TNX for the welcome :D Tjubutsi 04:20, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

A well stolen first. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:35, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Spotted in RA!

<pvxbig> [build prof=ranger/monk healingprayers=12 expertise=12+1+1][Healing Breeze][patient Spirit][Jamei's Gaze][heal other][throw dirt][lightning reflexes][escape][whirling defense][/build] </pvxbig> LEET RANGER HEALER! Thank fucking god he was on our team. We got 3 wins by the way. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 13:58, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

One day if you're lucky you shall meet the might of my infuse warrior. Lord of all tyria 13:59, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
Olol. Still Eles with pets wins. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 14:29, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
LOL! i got 3 wins in a team in RA and i was using a build with arcane echo, echo, mending, rebirth and 2 other touch rezzes, blessed signe and vigerous spirit :) with 16 healing and 13 divine. we so owned the other teams :P and i even got to use rebirth!!!! Lukejohnson 18:56, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

No first for you

Haha. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:02, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

WELCOME TO PVXWIKI!!!!! - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:29, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

Thanks Panic. You look like a jovial fellow. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:32, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
Why thank you. You look like an upstanding citizen. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:35, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
<3 Dragnmn talk cont 08:54, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
I am totally more than three. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 08:58, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
<π Better? Dragnmn talk cont 09:55, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
I concede that my value probably lies between the values of three and Pi. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 09:56, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
thank you 4 the comment um do u know if ma build can work The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seanjenssen (contribs) .
Which is quite high if the scale runs from 0 to Pi. Dragnmn talk cont 13:26, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

So I heard you like free glads

Dark Pact Enfeeble Signet of Lost Souls Unholy Feast Holy Veil Vampiric Spirit Masochism Resurrection Signet
Yeah, pretty damn easy. Watch for enchant removal, specifically shatter enchant. But yeah, free glads. --M3atwad.. (talk) 20:20, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
Eww, Unholy Feast... --GoD Sig3GuildofDeals 20:21, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
Monks in RA flip shit when their party takes 310 lifestealing in 1/4 second. Pretty sweet to sit next to a monk and pact someone else, gets the lifestealing pressure on monk and some damage on whoever else. Trust me, RA is srs bsnss. --M3atwad.. (talk) 01:20, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
He's actually been doing pretty well with that build with Dark Pact as it is currently, but then again, I was running Life Sheath for glad farming. You know, that skill is actually damn handy for randomly throwing around. It's probably the longest lasting, shortest recharge prot around. Problem is Patient + Dismiss while godly, isn't that efficient. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 03:25, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
I can confirm that things similar to that build are fucking awesome. As you were, citizens. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 04:25, 23 April 2008 (EDT)


Deletion master! Went and looked at tested, was there... Hehe. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:15, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

I like "On Your Knees!" for multiple reasons, but I haven't really seen a build use it very well yet. Closest I have seen is a Gladiator's Defense farmer with Brawling Headbutt, but come on, for serious. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 10:22, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Minor Edit

stop abusing it and l2show preview. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 10:55, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

I do show preview. My edits usually follow thought patterns unrelated to seeing something in the final edit. Probably the only time I screwed up due to not previewing was when I put both Hammer Bash and On Your Knees on the same bar. The large number of minor edits is more to do with the sporadic nature of my thoughts than a lack of preview. In fact, I think I only edited a page twice in a row, with nothing else occuring in between, once. Just filter out minor edits if it bothers you. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 11:00, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
But then I will see edits that are like 2 hours old! :/ Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 11:34, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
So then deal with my minor edits! :D Most of them were results of discussion with Ricky anyway. I'm happy with the build now though so I'll stop. I'll give the author overnight to look at it, then dump it in testing. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 11:36, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Or most likely revert everything, screw up the formatting and remove everything that resembles order and move it back to stub. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 11:37, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
I forgot that he will make a drama post on your talk page about it too :D Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 11:38, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
In which case I'll grab the build from History, make a new page and win the day while his build gets trashed, yay! I don't hold too much confidence for the build in it's current form in vetting tbh though. I expect a lot of "be a warrior primary" and "take a normal thumper". - Miserysig1isery -TALK 11:39, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Me too. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 11:42, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
And then there will, of course, be the whining about stifled creativity, how noone's tested it, something about cookie cutters, and finally by saying everyone is stupid and he doesn't care 'cause he's just gonna keep on playing it anyway. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 11:47, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
I'll probably keep playing it, it looks like it will pwn. Picture a TA team, with two of these and Renewal Warmongers. Leet. It will be the new Sway frontliner when scythes get nerfed. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 11:50, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Ye sure... then I will play my erf shakuur build and own ya momma :P Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 11:57, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
You are right, if replacing R/Ds, Urf Shakur for Magehunter. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 11:59, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Misery, you'll run that then I'll beat with balanced. Or cov if im feeling paticularly lame. The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 12:00, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Or I could run balanced and you could beat me with balanced? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 12:03, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

ur ign

wut is it? Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 14:31, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Oh I don't have an IGN, I'm just a theory crafting whore. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 14:35, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
kk. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 15:11, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
The sad thing is, I even used preview to make sure I didn't fuck it up. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 15:14, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Sellin' misery's ign, 25k. Brandnew pew pew me!
Dude, it's in history twice now, if people really want it, they can get it. Plus at least like 12 people on this wiki know it by now, I just want it to be a pain in the ass for people to get so I don't get randoms. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 15:18, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Can see where thats coming from. Brandnew pew pew me! hadn't even thought of history yet, but w/e I/other people prolly don't need your IGN anyway do they?
I like cupcakes, do you? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 15:24, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
You are making it too easy for people, let them figure! :) Brandnew pew pew me! 15:43, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

LOL banned

for 62 hours. --M3atwad.. (talk) 15:52, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

What'd you do? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 15:55, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Inappropriate language, I'm assuming it was when I flamed out a few pugs in HA last night. After running lighting sway or whatev, we did some sway and got an RD using natural healing and attackers insight. Not asking for pings is ftl. Flamed him hardcore, spammed the shit out of him with PMs and whatnot. A few others got the same loving care. --M3atwad.. (talk) 16:14, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
At least I'll get some sleep tonight then. I overslept an hour this morning. Sucks to be you though. New update fucked quite a few things, can't unlock anything from Priests of Balthazar. I'm just being gay and running Lightning Thumper. I guess we'll try gayway when you are unbanned. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 16:18, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
I sure fucking hope I'll get my tourney reward points from my predictions... I'll QQ if I don't. I did see that dark pact revert, take longer next time anet? --M3atwad.. (talk) 16:30, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
You usually have like a month to collect them, so shouldn't be a problem. I'm starting to be able to use Lightning Thumper pretty good. Makes me want to rage a little TBH. Maybe RA version could use Soldier's Strike with For Great Justice! That would give epic adrenaline. Lemme try. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 16:38, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Holy fucking shit. I see why you rolled people with Soldier's Strike. Fit Infuriating Heat into your build, with For Great Justice you KD recharges practically instantly, pressure is insane. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 16:45, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
I had a build setup for AB using watch yourself and soldiers strike, worked meh tbh. For RA, soldier's strike is nice but tactics has few shouts, and most suck. FGJ has a long ass recharge, I feel that it is a bit unnecessary. Infuriating Heat is an interesting choice, not sure how we'd fit it into an HA build. Our DA para was working pretty well for our soldier's strike to stay up. Then we switched to Anthem of Fury. Good fucking game. --M3atwad.. (talk) 16:58, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Omg, you are so right, Anthem of Fury. Jesus. Get unbanned. I want to run that with you. Saturday night I guess, or are you banned then too? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 17:02, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Just checked, it says 61 hours. It's 5:04 pm here, fuck math. --M3atwad.. (talk) 17:06, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
48 hours is two days, so you are banned till some time Sunday. Fuck. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 17:08, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Now would be a great time to have a backup account. --M3atwad.. (talk) 17:13, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
I have like 18. TOO BAD. The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 17:13, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
An IRL friend is prolly gonna let me borrow his. Not going to have NF or EotN skills, and it's still not guaranteed to happen, but.. (rawr I need you) --M3atwad.. (talk) 17:21, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Oh I'd say a good 17 of them are prophecies only, 4 char slots, 2 elites unlocked at best. The other isnt exactly mine and is on loan to someone else atm (unless their acc is unbanned by now) The preceding awesome-sauce comment was added by Rawr. 17:22, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, didn't work out. It wasn't his account either, and the real account owner is a flaming douche. PvP unlock kit gogo? --M3atwad.. (talk) 17:23, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Going to a friends house soon, hopefully I can find a credit card to buy my unlock kit with. 18 and I don't even have my permit yet, and as such can't open a bank account in my name yet lawl. --M3atwad.. (talk) 17:40, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

QQ, looks like I'm gonna have to wait out my ban. Sucks too because I fucking love the dragon arena dodgeball shit, good thing they're keeping it until Tuesday. Once I actually figure out what time on Sunday I get unbanned, I'll plan ahead and make sure I'm awake unless it's unreasonably close to school time on Monday. --M3atwad.. (talk) 23:51, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

