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== Comment Removal ==
Why do some admin remove comments as seen [ here]. Those users simply gave their opinion and I do not think that is a reason for comment removal. The Admin. favors this build and in my sight trying to keep the build alive by removing poor ratings because he doesnt agree with them.

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Empty Talk Page I say "No!" Welcome to PvX man! (In truth, I felt guilty for you saying hi to me ;p) Readem (talk*contribs) 07:48, 3 May 2007 (CEST)

Thank you. - Kowal Krowman (talkcontribs) 07:53, 3 May 2007 (CEST)

Hey Krowman. DE Sig Test 2 *Defiant Elements* +talk 04:21, 4 May 2007 (CEST)

Howdy. - Kowal Krowman (talkcontribs) 04:45, 4 May 2007 (CEST)
So, what do you think of PvXwiki? DE Sig Test 2 *Defiant Elements* +talk 04:55, 4 May 2007 (CEST)
Not sure what to make of it yet. We'll have to wait and see how things go once we get some policy nailed down, red links filled out, etc. It's got potential, though, and I can see myself putting a lot of work in to it. - Kowal Krowman (talkcontribs) 05:23, 4 May 2007 (CEST)

User Page

umm i want to make a user page but i want it to look cool, with things like i mainly play this and my territory, i want those tags there so cool. The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) .

I think this may be what you are looking for. Just enter the name of the page into {{ }} and it will show up. Dont add the template: part tho.--Sefre SefresigTalk*Cont. 05:10, 4 May 2007 (CEST)
Yes i do mean the 3 boxes, do i just have to tell you some things and then you can add it to my page? i plan on being a big contributer to vetting and testing and even making variations. my thouhts on this is that, well, because this is a builds wiki, we should allow variations of builds, for example i have a Me/N Spitefull spirt necro, who uses fast casting to pump out skills, but this could be considered a bad build due to lack of the runes. for me it did sorry i kind of rambled there so ya, if you can help me make a cool page thats awesome.Jasonstarr 21:36, 4 May 2007 (CEST)
The three boxes Krowman has come from that List I posted. To add them all you need to to is click your name in the top right corner and select edit this page. The just add one of those names in the list(without the template: part) inside {{ and }}. If you look at my page you can see how I did it and what shows up. Just look through that list, some even will show you how to add them when you open the page. Also to make discussions easier to read please indent using colons( : )(add one for each reply). If you look at this sections code you can see what I mean. And sorry for hijacking your talk page Krowman, I'm just bored.--Sefre SefresigTalk*Cont. 23:57, 4 May 2007 (CEST)
/shrug. Saves me the trouble of doing it myself. I appreciate it. - Kowal Krowman (talkcontribs) 07:46, 5 May 2007 (CEST)

Krowman how do u get ur chars on ur user page?? Faramir

There are a number of ways to create a user page. If you want, you can just copy-paste my user page and fill in your own information where mine is. If this isn't for you, you can look at other user pages, such as User:Defiant Elements, User:Lania Elderfire, User:Readem, or User:Gcardinal for a variety of ways to set up a user page. - Kowal Krowman (talkcontribs) 20:14, 17 May 2007 (CEST)


Hey saw that your name filled RC =). You might have forgotten something though... Krowman, DON'T FORGET TO REVOTE! (Sorry, just had to make sure you wouldn't forget ;) Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 04:20, 14 May 2007 (CEST)


As a result of email conversations between myself, Armond, and Auron, I have promoted you to sysop. Congratulations. DE Sig Test 2 *Defiant Elements* +talk 23:05, 18 May 2007 (CEST)

Gnarly. Time to start kicking butt. Go team! - Kowal Krowman (talkcontribs) 08:58, 19 May 2007 (CEST)

It was all cheese I say!

Cheese made me do I swearz! Deleting the Main Page was all his idea. And yet, you gave me a 37 second ban! Why Krowman, why :P. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 09:19, 19 May 2007 (CEST)


Going to create IW guide. Interested in partaking? Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 03:14, 24 May 2007 (CEST)

Do you mean it to be in your user space? I think that, at the moment, we don't have a separate section on the wiki for guides. That's actually an idea I should bring up somewhere. But sure, I'll do what I can. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 06:12, 24 May 2007 (CEST)
Yeah, in my user space til fin. Don't like uncomplete pages. Sorry for typo, in RA at this very moment :p. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 06:43, 24 May 2007 (CEST)
Starting late tonight. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 22:27, 26 May 2007 (CEST)

Yes, we are!

