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T_T JebusJebussigchristmasMcMouseContests 15:55, 5 January 2009 (EST)


i dont know if i should post it here but anyway. i tried to authenticate my e-mail adress several times for several weeks now but i do not get any mail. could you please authenticate it or tell me what i am doing wrong? Riktw 15:18, 19 January 2009 (EST)

Hi Riktw =). It's fine to ask me this question (we get it quite a lot, so you're not the only one =p). The problem lies more on our end, the server doesn't always get the e-mail out. Unfortunately we're incapable of manually Authenticating you account. The only think i can suggest is that you create a googlemail account, even if it's only for Authenticating your account, as we've noticed it's more likely to get through to a G0mail account =p, otherwise all i can do is say keep trying =s. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:26, 19 January 2009 (EST)

You banned Anonimous

I love you. ZefirsigGod Zefir 17:19, 29 January 2009 (EST)

I do too, but you're about to get raged by like 20 IPs (that is, if he's as predictable as he seems). Oh noes sig KJ 17:21, 29 January 2009
sHut the fuck up. yOu cant even pvp, and thats by faR the eaSiEst thing in all of guild warS.The preceding unsigned comment was added by (contribs) .
horses? --Tai Sig 17:28, 29 January 2009
horses ass? What were you aiming for Anon? Oh, btw, thanks for proving my point. Oh noes sig KJ 17:29, 29 January 2009
NOURAHORSE!The preceding unsigned comment was added by Misery (contribs) .
so I heard signing was fun >.> ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:32, 29 January 2009 (EST)
no u. Oh noes sig KJ 17:34, 29 January 2009

Runner Builds

Hey did we ever make that SC runner build guide thing? I think we need a Droks one too. There are just too many builds that can run it, and people just keep adding them. Mission runs/Elite areas runs/etc. are worth having on the run list, but SC is ridiculously easy and there are hundreds of builds you could run droks with. Oh noes sig KJ 15:37, 2 February 2009

Making a Droks guide would require tons of work from the writer and would never get finished. A noob will find it a hard run and needs real and finished builds to turn to. ---Chaos- 16:01, 2 February 2009 (EST)
Quit stalking me. Oh noes sig KJ 16:02, 2 February 2009
He stalks RC --Tai Sig 16:03, 2 February 2009
So do I, but I try not to specifically dick ride other people. Unless it's someone that hates me. Oh noes sig KJ 16:04, 2 February 2009
I don't stalk, I just have no life/have an urge to contribute on every single page on pvx. ---Chaos- 16:07, 2 February 2009 (EST)
I never personally made the guide, no. I said I'd add a running section to the PvE guides portal, and add a couple of links for the common runs. so far there's a link to a Droks run, and a SC run Neither of which have been created though. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 16:45, 2 February 2009 (EST)
I'd do it, but as I've said earlier today, I fucking hate running and running builds. Get one of these pro-runners around here to do it. Seems like we have a lot of them lately. (+1) . . Karate Jesus (Talk | contribs) (17:10, 2 February 2009 - )

Stop banning me, or i'll NPA your face(quite hard though). —ǘŋƐxɩsƫ 07:37, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Unexist is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. - Miserysig (talk) 07:49, 4 February 2009 (EST)
1 up bro Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:47, 4 February 2009 (EST)


That carrot was ok(was pretty funny I thought), I only got angry when KJ started pulling my parents into our personal issues.PikaFan19x19px 16:13, 6 February 2009 (EST)

I wasn't think about you when I saw the carrot (besides the name), I just thought it would offend a lot of people >.> ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 16:19, 6 February 2009 (EST)
Best to be safe, I guess.PikaFan19x19px 16:27, 6 February 2009 (EST)



also, who was ballistick a sock of lolol

and are you still going christmas shopping tomorrow, i'd love to come 18:39, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Shocked McMonkey RickyRicksawsmfacevantof 08:38, 7 February 2009 (EST)


IP is right, that is the meta PnH support bar with correct attribs for HA. Stop reverting.PikaFan19x19px 13:33, 7 February 2009 (EST)