4am Sunday morning I think. Maybe just wake up at a normal time in the morning, with no GW you can go to bed early, it's not like you were going to go out or anything on a Saturday night. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 03:45, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Here is my lame take on a Lightning Thumper in TA for you M3atwad. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:32, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
I have to do community service on saturday for gov't class, but yeah I'll just go to bed early saturday so I can get up at 4am. I'm impressed by your TA build, tbh. I'd say drop "Lead the way" for Anthem of Flame. Helps you alot when keeping up aggressive refrain, which you'll need to do for that 10 adren mofo. IMO, this would rape, only problem being current meta is unblockable, we'd have to work that out. One rend enchant won't cut it. --M3atwad.. (talk) 13:58, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

One hour left according to logon screen. Gonna go play a match of Savage 2, then try again. --M3atwad.. (talk) 04:50, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Going to a sausage festival. I'll be on tonight though. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:52, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Sprint vs Rush

I'm hoping Readem reads this. I'm just trying to understand your reasoning for Sprint>Rush. Rush does become pretty maintainable too after the initial buildup as long as you aren't hit with a Blackout or something, but I suppose adrenaline builds slower because you have to recast it all the time. I don't find the problem with Sprint is so much that I am Frenzy whoring, but rather that I am Shock whoring, so I am always in negative energy due to exhaustion. I like to shock during a spike or Bull's -> Shock so I need 15 energy in the tank, or due to my shock whoring getting 10 for Bull's -> Frenzy can be a stretch. Finding another 5 would be bloody hard. I currently run with no Radiants or Attunements. Am I a)Shock Whoring too much, b)Not running Radiants or Attunements when I should be or c)Should just carry a high energy set to swap to for cancelling if I need to. Also, is the main reason you don't like Rush just because maintaining it slows Adrenaline gain and it can't be used to split? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 17:56, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Well, here are just some of the reasons I prefer sprint over rush:

  • Amazing on a split.
  • If you get killed before timer, running the flag is always faster than walking.
  • It doesn't really matter. Constantly canceling with rush, just wastes adrenalin. Frenzy is a great skill, but should be used only when necessary. Ever since LoD was nerfed, cleaning up frenzy has become increasingly difficult/painful.
  • IAS vs IMS; not a big difference in the broad spectrum of things. Your targets should always be kiting, and thus you will never truly receive the complete benefits from frenzy. Although the DPS may be marginally higher (while in frenzy), I am merely trading it for positional advantage.
  • Shock should be used sparingly. Oftentimes, I see warriors spamming it, or attempting to Qknock with it. This is a terrible waste. Shock should be used when attempting to boost (especially setting up blocks), or on a split (where it truly shines, as it sets up your cripshot). There are however, certain times when shock is merely a decent way to disrupt a team.

Why Sprint over rush, and vice versa:

  • Rush is a great skill in HA. Since teams often target the caller for a spike, being able to negate 2-300 damage is rather useful. There is also no need to split, making it quite valuable in terms of efficiency. I still would run rush in certain builds, such as this:
Eviscerate Body Blow Distracting Strike Bull&#039;s Strike Dark Prison Frenzy Rush Resurrection Signet

A pretty generic euro telespike bar with DP instead of DC. AR is precasted before the jump. Now as you can probably tell, that bar is an energy whore. There is no need for sprint, as in the euro metagame, splitting is not popular.

  • Sprint has always been amazing. Few Warrior were actually able to run it however, prior to its most recent buff. The reason being? Even the big ballers (such as polly), are frenzy whores. If you ever get the chance to watch Umpy or Smgz (pretty much the last of their kind that still play GW), they rarely use frenzy. They focus on qstepping and timing, which in GW, separates you from the good people and the bad. See above, for my additional reasons.

ps, run all survivor as a war. Just don't waste energy, and you will be fine. When running shock, run a high axe. --Readem 00:11, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I've been running all survivor on practically everything these days, there is seldom an excuse for not doing so, some spike sins need radiants, but I don't like sins anyway. All that makes perfect sense and is along the lines of what I was thinking and is fairly compelling in a GvG setting, but then, I ask you, like Rawr did, why Sprint in TA? Is it purely from an adrenaline building point of view, or more just you are used to in from GvG so it makes sense to standardise your play style and retain good habits across all arenas? Also, I'm hoping that my noobness isn't showing too much, but qstepping? I assume it's a different thing to qlocking, is it basing interrupts off when you see a target stop moving? What exactly do you mean by timing, just timing spikes and target switching or cancelling between axe attacks occasionally to retime your attack interval? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:41, 26 April 2008 (EDT)
Here's my basic Sprint vs. Rush thing. Sprint has no start-up for adrenaline, thus it can be used as a general IMS/need-to-go-there-faster skill, not just a cancel. Still, in combat, its canceling abilities compared to Rush aren't nearly as good. Rush, on the other hand, is ONLY a canceler and doesn't do much outside of combat. Sprint is also old school: It used to be the meta canceler > Rush. --GoD Sig3GuildofDeals 06:50, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

Qstepping - The ability to move midway through an attack to gain positional advantage (Ex: The Chiizu dance). It is only possible via click to move, or in very special circumstances (or if you are as stubborn as smgz) you can use wasd to do it as well. Only since recently have I been learning to do it, since I just recently purchased a new computer (which has thus enabled me to try). In TA, the difference between rush and sprint is so minimal, it barely makes any difference. Position advantage and field view are quite possibly the most important aspects for a Warrior, Ranger, and monk. Knowing how long it takes to get to a target, while snared (and the duration you are blinded on blind set) are important for a not only the caller, but frontliners in general. --Readem 22:20, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

Ok, thanks Readem. I think there are a few things I need to work on before I look into q-stepping, but knowing what the heck people are talking about helps. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:40, 27 April 2008 (EDT)


Wanna TA tonight? We can run Lameway if you let me be the Paragon; 'cause I know you wanna run the thumper. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 04:38, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Heh, maybe. I'm tweaking the Paragon atm. I'm thinking "Lead the Way" over Godspeed. Also realised I don't have a reliable shout to maintain Aggressive Refrain atm, having a look but maybe Anthem of Weariness to give an easy trigger condition for Stunning Strike. I'd probably monk tbh, could get any retard to run the Lightning Thumper. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:44, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Godliest maybe? Not meaning he's a retard; I mean he likes thumpers. I can swap to Rit at some point but I'm in the mood for spear chucking. I'll have a look at the Paragon too. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 04:53, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
All looks fine. We might be gagging for interrupts and something to remove hex stacks but whatever. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:02, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, daze is the only interrupt. Two copies of Holy Veil is pretty good for hexes, other option would be to make the Rit a /Me for Inspired/Revealed Hex. I'm kind of more worried about blindbots, hence Draw. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:07, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
If you are worried about blind you could always take antidote signet instead of throw dirt? Brandnew pew pew me! 05:10, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Oh, that's only 4 second recharge. I thought it was longer. Maybe. Guess we'll run it and see how it goes. Throw Dirt is pretty optional. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:14, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
We won't really have enchantment removal either. Maybe we need to fiddle the Rit and Para a little bit. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:15, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
There is room on the Paragon, could just chuck rend or rip on him but Guardian isn't so much of a problem for the Thumper as half the attack skills are unblockable. I don't think Spirit Bond will trip very often either, it's more of a pressure than a spike build. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:21, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking more of Spirit Bond and Prot Spirit than guardian tbh. Let's just run it and see how it goes. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:26, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Agreed, got my IGN? Godliest has it if you don't or dig through history. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:27, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
I think I got it. If not, I'll spam Godliest with my Do Not Disturb on until he gives it to me. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:30, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Do we have a Vent channel? Probably won't need it but it would be a laugh anyway. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:31, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
I've got access to a couple of Vent channels. We can use one of those. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:33, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Next problem; no one wants to play a build with such a thumper with you guys. Brandnew pew pew me! No one with self respect at least.
We already have 3 people. I managed to convince people to run Superpowered Vengeance Way with me. Finding one more person won't be a problem. Best case I convince one of the guys I HA with to come. Worst case I get a fail guildie. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:37, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Or even a PUGfag. The Rit isn't that complicated tbh. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:38, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Usage: Maintain Weapon of Fury on both the Paragon and the Thumper, don't die, don't be a retard. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:40, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
If you die: Flame your monk and scream rezzzzzzz all over team chat? (Been playing to much RA, can't stand those guys.) Brandnew pew pew me!

