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[[User:Teh_Uber_Pwnzer/7_Heroes]]. Only has 9/17 your required skills, but is still pretty good. Modify that to use some more PvE only skills and it would probably be great.[[User:Teh Uber Pwnzer|<font color="Black">''' &mdash; Teh Uber Pwnzer'''</font>]] 19:51, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
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i thought

you left us. and it looks like you still have ur admin powers. CABOSE(LVPoW)"Hey chicka bum bum!" 16:19, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

DB crash made him go back to admin (personally he should stay as one, he's pretty cool). But hey, it's your choice. --GoD Hammer and Sickle.jpg Guild of Deals 16:20, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
DB crash gave me a few admin powers, which I intend to abuse for spam removal, but only until I leave for work-like things in ten minutes or so. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 16:22, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
so i take it you'll be one of the more.. inactive ones, but an admin nonetheless. CABOSE(LVPoW)"Hey chicka bum bum!" 16:24, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
No - I expect to lose my admin powers as soon as a bureaucrat gets on wiki.
Actually, I'll cave to a point. I'll let Auron and DE decide. If either of them want me to stay an admin (if only to help sort out copyright issues that came with the crash), I will, but I doubt I'll be any more active than I have been lately. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 16:25, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
yay, i get to change the admin thingy. CABOSE(LVPoW)"Hey chicka bum bum!" 16:26, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
ouch, demoted. CABOSE(LVPoW)"Hey chicka bum bum!" 16:58, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
armond is gud admin :( --InfestedHydralisk(Talk*Contributions) 17:11, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
He did manage to get in 2 bans :P ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 17:13, 11 September 2008 (EDT)


You used to play? Quel server?--GoldenGoldenstar.JPGStar 19:33, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Noep. But I'm always looking for the good and bad points of random video games so I can make my MMO better. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 19:35, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
gives a good idea of the history of SWG, gives you an idea of the skill system used. I'll explain both in further detail when I get some free time--GoldenGoldenstar.JPGStar 19:45, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
are u making a MMO? ;o --InfestedHydralisk(Talk*Contributions) 19:58, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
No, the big survey things on my PvX and GWW userpages are just for show. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 20:10, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
zzz sarcasm on the internet. Anyway, take a look at the SWG skills system, you won't find a better model for how skills should be done anywhere else--GoldenGoldenstar.JPGStar 22:25, 11 September 2008 (EDT)


[1] -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 13:45, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

I smell epic caster hate. Cedave bad.png ツ cedave (contributionsbuildpage) 14:38, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Meh, it was weird the way you guys interrupt Sig of Devo.Pika Fan 17:49, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Fuck, I missed it? I spent the last fifteen minutes putting a build together. :< --71.229 18:18, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
You missed it, but we'll do moar tomorrow. Also, I'ma try to get this sorta planned out in advance. Eurofags and their time zones are gonna be a problem though... More information after I mow the lawn. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 18:34, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
What timezone are you in? --71.229 18:42, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
He's US something or other. Also, Interrupting Sig of Devo = Gale + Leech Sig. I actually exhausted all my energy at one point when we were pressuring you back into your base. Was awesome. Cedave bad.png ツ cedave (contributionsbuildpage) 18:46, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
You failed. On another note, I fucking hate blackout. (Also, EST.) -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 19:38, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Armond I think I said I thought your voice sounded bad. I'm sorry :< ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns.gif 19:40, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

You were on the other team tbh. It's Tab who said my mic sounded bad. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 19:41, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
There was someone from your channel who joined ours to tell us how bad we were and people said it was you :O ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns.gif 19:45, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Oh, you mean the "what the fuck was that?" "that was IWAY, why the fuck did you have so much lame defense?" part? Yeah, that was me. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 20:18, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

@Cedave. I only got galed once during that match. I saw the other mez waste interrupts while I was cancelling Sig of Devo.Pika Fan 19:51, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

ATTENTION: See here. Thanks. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 20:18, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