I reverted Ricky's revert to match IP's --Anonimous. D: 13:35, 7 February 2009 (EST)
fair enough, i saw someone revert it so i assumed the version i reverted was wrong =p. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 13:39, 7 February 2009 (EST)

ehey Phenax

[2] whats wrong you didnt like you bans me now? --Anonimous. D: 14:15, 9 February 2009 (EST)

it's not NPA but it's insulting, tasteless and cliche. ---Chaos- 14:16, 9 February 2009 (EST)
Calling people nigger is better? --Anonimous. D: 14:19, 9 February 2009 (EST)
"Why do I get punished for burning the house when Joe didn't get punished for blowing a reactor?" ---Chaos- 14:44, 9 February 2009 (EST)
Joe is white. 14:48, 9 February 2009 (EST)
His grandpa was from Niggeria, but when you look at Joe you'd think it's just his tan. ---Chaos- 14:58, 9 February 2009 (EST)
I'm feeling nice today, so I didn't feel it was ban worthy. As for Nigger, i don't see it as a racist term, i'm one of those people who don't care about what it meant in the past (where it was used as a racial slur) but see it how people use it today (if you look everywhere besides PvX, you'll see black people calling each other nigger, and i don't buy that BS about it being "their word"). ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:19, 9 February 2009 (EST)

ur dumb. --Readem 18:57, 9 February 2009 (EST)

nigger — Skakid Rally- kupo!S9M 18:58, 9 February 2009 (EST)
omg, double en pee ay! --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Misery (contribs) .

Before Shadowsin and Jebus manage to put them on every one of the hundreds and hundreds of icons could you re-protect Arenanet Image and User Image? - Panic sig7 06:16, 13 February 2009 (EST)

done =) ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 06:21, 13 February 2009 (EST)
The world is safe but... for how long? - Panic sig7 06:26, 13 February 2009 (EST)


ur starting from the "z"s and goin backwards. :3 Jebuspachi-1-1.jpgMcPachirisu 14:05, 13 February 2009 (EST)

yeh, Otherwise we end up EC each other =p. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 14:06, 13 February 2009 (EST)
Nah, im only doing skill icons. Im leaving the sig images alone for now. Jebuspachi-1-1.jpgMcPachirisu 14:08, 13 February 2009 (EST)
owait ur doin skills too. (-_-') Jebuspachi-1-1.jpgMcPachirisu 14:09, 13 February 2009 (EST)
(EC)i'm doing everything =p. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 14:10, 13 February 2009 (EST)
Faggots. — Skakid Rally- kupo!S9M 14:10, 13 February 2009 (EST)
nou Jebuspachi-1-1.jpgMcPachirisu 14:13, 13 February 2009 (EST)
nou --Anonimous. D: 14:15, 13 February 2009 (EST)


Maybe I start to put that tag on skills starting from A will help you out and yet no ec's what d'you think? --Anonimous. D: 14:14, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Jebus got A through D for skill icon's so you can start on E's if you like =). ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 14:16, 13 February 2009 (EST)
Ok great :) Are those skills listed somewhere or should I just find them myself? --Anonimous. D: 14:22, 13 February 2009 (EST)


Why do you choose to make everything simple unnecessarily bureaucratic? — Skakid Rally- kupo!S9M 14:17, 13 February 2009 (EST)