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!! - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:44, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Breaking combo's on your own talk, thats leet. Brandnew pew pew me! 05:46, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

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I love when the whole team's dead in RA except the monk and some idiot is screaming "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?! REZZZZZZ!". <3 - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:47, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Or when I'm the only one left, used my signet. (Even called it.) And people start screaming: OMGOMGOMG REZZZZZZZZZZ LOLOLOL HE DIDNT BROUGHT ANY NOOB!!!! Brandnew pew pew me! 05:49, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Nice reversal. It's hard to tell sometimes if people are not rezzing because they suck or because they have no faith in the team. Last night had it's moments. The Chillblains Mending monk. The hammer necromancer. The blood pet minions necromancer. These guys were all just griefing. I can't be too fucked off, I was running a lightning thumper. The one that really annoyed me was the E/A telespiker would would spike early, die a lot and rage, when our team was winning. I got that bastard twice, at least he got dishonor then logged off. Hope that bastard has a nasty surprise when he comes back online. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:50, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
When I'm bored, I run IW Mesmer. I can actually manage to get Glad points with it regularly. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:52, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Kk, I'm done for, had a riposte monk (Which I can understand, fun2play.) A mending wammo and a lingering curse necro on my team. Goodbye GW:) Brandnew pew pew me!
IW=imba in 1v1 against people believing they are good with their wammos and betting 15k on it. (the only time i played 1v1 tbh.) Brandnew pew pew me!
I kind of want to run an Offering of Spirit Boon Prot. It seems like it might just be retarded enough to work to me. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:58, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
I once beat an Apply Poison/Deadly Riposte/Dolyak Signet wammo 1v1 with a shock axe through leet interrupts and kiting. Lips go on peener pls.
Also, Misery, double Boon/Boon Signet GOGOGOGOGOGO -- 06:01, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

I want BL to become meta again >< Brandnew pew pew me! 06:02, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Motidervish was my favourite glad point of all time. The fucked up thing was, no one raged at me whole time I was running it, they were more like "Extra healing is always good!" - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:04, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Wtf is a motidervish, must have missed that part. Brandnew pew pew me! 06:06, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Healer derv packing Mending Refrain and Never Surrender imo. -- 06:07, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!! Brandnew pew pew me! My first one ever, so proud.

No fail 71.229. That would not work in RA. It was a SCYTHE Dervish with Mending Refrain, Aria of Restoration, Chorus of Restoration, Ballard of Restoration, Restoring Finale, Purifying Finale and Chorus of Zeal. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:10, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
I'd probably flame you and put you in leet. Brandnew pew pew me!
lolol -- 06:13, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Originally it used Vow of Silence for the synergy with a motivation healer, but it turned out to be far more effective with Ballard of Restoration and no Mysticism. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:15, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
That's pretty fucking amazing tbh. -- 06:18, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Let's run 4 of them for a fucking laugh. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 06:22, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
I thought a no offense team was bannable? Brandnew pew pew me! 06:37, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Motidervish have offence. It's 14 Scythe Mastery and auto-attacking with a scythe. That's actually reasonable DPS. Now, back from lunch, let me read the rest. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:23, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Mending Refrain Aggressive Refrain Chorus of Restoration Ballad of Restoration Finale of Restoration Purifying Finale Crippling Victory Resurrection Signet

Mending Refrain Aggressive Refrain Chorus of Restoration Ballad of Restoration Finale of Restoration Purifying Finale Crippling Victory Resurrection Signet

Aggressive Refrain &quot;Go for the Eyes!&quot; Anthem of Flame Crippling Anthem Anthem of Envy Eremite&#039;s Attack Mystic Sweep Resurrection Signet

Aggressive Refrain &quot;Go for the Eyes!&quot; Anthem of Flame Anthem of Guidance &quot;Never Surrender!&quot; Eremite&#039;s Attack Mystic Sweep Resurrection Signet

Can we run P/Ds something like this? - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 06:48, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Less Crippling Victory, more Find Their Weakness imo. -- 06:52, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Yeah. Kiting is going to be annoying so I was thinking we need some cripple. Not sure on Anthem or just Victory. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 06:53, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
brb. Gonna Sandbox. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 06:54, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Y/N? --M3atwad.. (talk) 20:09, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
By the way, Symbiotic Bond.. does it require a pet to be alive to work? --M3atwad.. (talk) 20:18, 25 April 2008 (EDT)


Right. User:Panic/Build - ScythagonWAY Let's laugh at it, sharpen it up, and then run it for laughs. I think mebbe we need to drop the second Motigon for something with hex removal though. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:11, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

71.229 TA Paraway
Hex removal is for pussies and women. D:< --71.229 07:12, 25 April 2008 (EDT) but srsly, infuser's rez > holy veil?
I'm using Expel Hexes on 71's Cervix! I guess it's true we don't really need hex removal when you could just stop attacking and spam shouts instead. As for rez>veil I dunno. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:15, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
I think it needs another CoRestoration. Maybe swap Never Surrender for Anthem of Envy, then drop the two AoEs on the scythegons for 2x CoR? --71.229 07:23, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
That makes more sence, the extra healing would be good and Attacking once with a scythe yould have more benefit than casting AoE.Klumpeet 07:25, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
I think all I have to say is O_o and I'm in. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:26, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Or one CoR and one NS. I dunno, I'm headed to bed. Maybe get Fwr involved, he likes making paragon horseshit as much as I do. :D --71.229 07:28, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Ok then. Everyone over to my sandbox to make my build better. I'm thinking we drop Scythes entirely on mine and just go with spears... - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:29, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
I think 71.229's version has too few scythes, but Panic needs less clones. You only need like one copy of each Finale, so chuck in some leetness like Ballard of Restoration. Only need one copy of Anthem of Flame, Aggressive Refrain will be a joke to keep up. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:32, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

so i hurd

u're gunna pvp, can i come too? and grammer is b0r1ng. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 10:20, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, when I get home and have eaten. I'm guessing it will be about... 4 hours from now? Sound like we are only going to run gimmicks. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 10:23, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
seems very gud to me. and wut arena? Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 10:24, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
TA. If we get enough people the lameness could be expanded to HA. If you scroll up you'll see the discussion of builds. It's also spread all over the wiki a bit. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 10:25, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
gimmicks Godly. Gimmicks. Raor! 4 hours sounds good to me. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 10:27, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
I should just mention that my sense of time in imprecise, but if you are waiting for me just sync motidervish in RA. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 10:32, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
Come on, man! It's been like a whole day. Where are you?!?!?!?! - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 06:49, 26 April 2008 (EDT)
I got some pie? It took some time to eat it. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 12:12, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

Where are you?

(sneaky Portal reference in the topic name) I want to TA or HA! Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 14:48, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm cooking, like last night too, ain't me eating a bitch. I do have to call my parents in two hours though. They have actually been seriously freaking out thinking I'm dead because I didn't email them in 2 weeks. Well that's not entirely true. I did email them. But the emails were short. This worried them. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 14:50, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

WTB Opinions

On Cowardmonk for RA <pvxbig> [build prof=monk/warrior healingprayers=12+1+1 protectionprayers=10+1 divinefavor=8+1][Patient Spirit][Dismiss Condition][Coward][Spirit Bond][Guardian][Holy Veil][Shield Bash][Contemplation of Purity][/build] </pvxbig> Comments, criticisms? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 16:53, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

My question: why? --Super Igor 04:57, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
Because Useful Healer was 6/8th awesome, this bar is 7/8th awesome and you can use "Coward!" to add pressure, as a self defence tool, as a snare, it's pretty versatile really. I've actually found this build to be an epic training tool because it gets your eyes off the red bars to look for potential targets to use it "Coward!" on. It's a continuation of my whole flexible elites in monk arena bars thing. I maybe took it too far... - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:00, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
Looks like a fucking stupid build. Wasting your elite for something a warrior or para could do much better. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 05:10, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
WoH is almost a waste in RA with Patient on a bar. That being said, running WoH does make life pretty easy, double redundancy means you can be stupid and get either diverted and be ok. I was running RC last night on that bar, was pretty epic. The funny part was, the hardest pressure to deal with became stuff that didn't include a deep wound. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:21, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Hero Battle Gimmicks

I want to run some, so I need opinions. I WANTED to run a Shock Axe with two glass arrow spikers, which I would micro to spike, and a monk, but I think block block block will rape me, so perhaps DA Scythe or SA Sin instead of Shock Axe. I'm also curious to see if heroes will use "Coward!" epicly or fail with it. Other thoughts I've had are copying frv and running Gust Spike or taking like 3 warriors, not splitting and just ganking all over the place. 2 Magebanes, a monk and a Migraine mesmer perhaps? I don't really care if I win or not, I just want to do some awesome annoying things to people trying to play HB properly. I'm pathetically ranked so I should even be able to get like a 50% win rate running this stuff. At least half the people I come up against run Resurrect on their warriors. Resurrect. The 25% health 0% energy 6 second cast one. For serious. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:34, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

FOUR MAGEBANES. PUT SOME HAIR ON YOUR ASS. --71.229 06:35, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
But I fail at Magebane and my ass is pretty hairy already. I need to run more mesmers to be honest, thin it out a bit. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:37, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Okay, two Magebanes. I hear Crippling Anguish wins HB. --71.229 06:43, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Hrm... that probably involves capping and stuff though... Maybe I could run 2 Cripshots, Crippling Anguish and then just be a dick. Or a "Coward!" paragon, those are funny. Run away, throw a few spears, "Coward!", run a bit more. Listen to the rage in all chat. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:45, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
One CA mes, one Cripshot, one Maiming/Coward para, one Amity monk. :D --71.229 06:47, 28 April 2008 (EDT) yes, amity
How does CA win HB? 50% less movement until it gets removed, imo snares need to be spammable (eg. cripshit) if used at all. Lol@amity. ~ Klumpeet 10:59, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

not bad The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xorz (contribs) .