Hey, thanks; I hope my guildies aren't making us look bad! :) Eilsys 08:28, 24 May 2007 (CEST)

Naw, you're an all-right bunch. There once was a guild that dedicated itself to the vandalism of Gwiki a long time ago, though. Hope we don't have that kind of problem here. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 08:38, 24 May 2007 (CEST)
[ugly] is still around, although they probably won't be interested in vandalizing a builds site. -Auron 10:19, 24 May 2007 (CEST)

Something I said

I would like you or one of the other administrators to look at one of the posts I put on the main page talk as Edit Copy--Banditda 18:51, 28 May 2007 (CEST)


Wrote up this policy, could use some help ;).

Thanks! Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 07:50, 31 May 2007 (CEST)


Sorry to bother you, but I just realized how different pages look on Fire Fox XD. Your User page looks entirely different on IE, as does mine. Mine looks horrible in FF XD Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 08:09, 31 May 2007 (CEST)


So why am I not watching your talk page? Well, this edit fixes that. -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{sysop}} 03:02, 1 June 2007 (CEST)

Help requested

Any help, regarding these three projects would be greatly appreciated.

  • PvX:NoBias: A policy that states newly written Builds should be unbiased, and create Builds that are not limited by the Author in any way.
  • IW Guide: A Guide describing the basic ideas and concepts of an IW Mesmer.
  • Mass Builds Clean-up: (IMPORTANT) A check list of sorts, for reviewing the legitimacy of Tested Builds.

Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 09:37, 2 June 2007 (CEST)

Darn ZB Over-lap

Haha, oh well. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 09:11, 3 June 2007 (CEST)

Can't We All Get Along

I wrote something, and I hope you will read. CWAGA is a project started by me, and maintained by me today. Please share. Bluemilkman 19:16, 6 June 2007 (CEST)

It looks good. Might be nice to have as a template similiar to "Don't Feed the Trolls." Mind if I play around and create one in my sandbox? - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 00:42, 7 June 2007 (CEST)
Go ahead. Tell me how it goes. Bluemilkman 02:57, 7 June 2007 (CEST)

"Good Sir" pwns U

Yeah it does, don't deny :p. Now, I am not saying I like Bush, merely that bringing politics into this, is probably not the greatest of ideas. I can already see the NPA's flying, and heads rolling. Comparing people to Bush is well...offensive lol. At least in my views. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 08:40, 8 June 2007 (CEST)

My apologies. I tried to keep my political rant (2 lines?) short. Yeah, politics can get nasty, especially since we are not all from the same country. I don't think I made that comparison; on the flip side, I don't mind Bluemilkman's comparison either. I did bring Hitler into that conversation somehow though.... - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 08:47, 8 June 2007 (CEST)
Lol. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 08:55, 8 June 2007 (CEST)
Hitler ftw? lulz -Auron 08:56, 8 June 2007 (CEST)
Yeah, well... - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 08:59, 8 June 2007 (CEST)

Actually, I like the "my good sir" comment. Yea guys, sorry about that comment. Heck, it goes against what I wrote in CWAGA. Bringing Bush into it was also stupid, I don't like comparing Bush to anyone. Actually, I like Bush, I just don't agree with some of the things he does. Anyhow, I wanted to say sorry to you guys. Thanks for being nice when I wasn't, my good sir. And no, that wasn't being sarcastic. Bluemilkman 17:54, 8 June 2007 (CEST)

Thanks for being so mature about the whole situation. It facilitates the discussion, and makes it much easier to find a working solution. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 23:55, 11 June 2007 (EDT)


yeah.... you see some pretty crazy things =P, ever get a dual weapon warrior? Eviscerate + Final Thrust pwnage! - Skakid9090 13:31, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

I use that all the time... Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 16:21, 11 June 2007 (EDT)


Is with all the Vandalism lol... Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 23:48, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