I forgot to spec to 5, so I kept trying to Gale you and kept failing. It worked 5/6 times on your flagger though. Lol. Also, the other mez was E-Surge, so that's didn't really matter. I would've rather run E-Surge meself because Panic was failing so bad against you guys most of the time. Cedave bad.png ツ cedave (contributionsbuildpage) 20:36, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
E Denial was bad too, because I am used to running 25-35 energy for my monk. Panic was slightly better than E-surge because we were spamming sig of devo anyway. It adds a lot of pressure. Furthermore, we had a BiP spammer.Pika Fan 20:41, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
I kept Inspired-ing BiP. I was like YO WTF. Cedave bad.png ツ cedave (contributionsbuildpage) 20:48, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Dude, we had such a failure of a BB bar we had to run BiP so I could pressure. Spikes were worse, especially once I got DP. I think for one of our monks we just gave up on fitting emanagement in the bar too, so we threw bip on him... -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 21:00, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Both Pie and me had drain enchant, but tbh it wasn't enough as heal other was my only pressure/semi-spike heal.Pika Fan 21:03, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
My BB bar was bad, too. also, you overextend a lot for SD :( - Panic sig5.png 21:04, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Overextention is how you win games. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 21:05, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Maybe if you have decent heals and prots. That was a bad deck for heals and it just got you DP. - Panic sig5.png 21:07, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
That much I noticed. Did you see how long I ate dirt at the end of the first match? At least I got to tell people "CATAPULT IS ARMED, PIKA NEEDS TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE MIDDLE" -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 21:10, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
I was having a hard time deciphering accents and wondering what was going on to notice. The second time we did it I didn't fail too badly. >_> Tab. Ahahahahaha.Pika Fan 21:12, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Was it Tab that you guys blew up the second match? I saw someone go down and we had full red bars. - Panic sig5.png 21:15, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Your single aegis was epic anti-pressure, Pika. Panic, that was Shadow, we just lacked any sort of squishies to target and so went after monks... and happened to get the same monk. Then he called a spike and our SoH-buffed eviscs just tore him apart. Tab probably helped with an epic pblock or two, and I'll bet our signet mes did some awesome edenial, but all in all you just weren't built for what you ran into. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png{{sysop}} 21:19, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

@Pika, Drain Enchant is fodder for LeechSig/PDrain. Was almost as brave as your necro using Bone Minions. Cedave bad.png ツ cedave (contributionsbuildpage) 21:27, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

No, Pie and I were running Aegis chains. Their warriors weren't really putting up much of a struggle considering how easy it was to negate the pressure with simply guardian. In fact, I didn't use aegis until mid-game to late-game. I did notice pie stopped using aegis late game because single aegis was enough tbh. I screwed up a couple of infusions at the start, but got used to it later during the game. <3 Our frontline and midline who were so epic in protecting us monks so we could do our job really well. @cedave I only got drain interrupted once. The rest of the 3 times I used it were successful.@panic Yeah, tab blew up from the catapults, and the same thing happened to me on the first game.Pika Fan 21:31, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

i got no message for this =( made me sad --InfestedHydralisk(Talk*Contributions) 21:35, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Awww *gives hydra a pikachuberry cookie*Pika Fan 21:36, 12 September 2008 (EDT)



ups. CABOSE(LVPoW)"Hey chicka bum bum!" 11:56, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Wuts a tilde? Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube.jpg 12:01, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
I ec'd myself 3 times trying to sign. stfu. >.> Cedave bad.png ツ cedave (contributionsbuildpage) 14:06, 13 September 2008 (EDT)
no no no only i has selfEC skillz --InfestedHydralisk(Talk*Contributions) 17:18, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
(EC) damn got EC'd with myself --InfestedHydralisk(Talk*Contributions) 17:18, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

hay guess what

msn me when ur online next. i has infos you and others might want for stuff. Cedave bad.png ツ cedave (contributionsbuildpage) 16:57, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Build:Team - HA Condition Pressure

Added cover hex on bind necro and SoLS in variants for energy. Not that it matters too much but revote plox? I is *Jebus*IAmJebussig3.jpgEnter my contest! 21:07, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

For some reason...

I think your weird... —ᶁaɽⱪɘʃʂ ӍͼÇɧɑoᶊᶆoᶇǥɘɼ Darkchaossig1y.png. 18:27, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

For some reason, everyone thinks you're dumb. Wonder why that is. Tab McPiplup 18:28, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
Armond is weird, but also incredibly awesome. gg. Also, he's on facebook. Cedave bad.png ツ cedave (contributionsbuildpage) 21:08, 21 September 2008 (EDT)
I THOT U SED PVXWIKI R BAED AT GWS ON VENT LAST NITE hurr... —ColonelTalkN.F 10:56, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

If you're going to troll people

Makes some fake names k?----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig.PNG 02:46, 22 September 2008 (EDT)


Play moar, ftw. —ColonelTalkN.F 10:55, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

A/E Way of the Assassin (talk · rate)

Lol its not that bad, still works in RA and AB. Dont know why they have HA tag.--ShadowRelyk Sig.gif 11:41, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