Klumpeet, you seem to have made a mistake, what you didn't realise is that 71.229 and I consider this discussion to be srs bsns. Please modify your mindset accordingly. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 11:02, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Sry, its hard to understand sarcasm-type-stuff writted down. ~ Klumpeet 11:04, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Stop Hand Learn to grammar!
Written not Writted
~ Klumpeet 11:05, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
It's not so much sarcasm as suggestions for griefing in hero battles. I think I still prefer finding some good 4 man spikes to run and microing them. I could try gothspike or soulbarbs shadowstep spike, but I think that might take too much microing and be too slow. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 11:07, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
And lolfail at lern2grammuring yourself. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 11:07, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
4 scythe rangers gogogo. ~ Klumpeet 11:12, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Something I found out: Rspike doesn't work. Not when you're the one healing, not when you spike and a hero heals. You can't split, and you can't beat the AI's reflexes that easily. It is possible, but not advised. (I ran 3 Conjure Glass spikers BTW) Dragnmn talk cont 13:31, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
That's why you take a physical and just use the Glass Arrow spikers to support your spike. A Shock Axe can get kills on it's own, but it's a damn sight easier with spike support. Yeah, you can't split, it's not really for winning, but you can get wins at low rating because people suck and will let you kill them. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 13:36, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Gonna try with Shock Axe tomorrow then, thanks. I think it works better as well. Problem with heros is that they use skills about every second, which can be hard to time. Dragnmn talk cont 13:56, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
I haven't actually tried the glass arrows yet, you mean that they don't follow straight up with the 1/4 cast queued even if you micro them? Yeah, heroes can be bitches like that. For that reason I was thinking of following up with Sloth Hunter's as heroes spike slow anyway, with Savage and Dshot left to their discretion. Of course you disable the spike skills and micro them. I don't think Shock Axe will work because of all the prot and blockway in HB, I recommend a DA scythe and a SA sin might work too, but I stress I haven't tried any of this yet. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 13:59, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
As far as I noticed, they do. The problem is, that they have a sort of timer. Every time it ticks, which I think is once every second, they obey a command. That's the problem. The player is always early. Dragnmn talk cont 15:03, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
I got some kills on some bad people, but no wins. I had a rofl match against a monk player, killed her like 12 times, still lost though, just outcapped, hahahaha. The timing is too slow for R-spike, might get away with a slower one like blood, gothspike or gust/rift. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 15:13, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

(RESET) Gothspike? What's that? Also, I can't imagine Bloodspike being strong enough if you have 4 people spiking. Dragnmn talk cont 15:40, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

That shovespike that was all the rage in TA for a while. Problem is, you would need to micro like 4 skills on 3 heroes, reasonable survivability though, could probably even split with it. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 15:58, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Bit too much hassle, think I'll simply go rspike (love that build whenever I run it) or capway. Or don't do it altogether and go for some HA. Shutting down now. Dragnmn talk cont 16:04, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
The only spike heroes can really handle is Discord 'cause they use it the instant the conditions are met. --71.229 17:44, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
I tested Discord. Didn't work. Dragnmn talk cont 09:47, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

cough, cough

well tags are supposed to go on trial builds. Antiarchangel Antiarchangel No U Sig NO U 08:51, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah ok... But it's not nice, MEANIE! People were going mad reverting WELLs on trials before. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 08:54, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
It's nice to tell them once on the talk page that the build is bad for whatever reason and if their reaction is one that indicates they don't plan on changing it, then WELL it. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 08:57, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, even if you CAN well builds in trial I don't really think you should, it tends to just end up in QQing, especially with reasons like "generally bad skills". People who make such builds aren't liable to know what the heck you are talking about. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 08:59, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Build:P/any_Aggressive_Spear_Paragon needs to keep a WELL tag tbh. Yes, it's in Trial, but it's been posted like a thousand times before with very slightly different attack skills and the author seems to be intent that three or four attack skills with TNTF! as an afterthought is a good Paragon build. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 09:09, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Just revert me, everyone does *sniffle*. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 09:11, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
No. Don't care anymore tbh. I was kind of annoyed that Rapta took it off when it was still a stub without even looking at the talk page. When you took it off I just thought "Fine. Let it move to testing so it can get vetted badly and we can have the whole QQing about 'Bad Votes' and how 'no one tested it' and how it 'suits the author's style'. </cynicism>" - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 09:16, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Look at ScythagonWAY now that it's no longer Scythagons and suggest:
  1. A third attribute for the second Para
  2. Improvements for the necro
  3. The proper monk.
thx. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 11:20, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Scythagons were better :( Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 13:44, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Totally agree and with them if you rolled anyone you could dance on their corpses. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 13:45, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
But no one wanted to run them. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 13:50, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
If you're going to turn srs then just go wrn or sumthing and win. For TA lame builds are funnier. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 13:51, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Wasn't so much srs as a gimmicky Monk ganker tbh. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 13:52, 28 April 2008 (EDT)


Hello and welcome to PvXWiki. You might want to familiarize yourself with policy before posting so as not to piss off your well-meaning peers. This one happens to be my favorite, so you should start there Enjoy!--Kickside 18:45, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

...Misery NPA's? Maybe you shouldn't make unnecessaryily cheesy wanna-be "insults" and instead just keep to yourself! Thanks! --GoD Sig3GuildofDeals 18:52, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
el oh el Misery > you Antiarchangel Antiarchangel No U Sig NO U 18:52, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Rerviving Boon Prot

I wanna play Boon Prot. Boon Prot was awesome back in the day, I used it in PvE and everyone thought I was leet. I'm trying to make a halfway viable RA version. I ran this once last night and got 9 wins first up until I hit Corrupt Enchantments and a whole stack of hexes, just couldn't keep up and Divine Boon was constantly stripped, wrecked my energy management etc. Anyway, wtb opinions, suggestions, stupidity. <pvxbig> [build prof=monk/any divinefavor=12+1+1 protectionprayers=12+1][Boon Signet][Reversal of Fortune][Dismiss Condition][Guardian][Shielding Hands][Holy Veil][Divine Boon][Contemplation of Purity][/build] </pvxbig> - Miserysig1isery -TALK 03:48, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Shield Bash. -- 03:50, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
I should have seen that one coming, but Tab says Shield Bash is a cowardly skill. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:06, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking I could replace shielding hands, which is basically there to occasionally feed Boon Signet while still being useful, with a more or less useless skill to feed Boon Signet. What I came up with were cheap long lasting skills such as: Way of the Master, Way of Perfection, Aura of Thorns, Smiter's Boon, Faithful Intervention and Illusion of Weakness. Another option that might be viable with some attribute investment would be Channeling, just drop prot by one point to get 6 Inspiration and 27 seconds of Channeling. My other preference would be Aura of Thorns as it is cheap, lasts a while and would give a short cripple duration to help kiting. Thoughts? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:32, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Channeling would be good. -- 04:50, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Channeling makes Boon Prot pretty spiffy in PvE. Dunno if you'll get enough passive energy from it in RA though. It's pretty sustainable if you get about +3 energy per cast. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 04:57, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
It will also boost Boon Signet's energy gain by 2 every 5 seconds to return 12 energy on each cast + whatever Channeling nets you, so you net 57 energy plus Channeling stuff. That actually sounds pretty viable. Enchantment stripping will still rape it, but at least stuff will be more covered. Oh and I should mention, bloody difficult to play, totally inferior to a normal monk, but it's Boon Prot so less than three. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:00, 30 April 2008 (EDT)EDIT:Channeling isn't a monk spell...
A hard heal would be nice. GoH? Attribute spread wouldn't that much, I guess, just chip off some Prot. -StarSeeker | My talk 05:03, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
It's Boon Prot... Everything is a hard heal, plus prot. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:05, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Feck, brain fart. >__> -StarSeeker | My talk 05:11, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Here. Have a Reversal of Fortune. With 100 health tacked on. <3 - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:14, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Timezone flip

Starting Friday the 2nd and for the next two weeks my timezone is changing by -10 hours, so if you are looking for me in game at my usual times, you are screwed. That is all. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:35, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

ohaidere California? - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 06:38, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Ok... by -10 I mean 10 hours ahead so wrong way. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:40, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
G'day Queensland? - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 06:46, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Bloody close this time, Auckland, New Zealand. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:50, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
I know someone from Auckland. You probably know them, too. I hear every kiwi knows every other kiwi. Some kind of Maori hive-mind I reckon. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 06:53, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
We are not amused. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:54, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Tell me you have a moko. That would be so awesome. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 06:56, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Sorry, I had to chose between a taiaha and getting a moko. Taiaha wins imo. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:59, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
"When the british arrived in New Zealand, they thought the bayonet was the most deadly hand-to-hand weapon. That was before they met Maori warriors with their taiahas." Or something like that. been ages since I've seen Once Were Warriors. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:04, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
That movie totally tells you everything you need to know about New Zealand. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:07, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
MAKE THE MAN SOME EGGS, WOMAN! Also, Bro Town was better. So long as you kinda new the slang already. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:13, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

On a side note, you should run this in PvE using a cap signet: <pvxbig> [build prof=W/N death=10 str=11 tac=10]["Fear Me!"][Putrid Explosion][Flourish]["I Will Avenge You!"][Balanced Stance][Strip Enchantment][Virulence][Demonic Flesh][/build] </pvxbig> - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:18, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Flourish without attack skills is awesome. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:24, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Template code. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:25, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
lol <3 - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:27, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
I was trying SO hard to get only one elite in there. >_< - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:28, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Shame about that. Also, slightly better: <pvxbig> [build prof=W/N death=10 str=11 tac=10]["Fear Me!"][Putrid Explosion][Flourish]["I Will Avenge You!"][Balanced Stance][Strip Enchantment][Virulence][Shadow of Fear@0][/build] </pvxbig> - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:38, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

I swear I tried that and kept getting Gale or something, maybe I didn't try both capitalisations. Anyway, awesome thing to try and do when you are bored. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:42, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Yeah I got Gale when I tried "iC". - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:54, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Just had a random thought. lolRA mebbe?