It could be all one gal/guy. My one friend had an IP changer, so the person could wait till they get warned, then change their IP again. ‽-(єronħ) no u 23:51, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
Could be that lots of schools are closing for summer break, and all the students have nothing better to do. I'm just throwing out guesses, you could ask them when their bans are up. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 23:52, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
But kicking while their down is what I do best! :) Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 00:00, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
Not me. I seem to have a lot of mansuetude. *plug plug* DE's Word of the Day *plug plug* - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 00:03, 12 June 2007 (EDT)
First of all, Word of the Day FTW. Second of all, as to being harsh and/or kicking people when they're down, that really isn't how I saw my comment at all. Honestly, if I see 3 Admins all make a statement (assuming they don't go over the top and make multiple statements or such), I tend to view that as the Admins presenting a united front saying that we won't tolerate that kind of behavior. It adds a bit of weight behind the statement to see that 3 Admins are watching what you do. DE Sig Test 2 *Defiant Elements* +talk 00:10, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

Improvement Project

I left a message on the talk page. I also recently created an overarching page for the creation of projects. User:Defiant Elements/Projects. Review it at your leisure. I will be away for 5 days starting tomorrow, so I will not be able to respond to comments, but it might be nice to create a project hierarchy so to speak so that yours is a specific project within the scope of my Project page. Since I will be away, and since you brought up the issue, feel free to edit my page, put it in the main namespace, etc. DE Sig Test 2 *Defiant Elements* +talk 15:44, 16 June 2007 (EDT)

Touch Ranger in PvE

search for stygian hunger on gwiki =) - Skakid9090 16:32, 16 June 2007 (EDT)

Oh noes! The sygies have invaded SF? What will we do? :-) - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 17:56, 16 June 2007 (EDT)
I swear, I saw one yesterday. - Skakid9090 06:01, 18 June 2007 (EDT)


Please check it out Help needed. Thx :) The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gcardinal (talk • contribs) .

thumb side

Thumb side is now created

Yellow Thumbs Sideways

Which levels should it be at? (and how would i add it?)The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eronth (talk • contribs) ..

Just one sec, I need to head out for a few minutes. I'll be right back to help. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 14:11, 18 June 2007 (EDT)
Is this for Works-Good or Works-Other? - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 14:44, 18 June 2007 (EDT)
Is works other something like, its a running build, so it works in its category, or its not good but its not bad? If the 2nd is true, then its for that. ‽-(єяøηħ) no u 14:45, 18 June 2007 (EDT)
Works-Other is for builds that score lower than Works-Good, but higher than Archive-Trash. These templates will apply to all categories of builds (runing, GvG, etc). - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (EDT)
its for other then. ‽-(єяøηħ) no u 14:56, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

i see you

sunspear sanctuary ^^ - Skakid9090 06:48, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, I've been PvEing a lot recently, bringing my chars up to PvP standards. At least, they will be once I get a better hardware setup. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 10:34, 24 June 2007 (EDT)


I have spent close to 2 hours trying to find the Progression Tables on G Wiki...and I have finally found them! Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 15:40, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

I feel bad for GWiki, I heard more people are flocking to the offical one atm. What are you using the tables for, your IW guide or...? - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 15:43, 24 June 2007 (EDT)
Yes. I originally just used the IW Template...but then learned that I cannot link it via the extension...and to make matters worse the skill bx template is interconnected with 5 others... and it's just really frustrating. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 15:49, 24 June 2007 (EDT)

User Self Rate

This is simple, do we allow user's to rate their own builds now that they can rate different levels or do we still not trust them enough? ‽-(єяøηħ) no u 05:45, 30 June 2007 (CEST)

Leave it to others. Though their vote will mean less now that it takes 5 people, and not 3, to vet a build, we can still assume that by submitting a build, the author is in favor of it. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 07:53, 30 June 2007 (CEST)
I disagree... for now. Some authors are capable of looking at even their own builds with criticism, and not voting it straight 5's - look at my recent build. If an outstanding amount of users lack the ability to rate their own builds fairly, then yeh, I think we'll have to disallow author votes. -Auron 07:56, 30 June 2007 (CEST)


Hi! I removed the trash build template from A/Mo Critical Smiter, as I rated it and now there in an average overall rating of 77%. I admit I am not very experienced here (I am a Wikipedia admin, so I know about how things work over there) so maybe I do not fully understand the system. If you could clarify why you reverted it, I would be grateful. Thanks! Greeves (talk contribs Wikipedia) 20:08, 1 July 2007 (CEST)

