clean ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 19:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- Are you moving the previous votes or...? --☭Guild*talk* 19:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- Auron said to fail the old one and start a new one, so probably not.
19:23, 20 April 2009 - (EC)no, the point of making a new one was so this was clean and up to date. The old RfBM had lots of old or striked out votes :/ (plus moving the votes across would defeat the point of making a new one :/) ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 19:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- Alright, just curious. --☭Guild*talk* 19:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- just saying =p. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 19:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- This is already bullshit tbh. Shadowsin's entire comment is irrelevent because he thinks a)Teh guide was sooper srs and b)because he doesnt know LOD(Who has been one of the top PvE guilds in the game for the past three years, as well as being Guild of the Week). Then you have Apollo who's made 4 contributions in the last month and a half. Not really the best person to judge activeness. Life
01:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- guild of the week is srs bsns --Oj▲mo 01:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Life, stop QQing. This is how RfX's go here. A bunch of faggots no one cares about (read: PvX users) place mostly irrelevant votes on the page, then Auron decides if he likes you enough. ··· Danny Does Drugs 05:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- The people supporting you play pve, the people opposing you play pvp :) Social clash of epic proportions. tbh if you were made a bm, it would be the Emancipation Proclamation of the pvp race belittling the pve race. Auron is Abraham Lincoln and the government is communist--Relyk 06:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- The people supporting him, or at least a few of them, also play PvP. A closer relation would be the Renaissance. Where being well-balanced was better than being schooled in only a single area. ofc, relating such a great time period to PvX is fucking retarded, so pretend I didn't say anything. ··· Danny Does Drugs 06:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- *The people supporting him are less biased to pve--Relyk 06:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Auron looks more like Ulysses S Grant irl. -
08:41, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- The people supporting him, or at least a few of them, also play PvP. A closer relation would be the Renaissance. Where being well-balanced was better than being schooled in only a single area. ofc, relating such a great time period to PvX is fucking retarded, so pretend I didn't say anything. ··· Danny Does Drugs 06:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- The people supporting you play pve, the people opposing you play pvp :) Social clash of epic proportions. tbh if you were made a bm, it would be the Emancipation Proclamation of the pvp race belittling the pve race. Auron is Abraham Lincoln and the government is communist--Relyk 06:34, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Life, stop QQing. This is how RfX's go here. A bunch of faggots no one cares about (read: PvX users) place mostly irrelevant votes on the page, then Auron decides if he likes you enough. ··· Danny Does Drugs 05:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- You think guild of the week means something? My pve guild filled with 100 people who were just out of ascalon when i started the game got guild of the week. Thats really ridiculous. Rawrawr Dinosaur 15:10, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- It doesn't mean anything really. I just figured most people have scanned that list before. Life
15:23, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Why the fuck should I care about guild of the week? Being in a "famous" guild means nothing. Can I ask you if you've actually made any of the builds you post, or if you copy them from what your guild runs/ what other pve'rs run? Have you ever set a standard in your guild for what has been run? Or are you a follower that gets into parties because you can actually play what they want to run. Copying builds, and running what is good, does not make you a good BM, or else Frosty's RfBM would have passed. I don't care how "Srs Bsns" your guide is/was, on its face it looked like you were being an asshole, and on the talk you pretty much proved it. ----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 17:23, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Tab likes to be a dick in general, so your point appears to be invalid. Also, when's the last time a BM actually made a build on here? ··· Danny Does Drugs 17:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- It wasn't an "oh I so pro cuz I gots guild of the week" it was more of a "wow, you're ignorant. We've been around for years and had amazing acximplishments". Follow the link in Drahs vote for the second part. Life 17:33, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Tab got BM because he is apart of the mighty PvX circle jerk and still is (For real, All three current bm's should have been perma'd a long time ago, way before BM was even an option.), and on top of that he actually knows stuff. At the time of their respective promotions all the BM's had been pruning the PvP section since they started posting here. If i remember correctly, the one time someone was promoted out of the pvx circle jerk was zurry the furry, look how awesome that turned out. In fact come to think of it, the position as a whole has become somewhat of a joke. ----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 18:09, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Tab got BM because he is apart of the mighty PvX circle jerk and still is (For real, All three current bm's should have been perma'd a long time ago, way before BM was even an option.), and on top of that he actually knows stuff. At the time of their respective promotions all the BM's had been pruning the PvP section since they started posting here. If i remember correctly, the one time someone was promoted out of the pvx circle jerk was zurry the furry, look how awesome that turned out. In fact come to think of it, the position as a whole has become somewhat of a joke. ----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ
- It wasn't an "oh I so pro cuz I gots guild of the week" it was more of a "wow, you're ignorant. We've been around for years and had amazing acximplishments". Follow the link in Drahs vote for the second part. Life
- Tab likes to be a dick in general, so your point appears to be invalid. Also, when's the last time a BM actually made a build on here? ··· Danny Does Drugs 17:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Why the fuck should I care about guild of the week? Being in a "famous" guild means nothing. Can I ask you if you've actually made any of the builds you post, or if you copy them from what your guild runs/ what other pve'rs run? Have you ever set a standard in your guild for what has been run? Or are you a follower that gets into parties because you can actually play what they want to run. Copying builds, and running what is good, does not make you a good BM, or else Frosty's RfBM would have passed. I don't care how "Srs Bsns" your guide is/was, on its face it looked like you were being an asshole, and on the talk you pretty much proved it. ----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ
- It doesn't mean anything really. I just figured most people have scanned that list before. Life
- guild of the week is srs bsns --Oj▲mo 01:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- This is already bullshit tbh. Shadowsin's entire comment is irrelevent because he thinks a)Teh guide was sooper srs and b)because he doesnt know LOD(Who has been one of the top PvE guilds in the game for the past three years, as well as being Guild of the Week). Then you have Apollo who's made 4 contributions in the last month and a half. Not really the best person to judge activeness. Life
- just saying =p. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 19:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- Alright, just curious. --☭Guild*talk* 19:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- Auron said to fail the old one and start a new one, so probably not.