Sever Artery Gash Shove Stonesoul Strike Holy Strike Frenzy Rush Resurrection Signet

Something like 10+1Sw/10+1+1T/11Sm? - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 10:43, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Lolfail, read Shove. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 10:44, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
sigh. don't even need to. Pretty sure I know what the snag is. Mebbe Magehunter then instead? I wasn't using other tactics skills anyway. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 10:47, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
BACKBREAKER! Or Erf Shakuur! Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 10:48, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
(EC)Backbreaker->Crushing->Both smites, that might just fit. The concept gets thrown around the wiki occasionally, I don't think people like it because hammers do big domoge anyway and this is just expensive on a warrior. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 10:49, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Oooooor, SoJ over Shove? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 10:50, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Maybe. It's only .25 seconds longer but that means an almost guaranteed dshot. I could probably run 12Sw/12Sm with it though. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 10:55, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Who dshots a warrior's SoJ in RA? For serious. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 10:58, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Heroic jerks who want to annoy me. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 11:39, 30 April 2008 (EDT)


so i herd u put a untested build as tested featured... Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 13:44, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Actually... if you follow history... you did? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 14:03, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
You actually put that build there, I just restored it when someone removed it leaving a slot empty without checking. You renamed Renewing Remedy Rit incorrectly so... NO U! - Miserysig1isery -TALK 14:16, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Glad Title

I'm approaching the next tier and I've decided that for my glad title when I get close to a higher rank I will only run stupid gimmicks to get my last glad points. I'm about 27 points off at the moment so I'm asking, how many points should I have to get only with gimmicks(instead of monking which is the easy way), and what gimmicks should I run? At the moment I'm running Double Boon Smite, which is a borderline gimmick anyway I suppose, but it ownzzzzzzzz. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 18:36, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Flare Flare ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 18:42, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
Go go! ~ ĐONT*TALK 01:22, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

<pvxbig> [build prof=R/D WildernessSurvival=11+1+2 Marksmanship=10+1 WindPrayers=10][Poison Tip Signet][Attacker's Insight][Concussion Shot] [Optional][Troll Unguent][Grenth's Grasp][Barbed Arrows][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig> <pvxbig> [build prof=W/A Swo=12+1+1 Str=8+1 Sha=10][Caltrops][Knee Cutter][Sun And Moon Slash][Dragon Slash][Frenzy][Rush][Bull's Strike][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig> Stolen from my Sandbox. Pretty much everything from there is lame enough to work :p Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 07:41, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Epic Fucking Win

It's the new RA meta: <pvxbig> [build prof=P/A sha=10 spe=12+1+1 comma=4+1 lea=7+1][Hidden Caltrops][Vicious Attack]["Go for the Eyes!"][Harrier's Toss][Spear of Redemption][Anthem of Flame][Aggressive Refrain][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig> Lost on my 10th with no monk, we even bet a two monk team 3v4. Ten wins would have been worth a screen shot, make me sad. After my first match everyone except me left, cannot work out why. Oh on a side note, I am looking for suggestions to improve the concept, I don't paragon very much, can you tell? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 21:03, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Better than Cripslash? Nowai. ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 21:05, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Does cripslash add 55 damage? This is a spike biotch, I was actually running this first:

[build prof=W/A sha=10 sword=12+1+1 strength=8+1][Hidden Caltrops][Sever Artery][Gash][Knee Cutter][Bull's Strike][Frenzy][Rush][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig>

But no one kites in RA, so it didn't bloody work and it felt like half my bar was wasted. True story, suck. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 21:09, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Are you

Stopping over in Hong Kong? - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:58, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Berlin -> Frankfurt -> Sydney -> Auckland, so no. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:31, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
Ah. Sydney stop over. So you'll be on the plane for what? 21 hours? 22? - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:35, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
Probably something like that. I think with stop overs the total time till destination is like 30 hours. I'm not going to add up flight time. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:36, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
so i hurd getting shit faced on duty free alcohol wuz gud? - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:40, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
You hurd correct. It's a bit of a bitch to take with you these days with all the liquid restrictions though. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:41, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
do they restrict you on stuff bought after you've been through security? That sucks. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:43, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
They don't restrict it, but you have to jump through hoops for them and you can only buy it at your final stop over or the hoops are smaller or something. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 08:07, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
yeah... buying it once you get to Sydney sort of defeats the purpose... - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 09:19, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
Free plane alcohol ftw? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 09:20, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
Are you in first class or are you in coach? 'cause in coach they'll only give you a free one like once every 2 hours at the very most. And they'll be tiny cocktail cans. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 09:24, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
Coach, but in my experience Qantas is all to happy to help you get shit-faced. I asked for one whiskey last time and the guy gave me 3 doubles. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 09:27, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
Oh. You're flying with the Aussies. Bonzer. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 09:28, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
The worst thing about stopping over in Australia is the Australians. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 09:30, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
The best part is that everyone wants to be drunk as much as you do. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 09:34, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
What's wrong with Aussies? - (rĕ'küt ŏv ū'rūk)Ranger-icon-small[snō hwīt tăn] 01:20, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
They're Australian. ;) - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:07, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
An entire continent of convicts? I'm just surprised they haven't raped New Zealand yet. -- 05:08, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
NZ is full of Maoris. In antipodian countries, Maoris spitroast you! First sexually and then in the culinary context. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:24, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Diversion Collapse!

<pvxbig> [build prof=me/a dom=12+1+1 insp=10+1 fas=8+1][Wastrel's Collapse][Diversion][Shame][Power Leak][Power Drain][Shatter Enchantment][Optional][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig> Cover Diversion and Shame with Wastrel's Collapse. Wtfpwnz. ~ ĐONT*TALK 06:46, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh is that for glad point farming? Good times. Still in NZ but I'll try it when I get back. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 18:30, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
I actually got this vetted o.o ~ ĐONT*TALK 04:31, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

My Guild

Is made. --M3atwad.. (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

Lol, Tyra told me you have a 30+ hour plane flight, glhfmb :D

[build prof=D/Rt scy=12+1+1 win=3 mys=12+1][Mystic Sweep][Eremite's Attack][Twin Moon Sweep][Harrier's Haste][Zealous Renewal][Sight Beyond Sight][Avatar of Grenth][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig>

Nice and easy glads today with that. Spear with enchanting mod, standard melee weapon mods, etc. --M3atwad.. (talk) 23:45, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
Fog... delays... Total transit took 12 hours longer than it was supposed to. I am so fucking dead. Oh and that build looks pretty blandastic, am I missing something? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 18:01, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
Blandastic being the point, it's one of the frontliners for balanced gvg with dervs. Wanted to get my practice on. BTW, Rahl is really, REALLY mature. --M3atwad.. (talk) 18:48, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
Shouldn't Twin Moon Sweep be Pious Assault? Rahl giving you grief over leaving? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 09:23, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
Fuck deep wound, self heal is better imo. And yeah, he's being a total bitch about it. Pretty funny now though, because everyone in AB AD1 was flaming him for starting shit with me.. I lawled. --M3atwad.. (talk) 16:25, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Daily TA

Because my attempts to get my guild to GvG were so epicly full of fail, I've decided to try daily TA for a while to see if I can get some of them to a reasonable level BEFORE throwing them into GvG. I expect no one or maybe one person to show up, so if you feel like TAing with bad people(including me), drop me a line. I'll be trying to start at 19:00 GMT each day, but I'll probably be late on Tuesdays and Thursdays and if someone calls me for GvG or HA(which is bloody rare) I'll be abandoning TA. The plan at the moment is to run things vaguely close to balanced, but I'm willing to run gimmicks on occasion because gimmicks are funny. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:18, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Your new guild is better. Also, you can ask me along if you need more people and I happen to be on. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 04:31, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
I quit Picnic Pioneers already. Tab just grabbed me as a member because we were going to run heroes so he needed the minimum number of guilded members and I am Tab's bitch. I'm kind of seeing how this TA thing pans out and then deciding what to do. I feel a sense of loyalty to my current GL and the only time I see my brother these days is in guild chat because of the whole country moving thing so I'm disinclined to leave but just zomg. I did AB in a guild group last night, after the first round someone asked for pings. I was criticised for using Frenzy without a self heal while the other warrior was something like:

[build prof=warri/mo][Hundred Blades][Galrath Slash][Barbarous Slice][Savage Slash][Signet of Strength][Live Vicariously][Vigorous Spirit][Healing Breeze][/build] </pvxbig>