Builds must have at least 5 votes before a tag is placed. If four more people rated it, then you could add a tag. -Auron 03:33, 2 July 2007 (CEST)
Thanks for the explanation Auron. Thanks for the co-operation Greeves. :-) - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 07:53, 2 July 2007 (CEST)


Provoke? I did nothing to provoke him. He's the one that told me to stfu. I have as much say here as you or he does. Just because I'm not an admin doesn't make my opinion any less counted. I probably shouldn't have called him an "elitist". But that give him no right to talk to me like he's God. I will have a talk with gcardinal about this. But you will be hearing little to nothing from me for a while. You can thank readem for that. Bluemilkman 07:09, 3 July 2007 (CEST)

Well, I commend you for being mature and cool-headed enough to see what you have done. It is the elitist comment that turned that conversation quite a bit more hostile. I hope you don't truly feel that I have tried to censor your opinion; as you can see further up on my own talk page, I value your contributions. I think that you both took actions that only made things worse, and I've outlined this to both of you. If you believe that a wiki-break would do you good, I encourage you to take it (it's summertime where I live, so maybe some beach-time is in order?). Anyways, regardless of whether you stay or go, your efforts will continue to be appreciated at the wiki. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 07:21, 3 July 2007 (CEST)

hi hi

man krow will u have my babies!!! — Skuld 22:45, 3 July 2007 (CEST)

I lay eggs. I don't think that would work, but not for lack of trying. :-) - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 23:00, 3 July 2007 (CEST)
I dont think it was a question, he used exclamation points. - Skakid9090 07:15, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

Just for safety Sake

User:Krowman/Build:W/A Disrupting Axe That way there is no possibility The bot will nuke it. Shireensysop 23:51, 3 July 2007 (CEST)

Thanks for that. I didn't know we were going to bot the deletion, but I probably should have figured that out. There's at least one other Savannah Heat HA build I can think of that we shouldn't delete, I'll try to find it. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 00:07, 4 July 2007 (CEST)

MoR Dom Mes

Just curious, how long is the chain of redirects on that? =P — Rapta Rapta Icon1 (talk|contribs) 11:39, 4 July 2007 (CEST)

Only 2. Some of the other broken redirects are bothering me though. If they redirect to an article in the userspace of a user who isn't registered on this wiki, they appear in the special list but there's nothing to delete. Rawr... - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 11:40, 4 July 2007 (CEST)


I have reasons for wanting it to be pushed through the vetting process. I want people to vote on it using our current sytem. After it is failed, Im going to archive it, with the votes. And it will give us unarguable reason (and a specific exception to the delete policy just for these cases) build that we can use to cite PvXWell, as of right now the others are sheduled for deletion. I want firm standing ground for on site deletion of future wammo builds, and the only way were 'legally' gonna get that is by letting 1 version of the build be vetted upon. Shireensysop 07:50, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

So, I am not being nice. Im giving every admin un-refutable proof, from the community, to be jerks on this and just straight up nuke these builds. Lay a little ground work to cover our buts. Please... Shireensysop 07:52, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

Why would we archive this? It was never a viable build after the beta and HH was made an elite. That would put the other archived builds to shame. We don't need "unarguable reasons" to cite PvX:WELL; we can just link to "PvX:WELL," which gives all the explanation anyone will ever need. Heck, keeping it would be against WELL. Retaining examples of builds that we delete is pretty redundant imo. There realy is no 'legality' here; not only do admins have autonomous powers, but we would be acting in accordance to existing site policy. Like I said, I think you're being too nice. We need to take a firm stance against HH/Mending Wammos if nothing else. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 07:55, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

Im not saying archive, but just have the build with a notice tag on it (not a sorting tag). And it's there for the soul purpose of pointing to it, and being able to say, there is the build, so we don't need your versoin. Nuke. That way people dont (1) get so upset over their build being quickly deleted. (2) It actually lets those users see that the build failed during a vote (to stop the argument, perhaps it would pass if you let people vote on it), (3) Stop the argument that it was never allowed part in the current vetting process. Im not being stupid, unreasonable or too nice. Im laying ground work and setting an example of how to deal with those gosh darn builds that we hate to see 4 bazillion coppies of. There are enough people in the discussion page alone to unfavor it completely and totally in under 5 minutes. Rally them together and vote it. I remove the standard sorting tag for a "Notice Tag: This build would normally be deleted, but users insist on submitting this UNFAVORED BUILD. All other versions, copy cats and variants will be deleted upon site and given this build as citation for PvX:Well." That way if people want to see it, they can. People who try to submit it, have something they can see. Less people bitching about the site, and more moving on with their lives. And admins have gained a tool by utilizing this system to the hilt. Shireensysop 08:04, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

