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:: I agree wholeheartedly with Armond. -- [[User:Nova|<span style="color: #6D6968; font-weight: bold;">Nova</span>]] [[Image:Jirouji-Nova.jpg]] -- <small>([[Special:Contributions/Nova|contribs]])</small> 03:32, 16 May 2007 (CEST)
 
:: I agree wholeheartedly with Armond. -- [[User:Nova|<span style="color: #6D6968; font-weight: bold;">Nova</span>]] [[Image:Jirouji-Nova.jpg]] -- <small>([[Special:Contributions/Nova|contribs]])</small> 03:32, 16 May 2007 (CEST)
 
:::I think that anyone who goes to the trouble of setting up 86 email accounts just to try and get their policy to be voted on, has way too much time on their hands, and should find something better to do with that time. I think the voting is fine the way it is, since this is the most accurate way to vote. GCardinal has done everything you could ever hope to make this vote fair. I think we should just let it go. The only thing I think we should do is make sure the winner of the bone dragon is someone real, and not someone who made the account just to vote 86 times. [[User:Bluemilkman|Bluemilkman]] 04:15, 16 May 2007 (CEST)
 
:::I think that anyone who goes to the trouble of setting up 86 email accounts just to try and get their policy to be voted on, has way too much time on their hands, and should find something better to do with that time. I think the voting is fine the way it is, since this is the most accurate way to vote. GCardinal has done everything you could ever hope to make this vote fair. I think we should just let it go. The only thing I think we should do is make sure the winner of the bone dragon is someone real, and not someone who made the account just to vote 86 times. [[User:Bluemilkman|Bluemilkman]] 04:15, 16 May 2007 (CEST)
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::I disagree with Wizardboy. Switching to IPs just trades one set of problems for another set. PCs at home and at work/school would be on different IPs, so two votes for everyone right there. Using IP's, anyone on dial-up can just disconnect then re-logon to get a new IP. Anyone at a university could have every PC in the computer lab vote. People in an office frequently all go through a single IP, so it would look like a single user voting multiple times instead of the actual multiple users. Then there's just using [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_proxy open proxies] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion_routing onion routing] to fake hundreds of possible IP addresses. Using IPs just requires extra work and gives the illusion of improving things, but actually offers no real benefit. --- [[User:Barek|Barek]] <small>([[User talk:Barek|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Barek|contribs]])</small> - 05:39, 16 May 2007 (CEST)
   
 
== small secret ==
 
== small secret ==

Revision as of 03:39, May 16, 2007


13. Mai

Yes I have a birthday today :)

Happy birthday =) - Skakid9090 00:25, 14 May 2007 (CEST)

Thanks :) GCardinal 02:04, 14 May 2007 (CEST)
I know it's a day late, but hope you had a happy birthay ^^ mine is coming up soon... ~~ Napalm Flame Napalm Flame Sig Image 14:01, 14 May 2007 (CEST)
Mine's two days late, but happy b-day! The 13th is my dad's birthday, and mine's tomorrow :) --Wizardboy777 02:16, 16 May 2007 (CEST)

Bug reports

Alt Text

Hey GCardinal, how's it going? I didn't see any point this out to you, but when you mouse over the text hyperlink (not the image!) of a skill on a build page, the box that pops up reads "gw:Optional." This seems to happen only with the new PvX style of skiil bars, the old "{{skill bar|.....}}" method displays the skill names properly when moused over. Clicking on both types of bars takes you to the correct GWiki page, but it's a problem you might want to know about. - Kowal Krowman (talkcontribs) 08:05, 14 May 2007 (CEST)

Fixed. GCardinal 03:18, 14 May 2007 (CEST)

Default Search Settings

Hi, this was a point raised on the discussion page for the main page, not sure if you saw it yet, but, I wanted to point it out just in case. We really should have the builds namespace as a default setting for searches since we are, after all, a build wiki. DE Sig Test 2 *Defiant Elements* +talk 02:47, 14 May 2007 (CEST)

Fixed. GCardinal 03:18, 14 May 2007 (CEST)