I forget exactly, but just gah, GAH! - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:42, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Strong. Picnic needs more brave warriors like that instead of ones that refuse to split vs hexway. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 04:43, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
The split sucked tbh. I didn't have a self heal on my bar(read above) and they split back an anti-melee so it was like, watch the archer shoot arrows, try to move in, hit with Faintheartedness. Then I had two options run in, fail to kill anything because they sent back their Rt/A too and die or pull out of range, wait for Faintheartedness to wear off and heal up rinse and repeat. Made me sad so I just came back after a while and killed some mesmers. I guess I was eating the anti-melee curses for the ranger. I would have kept doing that if Tab was the ranger being his bitch and all, but I think it was Unexist so I'd rather kill mesmers that keep getting boosted. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:47, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Tbh, that's why you split all over the base. Either they send anti melee stuff after everyone and get owned, or you get kills and we win at VoD. Or you try and hit through 15 hexes at the stand for 18mins. Both work. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 04:49, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Also, you're allowed to call unexist bad if he doesn't dshot faint. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 04:50, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
tbh we WERE running a joke build that pretty much had no defense vs. Anti-melee. And there really was like no way to split on them since that anti-melee necro could put shit on probably two warriors and a ranger. Add in the flagger who was healing everything and wtf can you do but get shot in the face by archers and pwnd by WoR? - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 04:59, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Run Purge Signet on your warriors ofc. --71.229 04:59, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Ups --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 05:01, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
oh of course! I'll remember to take off pspike and tack on Purge signet next time I'm in a GvG match with hexfags. Thanks <_< - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:05, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
But srsly, if you're looking for bad people to run stupid shit in TA with, I'm in. IGN on userpage.
@Panic: It's what I'm here for. --71.229 05:06, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Just show up at the time I said and bug me tbh. I suspect it's always your brother at that time though. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:31, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
kk. And pretty much atm, but I'm working on getting back on a decent sleep schedule. --71.229 05:35, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

can i has ta? Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 06:45, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Run 2 sin, 2 monk lame build. If your aim is to get better at GW, thats a waste of time though. Lord of all tyria 06:50, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
or just run 3 magebane rangers and 1 monk. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 06:55, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Four Magebanes packing Gift of Health and Patient Spirit. --71.229 07:18, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Four Magebanes with Aegis chains is more badderest. Also, Exploding PvE gogo comments! - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:20, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Aegis chains are for bitches. Also, check if minions leave corpses that PE can use. If so, Animate Bone Minions a-go-go. --71.229 07:22, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Minions do not leave exploitable corpses... - Miserysig1isery -TALK 08:02, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Except Fleshy. But then there goes your Magebane, which is probably much better tbh. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 08:06, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Well that went fucking well. I got someone who refused to run anything other than a Blinding Flash spiker and a terrible ranger who swore the whole time and told me that Balanced was a shit build and called me a Nazi for living in Germany. The monk was fine, only problem was that he was friends with the ranger. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 15:56, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Is this in TA? Don't pug there, flist groups. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 15:57, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
That was a guild group :| - Miserysig1isery -TALK 16:02, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Oh wow. That even beats my old DII guild drama-dying because someone used the word 'pornography'. --71.229 21:12, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Picnic pioneers is pretty bad yeah; but me and tab are still organising stuff(as in the way of; beginning rawr and ginsh becoming active) to actually do some serious geeveegee(and pump up the bad people to a decent level; especially those who enter a match without skillbar and People who frenzy through SS when you call for a chaos split. Also; that match I didn't dshot stuff at all since one: I had about 500-700 ping, which I did called a few times. 2: I am a horrible ranger. —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 10:24, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Ummm, just to make sure, you are commenting on Tab's comments about the split and you being bad right? Not my TA experience? Because seriously, Picnic Pioneers was like playing in a top 10 guild in comparison. Don't worry, I won't call you bad because I can't even remember who the ranger was and I'm just thankful no one watched me on observer. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 10:33, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
PP GvG would have been awesome had we been running a srs bsns build. And if it weren't AB bonus weekend and we didn't all have like 500+ pings. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 10:35, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
We'll see about that. Also; against hexway; you'd rather camp somewhere safe doing nothing then being at main, since you're only pain in the ass(monks have to heal your degen up too; you can't interupt/kill anything anyway, and if you're next to their base they're forced to send stuff base). —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 11:06, 20 May 2008 (EDT)


You just stood there screaming
Fearing no one was listening to you
They say the empty can rattles the most
The sound of your voice must soothe you
Hearing only what you want to hear
And knowing only what youve heard
You youre smothered in tragedy
Youre out to save the world

You insist that the weight of the world
Should be on your shoulders
Theres much more to life than what you see
My friend of misery

You still stood there screaming
No one caring about these words you tell
My friend before your voice is gone
One mans fun is anothers hell
These times are sent to try mens souls
But somethings wrong with all you see
You youll take it on all yourself
Remember, misery loves company

You insist that the weight of the world
Should be on your shoulders
Theres much more to life than what you see
My friend of misery

You just stood there 'creaming
My friend of misery
Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 10:58, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm not emo, but I do love company. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 12:03, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Metallica isn't emo. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 13:45, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Wanna test something later?

Simple Thievery Arcane Echo Arcane Mimicry Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional

I wanna see what happens if you get 3 different avatars and try to use them all at once. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 11:49, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Of course mimicry can't copy avatars. and the cancel out each other. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 11:54, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
Mimic Echo from an ally, Simple Thievery three avatars. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 11:55, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
lolol. they still cancel each other. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 11:56, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking Arcane Echo -> Thievery the Av, Arcane Echo'd Thievery another Av, Mimic Thievery, Thief a third Av. Then use the Av's. Have you actually tried it before, Godly? - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 11:57, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
I'm always for testing something stupid. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 12:03, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
No. I never test anything; but they do cancel each other. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 13:24, 19 May 2008 (EDT)
I've tested it (had AoB and capped AoM). They do cancel each other out. -- 16:02, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

Could this work?

<pvxbig> [build prof=rt/mo Spawning=11+1+2 Smiting=10 Chann=10+1][Wielder's Zeal][Wielder's Remedy][Ghostly Weapon@0][Splinter Weapon][Smite Hex][Zealot's Fire][Strength of Honor][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig> HA and GvG. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 13:44, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Pretty sure I've seen similar being used so I will say yes, that could work. But I will question why on earth you decided I was the person to ask... - Miserysig1isery -TALK 14:56, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
I only saw one person I recognized being active; and it was you. But then you wasn't - so it was a quite bad decision. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Godliest (contribs) .
I left work for the day tbh and SIGN FAIL! - Miserysig1isery -TALK 15:01, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
lol, I'm chatting too much nowadays. Godbox GodlyCompanion-cube 15:03, 20 May 2008 (EDT)


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^^You win the game :D Dejh 15:09, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Just edit sections and use plus for new ones imo. Every single section currently here is an open and relevant discussion. It wouldn't be right to archive anything just yet. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 15:26, 20 May 2008 (EDT)
I do use edit sections :P I was just pointing out that you won the game :D Dejh 15:27, 20 May 2008 (EDT)


For everyone who ever posted a 10 win screen shot to justify a build:


Stop doing it, it's dumb. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 17:50, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Go Misery! Although that build is not that noob as some others, these skills are actually good (*cough*mending*cough*). Dragnmn talk cont 02:35, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
You'll notice we had no monk, so most of the time I was just spamming Signet of Rejuvenation and Patient Spirit, but I would tab through to their monk whenever Diversion or Shame recharged. I'm guessing our survival probably had more to do with the Signet of Midnight Mesmer and we could roll monk teams due to the two copies of Diversion and Shame and the fact that monks in RA suck. Our damage seemed to come from kiting through the elementalist's AoE, he was using Savannah Heat. I laughed when we bet a two monk team. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 02:48, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

Me/Rt RA Healer

It is a shame about the binding rituals. However, Anguished Was Lingwah is affected. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 08:22, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

Next gimmick to run? I think so. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 08:24, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
Next time I'm on remind me to ping you a Me/Rt build. I think I saved it in my templates. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 08:26, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
I may be forced to fit Diversion on to the bar too. Diversion on a healer make me happy in pants. I reckon Diversion probably even works well at 0 domination. I don't think anyone mouses over Diversion mid-combat to see how much domination you are running. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 08:28, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
You only need a little bit of investment in communing and fast casting tbh. You have plenty of room for 11 or 12 Resto and a minor hybrid into Inspiration, Domination, or Illusion. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 08:39, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
Beaten to the punch! - Miserysig1isery -TALK 09:56, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
That version's terrible tbh. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 09:57, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, my point was just that someone else had this conversation inside their own head 20 days ago or so. That makes them crazy. It looks like they thought "There is N/Rt in HA, so why not Me/Rt!" and totally missed the point of everything. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 09:59, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
W/Rt, you get a 14% increase in how much you heal. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 10:00, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
It's not a direct 14% increase, it's 14% armor penetration on your heals so it only has a noticeable effect healing your frontliners although if you take healsig and use it while you heal yourself you get a nice boost. Might make a better healer next time we run 5 warriors in GvG though. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 10:06, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
MBaS is now an attack skill? Fuck you, Izzy, you nutty fucker. Fuck fuck fuck. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 10:11, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
Ok, come on. You cant blame this all on me. Its your fault for discovering that Strength affects heals too! ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   10:14, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
Nononono. You run Strength healers in a team with Kinetic Armor monks to tank and heal efficiently. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 04:46, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
Of course! Kinetic Armor will bring the total armor to much higher than a warrior. It's a pity warriors can't use Kinetic Armor efficiently due to them having to spam elementalist spells to keep it up which are usually costly and slow to cast, but monks can spam monk smiting prayers spells for armor ignoring damage. That's better than attack skills with armor penetration, especially against other Kinetic Tank teams. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:24, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
Don't worry, I have a plan.
Kinetic Armor Stone Daggers Bull&#039;s Strike Ash Blast Eviscerate Executioner&#039;s Strike Frenzy Rush

--Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 05:32, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

Sundering, Vampiric, and Ebon Axes of Enchanting with "I Have The Power!". - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:34, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
Should use Obsidian Flame, it's armor ignoring so it's almost as good as smiting. Pity about the cast time. Might need some Song of Concentration paragons to stop interrupts. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:36, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
Good idea. SoC E/P tanks. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 05:37, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

And to counter the Kinetic Armor meta, you can run Me/Mo healers with:

Word of Healing Inspired Enchantment Revealed Enchantment Inspired Hex Revealed Hex Cure Hex Spotless Mind Purge Signet

--Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 05:37, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

Oooh. Inspired enchantment. Good idea. Then you can steal Kinetic from the other people and use it yourself. Tab ownz. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:40, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
Tabway - the new metagame --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 05:56, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
Sexy. Dibs on flareway sherman. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 06:04, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
They synergy between Flareway Sherman and Steamway Sherman is incredible. You forgot to put 3 in axe on the W/Rt healers so that they have many domoges. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:57, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
Fixed. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 06:58, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
Let's farm Istan for incribable req 3 axes. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:03, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
I will later. I have class now. Good day to you Mr J. Panic. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 07:05, 22 May 2008 (EDT)
Heh. Mr. J. Cya later, Harlequin. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:08, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

EoE Bomb

<pvxbig> [build prof=N/A blo=12+3 death=12+1+3 dead=3][Cultist's Fervor][Death's Charge][Dark Prison][Shadow Fang][Signet of Agony][Death Nova][Dark Aura][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig> Someone make an EoE bomb build using this. It's a 500+ damage AoE spike with deep wound that kills yourself. Epic in RA. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 16:22, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

DW only after 10 sec makes me sad :( Anyway, gogo Awaken the Blood. ~ ĐONT*TALK 17:40, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

Running this now, can't find a good way to stay alive long enough to spam Burning Speed though, lawl. <pvxbig> [build prof=N/E blo=12+3 death=12+1+3 fir=3][Burning Speed][Unholy Feast][Blood Renewal][Aura of Restoration][Death Nova][Cultist's Fervor][Dark Aura][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig> - Miserysig1isery -TALK 17:50, 22 May 2008 (EDT)


Late night. Tonight. Devise an insane-but-just-might-work team. gogogo! - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:02, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Two of the burning speed saccers and two monks. One monk keeps the saccers alive, one monk keeps the monks alive. Win. Unfortunately those builds actually do more DPS to themselves than anyone else unless you hit multiple targets OH WELL. I also wondered about spiking in pairs using 5 shadow steps. You could put in another 2 shadow steps if you used Return/Death's Retreat and switched to targeting each other after the other shadow steps. I should probably try to think of another idea :| I've been wondering if it would work better with Zealot's Fire and self-targeted heals but the attribute spread would be nasty. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:07, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
ZF is pretty dissapointing tbh. If we tune their health down low enough and throw Vigorous Spirit on them they should survive tbh. Burning speed is a problem, though, with the burning. I assume it's the only quartercast no-recharge spell in Ele and Nec lines? - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:13, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
I bet Taste of Death and Putrid Flesh just fail if there's no minions about. Meh. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:18, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, they fail. You can only HP tune so much. I found dropping my health to be bad, but I was in RA with no Protective Spirit. Tested that last night. I'm pretty skeptical about the Vigorous thing, remember it's 17% sac WITH 21 flat damage from Dark Aura. I suppose it plus Aura of Restoration helps. Might work better as a elementalist primary with more energy storage, have to balance the extra sac from Cultist's vs the extra healing. I haven't looked in other classes for 1/4 cast no recharge spells. Maybe I'll do that now. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:00, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Only other two viable skills in the game are Mirage Cloak which is too expensive and Infuse Health. Infuse Health might actually work with two of them casting it on each other. If you tweaked the stats you might be able to get it to the point where they netted health each cast. I also wanted to know how Dark Aura stacked, whether it purely overwrote the old copy, if it would trigger twice or if it would act weird like Protective Bond and trigger once but the health lost is split over both casters. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:06, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Maybe we should just run like 4 Mo/Ws with like BB, Stonesoul, the stonesoul dupe, and a bunch of gay healing and defense. Bad gimmick is bad. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 06:08, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
"Devise an insane-but-just-might-work team." You totally asked for this stupid theory crafting. Four copies of Backbreaker seems a bit excessive, kind of sounds like you just want to run gothspike. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:12, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
lol. I was talking about my gimmick being bad. I know it seems excessive, but it'll be funny. Also it means you can spike again pretty quick without having to build up 10 adren. And it's tougher to stop the spike; savage, dshot, or humility on one of them for instance.
Ok, we have two gimmicks to try and get to work now. Win. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:21, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
You guys are bad at gimmicks. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 06:25, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Give us a gimmick then Tab! Or make our existing gimmicks awesome. I would settle for either. Oh and defense in general is hurt again so 5 warriors should be even better than before. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:28, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
IW telespike. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 06:28, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Hrm. How many domoges does that have? And why don't more people run Diversion on their IW builds? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:33, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

<pvxbig>[build prof=n/me][Animate Flesh Golem][Death Nova][Putrid Flesh][Deathly Swarm][Signet of Sorrow][Putrid Bile][Rising Bile][Mantra of Resolve][/build]</pvxbig> <pvxbig>[build prof=n/me][Animate Flesh Golem][Deathly Swarm][Signet of Sorrow][Faintheartedness][Insidious Parasite][Parasitic Bond][Mantra of Resolve][Blood Ritual][/build]</pvxbig> <pvxbig>[build prof=n/rt][Weapon of Remedy][Signet of Sorrow][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Weapon of Shadow][Life][Bloodsong][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]</pvxbig> <pvxbig>[build prof=n/rt][Preservation][Signet of Sorrow][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Weapon of Warding][Protective was Kaolai][Life][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]</pvxbig>

Discuss. Also, WTB hex removal. -- 06:35, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Need Mantra of Resolve, everyone carries two interrupts. Also, how do you get the first corpse, let one of the ritualists die? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:38, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Saccing with BR, but now that I look at it the guy that's carrying BR needs to Golem. #2 saccs, #1 Golems, #2 is rezzed, #1 kills golem, #2 golems and saccs again for #1's golem? And fixed. -- 06:40, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
You need ~24 seconds to kill yourself with BR. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 06:42, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Fuck, thought it was 33% sac, which now that I think about it would probably be too much time anyway. Ideas? -- 06:44, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Needs more Flesh Golem too. Put it on both the rits. Signet of Agony might help with saccing, that 25 second bleed speeds things up. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:45, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Awaken the Blood also speeds up sac. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:46, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Flesh Golem was only there for lolpressure and SoS spam, but I'm in way over my head since I was planning to go to bed four hours ago and I haven't played GW in about a month and a half, so I dunno if that would work. -- 06:53, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
lolyank --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 06:54, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
no u :< --71.229 06:58, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Euros got nerfed. I predict Koreans will be buffed. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:07, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Weaken Knees Defile Defenses Price of Failure Faintheartedness Optional Power Drain Leech Signet Resurrection Signet

Burning Arrow Distracting Shot Savage Shot Apply Poison Mending Touch Natural Stride Troll Unguent Resurrection Signet

Eviscerate Executioner&#039;s Strike Disrupting Chop Bull&#039;s Strike Rending Touch Frenzy Rush Resurrection Signet

+ Monk. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:10, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Rip is better than Rending Touch. You know what I just realised, Weaken Knees + Hidden Caltrops = SYNERGY! Actually, is Weaken Knees a viable replacement for Coward on a Paragon? Could have like a Weaken Knees Rendagon. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:16, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
And that looks remarkably balanced for a gimmick... - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:17, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
What happens if you hit a moving person with WK on them with Awe? --71.229 07:19, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
That's because it's not a gimmick. It's a worse version of balanced :< --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 07:21, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
(EC)It's only mildly gimmicky now. However, the more I look at the warrior the more I think it needs to change a bit more dramatically. What if we ran an SA sin instead of the War?- PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:22, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Awe isn't an attack so I'm pretty sure it wouldn't trigger WK. Man, that's really weird, if you read the normal description for Awe it says "If this skill hits", how can a skill not hit? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:25, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
If you want to be euro and drop Bstrike, take Protector's Strike. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 07:26, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
^ Kind of what I was going to say. Don't really need Bull's with WK. I wasn't going to say Protector's Strike though. I was going to say... Oh and all it is atm is balanced with a weird necro. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:28, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Aaw @ Awe not being an attack skill. And if you want to be Korean, take a Hammer and Power Attack. --71.229 07:31, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
So let's run an SA sin then instead of the axe. Unblockable annoyance with KDs when you run away from it. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 07:35, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Meh, BA. Magebane isn't good enough all of a sudden? :< ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 08:18, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Pianc is just a dirty euro. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 08:18, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
ew gros ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 08:19, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
Meh. I figured BA is more pressure if your Necro's packing interrupts, too. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 08:24, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Crippling Slash Gash Sun and Moon Slash Bull&#039;s Strike Rending Touch Frenzy Rush Resurrection Signet