They remove HA and TA and I'll change my vote, and I'm sure Armond will, too. Otherwise, the build isn't even worth being called shit in HA. Sins blow up easy, and one that's trying to constantly front-line is gonna get linebacked and blown up. See my vote for more info kthx. Cedave bad.png  ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 13:19, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
You trying to tell me they don't have savage shot in RA? -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 17:23, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Interruption owns everything, not just Sins. Assassin chains are hurt a little more by disabling (D-Shot) because of the lead, off-hand, dual attack prerequisites, but if you had Eviscerate or Wounding Strike D-Shotted, you wouldn't be very happy, either. Tbh, I submitted that build when I still liked Sins. XD ــмıкεнaшк 17:43, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
The point is that's an especially predictable chain - if I gave a crap I'd be able to interrupt it every time past the first, but then I wouldn't be in RA/FA - that's also very slow (lack of IAS makes it far easier to both interrupt and heal/prot against - nat stride says hai, btw) and, to be frank, weak. Sins can't solo-spike anymore - and the game's far better off for it if you ask me - but people still seem to want to try. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 17:46, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Sins can't do much any more; they've become nearly worthless in PvP, tbh. When I first started playing a Ranger, some of the easiest D-Shots I've ever made were on Iron Palm in the Beguiling Haze Deadly Arts "spike". ــмıкεнaшк 18:04, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Yes, well, the word "assassin" carries with it some connotations. You can't blame people for assuming that "One who murders by surprise attack, especially one who carries out a plot to kill a prominent person" is supposed to be able to kill people by surprise attack (regardless of game balance issues). --Mafaraxas (talk) 18:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Fire Emblem style assassins imo. Critical hits have a 50% chance of being 1-hit kills. ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 19:06, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
OSHT DON'T TELL IZZY HE MIGHT UPDATE THEM TO BE THAT Cedave bad.png  ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 19:07, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
25%* -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 19:10, 25 September 2008 (EDT)


now it's not tagged for places where it's going countered like a nigger bitch mexican. gogo revote higher if you feel obliged. Cedave bad.png  ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 19:05, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

The fact that people in RA are retarded doesn't make the build any better. It can't clean-spike, it can't get around enchantment removal, it takes forever to spike, and one orison or kiss renders the entire spike worthless (much less a guardian or aof mid-spike). Lacks IAS and has to trade IMS for res sig in most places; it doesn't deserve much higher than I gave it. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 19:13, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Owait, has IAS. It's just... really awful. An 18% IAS isn't awesome. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 19:14, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
It only needs rez for RA, so you can have an IMS in AB and CM. ــмıкεнaшк 19:47, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Did you not read any of my rant except the res part? -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 20:56, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Tbh, I don't agree with the rest of it. It spikes faster than most melee, has a KD mid chain and puts out decent pressure between spikes with high DPS. Rating down a build because it can be out-healed or protted against isn't right, because those apply to all melee. ــмıкεнaшк 21:11, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
So any build that is countered by guardian, diversion etc etc should be rated 1-1? *Runs and rates every single build 1-1*.PikaFanLightningbolt sig.jpg 21:12, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
@Mike: No, see, it doesn't matter if it spikes faster than most melee, it's still a six-second "spike". That's not a spike, that's elongated (single-target) pressure. It also can't do crap outside of its spike, because even with conjure, dagger dps is just nothing worth noticing.
@Pika: A lot of them, yeah. If something can be completely killed by Diversion or Dshot (like a dshot to your lead, or your kd in a kd-as type build, or what have you), it's probably trash. Do bear in mind that if it can actually do something outside of those factors, it's not trash. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 21:16, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
[2] I will find more builds that you can rate 1-1 <3.PikaFanLightningbolt sig.jpg 21:19, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Its just regular Golden Phoenix Strike->Wild Strike->DB spam but with Golden Fang. Please don't use the easily countered excuse, unless you think shock axe sucks. Im pretty sure you know this already and are just being a dick though.--ShadowRelyk Sig.gif 21:20, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Here's a better example [3]. Diversion clearly screws this build up QQ.PikaFanLightningbolt sig.jpg 21:24, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
(ECs)The BB Sin is a 5-6 second spike, and anything else that tries to solo spike won't likely achieve anything faster. Build:A/any Deadly Arts Spike Sin and Build:A/any_BH_Spike_Sin were 8-second spikes (excluding aftercast in their shadow steps), and the Deadly Arts builds and Build:A/D_Grenth's_Grasp_Assassin weren't enough to kill a foe with little more than 500 health while Build:A/E_Way_of_the_Assassin can deal over 600 damage in its spike, and constantly reapply DW and pressure through high DPS. ــмıкεнaшк 21:32, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

@Pika: Armond already rated down the GG Sin. XD ــмıкεнaшк 21:35, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

The GG Sin has a number of counters, and a lot of weaknesses. This build does, too. The BB, however, can't be countered as easily because your target, probably a monk or mesmer, is lying on their ass. @Mike, GG Sin, however, has a snare, IAS, and IMS. Your build is just another example of why this wiki fails a bit. Cedave bad.png  ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 22:24, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Stuff to bring to PvE