Double Redirects Page

The special page for Double Redirects is currently producing a Database error. Not a huge problem, but something that I figured I would mention to you. DE Sig Test 2 *Defiant Elements* +talk 22:48, 14 May 2007 (CEST)

PvXcode

Descriptive text for PvXcode doesn't show up until all PvXcode template thingies have loaded on a page. Pain on a team page with a lot of PvXcode and a slow internet connection. Is it possible to make the caption load as the images loads? -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{sysop}} 08:18, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

Not possible since it must load whole page before doing any DHTML at all. GCardinal 08:36, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
Shame. Ah well. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{sysop}} 08:42, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

Headbutt

Headbutts immage is missing the elite golden frame. I have no idea how the image is coded into the bbcode so I don't know how to fix it, the image is fine on guildwiki and the link works fine but the image does not.--Sefre File:Sefresig.pngT*C 05:23, 16 May 2007 (CEST)

Support

Do you want to help or have a problem or a question post here.

Misc

Anything else.


Discussion Regarding RFA's

Also, I don't have time right now, but if you (or any other Admins) plan to be on MSN Messenger later tonight, we should discuss how we want RFA's to be handled considering we have 5 Bureaucrats with no regular Admins (Although that doesn't mean we necessarily need any), and, we have no formal RFA process yet. DE Sig Test 2 *Defiant Elements* +talk 02:49, 14 May 2007 (CEST)

Given the fact that we will be transitioning into a new vetting policy, and, given the inherent policy violations (particularly NPA) and disputes that inevitably arise, I think we need to think about having more Admins. We will also need people deleting the inevitably large number of builds that violate PW:WELL. Also, while there are only 610 registered users as of now, as we grow, we will need more Admins, and we appear to be growing rather rapidly. Despite the fact that we don't have an official RFA, I would be willing to nominate Krowman and perhaps a few others right now for Adminship. Feedback? DE Sig Test 2 *Defiant Elements* +talk 06:15, 14 May 2007 (CEST)

Well more admins is a good idea, but I would really like to get the ones we have working. There is tons and tons of work to do. We have to organize our efforts so it's easy to see what we need to get down and check when its done. GCardinal 19:36, 14 May 2007 (CEST)
Remember I'm always willing to chip in some work along with the others who want to support this wiki. '~\^/~' Napalm Flame Napalm Flame Sig Image (talk)(contributions) 20:20, 14 May 2007 (CEST)
Thanks man :) Any help are always welcome! :) GCardinal 20:31, 14 May 2007 (CEST)
I'm also ready to do anything that needs to be done. Now that school is mostly over I have a lot more time to spend doing things here. Bluemilkman 22:39, 14 May 2007 (CEST)

IP banned?

Was I IP banned? like for any reason? Because I cannot access the site without using a proxy. If I did anything, please tell me. >.> Ni

Check out this page and see if any accounts blocked here belong to you:

Special:Ipblocklist was created by you or was created from your PC. GCardinal 01:40, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

Alright, well I'm not ip-banned any more at any rate. I'm not sure what was wrong. It wouldnt allow me to access the site. Anyway, it works now, so I'm not complaining. Ni sigNi 04:33, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

Icon mixup

I don't know if this is the right place to put it and if you already know it but the icons for Mantra of Signets and Mantra of Inscriptions are mixed up. Just thought you should know. Swiftslash \\ Impale 01:34, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

Ohh didnt know that. Thanks will fix asap! GCardinal 01:41, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

MediaWiki:Sitenotice

FYI: To help raise awareness of site-wide issues (such as the vetting policy vote), you may want to consider implementing MediaWiki:Sitenotice. That should display at the top of every page (I think it's default MediaWiki to work - but if it doesn't, some config on MediaWiki hooks may be needed). --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 03:39, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

Fundraising

Hey GCardinal. Have you thought about getting some of those Google ads that Gwiki has running down the lefthand menubar? It could be a way to generate a little extra income for the site, to help with whatever costs are racking up. I think some people at GWiki had a problem with them because the ads generated weren't always relevant to GW (sometimes they were about WoW, oh noes), but I could be mistaken. Anyways, I just thought that might be something to help keep the site up and running smoothly. - Kowal Krowman (talkcontribs) 07:04, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

