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People will be expected to discuss. Hilarious imo. I missed the discussion, but I knew this would happen since forever. Good luck everyone. Misery CowMisery Says Moo 21:38, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Q:

will an admin like Frosty, who is still considered one of the better players here, still be allowed to make BM'ish vote removals? Brandnew 09:28, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

unless it's completely wrong, then no. You'll be expected to sort it amongst yourselves using the builds talk page, or the users talk page. If you still can't come to a resolution, then you can post on the AN and someone will mediate the discussion, but only if discussions have been had elsewhere first =). ~ PheNaxKian talk 09:40, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
in other words, troll, rage, and flame until the idiot changes his vote or rages pvx. Life Guardian 09:48, January 25, 2010 (UTC)
only if they're being stubborn and refuse to learn are you supposed to troll/flame/rage them, and when you do, it needs to be allowed ~ PheNaxKian talk 09:50, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

(Reset indent) This is honestly a terrible thing to happen to PvX. BMs were the most effective line of defence versus idiotic reasoning. Now bad players will group up to campaign for some terrible echo mending build and it will be meta just because discussion no longer works in a degenerate community. Then again, dead wiki can't be any deader, so pretend I never said anything.Lightningbolt siguɐɟɐʞıd o^_^o¸«` 08:59, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

We still have PvX:WELL for any echo mender/Frenzy healsig builds. Me and other admins can still remove the absolutely retarded/Troll votes. The main difference is if you and someone disagree about whether something is "good" or "great", instead of QQing to a BM or admin, you talk to each other or troll him off the site within policy if they're completely retarded and won't listen. ~ PheNaxKian talk 10:01, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
What Phen promoting trolling?--X 11:23, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
Trolling for a good cause within policy is more than welcome, and is what a majority of PvX does. --Frosty Frostcharge 11:36, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
Granted but I didn't think Phen would promote encourage it--X 14:29, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
he must believe the ends justify means, ergo phen is a nazi. — Maf so rational. 02:44, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
i'm encouraging it as an absolute last resort. i.e. You've explained several times why they're wrong but they're just completely ignoring your points or deflecting etc. ~ PheNaxKian talk 12:04, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
exterminating the jews is an absolute last resort too, isn't it phen? isn't it? — Maf so rational. 14:05, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

"User squabbles over the latest shadow form farmer, stupid people rating a good build poorly, all that stuff will be left to the userbase to deal with. The entire point of a rating system is to allow people to rate builds. I understand that there are some incurably stupid people who play Guild Wars. It will be your (the community's) job to teach them not to suck. If they refuse to learn, it will be your (the community's) job to troll them off the site - staying within policy, obviously." According to Auron, deal with it yourself--TahiriVeila 14:08, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

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