Times?--TahiriVeila 00:16, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Fairly easy setup to run, due to the problems of running ER bonders countered by the two monk with a copy of Seed of Life each and one UA with overkill Party Heals. Making it the most failsafe way to clear the Deep, without Speedclear Tactics. MinionMinion sig k bish 00:26, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
oh, by the way, six of those people were pugs.--Digit0lDigitalfear SigQu33r 00:45, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
So, why do you use E/Mo's when 90% of the deep doesn't hit over 25 anyways? Life Guardian 02:53, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
he does have a point. the only foes that do over that damage are outcast but they have mass chilblains anyway - in fact much of the deep has pretty crippling enchant removal (namely why perma never worked) and a room specifically for no enchants which can be skipped, but it's difficult and messy. AthrunAthrun dotFeya 09:56, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Well, Rippers deal quite high damage to casters, and the Aspects themselves. Also sappings throw out alot of packets. Remember there is no designated tank in this team, no one absorbs the damage, so your view on the damage aspect might be slightly twisted. The Outcast mobs are the toughest part, but are a piece of cake when you have Orders and GDW to knocklock. The Anti-Enchant room is actually very easy, and my favourite room; you all ball up on the stairs, then 1...2..3... RUNTOASPECTANDGANK. It's hilarious how effective that method is, and fast. Generally no one dies unless they lag on the run.MinionMinion sig k bish 10:01, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Why exactly do you want to take the tanks out? even with a single tank a balanced looking team can get under 20 easily. AthrunAthrun dotFeya 10:22, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
It's our care-free playing style. Dedicated tanks seem pointless, and we much prefer being able to run into a mob head-first as much as possible, and be out the other end in 5 seconds. Firstly, how does one tank make it 20 20 minutes faster? And having a tank in a melee heavy team is tricky when the mob will quickly decide to change opponents, rendering the "tank" pointless.MinionMinion sig k bish 10:28, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
What the hell are you talking about? AthrunAthrun dotFeya 10:37, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Why no tanks? We don't take tanks. Ever. They aren't needed for any area in the game. Some people like running tank and we're fine with that. Most melee players want to see numbers and this team absolutely gives them that.Roarer 10:45, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Okay so I asked why no tanks and your best reason is that you don't like them... You do realise teams are many more times effective with one, especially in the deep. As proof 1 and 2. The first picture shows you can run something "balanced" like physway, even with a single tank and still achieve pretty nice times. We later refined the build in the first pic to: 1 tank, 1 curses nec, 1 panic mes, 3 monks, 1 weap spell/eoe rit, 1 porogon, 2 100b, 2 hammer warriors (but everyone was too drunk to get a better time) AthrunAthrun dotFeya 10:53, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
We are offering an alternative. We play for fun, not times.Roarer 10:57, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Infact what the screenshot shows is that if everyone has ally-shadowsteps it speeds rooms up which you can run right past. It's not fun for many people, and difficult to grasp. (tanking that is). MinionMinion sig k bish 11:03, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
how exactly does the screenshot show that? recall is for the gate only... I'd argue tanking deep is one of the most fun things I've done in Guild Wars and near to the sole reason I'll still log on occasionally. AthrunAthrun dotFeya 11:11, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Lets get back to Deep Physway. Discussing the build people have been running in the deep for years seems pointless.Roarer 11:13, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
I've played both going back to extensive 4-4-4 play. It's a hell of a lot more fun getting to haphazardly rush into areas with virtually no consequences than it ever was to do controlled recall shove/meld tank and spank. No doubt this will lead to more "bandwagoning" accusations which is true on both sides of the fence. Try it first, and evaluate it on effectiveness, not on speed. If speed were the only criteria PvX would be a barren wasteland of builds with only 1 "best" option for everything. 14:41, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
^ agree. The playerbase need alternatives. They obviously don't enjoy TanknSpank method because no-one plays the Deep anymore bar ZQs. We're trying to bring some fun back to the Elite areas of the game.Roarer 15:53, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Speed is how you judge effectiveness when it comes to elite areas and guildwars is not fun--Relyk talk 22:17, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Relyk; this is a game. If you do not play a game for entertainment/fun, what the hell do you play for?MinionMinion sig k bish 22:29, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Which is why i don't get on guildwars as much and play new and exciting games--Relyk talk 22:43, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Then why bitch and whine on PvX if you...oh whatever--Digit0lDigitalfear SigQu33r 23:17, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Feast of Souls

>Heal Party.Roarer 13:32, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

i agree193.35.132.150 16:08, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Seed of Life>all--Digit0lDigitalfear SigQu33r 18:13, July 3, 2010 (UTC)


Maintained on 6 ppl without any form of real energy managment? :o Tyrael Strikes Back- 13:33, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Soul reaping says hi. MinionMinion sig k bish 14:42, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
Although if you are struggling, you can take Angorogon's Gaze or SoLS over Smite Hex or the Resurrection skill.MinionMinion sig k bish 10:46, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


wouldn't 100b wars be better if you're using a mop nuker? Notorious BW 05:21, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

We generally use what we can find. Sometimes we use 5 sins 1 war, 4 sins, war, derv, etc. But I still prefer the assassins.MinionMinion sig k bish 06:59, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
aight. Would this same set up work for urgoz? just with necrotic transversal on one of the necros and eoe on the sos? Notorious BW 00:40, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
We did it a few times in about the same time as Deep (40 odd) without the use of EoE. Mainly because none of us knew that it helped for beating Urgoz, but we took him down... Somehow. Even with all the retarded knockdown spams MinionMinion sig k bish 04:15, July 8, 2010 (UTC)


>Deep.--Digit0lDigitalfear SigQu33r 18:04, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Mesmer can be replaced

Mesmer could be an open slot for physicals. Last run we did 6 physicals and it took 37 minutes.