nou --Anonimous. D: 14:22, 13 February 2009 (EST)
(EC)What specifically about it do you see unnecessary? ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 14:24, 13 February 2009 (EST)
You don't see why going through thousands of images and putting a variation of a tag on all of them, after 3 years of nothing close to hinting at a possible threat to the wiki because our images aren't tagged? — Skakid Rally- kupo!S9M 14:33, 13 February 2009 (EST)
What's logic? Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig (14:58, 13 February 2009 - )
I don't understand it either, it seems overly pointless because we have never had a problem with image polices (except copyvio) since I have been here at least. FrostrageFrosty po! 15:01, 13 February 2009 (EST)
Did pokemon or Valve ever try to sue PvX before Auron started implementing copyvio? Just a question. Jebuspachi-1-1.jpgMcPachirisu 15:04, 13 February 2009 (EST)
$2mill says no. Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig (15:06, 13 February 2009 - )
You'd have to ask Auron, but i'm inclined to say no. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:12, 13 February 2009 (EST)
Please don't turn the discussion by all teaming up against Phen. I just want to know why you think this is a good idea. — Skakid Rally- kupo!S9M 15:19, 13 February 2009 (EST)
Just because we haven't been sued yet, doesn't mean we won't. Plus by going through them all it makes it easier to locate any copyrights, and "dead" images. On a somewhat related note, poke's informed me we have no need for a user image tag (with the majority of our images being user space). ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:48, 13 February 2009 (EST)
I'd actually be willing to bet a large sum of money (like.. how much pvx would lose in a lawsuit) that we won't be sued within the next 10 years. — Skakid Rally- kupo!S9M 19:03, 14 February 2009 (EST)
To be honest Skakid, I don't have to do anything about it, you don't have to do anything about it and busy little beavers get to be busy so let them be busy imo. - Miserysig (talk) 19:16, 14 February 2009 (EST)
Beavers are awesome. RickyRicksawsmfacevantof 19:17, 14 February 2009 (EST)


Up for vote removal? The votes here are outdated after I rewrote the whole build page for Nalana. See the talk/history for a comparison. Yes I know you're not a BM, but I herd admins do what they want.. And this if nothing is a way to solve an issue. ---Chaos- 15:30, 15 February 2009 (EST)

chaos, it's not even a build anymore, stop obsessing --Tai Sig 15:33, 15 February 2009
What's your issue? All you need to run is the mainbar and FNP, the rest is just own preference. Get lost, I want another opinion on this matter. ---Chaos- 15:35, 15 February 2009 (EST)
Me and Ska got them, but I am inclined to agree with Tai, it does seem like more of a guide (which could be a good thing). What I suggest is letting it get vetted and if it doesn't do well, move it to the Guide name space =). ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 15:46, 15 February 2009 (EST)
Sounds like a deal. Then again, I'd be surprised if a build built around Escape, flexible choices and optimal bars isn't going to get vetted atleast Good. ---Chaos- 16:33, 15 February 2009 (EST)
Imho, make a mainbar and list the variants for different secondaries if you want it to be a build. --Many srs beans Srs Beans R Srs 17:34, 15 February 2009 (EST)
Is what I did. ---Chaos- 17:42, 15 February 2009 (EST)
I merge tagged this, this and this.. It's all covered by the variants and I c/p'd the area-specific bars into the R/any. Just to mention it, as pages generally never get merged and are stuck in their current state until archived :S ---Chaos- 21:28, 15 February 2009 (EST)
I don't especially mind, as far as i see the key skills are still there from each page, and it would remove a few pages =p. The only one that might not want merging is the Basic ranger runner. While the ar you've added is fine, it seems quite different from it's own article XD. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 06:33, 16 February 2009 (EST)
It's because the Basic Ranger Runner bar sucks =/ It should have IAU, Dwarven Stability as optional/mainbar, no Mending at all.. Which is what I have in the R/any. ---Chaos- 06:49, 16 February 2009 (EST)
While I don't run as much as I did, I used the Basic ranger runner, and it was quite effective ;o. But that wasn't the point I was getting at, I was saying you shouldn't merge the basic ranger runner, because the bar you've got on your article, and the bar on it's own article are so different (regardless of one being better than the other). ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 06:54, 16 February 2009 (EST)
The Basic Ranger is actually just outdated. Mending Touch is unnecessary when you can have IAU. Mending is inferior to Feel No Pain, and Dwarven Stability + Escape is 2 skills to replace the 3 stances it uses. I've still varianted using Zojun's/Dodge on the R/any. It's either merge or then well the old rammo, which aswell falls under merging. ---Chaos- 07:00, 16 February 2009 (EST)