hay frosty
Auron is wrong about the Mallyx thing.
Love,
··· Danny Does Drugs 16:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- I was more getting at the whole most pvpers have a better grasp of the skill database etc etc. FrostytheAdmin 18:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Aren't there players that do both? 18:35, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Life may be an exception to this rule but I haven't seen anything to prove that, and the reason behind the whole "pvpers know skills better bla blah blah" is because they are often actively changing skills used and actively having to face different situations for which to adapt, the most pve players have to adapt to is skill balances (which pvp is susceptable to) and a friggin dodgy spawn for a mob... FrostytheAdmin 18:45, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- (EC)Yes, most. And that's also why the bias stuff here is bullshit. There really isn't a large bias against PvE here. It's just a few guys and the heavy PvE'ers blow it out of proportion. The problem is the upkeep of the PvE section, which normal users can do w/o BM tools. 18:49, 21 April 2009
- Exactly, if people who are good at pve (like Life) want to simply notify an admin that a build is bad and should be deleted or some votes needed to be sorted I would be (and I am sure others) happy to do it... FrostytheAdmin 18:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- And if that doesn't work, there are always WELL tags and Archive tags to go around that. If the build's bad, enough people will know that and agree with it's deletion. 18:56, 21 April 2009
- I find it entertaining to see a rift between PVE and PVP where the game as a whole should be experienced. They are both different that uses different skill sets to master....so why not do both? I don't think one is better than the other but that is imo. I play both and incorporate one skill into the other. Adapting is key in PVP but the other HUGE factor in PVP is the opponent. IF they change you must as well or you will loose. 18:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- (EC)Hey Frosty, when was the last time you saw someone in RA actually change a skill slot in a build to make it meta-meta? Or for that matter, when's the last time you faced something that wasn't a version of Teaseway, IWAY, Lichspike, or Omegaspike in HA? It's all the same builds over and over again in PvP. The only more intense part of PvP is tactics, which is something that very few players understand or utilize in general. ··· Danny Does Drugs 18:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'd also to point out the fact various skills have PvE and PvP versions, so playing PvP wouldn't necessarily make you more aware of the skill database... ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 19:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- (EC)Hey Frosty, when was the last time you saw someone in RA actually change a skill slot in a build to make it meta-meta? Or for that matter, when's the last time you faced something that wasn't a version of Teaseway, IWAY, Lichspike, or Omegaspike in HA? It's all the same builds over and over again in PvP. The only more intense part of PvP is tactics, which is something that very few players understand or utilize in general. ··· Danny Does Drugs 18:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- And if that doesn't work, there are always WELL tags and Archive tags to go around that. If the build's bad, enough people will know that and agree with it's deletion.
- Exactly, if people who are good at pve (like Life) want to simply notify an admin that a build is bad and should be deleted or some votes needed to be sorted I would be (and I am sure others) happy to do it...
- Life may be an exception to this rule but I haven't seen anything to prove that, and the reason behind the whole "pvpers know skills better bla blah blah" is because they are often actively changing skills used and actively having to face different situations for which to adapt, the most pve players have to adapt to is skill balances (which pvp is susceptable to) and a friggin dodgy spawn for a mob...
- Aren't there players that do both?
Dear Life,
I'll support you when you figure out that you don't need the tools to clean up the section, and actually start doing it. Fixing up a few random builds, and calling pvp'ers bad is not cleaning up the section.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ
18:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- I agree, I do think he can do a better/quicker job if he was BM...imo 19:00, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- How? 19:01, 21 April 2009
- How?
- Like how, its not like you get the delete page tool as a BM. The only thing he can do is remove wrong votes, but in the case of an outdated build, they are not necessarily wrong the build just needs archiving. Point being, the site was cleaned up well enough before the BM position was even a thought, the only reason the position was created was so that admins could ignore the "Build" section of the admin noticeboard, for all the things that life wants to do, he does not need the tools. ----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ 19:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Like how, its not like you get the delete page tool as a BM. The only thing he can do is remove wrong votes, but in the case of an outdated build, they are not necessarily wrong the build just needs archiving. Point being, the site was cleaned up well enough before the BM position was even a thought, the only reason the position was created was so that admins could ignore the "Build" section of the admin noticeboard, for all the things that life wants to do, he does not need the tools. ----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