With current numbers we will not get even 50$/month I think. I will just pay bills my self for now, and save people annoying ad's :) GCardinal 13:53, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
Yeah, I think we are pretty much at a unanymous agreement at the mo that we all hate ads... '~\^/~' Napalm Flame Napalm Flame Sig Image (talk)(contributions) 14:37, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

new archived template

The new archived template has a different format than the old one. I was going through and semi fixing some of the old ones and noticed that some of the reasons of archive were illegitimate with the build (e.g. intro of nightfall when build has nightfall skills in it). Should we be removing illegitimate reasons or just leave them to be fixed? Eronth 15:25, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

Site Growth

Has anyone looked at the statistics special page recently? In two days, we have gotten 200 new registered users. Granted, most of them probably have 1 or 0 edits, but, still, that is pretty impressive. DE Sig Test 2 *Defiant Elements* +talk 16:15, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

Keep in mind voting is going on. I'm not saying ALL of them are vote cheaters, but some may very well be. It's still good to know we have more and more users finding out this place exsisted. People on GW would randomly replace pages with "Y U DELET BILDS?????/". I kept introducing people to here before they got banned for vandal. I'm not sure if any of them actually came or not. Ya, so i guess thats my life story. Eronth 16:22, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
How bad is the faux voting getting? I've seen several IP ban issues and a lot of radom chit chat pop up here and there. 200 new users? Wow. I wonder who's ballet is getting stuffed. Shireen 16:59, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
Security has been improved after that small ban of a few users. I think users who got banned was authors who wanted to speed-up voting on some policy. Take look on User:Gcardinal/Stats :) Now users must verify email to vote, and since most of the users want to take part in voting process most of them do. GCardinal 17:38, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
I would say that the good 199 of those 200 users are sockpuppets. I strongly request that you remove all votes with people that haven't confirmed email, and post it on the Main Page requesting them to confirm Email, before they can vote again. Also, please make sure that there are no email duplicates, because of course, they would just link 10 users to one email. This is a really big issue... A Mini Bone Dragon means a lot to some people (including me, but you can be sure I don't have any sockpuppets :P) -- Nova Jirouji-Nova -- (contribs) 22:11, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
I know you've blocked ~7 users, but do you have this anon growth under control? I'm sure the majority of them are sockpuppets. (I mean 200 for crying out loud!) Have you removed illegible votes? I'm sure there are a lot of them. How are you keeping track of all of this? How are you going to be sure at least the majority of the votes are eligible? I just want to know what measures are being taken, because, it's plainly obvious the majority of those people are sockpuppets. Don't forget, for those who want the mini, their votes aren't accurate too, and therefore the policy that will be voted in probably won't even be a good policy. I really hope you have this under control... -- Nova Jirouji-Nova -- (contribs) 22:20, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
User must verify their email and they must use Captcha to register. If you have any better security solution you are welcome to implement it and send it to me. As far as I know we have done evrething a wiki can do. There is no anonymous votes, there is no unverified votes. I dont see a problem. GCardinal 23:10, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
I have a sinking suspicion that we may end up with an inadequete policy from all this. In the words on good old Han Solo, "I got a bad feeling about this" Shireen 00:06, 16 May 2007 (CEST)
As with I. If Gcardinal cannot handle the problem of anons, I strongly recommend restarting voting and taking away any prizes. -- Nova Jirouji-Nova -- (contribs) 00:12, 16 May 2007 (CEST)
Sorry, I didn't see that. I meant sockpuppets by anonymous users. Anyways, are you sure that there are no duplicates of emails? -- Nova Jirouji-Nova -- (contribs) 00:14, 16 May 2007 (CEST)
More or less yes. I do check database with various sql requests to check for users who tried to fake something. Its not 100%, but it is pretty tight for a wiki to be. Remmber, even wikipedia does not requere email to be verified. GCardinal 00:19, 16 May 2007 (CEST)
Wikipedia may not require it, but then they also have the policy WP:!VOTE that says "...In addition, even in cases that appear to be 'votes', few decisions on Wikipedia are made on a 'majority rule' basis, because Wikipedia is not a democracy." and goes on from there to explain why they don't use voting and to elaborate on the difference between voting (which they avoid) and straw polls (which they do use).
By using votes for defining policy and for use in vetting, you automatically drop Wikipedia as a role model for issues related to voting processes.
The problem is voting in general on the internet. The measures taken so far will help, but should not be mistaken for a secure method. My ISP gives me 7 email addresses, and that's before adding in email accounts via hotmail, g-mail, yahoo, etc. I'm sure most users have similar or even more available accounts. You can try preventing registration from web-based email services, and blocking registration from IPs with known open-proxies, but you still won't eliminate the problem. You can't prevent it completely without solutions that would do even more harm to the site, you can only minimize it and try to manage around it.
Urgh. I'm leaning towards restarting voting with no prizes, or perhaps very minor prizes. If we get this much for a bone dragon, imagine what we'll get for a tormented item... Though I can personally verify that Fradigit is not a sockpuppet, but that's only because I watched my girlfriend create the account in the first place. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{sysop}} 01:39, 16 May 2007 (CEST)