Magehunter&#039;s Smash Crushing Blow Hammer Bash Protector&#039;s Strike Flail Rush Enraging Charge Resurrection Signet

Eviscerate Body Blow Disrupting Chop Bull&#039;s Strike Frenzy Rush Rending Touch Resurrection Signet

Word of Healing Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional

Winwinwin ɟoʇuɐʌʎʞɔıɹPanic srsbsns 08:24, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Needs more Purge Signet/Holy Veil. --71.229 17:43, 23 May 2008 (EDT)


wtf seriously Antiarchangel Antiarchangel No U Sig TROLL 19:57, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, my bad. I do that unintentionally all the time. Something to do with the timing of comments and the fact I use diff instead of just going to the page I think, not entirely sure though. Apologies. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:05, 25 May 2008 (EDT)
ups --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 04:17, 26 May 2008 (EDT)
It's all good, I made HHHippo make messages red so I'll stop doing it. Yay! - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:20, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

People in RA cannot cancel cast rezz signets

^^ True story. And holy fuck a duck it sucks when someone brings all three meta interrupts(Magebane, Savage and Dshot), tell me, who the fuck would have seen that coming. I cancel dodged the Dshot, saw the Magebane and thought I was home free until that bloody Savage Shot hit. Oh and it was epic when I got to three wins in a four physical team(against monked teams), then had one rage and we got a monk. Even got to 13 wins for him before we lost. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:51, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

savage hit your res sig, who cares? recast gg Antiarchangel Antiarchangel No U Sig TROLL 04:54, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
Magebane recharges after that amount of time. Ress signet is a 3 second cast. That's why just Magebane + Dshot is often enough to prevent a rezz. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:56, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
Wait a minute, wtf, that doesn't make sense. I think me dying was the 4th interrupt. I was trying to rezz our monk and of course no one else even tried to. We were up to like 4 too. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:06, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
Raged GW for Age of Conan. I'm on the North American server "Scourge", you should play. ..Then again, you're Euro, so you can't. Yeah. Also, too lazy to make my own little bar title shit, and AoC is totally related to People in RA cannot cancel cast rezz signets. --M3atwad.. (talk) 08:44, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
I once Diversioned a rezsig. --71.229 08:45, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
I cbf spending money tbh. Guild Wars ownzzzz because I already paid for it. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 08:52, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
I cbf playing a game w/o jump :O --M3atwad.. (talk) 16:14, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
I always got pissed with the broken shit people do with jump in FPSers tbh. Crouch jumping to lower your profile my ass. Speed jumping RUINED Quake Team Fortress. Can you autoreroll in AoC? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 16:23, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
Nope, you have to level your chars when you make new ones. It's not hard, my guild leader was lvl 80 (cap) within 3 days, and I just got to 80 yesterday. --M3atwad.. (talk) 15:35, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Flesh Golem Dervish

Ownzzzz RA. <pvxbig> [build prof=dervish/necro scythemastery=11+1+2 windprayers=8+1 deathmagic=11][chilling victory][pious assault][eremite's attack][harrier's haste][attacker's insight][natural healing][animate flesh golem][resurrection signet][/build] </pvxbig> You get your first kill, then suddenly, ZOMG PRESSURE! Discuss. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:08, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

I think we need two of these for some lolRA faggotry tonight. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:54, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
But then we'd need two corpses :< - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:55, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Should be easy with 4 opponents and 3 allies. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 06:00, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
11/11/9 is impossible. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 06:00, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Like I remember what random ass stats I put on this build. Fixed. Would Whirling Charge be better for IMS and IAS? I know the IAS and IMS would end mid-spike, but it's hardly a spike right now. It is RA though. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 06:02, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

I bet Tab in RA! Fail

And I was a monk too! A Blessed Light monk even! But I had another monk on my team and I am pretty sure he let me win =/ - Miserysig1isery -TALK 15:37, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Lol. Nice Job. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   15:43, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Did you win the bet? Dejh 15:44, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Did you? --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 15:45, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Erm. Apparently not. I SWEAR THE NAME WAS PRESS TAB NOW! - Miserysig1isery -TALK 15:47, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Ups. You should have known that I'd rank your corpse if I went against you in RA tbh. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 16:07, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
I thought you let me win so that I could get mah glad title :< Our conversation at around that moment needs to be rexamined. Probably made no sense. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 16:19, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
I was too busy PvEing to notice tbh. I just pressed backspace ups enter every time I saw a pm. Although I probably would have let you win if it was me . --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 16:20, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
And you should try pming slight variants of your name to see who stole it!!!!! They are bad. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 16:44, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
You could have just changed the section head to "I bet Tab in RA and lost" :) Also, archive your page :\ Having 20 build templates makes it load slowly. Dejh 16:49, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Agreed on archive. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   16:51, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Can't archive until Tab makes me a new epic signature. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 16:53, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
I'm thinking I'll base it on the carebears. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 16:57, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Yay! - Miserysig1isery -TALK 17:00, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

It is ready!

[2] --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 17:47, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Tab wins. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 17:52, 28 May 2008 (EDT)
Lolwut. +1 for Mortal Kombat music. ~ ĐONT*TALK 17:57, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Korean RA

Is the land of hope and dreams. A sanctuary of the bizarre and wonderful where other players don't even blink when two dervishes clothed in red start summoning Flesh Golems. Is it through the looking glass or down the rabbit hole? You decide. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 04:38, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

We rolled chumps tbh. Even with terribad monks. I kept getting that monk all night. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 04:40, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
We did indeed. I might just be up for some more lolra tonight if you are. Also, the one match where I actually died it was an assacaster who then bronze-speared my corpse. I was so impressed. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:04, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
I am always up for lolRA, it's like what I do. As long as no one calls me for anything serious. I got my last glad I needed last night using a Blessed Light monk that Tab gave me. We got so rolled first TA match. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:06, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
Getting glads with really awful stuff is what it's all about tbh. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 05:11, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

<pvxbig>[build prof=mo/r divine=12+1+1 healing=10+1 wild=8][Blessed Light][Heaven's Delight][Patient Spirit][Mending Touch][Spotless Soul][Holy Veil][Distracting Shot][Natural Stride][/build]</pvxbig> ? --71.229 05:25, 29 May 2008 (EDT) <pvxbig>[build prof=mo/a divine=12+1 prot=12+1 shadowarts=3][Blessed Light][reversal of fortune][guardian][dismiss condition][spirit bond][signet of devotion][dark escape][return][/build]</pvxbig> 10 wins first try. /flex. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:28, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Pff, even I can Blight, all you do is spam sig of devotion and return to the party member furthest away from you. :D Thomas. 08:32, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
Incorrect. You use Guardian and RoF intelligently so you barely ever have to heal. I only use Signet of Devotion against a team with a Dark Apostasy Spear because it removes RoF before it heals and rapes Guardian. Didn't have to use it in any other match. One guy died once when he overextended. Rest were flawless. The healing signets are baed, I never take them on a normal bar. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 08:37, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
Hmm, I'm only familiar with old school blighting anyway.. spam prenerf sig of devotion, spam more, return spame more if anyone starts complaining Blight them. worked wonderfully well. Thomas. 08:42, 29 May 2008 (EDT)


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Discuss. And hit edit to see the lolsome dirty hacks I used to make it. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 05:54, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

How long did you spend making that. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 06:32, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

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Less dirty. Hurray. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 06:03, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
2 minutes? I designed the chicken in 1st year computer science at uni when we had to do an ascii art displayer and my friend wanted something lazy and stupid to do. He put three of those chickens. I had an epic reply, but the chemicals arrived. Maybe tonight :< - Miserysig1isery -TALK 07:06, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
Ups. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 07:12, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
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The only person who knows the recipe for what we want to do is on holiday until Monday. Epic win. Still have some other stuff to do though. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 08:30, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
NO BREAK SPACE. Also, metal & rust recipes. - PANIC! Panic sig4 sexiness! 08:47, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
ups --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 08:48, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Brave GvG Mesmer?

<pvxbig> [build prof=mesmer/ritualist dominationmagic=11+1+1 inspirationmagic=10+1 fastcasting=10+1][echo][arcane echo][arcane thievery][arcane larceny][diversion][shame][power drain][flesh of my flesh][/build] </pvxbig> Target their mesmer, steal all his skills shutting him down, use his spells to shut down everyone else. If they are lame and have no mesmer, steal all their monk's skills. Ja? - Miserysig1isery -TALK 09:33, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Wow. That might work. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   09:39, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
I hope that wasn't serious. --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 09:39, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
That wasn't. ~~     Frvwfr2     talk    contribs    admin   09:41, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
Against the Rawrspike mesmer you might steal 4 copies of Mirror of Disenchantment, then you could suck and never interrupt Aegis again! Or you could get 4 copies of Strength of Honor and /resign. - Miserysig1isery -TALK 09:50, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
Pity using 60e every 30 seconds means you can't use the skills you get:< --Ibreaktoilets SignatureTab Moo 10:05, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
Echo PDrain :P ~ ĐONT*TALK 10:08, 29 May 2008 (EDT)
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