After it is failed, Im going to archive it, with the votes." Yes, you are saying you will archive it. Fact is, we don't need references for deletion. Do you see us having examples of images we delete, or redirects, or abandoned articles anywhere on the wiki? We don't keep examples of things we've deleted. Like I said on the build talk page though, let's try to keep this discussion in one place. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 08:10, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

No but people arnt trying to constantly upload the same image over and over again, either. And most of the people who submit this kind of build are brand new and are inexperienced players themselves. They get buthurt when, what they think is them filling a gap in our build coverage, we all jump on the 'wamo' train and nuke the build out of existance, without ever documenting it so the next future guy who comes along can do the same thing themselves. We do this, were going to come across a lot more friendly when this mistake is made "I'm sorry, we don't need this build - See, it's allready been done." as opposed to "NOT ANOTHER ONE OF THESE! BEGONE!". Thats the perspective I am fighting for, customer service to assist in maintaining the new people who contribute. Shireensysop 08:22, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

Except they're not our customers. If they want to post builds here, they have to play by our rules. If they leave, big deal, we have one less user posting his HH/Mending Wammo on the wiki. That saves us work too, not having to delete it if he isn't posting it. We don't have to cater to them, we get nothing out of it. The privilege is theirs' to be able to post here, not ours to be able to delete their builds. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 08:29, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

Were site admins, of course they are our customers. *mind is boggled* Were here to support the site and what it can do... We don't choose our users, the user choose us. Which means adressing common issues in efficent ways and trying to make this site user friendly to everybody. We have to try to understand, appreciate and adapt to the behavior of our common users while attempting to influence behaviors towards desired results will create a stronger system. Im adressing the first half, adapting to common behaviors that are not isolated incidents. Shireensysop 08:34, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

They're not customers; are they paying us anything? Are they providing any sort of service for us? No, not at all. On the flip side, we are the ones who run this place and make it available to them. If you wanted an accurate real-life analogy, this place is more like a public library. When you go to the library, you have to play by the library's rules: bring the books back when they want you to, keep quiet etc. As you can see, the privilege is theirs; and if they want to post here, they have to abide by our rules. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 08:42, 7 July 2007 (CEST)
  • faceplants* A library is a public service paid for by the city. As customers of the library we have several rights, expectations and demands we can make. If the library doesnt play by our rules, during the next city council meeting we get voted out. Im just trying to make this site as strong as possible by addressing customer service and trying to give realistic attention and concessions to the entire userbase. Why does it feel like whenever I make an attempt to take the true, average person who visits this site into account, I am met with stark resistance? Shireensysop 08:55, 7 July 2007 (CEST)
Libraries must be run differently where I come from. Public libraries don't have customers; people borrow books from them. GCardinal pays for this wiki for the users, just like a library. Libraries don't get ousted in city council meetings where I live, and the users here can't oust GCardinal, the admins, or any other user. To make the site as strong as possible means getting rid of all the bad builds, not most of them. People will come here looking for the bset builds they can get, so we have to tell them what is good and what is bad; they will not already know this, otherwise they wouldn't be coming to us for help. Using this logic, it is up to us to administrate the site in such a way that will provide the best resource for the userbase that we can. We're not going to get there by being nice to every one; we're going to get there by being honest, critical, and by getting rid of all these ridiculous and non-functional builds, "customer" service be damned. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 09:02, 7 July 2007 (CEST)
Wow, I think my concept of syop job description has a few more clauses and additional paragraphs than most. The user base is what defines the wiki, and we should try to embrace, rather than alienate. We can have both, friendly admins and service and the best refrence site on the net for guild wars builds. Keystone to this site is a userbase that makes quality contributions. Right now, the base of people that are making quality contributions is relatively small compared to the people who come and view our site. There are more poor contributors than good contributors. We have two possible solutions:
  • 1 - We discourage any poor contributtors (people) to this site by not making allownces for them and giving the majority of our time to the minority of builds (the few that are really good by the few contributors that 'get it'). This seems to be the attitude and concept of the majority of the admin staff (see your comment above).
  • 2 - The other solution is to try and increase our usefull contributor base, take what we have and develop it, encouraging the poor userbase to make contributions while continuing to teach them. To encourage we have to make concessions and allowances to let them explore and view concepts that are inferior, but ultimately those concepts must fail in order to maintain quality vetted builds on this site. With the expansion of a learning user base this site will grow exponentially faster than if we stayed with method 1, but we will experience some very, clumsy growing pains when we get started.
Can you see my point? Im trying to utilize this build as a learning tool and a method to ease the need for arguing and alienating the new people who show up and go "Wammo build is missing, let me add it." Shireensysop 09:16, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