12:39, 15 February 2009 Auron (Talk | contribs) blocked "Guild of Deals (contribs)" with an expiry time of 1 day ("great" vote on Build:Me/Rt Burden Mesmer) Fix this please, not valid reasoning, not ban worthy everyone is free to vote like they want as long as they dont breach 1rv nothing like that happened so thats power abuse right there. --Anonimous. D: 19:02, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Actually, joke votes are bannable for, and that was just punishing GoD for badness :o ---Chaos- 19:04, 15 February 2009 (EST)
Also, Auron does whatever the fuck he wants. He wields unmatchable wiki power. Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig (19:05, 15 February 2009 - )
Devastating Hammer Banhammer. 5Tango-energy, 1/4Tango-activation-darker, 1Tango-recharge-darker "Elite skill. Ban target dumbass for 1...80000...100000 days." ---Chaos- 19:10, 15 February 2009 (EST)
(EC)see his reasoning on GoD's talk page?. I don't especially PvP so I couldn't tell you if Auron's wrong or right anyway =s. And actually plenty of people have been blocked for stupid reasoning. We allow you to vote what you like, as long as it's a valid reason, and it's not blatantly wrong (e.g. 5-5-Xing a Frenzy heal sig, if I took an extreme example >.>). ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 19:12, 15 February 2009 (EST)
Didnt seem like joke vote to me, he explained his vote rather well. --Anonimous. D: 19:13, 15 February 2009 (EST)
I'm impressed by you soloing that HC rit, whatever it is... --Anonimous. D: 19:23, 15 February 2009 (EST)
You put comments in the weirdest places, Anon. And the fact that you don't know what a HC rit is doesn't surprise me. Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig (19:25, 15 February 2009 - )
Like I said, I don't PvP, I couldn't tell you if Auron's wrong or right. That point aside, GoD's ban was 1 day, and it's already been....about 12 hours? it's only a short ban. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 19:17, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Auron amuses me. - Miserysig (talk) 19:19, 15 February 2009 (EST)

You're so random when you troll, Mis. Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig (19:20, 15 February 2009 - )
I'm not trolling, I'm in a very good mood. I tried to ban people for being bad at one point, Dont went and undid my bans :< - Miserysig (talk) 19:24, 15 February 2009 (EST)
That bastard. Adorably shocked mcmonkey sig (19:25, 15 February 2009 - )


Phen, welcome to Wikia, I have been a huge fan of PVX since my trapping days in GW :). I just wanted to introduce myself, I run the gaming vertical and marketing efforts here at Wikia. I'm always around, feel free to drop by and talk shop. I'm sure you'll meet the gaming team shortly, and don't be a stranger. -- Doug@fandom (talk) 01:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Doug. Thanks for the welcome =). ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 12:32, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


Cya in 2108! --The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk) . 12:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

we can't pema atm :/ ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 12:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Yup, I saw from the explanation to the kick. Btw, if you kick someone here, they can't access other wikias, right? --The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk) . 12:12, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
no idea... ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 12:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Fun. I've been curious for a while. If you block me, will I be unable to reach PvX, unable to contribute from an IP, or just allowed to look around but not touch anything? --The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk) . 12:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I can still edit GuildWiki when blocked. So I don't think it's universal (and if it was, would be pretty open to abuse). ~ Tycncookiesig Tycn 12:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
You'd be unable to edit anything, so you could still look around etc. If i set it so it blocks your last IP, and Anonymous users, you shouldn't be able to edit as an IP either. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 12:20, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
That answers it. gl with negotiating a permaban button =/ PvX is going to revolutionize wikia with our demands. --The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk) . 12:24, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
meh, we could just ban for stupidly long times instead, if we don't get a perma option. :/ ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 12:27, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Or not. Not really sensible to ban people for stupidly long times unless they do something illegal. Napalm Napalm Flame Sig Flame contributions 12:28, 20 February 2009 12:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
or, you know, the numerous socks we get :/ ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 12:30, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
(EC)"(Block log); 12:32 . . Phenaxkian (Talk | contribs) blocked Chaos Messenger (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 'until the next ice age' years (account creation disabled) (gtfo, dum nob) Computers fail at common sense. --The preceding trolling attempt was made by Chaos (talk) . 12:32, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