Anyone ever consider a voter registration act of some sort? Where there is a voting registration period, followed by the voting it'self? May help prevent the 'quick spam everything!'... Would give a buffer zone to screen for proxies, and better criteria could be made (such as one of those verification picture thingies). If a narrow window for voter registration was given, and each account required a manual puch in, it might diminish concerns against these rabbid, evil, pillow stealing sock puppets. Shireen 01:51, 16 May 2007 (CEST)

Or we could require people to vote while logged out, and they sign both their IP and username. You can't sockpuppet IP addresses without another, um... I'm not sure if you need another computer or another internet connection. But either way it would limit sockpuppetry more. I have gmail, and I have 96 more invites sitting in my inbox that I could send to myself and use to create 96 more email addresses that I could use. It would at least make it less convenient to try to cheat the lottery. --Wizardboy777 02:21, 16 May 2007 (CEST)
I agree wholeheartedly with Armond. -- Nova Jirouji-Nova -- (contribs) 03:32, 16 May 2007 (CEST)
I think that anyone who goes to the trouble of setting up 86 email accounts just to try and get their policy to be voted on, has way too much time on their hands, and should find something better to do with that time. I think the voting is fine the way it is, since this is the most accurate way to vote. GCardinal has done everything you could ever hope to make this vote fair. I think we should just let it go. The only thing I think we should do is make sure the winner of the bone dragon is someone real, and not someone who made the account just to vote 86 times. Bluemilkman 04:15, 16 May 2007 (CEST)
I disagree with Wizardboy. Switching to IPs just trades one set of problems for another set. PCs at home and at work/school would be on different IPs, so two votes for everyone right there. Using IP's, anyone on dial-up can just disconnect then re-logon to get a new IP. Anyone at a university could have every PC in the computer lab vote. People in an office frequently all go through a single IP, so it would look like a single user voting multiple times instead of the actual multiple users. Then there's just using open proxies or onion routing to fake hundreds of possible IP addresses. Using IPs just requires extra work and gives the illusion of improving things, but actually offers no real benefit. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 05:39, 16 May 2007 (CEST)

small secret

Just wanted to tell that I have some more ideas on how we can give out more prizes. Next thing will be pure competition where everyone will see really great results and prize this time will be Tormented weapon of winners choice! :P GCardinal 17:41, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

Not that I wouldn't love a tormented shield (my current mantra is "I want that ****ing shield..."), but I'm worried that offering so many high-end prizes will incite even more sockpuppetry. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{sysop}} 18:19, 15 May 2007 (CEST)
Well this time it for be reward for contribution users have done to this wiki not a lottery. And if you have a better idea for a prize you are welcome to suggest it (I'am paying a bill). Think of it as extremly cheap advertising. GCardinal 23:14, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

Opinion please

I'm in the middle of a small debate, and I'd like your opinion. Please pitch in on Build talk:Invincimonk Guide. Thanks! -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{sysop}} 20:02, 15 May 2007 (CEST)

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