I've gotten into the middle of a lot of things, so for this one, I'm not going to express my opinion, though it will probably be apparent which side I am on. A quote from PvXwiki:Administrators:
"This responsibility manifests itself both in the practical powers granted to Administrators, Deletion, Rollback, and Banning, as well as the more general Administrative role of attempting to ensure a high level of professionalism on the Wiki, while also attempting to make the Wiki as user friendly as possible." Bluemilkman 17:36, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

People come to this wiki looking for help finding the best builds out there. Making the wiki "user friendly" does not entail clogging up the wiki with copies of horrible HH/Mendng Wammos, LT Necros, and Backfire/Empathy Mesmers, and making their search more difficult. We will make the wiki more "user friendly" by making it clean, efficient and organized, and ensuring that it contains the best builds in the game for those users who come looking for them. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 17:59, 7 July 2007 (CEST)

MSN -Shireen

Preferably 8 Mountain time, give or take. Leave a note if you are unable to attend, and I shall reschedule. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 02:30, 9 July 2007 (CEST)

Well man, we were going to talk about Shireens ideas, however, he seems to have deleted them :/. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 08:03, 9 July 2007 (CEST)

Sorry I missed the messages. Due to real-life concerns, this is the first time I have been able to check this site in about 48 hours. I will post something up when I get home from work tonight (should be before 10pm my time). It looks like he moved most of the conversation into his userspace here. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 18:28, 9 July 2007 (CEST)


i forgot how to make it say "this build was previously designed for (blah blah). thc for the fix =D Skakid9090 21:11, 12 July 2007 (CEST)

Np. As you will see in just a few seconds, I am about to go on a purge of the archives. Details soon to follow at Category talk:Archived builds. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 21:14, 12 July 2007 (CEST)


  • You asked me what a catboy I'll give you a few examples.
  • [One]
  • [Two]
  • [Three]
  • Hope that clears things up O_o --Hikari 05:47, 15 July 2007 (CEST)
  • Readem says you fail >_> --Hikari 07:06, 15 July 2007 (CEST)
Of course he did... :-) - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 07:08, 15 July 2007 (CEST)
Thanks btw. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 07:16, 15 July 2007 (CEST)
Don't worry Krowman, you fail because you pwn so badly. Unlike some person I know *cough* "Skakid!" Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 04:29, 19 July 2007 (CEST)
Readem sucks - Skakid9090 04:31, 19 July 2007 (CEST)
>.>... Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 04:35, 19 July 2007 (CEST)
i pwn cause i fail so badly! err... wait... - Skakid9090 04:37, 19 July 2007 (CEST)

For U

Edit as u plxes.

Foreverwafer This user pwns this newb.

Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 04:41, 19 July 2007 (CEST)

I put An elite on my build

Victory is Mine is the one i put, simply because it may be more well received than the elite i like(atleast for AB), Auspicious Parry.Build:W/D 'Liteless AxeDark0805|Rant 20:12, 23 July 2007 (CEST)

Insulting comment?