*infinite -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 15:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


Zeecron TBH. And there's a few other ones. --☭Guild*talk* 20:20, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Archiving the AN

Where would I find the page to archive all of the dated AN posts, since some of them are well, dated as I say. Frostysig9000FrostytheAdmin 01:06, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

[3][4][5]? Links are on the AN. --Chaos sig 2 12:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

The delete tag needs a pic of Reaper's Mark. ---Chaos- 17:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't mind, but can I ask why =o? ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
It's not like I'd be able to provide a reasoning to something spontaneous that serves no practical purpose, but it'd fit it :> as a side note, I don't know a crap about how to code that without making the template look like a copypaste of the "abandoned" template. I already took a look at it. ---Chaos- 17:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Reaper's Mark is appropriate :D--Relyk 18:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


No offense but every HA team build (and GvG) has the same amount of infomation as the build I posted, since the equipment for each player (and usage) is often found on its own build page, I will wait for you to respond before deciding to move the build back to testing. Frostysig9000FrostytheAdmin 21:17, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

while i dislike the thought of all those builds being like that, it'd be stupid to stub them all :/. Can you at least link to the relevant build page then? At least ahat will help users looking at the build. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 21:32, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Time to go round linking everypage :D Frostysig9000FrostytheAdmin 21:34, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Y'know, if you don't know what the right equip and usage is, you might aswell run IWAY ;o Rickyvantof 21:41, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Tbh, Frosty, that is sparser than most. Misery CowMisery Says Moo 21:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

User:Frosty/Abandoned_Testing - Any help appreciated. Frostysig9000FrostytheAdmin 00:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll leave my thoughts here =p. Basically there's no point in that tag, the point of testing is that all the meanigfull edits have been done, and it just needs vetting. I keep meaning to make a tag for builds which hvae been in testing for a set period of time without being vetted (on the community portal talk something like unvetted builds iirc). Basicaly the tag is added to builds that hvae been in testing for 3 weeks - a month without being vetted. The build then shows up in a category of "vetting needed" or something. which would be more usefull imo. (i blame typos on schools computer, i hvae to use IE and i don't have spell check in IE :/) ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 11:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


I cant edit my userpage anymore because of the new retarted formatting. I can't find the "source" button either. Jebus 23:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Go to preferences and turn off the rich text editor under editing, it's terrible. Misery CowMisery Says Moo 23:46, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Much thanks. Jebus 02:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


have confused me entirly.Unreal sig 1 20:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

if you click edit on your talk page, jsut above the edit box it will say:
WARNING this page is 42 kilobytes long. Some browsers may have trouble loading pages larger than 32KBs. Please archive it into smaller sections.
or something like that. It's a message the server generates, but when we moved to wikia, they failed to copy it across (with various others), meaning the warning never appeared between when we moved and now. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 20:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
so is it time for archive?Unreal sig 1 03:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
yup =) ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 11:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I miss

The funny side to it? — LukeJohnson LJ BS Sig 13:28, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

there's no usage, equipment, variants or counters for the article...there's no way you can put it in testing. This is a good example of what and article should like like when you put it into testing, content wise. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 14:25, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


What's up with the RC? Is it just mine, or is everyone else's only showing like 2-3 new changes at a time? KJ needed a new sig....sig 21:48, 23 March 2009

no idea, i'd say it's to do with the 80000 pages being mvoed in the space of 6 seconds >.> ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 21:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


are you moving pages to Real Life Dinosaur? Rawrawr Dinosaur is still the correct account. --☭Guild*talk* 21:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

i'm going by this atm :/ ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 21:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Gratz, I got confused near the end. =/ ~ Big Big sadface sig sysop 23:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
there's still loads more, I just missed that one in the middle of the spree, and decided to get it before I left :/. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 23:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I'll go through later on tonight once I'm done cooking and cleaning. ~ Big Big sadface sig sysop 23:16, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