If you really wanted to finish Deep for it's awesome chest drops, you can probably skip two more rooms; the Sapping that appear after Scorpion room, and Sapping room with the Kana in the middle. But if it were me, I'd want to kill everything for as much loot as possible. MinionMinion sig k bish 07:16, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Remove Andy and Life Guardian Ratings


When you post shitty builds, they get trash votes. Cool huh? Andy 01:00, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
Funny. I thought we just got a 25 minute run with this exact setup. yeahtrashem.MinionMinion sig k bish 01:27, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
Aren't you quite the pro. But I must be missing where speed is mentioned... so my vote still stands. Andy 01:34, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
You've obviously never been to the Deep without a tank. There is damage involved. Cover Enchants exist. Your reasons are ill-thought out.MinionMinion sig k bish 01:45, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
No, you're wrong and you're stupid. This build is far from great, partly because several of your player slots are wasted. The fact you're crying about votes that put this in "Good" is nothing but fucking retarded, as it is far from a "Great" build. Andy 01:51, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
And tank and spank isn't wasting slots with three tanks?MinionMinion sig k bish 02:08, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
At times all three tanks are doing three separate things so no, it is not wasted. Also, why are you comparing it to tank and spank? It's not mentioned in the vote so it's useless trying to fuel this argument with it. Andy 02:13, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
Well all your vote mentions is that there's enchant removal. It really doesn't matter if you play properly. Even if you play badly, you'll get results. If you think you can get the same results without PB or tanks, be my guest.MinionMinion sig k bish 02:41, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
If you read it again, you'll find it mentions more than just enchantment removal. You can easily get better results if you use more AoE damage and take advantage of 100b + MoP. A seed monk can easily deal with the damage without prot bond, as nothing (except leviathan, who is ignored) hits hard enough to kill the frontline in a couple of hits. Andy 14:36, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
Um, Aspects and Kanaxai says HI and if frontline is wanding stupid, Nightmares. All bark, no bite, your saying this is bad by theory, prove us wrong. Post us a build > this. Otherwise, your argument sucks and your votes get trashed. Oh, post us a picture so your not BSing Infuser God 14:54, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
Wow, seriously fix your armour. I'm not going to make physway builds and test them in a game I barely play, just to prove to some idiot that can't see the flaws in his copy paste build. The rest of your post makes no sense so I'm going to ignore it. Stop typing like a retard... unless you are one, in which case just stop typing. Andy 15:14, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
Troll arguments are troll. Sorry Andy, you must get out of pre-searing Ascalon to make proper arguments. Infuser God 15:38, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
I suggest you try re-reading the last sentence in my previous comment. None of the statements in my rating have yet been proven wrong, so I would say my arguments must have been strong. Also, try reading PW:SIGN, it will help with the attempts to not look like a retard. Andy 15:44, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
Note to self, custom sign = bad, I've been trying to fix that but couldn't find where to change it (Wiki noob). I get what you are saying, some builds aren't needed, foes aren't that strong, etc. This build is fast and easy. Easy being the key word. When you do deep with a traditional tank-n-spank, get 4 nukers, 3 healers, 3 puller tanks. Puller tanks pulls mob, pulls them into a ball, team waits for call, then spike. With this, the only thing is target and kill. There is hardly any need for Deep experience, no vent needed at all and easily get ~35 minutes. You don't have to worry about noob pullers or noob monks. It is fast and easy, why hate that? Infuser God 16:52, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
As I've already said, I made no comparison between this and tank-n-spank. Using it as part of an argument against my vote is useless. Andy 17:11, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
Useless my ass, stop sabotaging our votes troll. It only proves that your votes and suggestions are out of anger, not good arguments. You provide no good evidence to back up your arguments and you done nothing but bash the build. Could I get a IP suspension for Andy? He's just going to keep sabotaging the build out of anger and is not going to provide anything useful until he cools off. Infuser God 17:21, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
1. This isn't GWG, we don't hand out bans for people having opinions. 2. Andy actually knows what he's doing in PvE. 3. Change your signature to resemble your name, Infuser God does not equal Zodiac Meteor. --Short 17:28, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
Chill out, Zodiac. Let's just address all the issues Andy has with the setup and why he believes it won't work/be suitable for Deep:
  • Heavy Enchant Removal- Looks like a daunting setback in theory, but in practice all it means is you have to prioritise targeting to the foes that strip and dodge Chilblains. Losing Prot Bond is fine for a few, but losing ER is worse.
  • Two ER= one Seed monk. This... I really do not understand, and I don't believe you are being serious. It means you would have two Seeds of Life, Blood Bond and Feast of Souls keep you up; no Infuse. Explains HOW one monk can replace two ERs, and I'll let it pass. MinionMinion sig k bish 17:29, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
lol--Oskar 17:32, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
(RI)I challenge any of the so-called experts around here to produce a pug that can clear the Deep HM in <40 minutes with no real build restrictions. That means no Steel Wall or any of its variants, no manly, no Spiteful spike, no DwG or any of this other slop circulating around. Put up or shut up. 17:38, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Lightning Reflexes > Dwarven Battle Stance

The 33% IAS and 75% can be kept up 24/7, no need for Dwarven Battle Stance for the IAS.

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