:27, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Would moving break our interwiki links, or is that stored as a shortcut somewhere (i.e. there's a thing somewhere that parses [[gww:Frenzy]] to [], similar to {{CURRENTTIME}} parsing as it does)?

If both GuildWiki and PvX were hosted by Curse, could we have the skill data stored in one place? Could we even theoretically pull skill data straight from GuildWiki's skill pages?

For clarification - we moved mostly because Gcard wasn't going to put up with us. Hosting a wiki is apparently expensive when you have a house and family to worry about (not that I'd know). He felt he didn't have the money to support hosting costs - and I'm sure we all remember the disaster that was the donation trial - or the time to code up site-specific things (anyone remember <pvxmicro>?) and for whatever reason didn't want to involve other people. I think there were a few more reasons, but they were all more on the personal side.

Updating the mediawiki software was postponed for so long at least partially because the ratings extension wasn't compatible, as I recall.

I personally am not fond of Curse, but it's good enough for Boub, and I'll be running around with ABP anyway.

-- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 21:47, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

I was under the impression that a lot of GCard's issues stemmed from a private hosting environment (i.e. an expensive hosting package). The gww: links are parsed and could be applied, and yes, theoretically we could pull information from the GWiki db if Curse were to let us. I don't know MediaWiki API, but I can't imagine any of these things would be terribly difficult. -- Danny is not@fandom 23:09, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
(EC)I believe all inter-wiki links are stored in some file server side (index.php probably >>), so they can be re-added if needed.
It's possible, we could inquire about it. As long we can edit the DB ourselves, or Curse keep ontop of it, i don't see a huge issue though.
I get money was an issue, but I don't like the insinuation that money was the only reason.
Yeh, i remember, but i was just pointing out that GCard didn't have the time (as you mentioned because of RL) to sort out the compatibility problem so we could update.
Can i inquire as to why you dislike them? ~ PheNaxKian talk 23:11, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
I haven't heard a lot about Curse, other than Inde telling me that they restricted Guru's FTP access. However, it sounds like wikia did the same to you guys, so that's a non-issue. --Riddle@fandom 01:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
My dislike of curse is mostly petty. I don't like some of their site layouts, I'm not fond of some members of their community, etc etc etc. The other reasons for Gcard leaving are less professional, so I didn't want to mention them. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 04:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
ah, fair enough. Well obviously if we stay here we have monobook (which I believe they intend to remove some functionality from (or support of or something)) and Oasis (the new skin). Curse would let is have monobook or any other variety of skins that come default (not Monaco or Oasis obviously, they're wikia specific), we could even get Vector (wikipedia skin) if we wanted (it's part of the most recent MW update).
Fair enough, I'm not bothered about specifics, it wouldn't be fair to those involved. It was more just so people didn't think Money was the only factor for the move >>;;. ~ PheNaxKian talk 14:02, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
I am interested in Wikia's stand on this issue or even if they care.--XTREME 13:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
they won't comment. They said that they'd rather not comment on each community separate discussion. (see the GWiki link). ~ PheNaxKian talk 14:03, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

conversations with Curse

just to let you guys know, we've had a few conversations with Curse to get an idea of things. Auron asked most things we needed to know. I also Just spoke to Donovan, and the key points from that conversation are:

  1. PvX extension. Select users will have access to the PvX extension (not just the Skill Database). So we can tinker with that and make those adjustments that are needed (see: PvP skills)
  2. Software. They will install all Mediawiki updates, and extensions.
  3. Their pressence. They will have little presence on wiki. It will be mostly hosting.

I think that answers most questions we have, but if anyone's concerned about anything leave it here and we can check up on it =). ~ PheNaxKian talk 16:19, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