What? Bluemilkman 06:26, 24 July 2007 (CEST)

Immaturity isn't a positive attribute. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 06:28, 24 July 2007 (CEST)

ummmm, did you look at what that whole section was a response to? Bluemilkman 06:32, 24 July 2007 (CEST)

I'd question such a negative vote on the most popular HB meta build too. Removal of the vote without any inquiry could be seen as taking it too far, but that situation really suffered due to lack of communication between the involved users. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 06:35, 24 July 2007 (CEST)

The point is, "Suck less" is not a reason to remove a vote. "This is the meta right now and is because it works" is a lot better. The user had every right to say what he said. Bluemilkman 06:39, 24 July 2007 (CEST)

No, he didn't. He acted in violation of NPA, even if he felt he was acting in retaliation. I agree with you; Readem could have elaborated in his removal of the vote, but you're just echoing the point I made above. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 06:42, 24 July 2007 (CEST)

The immaturity started when Readem told Six to "Suck less." So if Six was in violation of PvX:NPA, for saying the same thing as Readem, then by golly, Readem was too. I'm out for tonight. Bluemilkman 06:47, 24 July 2007 (CEST)

I'm disappointed with the way you have taken quotations from their brief spat and twisted them out of context. Six was unhappy that Readem removed his vote, ragequit the wiki, and take a few shots at Readem in passing. Let's not get bogged down in whether Readem's "Suck less" comment was meant as a poorly-worded suggestion that Six needed to learn to play the build better, or that it was meant as purely as an insult. Six took his first shot before Readem even knew who he was. No matter what your opinion on the dispute is, retaliation is never a justification for a personal attack. It's nice that we are having this discussion on a computer, because I can just copy-paste the points I made above and restate down here. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 07:02, 24 July 2007 (CEST)
to tell the truth i think that was a joke, but readem doesn't understand he can be menal-ly (new word) sarcastic with people he doesn't know xD - Skakid9090 07:07, 24 July 2007 (CEST)

Build:R/any Marauding Master

I just wanted to mention that things are getting out of hand in the Build: R/any Marauding Master build. SkaKid9090, who seems to be in league with Rapta, changed his vote intentionally to force rating down enough to validate the placement of a trash build tag. I don't know what I did to piss these two people off, but they do seem to be actively trying to kill the build I submitted with much prejudice. Greevar 06:31, 24 July 2007 (CEST)

I'll have a look for ya. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 06:35, 24 July 2007 (CEST)
If you check recent ratings you'll see I only voted on it once. Don't falsely accuse me of things. There is no policy against voting against a build I don't like, and Rapta explaining my feelings of the build. Thanks. - Skakid9090 06:38, 24 July 2007 (CEST)


appreciated if you could remove the "no healing" vote from Build:N/any OoU Minion Master. I thas vamp horrors and SoLS for healing, + the optional slot was recommended to have healing in it. thanks - Skakid9090 10:05, 25 July 2007 (CEST)

Taken care of. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 21:26, 25 July 2007 (CEST)


You interested in making Build of the Week? No names, or any of that shit, but I know you obs some and I obs and create random abominations all the time. Might be fun. Tell me if you are interested, and I'll scrap it together. Readem (talk*pvxcontribs) 04:58, 27 July 2007 (CEST)

Maybe you should do Synergies of the Week. YOu could mention any set of 3 or more skills that synergize in a certain way. Leave it up to the rest of us to put those synergies into a build properly? (now that i look at it, its a lame idea, but ill post ne ways) ‽-(єяøηħ) no u 05:15, 27 July 2007 (CEST)
Do you mean something that is observed a lot, or something really strange that isn't so common? - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 07:35, 27 July 2007 (CEST)
Either/Both. Just skills that seem to synergize well. ‽-(єяøηħ) no u 07:37, 27 July 2007 (CEST)


like my new sig? — Skasig Skakid9090 07:42, 27 July 2007 (CEST)

Love it. Where's the RAWR!!!? Any way, I enjoy the more lax attitude towards the Signature policy on this site. Some users' 'creations' are always entertaining, or introduce you to some new and exotic letters and such from Wikipedia.. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 07:49, 27 July 2007 (CEST)
oops, got lost. this is better. — RAWR! Skasig Skakid9090 07:51, 27 July 2007 (CEST)

while we're on the subject, what is your sig? i must know! - — RAWR! Skasig Skakid9090 07:57, 27 July 2007 (CEST)

