Is it possible to lock talk page edits as minor edits, or atleast make them the default? that could solve some problems. in addition, perhaps new users could be limited to only editing their own talk and user page for one day? this would thwart most impatient trolls imo. --Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:10, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- Really, the only bad things new users do is vandalize. Most of the trolls are established users or socks of established users, and they're patient enough that an extra day won't slow things down any. --71.229 19:13, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- But in all honesty, trolling from established users is nowhere near as disruptive and frankly who fucking cares if they clog up the recent pages when they are the lifeblood of the wiki.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:15, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- Frankly, I care.
*Defiant Elements* +talk 19:16, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- Frankly, I care.
- But in all honesty, trolling from established users is nowhere near as disruptive and frankly who fucking cares if they clog up the recent pages when they are the lifeblood of the wiki.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:15, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- No. There's a user preference that makes Minor Edits the default, but there's no way of which I'm aware to make that the default setting for all users (and there's certainly no way of which I'm aware to make all edits to specific pages Minor Edits. Regarding new users, that would be nigh impossible to actually enforce, besides which, unless the account is made specifically for trolling, most users don't troll that much on their first day, and if the account is made just for trolling, it'll get banned. *Defiant Elements* +talk 19:16, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- I don't pretend to know anything about wikis or much about networking but if the wiki software lacks the provisions, i'm almost entirely sure some sort of check program could be written that basically could force the minor edit serverside. and i wont get into that other discussion right now, i have an essay to write and need time to make a good argument against your opinion instead of just random blabber.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:19, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- I wouldn't be surprised if an extension existed to do just that actually. Unfortunately, with both Cardinal and Hhhippo largely MIA, I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for it to be implemented if I were you. *Defiant Elements* +talk 19:24, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
- I wouldn't be surprised if an extension existed to do just that actually. Unfortunately, with both Cardinal and Hhhippo largely MIA, I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for it to be implemented if I were you.
- I don't pretend to know anything about wikis or much about networking but if the wiki software lacks the provisions, i'm almost entirely sure some sort of check program could be written that basically could force the minor edit serverside. and i wont get into that other discussion right now, i have an essay to write and need time to make a good argument against your opinion instead of just random blabber.--Dark0805(Rant/Contributions) 19:19, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
I blame all this on Rawr. Eviscerate Warriors obviously own Pvxwiki as much as they do Guildwars.--Relyk 20:27, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Strange, I have not heard the term trolling used before. Can someone please enlighten me on what is the meaning? Huynh Sanity 00:37, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29 -Auron 00:48, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Trolls are all my life ..... Enjoy 
phailer! 02:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Let's say someone submits an absolutely atrocious build. (Mo/E Flare Spammer) Is it still okay to say "This is a load of old shite" and then slap a WELL tag on it? 
seb2lazy2login (ʞ1ɐʇ) 05:50, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- I think this is aimed at all the talk page stuff, like 50KB of Wtf!?Wtf!? --
Tab Moo 05:54, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Now the sad thing about PvX is that it isn't much more than a big home of trolls. While the site aims making builds there are basically three sorts of builds here: trash, decent and meta. Trash builds are usually made by newer members and trashed by the older ones, often without much of a reason; that's the reason why there is only a few frequent members. The decent builds (or those that are vetted so) are usually made by the older members on the site. The meta ones get an automatic 5-5-5 vetting. Now the problem is that usually the trashed builds lack reasons why they got trashed; so the authors won't be able to improve or learn from their mistakes. The decent builds are never truly ran by anyone, except maybe a few of the persons here on the wiki. The meta builds it doesn't really give a damn if we have stored or not; those that use them don't go here anyway. The problem with this whole concept is that it lacks any form of influence on anything. So what happens when the only reason for this existing is to trash obviously bad builds? People start trolling. Blah blah, much talk anyhow the point of my (failing) rant is that PvX got too little ability to affect anything. If we ever want this to becoem anything we need to either create the new meta or learn newbies what's good an not; as of now we do neither. Godbox 
05:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- I also guess this has something do with mainly Igor? Pretty much all the drama, trolling and so on has been done by him recently. Godbox 06:00, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- The whole site's been on a downward tilt for a while now, Igor's just the most recent face on it. --71.229 06:07, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- (ECx2!)I won't get into a discussion here, but on the flip side of that, how many times has the author of a newly posted build been told in logical ways that it is bad and why it is bad only to have the author go off on some rant about how we must test it or how we're all stuck in our ways and only want builds using the skills we "randomly" decided to like? It's not all cases, granted, but neither is every build posted by John McFirstContribution shot down arbitrarily. - PANIC! sexiness! 06:08, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
@ Godly: When newbies make a horrible build and you try to explain why it's a horrible build, most of them act very stubborn and tell you that you "didn't test it" and the build "pwns RA" which makes people troll, obviously, with the "pwns RA" kitty, "RA is srs bsns" etc. or links to pages that say "You fail"(pretty much). Because most of those newbies won't accept the fact that the build they've been using in RA for weeks, or maybe even months, is actually utter trash, we troll them. I'll give Droks as an example; Instead of just saying "Okay, you guys have more experience, apparently, so I guess you're right" he starts saying "I have important friends" and "I throw you a boner and you put it right back in my face, I don't appreciate that" at this very moment (2 seconds ago, to be precise) we use his quotes to troll/joke and spam his talk page with Vengeance/VoS builds. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ
06:36, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- That's the whole point of this policy change. There's no reason to do that to someone other than to be the biggest asshole you possibly can. How does going out of your way to annoy someone make things better? --Tab Moo 06:38, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- It doesn't. Trolling talk pages because people aren't experienced as you are is just sad. However, it's very tempting when you're trying to explain someone why he/she isn't doing it right and that person tells you "You need more practice at Monking" and acts like he's the one who knows the game and not you. That's obviously funny, because he/she usually doesn't know the game at all (apparently, using GoR+Vengeance on a Monk bar) and, as I said, makes it very tempting to troll them. I'm using Droks as an example now because that's just....a perfect example. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 06:44, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- Things like that happen all the time in real life too, however, there's a better way of dealing with it that trolling. It's called maturity. --Tab Moo 06:51, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- I'm not saying I never troll. It was impossible not to, since Droks took at all the way to my Talk Page. I usually try not to get personal/troll, unless it's people who come here more often, for example recently on Crossfire's talkpage, which was hard-core trolling, but didn't get personal or offensive or whatever. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 07:01, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- I'm still confused, does this apply to ripping apart a trashtastic build or just personal attacks/userpage spam? seb2lazy2login (ʞ1ɐʇ) 11:56, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- This applies to trolling in general and especially towards new members. Saying "LOOK AT THE SYNERGIES" on a build that's clearly made by a 'noob' is what we don't want. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 11:58, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- Yep. If it helps, we can interpret this as: Trolling: Don't do it any more or I will break your teeth with the ban bat. - PANIC! sexiness! 12:01, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- Trolling is fun, if we keep it on eachother's Talk Page (that is, if we aren't bothered by it) and as long as it doesn't result in a "wtf? no u wtf?" ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:03, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- There's a difference between friendly banter and trolling. Selket Shadowdancer 12:05, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- Trolling is fun, if we keep it on eachother's Talk Page (that is, if we aren't bothered by it) and as long as it doesn't result in a "wtf? no u wtf?" ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ
- Yep. If it helps, we can interpret this as: Trolling: Don't do it any more or I will break your teeth with the ban bat. - PANIC!
- This applies to trolling in general and especially towards new members. Saying "LOOK AT THE SYNERGIES" on a build that's clearly made by a 'noob' is what we don't want. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ
- I'm still confused, does this apply to ripping apart a trashtastic build or just personal attacks/userpage spam?
- I'm not saying I never troll. It was impossible not to, since Droks took at all the way to my Talk Page. I usually try not to get personal/troll, unless it's people who come here more often, for example recently on Crossfire's talkpage, which was hard-core trolling, but didn't get personal or offensive or whatever. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ
- Things like that happen all the time in real life too, however, there's a better way of dealing with it that trolling. It's called maturity. --
- It doesn't. Trolling talk pages because people aren't experienced as you are is just sad. However, it's very tempting when you're trying to explain someone why he/she isn't doing it right and that person tells you "You need more practice at Monking" and acts like he's the one who knows the game and not you. That's obviously funny, because he/she usually doesn't know the game at all (apparently, using GoR+Vengeance on a Monk bar) and, as I said, makes it very tempting to troll them. I'm using Droks as an example now because that's just....a perfect example. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ
Meh, at least I stopped doing all the gay trolling a while ago. I dont spam or anything, i dont think =\ —The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 12:05, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
As long as it stays on talk pages I don't rly mind. 
Dark Morphon(contribs) 12:12, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- It's very annoying when people don't use minor edit while having regular conversation(not about GW)/trolling/etc. though. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:15, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- Put it this way. PvX is basically seen as 4chan with builds. That's not a desirable image. --Tab Moo 12:16, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- That's horrible, actually. Someone once even vandalised my User Page to "Stay off of 4chan"I was like "Wut, I never go there"... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:18, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- Well that's what happens when 80% of the edits are bad attempts at causing e-drama or memes. --Tab Moo 12:20, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- I guess. Not every inside joke on the internet is necessarily a meme though. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ 12:21, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- I guess. Not every inside joke on the internet is necessarily a meme though. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ
- Well that's what happens when 80% of the edits are bad attempts at causing e-drama or memes. --
- That's horrible, actually. Someone once even vandalised my User Page to "Stay off of 4chan"I was like "Wut, I never go there"... ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹ
- Put it this way. PvX is basically seen as 4chan with builds. That's not a desirable image. --
Does this mean i can farm the trolls outside of Droks anymore?!?!? 24.141.43.76 14:25, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- Yes, but only because they drop nothing good. ¬ Klumpeet Enter my contest foo! 14:51, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
WHat is 4chan? Godbox 15:03, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- Some image sharing website thing. Google it... ¬ Klumpeet Enter my contest foo! 15:03, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- Imageboard. Very NSFW despite how pussified it is now. --71.229 15:07, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
finally some action is being taken!--The Noob Police
(never|fails) 15:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- Elitest? This isn't a democracy, everyone doesn't have an equal vote. -- Lann 21:23, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
- "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." With Build Masters Democracy has been made slightly worse. Godbox 12:56, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
- I don't think here is the place to discuss the benefits of democracy as compared to other forms of government. --Tab Moo 12:57, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
- I don't think here is the place to discuss the benefits of democracy as compared to other forms of government. --
- "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." With Build Masters Democracy has been made slightly worse. Godbox
- /signed and supported Shireen former sysop 13:33, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
- Elitest? This isn't a democracy, everyone doesn't have an equal vote. --
- /agree on the Democracy thing. --The Noob Police (never|fails) 15:13, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
I blame the newfags. Trolling wasn't that bad until all the newfags came in and started to claim superiority over the oldfags. Why should we get punished? 
Hide-And-Seek 11:18, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
- I don't really understand the excact meaning of trolling. Is trolling like insulting someone for no reason or more like posting comments that are not rellevant, the the internet is srs bsns idea?Frans 11:22, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
Can we still troll Igor and Nova? Hide-And-Seek 12:48, 16 May 2008 (EDT)