so, are there at all any negatives to moving to curse, compared to wikia? Brandnew @fandom 16:23, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
asides from re-registering, and a decent DB-set back (if i got that right from that convo.) --Brandnew @fandom 16:28, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Sounds fucking fantastic. Why didn't we do this a year and a half ago?--TahiriVeila 16:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Curse wasn't as big. They just acquired MMO-Champ, that's something that requires a fair amount of money. They're probably pretty happy with themselves right now and thinking about grabbing a few more big wikis. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 17:14, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
also, Guildwiki was here, which was an added bonus. ~ PheNaxKian talk 20:29, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
So hold on a sec....let me get this straight...Auron's name is Matt? This move has my support. I will still look into things just to make sure there won't be any hangups.--XTREME 19:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
So would we be using a DB dump from what mendel said or try and get an earlier one if Gcardinal or someone has it? I'm sure re-registering isn't really a big deal for anyone on the site though--Relyk not@Wikia 21:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Ideally we'd get a copy from Wikia so we have everything up to date, and all infromation that we need (including user information). However if not I'd be inclined to say that we'd get the most recent DB dump (currently January, but Auron's requested a new one). What we'd get from GCard (provided he still had it lying around) would be so out of date that it wouldn't be worth it jsut save re registering or w/e. ~ PheNaxKian talk 22:38, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
My contributions! Boo fucking hoo :p --DANDY ^_^ -- 22:46, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Not sure if PvX has tried this before, but couldn't we potentially ask ANet for use of the namespace for the wiki? They already maintain GWW without ads or intrusion into the wiki's workings and we might not even need to mess with the skills database, as GWW already has them. Plus it'd be nice for accessibility and promotion of the site. All moot if it's been tried and failed before, but figured I'd toss it out there. --    Gah     QQ  ·  I did wut?!   22:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
No we can't, copyright licenses are in the way. ~ PheNaxKian talk 23:31, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good. Have we discussed a timeframe? Karate KJ for sig Jesus 02:44, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I believe so. They're happy to start any time and I think they said it'd take about a week (though i could be wrong on that last part). But obviously people are still discussing so we've not started (because there may be something that changes our mind yet). ~ PheNaxKian talk 15:45, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

moo 19:15, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

"Forking", as they call it

Just wanted to let you guys know that Wikia isn't making leaving easy on us. They have decided to refuse to do database dumps for other wikis and are referring to the sites that leave as "Forks" rather than admitting that we're leaving.

They fully plan on retaining our site once we go. Is there anyway for us to prevent this? I'm thinking that there has to be a way to get Anet to deny them copyrights or have whoever owns BBcode deny them access to it. Right?

Two PvXs shouldn't exist. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 19:24, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