This icon is my family's simplified coat of arms. It is Polish, if any one was wondering/interested. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 08:01, 27 July 2007 (CEST)
I have my mother's Scottish (Celtic?) crest on my PC as well. Not really worth it to upload, but it is the Primrose clan. [1][2] for a little more info on her family's history. Kowal translates to 'smith' in English [3], so it and its derivatives are very common surnames in Poland and North America, since many Eastern Europeans were enticed to the continent under Canada/USA's homesteading campaigns. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 08:26, 27 July 2007 (CEST)


i'm sorry if i asked the wrong person, but please have a look at user:Warrior Zez since he seems to me to be socking in all the builds he made. (to try to contrast the wiki's negative votes). He also admitted in his userpage he has been doing it through IRL friends, asked sorry, then continued like it was nothing.. thanks for the attention.--Morten 01:22, 28 July 2007 (CEST)

We don't yet have a special page for ratings the way we do for contributions, so if you can think of any of the builds/votes in question, could you please provide a link? I am aware of the ones he has posted on his userpage, but that's about it atm. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 05:40, 28 July 2007 (CEST)
The builds he claims in his userpage, are all flawed in this way or almost,i am referring to those on his userpage. i think he wouldnt mind about others'.if i got a grasp of the character correctly, he seems to want his builds "go far" (his words). i had a little talk with him. i come from old gwiki build section, you can imagine why i go berserk when i see people acting this immature about their builds, forcing them to be vetted even if theyr no good. from my point of view, this user keeps repeating the same process: comes up with a questionable build, posts it, votes and socks on it , and the first three or four votes are always extremely high with almost no reason left, and made by the same account names which are all newly created and never seen around. if i come across any other similar siruation i'll provide you with a link --Morten 12:46, 28 July 2007 (CEST)

Build Deletion

Do you know if Build:Convicted Wounder was deleted? Please respond on my user page--Metal enchantment Metal Enchantment (talk · contributions) 05:47, 28 July 2007 (CEST)

I know what went wrong, lol I was using a testing build instead of a tested build. Been using this a while so It gave me the chance to rate.--Metal enchantment Metal Enchantment (talk · contributions) 05:53, 28 July 2007 (CEST)


The vote by User:Hide-And-Seek on Build:W/N_Speed_Kills is 0-0-0 with no reasons given. It seems like something an admin should have a look at. --Edru viransu//QQ about me 06:10, 28 July 2007 (CEST)

Taken care of. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 07:19, 28 July 2007 (CEST)

Main Page

Please make sure that you include Mo/W or Team - in builds name when adding new ones to featured untested builds. gcardinal 19:52, 28 July 2007 (CEST)

My mistake. Sorry. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 06:16, 29 July 2007 (CEST)


First off, from now on, please refrain from editing my userspace. Secondly, I have every right to blank a talkpage that is in my userspace. Bluemilkman 07:49, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

Prove it. I have acted completely within my scope (any regular user's scope, really) of power according to site policy. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 08:23, 30 July 2007 (CEST)
A bit extreme to tell someone to stop editing the discussion pages of pages in your userpace, no? --Edru viransu//QQ about me 07:59, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

No. Bluemilkman 08:02, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

It is a rule that was established for a reason. A warning and citation of that rule is not an overblown reaction. If I wanted to be a dick, though, I could have just protected the page to prevent any possibly disruptive actions from occurring there. I don't feel I overdid it. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 08:23, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

A small question

can I rate builds I created or put on the wiki, or it's just like the old build section of guild wiki? thanks in advance for your answer! --Jim Eno 19:37, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

Sure, go for it. Way the policy is right now, authors are allowed to vote on their own builds, and are expected to rate their builds maturely. Whether or not people actually follow that second part there is pretty coin-toss, but go ahead and rate the builds you submitted. - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 19:40, 30 July 2007 (CEST)
Thanks again, I was really confused on this matter as I couldnt find anything about it on the policies:) --Jim Eno 19:47, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

Thanks for the message

Thanks for making my user talk page blue! :) You're like the king of pvxbuilds --Boottspurr 19:41, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

King Krowman? It has a nice ring to it. :-) - Kowal Krowman {{sysop}} 19:42, 30 July 2007 (CEST)
yet he's only the queen =/ — RAWR! Skasig Skakid9090 19:50, 30 July 2007 (CEST)

Comment Removal

Why do some admin remove comments as seen here. Those users simply gave their opinion and I do not think that is a reason for comment removal. The Admin. favors this build and in my sight trying to keep the build alive by removing poor ratings because he doesnt agree with them.

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