Can you not have a collapsible bar inside a collapsible without having it show at the start? Is it doing show on the inner one when I click the first one simultaneously?--Relyk 01:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Re Monaco-sidebar

On MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar/fr, you might want to put this :

* PvXwiki:Admin noticeboard|Centre adminitratif
* PvXwiki:Policy|Règlements
* helppage|help
* Help:Frequently Asked Questions|FAQ
* randompage-url|randompage
* recentchanges-url|recentchanges
* Special:RecentRatings|recentratings
* Special:PvXDecode|PvXDecode
**#popular#|Highlighted content

Most strings like "help" dont need to be translated as the wiki will pull the right message. Until the bug get fix by Wikia, it's the best that can be done.

On mediawiki:monaco-toolbox, i think you have a second link to the help section. But if you customize that one, just copy it to mediawiki:monaco-toolbox/fr. — TulipVorlax 03:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Super !
Merci. ;-) — TulipVorlax 05:18, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


Hi Phenaxkian. Are you the best person for TOR to talk to about PvXCode? He's going to be working on it soon and it would be really helpful if he had one point of contact to let him know about any bugs or problems with it. Angela@fandom (talk) 15:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually you'd probably want to talk to Dont about that. ^_^ He's inactive for most of the time though. Brandnew. 07:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Dont or the Hhhipppo/Gcard probably, there are the PvXcode masters. By the way does this mean the whole skill update issue is going to be looked at too? Frostysig9000FrostytheAdmin 07:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I've been talking (slightly) with Auron about this. The main question is how much code would this person need to know? If a lot's needed, then you'd want Dont, Gcard, Hhhippo or Wizardboy. GCard or Hhhippo would be preferable, as they're the ones who worked server side before the move to wikia, so they'd be more knowladgable. I'm not sure how much experience Wizardboy or Dont have with PvXcode, but they're the ones who are better with code (wiki code at least). If This person doesn't need much in the way of code knowledge, then me or any other active admin would do it =p.
I feel it's worth mentioning, that as far as bugs go, we do have a section on our Admin noticeboard down near the bottom XD. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 17:32, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Wizardboy said he wouldn't like such a position, as he knows little of the server side code, and he's not likely to do any testing of it. Auron also seems to think that GCard and Hhhipo wouldn't be good choices either due to their inactivity. I think Dont might have a similar position as Wizardboy truthfully (he's inactive at the moment). I'd be willing to do it, but like I said above, it really depends on how much experience the user needs with the code (I don't have any >.>). ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 22:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Seeing as my pet projects have all finished up in recent weeks, I might be willing to take on such work. I've recently (read: Starting January '09) gained experience working with server-side coding, and I've got a decent background in programming to begin with. Ofc, I have no experience with SQL, so that could be a challenge. On top of that, I'm working 30 hours per week and attend college full time, so the amount of time I'd have to dedicate to such a project would be limited and sparse. If no one else steps forward, however, or if people who don't have backgrounds want to learn, I could give a hand. I will note, however, that I would not desire nor accept additional admin duties or abilities. I can be contacted at on MSN or DannyDeranged on AIM. 22:33, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I suggest you pick someone with coding skills and spare time and he/she contacts Gcardinal to learn how PvXcode currently works. I never looked into PvXcode myself and I don't have time for big projects here, so I'm not the one. I think gc doesn't have time to do much himself either but maybe he can give some advice for new person to start on it. – HHHIPPO ‹sysop› 10:38, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

From testing to stub?