How exactly are they going to retain the site? They won't have anyone to contribute, submit builds etc. Crap we never have skill updates. The current pvx will be up to date for like a year. Life Guardian 19:45, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
We could always just blank like 90% of the wiki, no? Or just wtfvandalise it or something. It wouldn't have any serious contributors, so I don't really see how they could do much to stop it. Either way, the Wikia people are dipshits. --Jai. - 19:52, October 3 2010 (UTC)
There isn't exactly a way to deny them anything (except what I'll talk about below), but we could just make the Main Page link to the new wiki and then have everyone go inactive. By Wikia's own rules, they can't just give someone else BCrat because Auron would have to approve any new admins or BCrats. (Although, that's not to say they can't just kick everyone, but I'm gonna go ahead and say that that'd be a poor decision on their part for multiple reasons.) See, the nice thing about CC-BY-NC-SA is that, while we don't technically own the contributions on here, neither does Wikia.
Regarding images, though, ANet could simply revoke permission for Wikia to use skill icons and they would legally not be able to use them anymore. Depending on how and whether GCard licensed his Rating system, they could be legally bound to not use that anymore, either, if GCard desired that they did not. -- Danny is not @fandom 19:53, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
Due to the licensing, there is no way to prevent them keeping it, or even making a new one. Suck it up. One important consideration is who owns the domain. If it is still GCardinal he can change the redirect, otherwise this is pretty much PvX forever. I suspect most of our traffic comes from there. We could also carefully vandalise in such a way that wikia staff wouldn't know if we were making it retarded (swapping all instances of Frenzy with Tiger Stance or something, making SS spear our best rated build, trashing all great and meta builds). That is the sum total of our options. We are basically forking rather than leaving. Leaving isn't possible. The pages are released under the license they are released. Misery 19:57, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
Merely fucking up the mainpage so that nobody can navigate anywhere should get us far. --DANDY ^_^ -- 21:15, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
Redirect all links to goatse. Or just redirect all links to new pvx with a small explaination regarding the stuff left here. Zyke 21:41, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
In response to Danny/Mis, I suggest that we contact whoever owns the copyright on gwBBcode (Auron knows) and ask if they will refuse to allow Wikia to use it. And before we go, we could always completely dismember the site, ban every single user who tries to edit permanently, and add a link to our new page. If GCard still owns the domain for, then that would go a long way too. Iirc, that's how Anet has us listed as a fansite. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 21:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and btw, I knew that this wiki would remain. I was more or less hoping their would be a way to fuck over wikia (with Anet's image copyrights or BBcode copyrights or something). I wonder if they would let us just make the main page one gigantic link to the new PvX. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 22:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
(EC)....*sigh*, OK:
  1. we don't use gwBBCode as such, we use a heavily edited version of it which was edited even more when we moved to Wikia. probably to such an extent you couldn't really call it a copyright violation of gwBBCode.
  2. Wikia can roll back the site...for when people do stuff like that...
  3. Adding a link to the new site's the best think i've heard yet. Replacing the main page with "Moved to: XYZ" works great.
  4. No, he sold the rights to the domain to wikia when we moved. As such Wikia owns the domain As such we also need a new domain name if we move to curse.
That's it really. ~ PheNaxKian talk 22:05, October 3, 2010 (UTC) is taken unfortunately. Zyke 23:54, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
The skill icons could still be made into a copyright violation though. Also, maybe a bot that leaves a message on everybody's talk page telling them of the move? –BalisticSigalistic 04:37, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Too bad Anet wouldn't bother hosting pvxwiki. We could just put a notice that pvx moved and explain why there are two wikis would be sufficient for anyone who uses pvx. I don't think we should put effort into alienating people from the original site, they'll just be looking at outdated builds (and skills unless they stop updates). Not sure many people use the site for more than copypasting skill templates anyways.--Relyk not@Wikia 06:32, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
If they own the domain, we are fucked. That's the way I see it. Oh well, the game is dead, why don't we just let the wiki die too? Also, the whole point of subtle vandalism is that they wouldn't know where to rollback to. Redirecting to goatse is an epicly bad idea. Misery 07:29, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Well, then subtle vandalism it is, I guess. Once we move, we can just make all of our builds ridiculous and put a link on the main page (they have no right to change that). We'll need to contact Anet and see if they would be willing to change their link to our fansite.
We can announce it on Guru and other fansites, but Mis is right, w/o we're kind of fucked. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 12:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Fuck being fucked ^___^ the word will spread pretty fast if we're backed up by other sites, so let's be optimistic. Besides, it doesn't rly matter that much if links to a new site. --DANDY ^_^ -- 13:10, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
If we just put a link to the new wiki, I'm sure we'll be perfectly fine... And it's not like this place is hopping right now anyway. All the regulars will move, and any non-retards will come with us, and I'm guessing not much will change, except we won't have to deal with wikiatards. --Jai. - 13:13, October 4 2010 (UTC)
Check their licensing specifically for this - are they allowed to withhold information? They are supposedly running on a by-nc-sa license, which doesn't allow them to prevent our wiki from getting a database dump of our wiki. Part of Wikia's whole gimmick, aside from being money-grubbing jews, is that they're all open source about everything. If they're specifically not giving us a database dump, that entire claim is moot.
They have every right to keep this wiki running without sysops or contributors, but do they have a right to not give us what we own (our contributions are our intellectual copyright - their license doesn't allow them to refuse us our work)? -Auron 13:43, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Well, it's not so much that they're "refusing" to do database dumps, but they don't do them on an individual basis, and last I checked the Special:Page that dumps our database was broken (so are many other sites).
It belongs somewhere in the realm of conspiracy theories, but that doesn't change the problem. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 14:05, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Nevermind, the database dump page is back up. Apparently someone from WoWWiki gave them shit about it being down. It's from January 7th, 2010, though. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 14:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm aware, I have that copy on my harddrive. Also get your black ass on msn sometime. -Auron 14:38, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Them owning isn't really a huge blow, since they will get directed to the wikia page ( and on there we will have a blooming big message telling people to go to the site at Curse. frostels 14:55, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Reaching Consensus on Curse

Those for leaving Wikia and joining Curse:

  1. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 14:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
  2. lol wikia. --DANDY ^_^ -- 15:00, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  3. brbleavingwikia - Frostels.
  4. Sounds like the grass might be greener on the other side. Guess we'll never know unless we try? -- Danny is not @fandom 15:16, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  5. Not liee any other host could be worse than wikia.--TahiriVeila 15:26, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  6. We hadn't already left? --Brandnew @fandom 15:30, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  7. Hello. Oneshot -- 16:07, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  8. unlike wikia, curse isn't run by 12 year old with crayons. Athrun Feya 16:24, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  9. ^ Lau says it the I like girls. 16:34, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Those against leaving Wikia and joining Curse:

  1. ...
  2. ...
  3. ...

This isn't consensus and KJ is an idiot for trying to vote on a wiki:

  1. Misery 16:27, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
  2. ...

For more information on the pros or cons of joining Curse (or leaving Wikia) read the previous sections. If you have anything to contribute to the discussion, please add it there instead of here. Karate KJ for sig Jesus 14:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Community content is available under CC-BY-NC-SA 2.5 unless otherwise noted.