  1. "Save Yourselves!"
  2. "There's Nothing to Fear!"
  3. Great Dwarf Weapon
  4. Order of Pain
  5. Enfeebling Blood
  6. Strength of Honor
  7. Splinter Weapon
  8. Ancestor's Rage
  9. Earth Shaker
  10. Stunning Strike
  11. Dark Fury
  12. Barbs
  13. Mark of Pain
  14. Xinrae's Weapon
  15. Protective Spirit
  16. Song of Purification
  17. Ebon Battle Standard of Honor

Damn nice:

  1. Pain Inverter
  2. Cry of Pain (secondary mesmers?)
  3. Brawling Headbutt (dslash warrior, req entire bar)
  4. Blood is Power (for lack of a better elite on EB/GDW bot)
  5. Mend Body and Soul
  6. Ranger interrupter (choking gas? IA/interrupts? magebane?) because orders works with bows
  7. Expel Hexes x2 or a monk that can switch between Divert Hexes and some other elite (Shield of Deflection or Restore Condition)
  8. Unyielding Aura healer, if a monk healer must be had
  9. Foul Feast (perhaps on SoHbot?)
  10. Insidious Parasite
  11. Necrosis
  12. Rigor Mortis
  13. Rip/Rend Enchantments
  14. Rising Bile
  15. Shatter Enchantment
  16. Mind Blast + Rodgort's Invocation, but what else to put on the bar
  17. Nightmare Weapon
  18. Warmonger's Weapon - put on MS/DB/flurry sin?
  19. Anthem of Envy
  20. Merciless Spear/Vicious Attack/Blazing Spear
  21. Chilling Victory
  22. Wounding Strike
  23. "You Move Like a Dwarf!"
  24. "Finish Him!"

Now figure out how to put these all into a team build. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 15:01, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

You forgot Ineptitude. Everything auto-attacks so = gg. Cedave bad.png  ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 15:24, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Inept is nice, but for 20r, I'd honestly rather have BiP on the mesmer or something like that. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 16:26, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

71.229 pvebar.jpg Bar space. ;_; --71.229 15:43, 26 September 2008 (EDT)


Got rid of Arage, Barbs, and something else I cant remember, oh yeh strengh of honor, not needed for 1 melee tbh. Can swap stun para for Magbane or IA ranger, can swap war for WS derv.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig.PNG 16:18, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Also, can probably put minions in for rigor, nothing blocks in PvE well, or for very long.----ﮎHædõ๘یíɳShadowsin sig.PNG 16:21, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Thanks guys. I'll work on my own after Brisingr. Think Foul Feast spam + Soul Reaping will be enough to maintain SoH x3? (Shadow, you coulda put SoH on the paras, too...) -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 16:26, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
It wouldn't do anything though. Melee attacks only. ¬ «Ðêjh» (talk) 16:30, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Song of Purification triggers more when you're bonded. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 16:37, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Armond PvE build.png
Lacks weakness and prot spirit, but makes up for them with bonds. Lacks barbs, mark of pain, etc, but I think there's enough damage going around to make up for it. Also lacks SoP, AR, and earth shaker, but daze > earth shaker and drawbot + MBaS almost > SoP. AR is missed, but there's still plenty of damage... My real worries are enchantment and hex removal. I guess daze/outdamage the enchantments and hope convert + expel are enough for the hexes... -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 19:16, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Convert + Expel should be plenty. --71.229 19:32, 26 September 2008 (EDT) i thought the idea was to use as many of the skills as possible, lol

Build:Team - PvE Ultima. make edits to that. CABOSE(LVPoW)"Hey chicka bum bum!" 19:45, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

That list was just a bunch of all the good things to have in PvE. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 20:00, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

:/--ShadowRelyk Sig.gif 20:34, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

User:Teh_Uber_Pwnzer/7_Heroes. Only has 9/17 your required skills, but is still pretty good. Modify that to use some more PvE only skills and it would probably be great. — Teh Uber Pwnzer 19:51, 29 September 2008 (EDT)


- VanguardUser-VanguardAvatar.PNG 11:58, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Stuff DoA has to counter farming builds

go. Ideally I'll be able to just run the SFSA farmer thing and be done with it... though getting my sin through nightfall will be a pain... -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image.png 23:36, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Foundry can be a bitch to farm because of the opening and closing room mechanic. Gloom is easy to farm. Lots of monks in City can make it a pain. Touchers in the last area I forget the name of make it fucking hard to farm, trappers is pretty much the only way or hit and run with degen and ranged damage using Muddy Ground. - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby.gif 19:39, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
Pianc said I was bad, so clarification, TEAMS of trappers for the last one. Also, don't use blocking or you will get raped due to the environmental effect there. - Misery Is Friendly Misery Dog obaby.gif 19:47, 29 September 2008 (EDT)


Napalm was actually gonna be cool and not troll this time! Cedave bad.png  ツ cedave (☆contributions☆) 00:30, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

that's not what failnaxkian said. ViYCabooseSig1.png(LVPoW) 19:48, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
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