May i ask why, more than "sections missing" the bars explain themselves, do they not? --Darklɘs McChaosmongɘr Darwkchawossig 21:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Generally, yes. But, unfortunately, PvXwiki is a wikipedia, meaning that any and all bureaucratic bullshit will come to pass at some point or another. Really, though, stub ought to just be added, rather than the rating box removed, which means whoever's been not doing that needs to go and replace all of those. "Unfinished" articles can still be vetted. 21:46, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
The point of PvX (at least originally and from what I understand) was an encyclpedia of GW builds, with which relatively new players (so players that haven't been playing long, but have reached lvl 20 and got all the atts etc.) learn to play new builds. This means that the essential parts of any article are:
  • Usage
  • Counters
  • Any major variants
  • Important notes
the other sections aren't quite as important, but it would help if there was equipment (in some cases equipment can be essential, in cases such as a 55hp), minor variants, and other notes.
@ (Cadev I think >.>),while unfinished builds can be vetted, they shouldn't. Obviously when I got through vetted builds, I'll try and tag them with cleanup (which I've done with some testing where perhaps only a small unimportant section is missing) ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 22:09, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, Cedave/Danny here. Biggest problem with stubbing builds and not leaving them in their categories is that we have suddenly have builds disappearing from the Great section, which is a general reference point. Unless a build uses skills in extremely unique ways or has not-so-obvious counters, Usage and Counters can be largely omitted. Variants are nice, but often only come into play when tweaking a build to fill a modified role, which generally includes altering attributes, etc., and isn't necessarily PvX's job to worry about. Notes should only be made, again, about things that aren't entirely obvious. And by obvious, I mean obvious to players who have a general understanding of the arena in which the build is meant to be used. If you don't know what you're doing in general, knowing how to use a build isn't going to assist you very much. Experience is a requirement of Guild Wars, as with most games. For new players, this is what guilds are for. 22:21, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
tl;dr: obvious facts are obvious, non-obvious facts generally do have explanations, and are generally reserved for farming builds. 22:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
^ +1, and if your a frontliner you kill stuff, if your a monk you keep shit alive, if you midline you either help kill stuff or shut stuff down. thats common knowledge to most people who use this wiki... --Darklɘs McChaosmongɘr Darwkchawossig 22:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't move team builds into stub for lack of writeup. Generally the only additional sections that should ever be put into team builds are usage, variants and equipment. Variants aren't necesarry. Equipment consists of minor variations on a few basic templates, and is largely down to personal preference. Usage for an entire team build is way too long to put in every single build we have, and we have the guides section for a reason. Not to mention, on the team builds that do have usage, the usage is generally a bunch of complete bullshit that doesn't help even the newest players in the slightest. Believe it or not, you simply can't summarise how to run a certain build in a few bulletpoints at the bottom of a page.
If you're really so bored now that you've got the pointless image tagging policy pushed through and need to something else pointless, you could try actually writing up some of the things you think are missing instead of singlehandedly sodomising what is probably the most important part of the PvP build section. If you do ever feel that a build in good/great absolutely has to be moved into stub to be fixed (for a somewhat legitimate reason), then don't wipe votes. You say that PvX is supposed to be an encyclopaedia of GW meta builds, how exactly does taking some of the main meta builds out of their categories and forcing them to sit in testing for a few weeks due to PvX being more or less dead help us achieve that? Sure, there shouldn't be any votes on stub categories, but if it's a great build then it should get fixed up in a day or two. Imo, a insignificant policy violation is preferable to a build site without vetted builds.
I have no objection to you stubbing single character builds due to lack of usage/equipment, as those sections are somewhat significant there.
Cute McMonkeyTab 22:13, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

For the love of god and all that is good, put the category tags back before some retard votewipes. Misery CowMisery Says Moo 22:17, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I've only been through untested, any of the vetted ones I've seen I put a cleanup tag on (not that i've been through many vetted builds).I'll respond to Tab in a sec ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 22:22, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I've only been through untested, any of the vetted ones I've seen I put a cleanup tag on
21:10, 27 March 2009 Phenaxkian (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Build:Team - Dual Smite GvG" ‎ (vote wipe and putting into stub....) (restore)
Wut? Misery CowMisery Says Moo 22:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
oh, that's the only one that i vote wiped my deletion log. There were a couple in testing where I removed votes (not wiped), which can easily be restored if you like. ~ PheNaxKian Sysop

With HA and GvG teams I will agree that usage might be a tad tedious to do for 8 separate builds. You mentioned using guides, then a simple link to the relevant guide should suffice, or if the build exists on the wiki, a link to that (they should have usage at least) With the 4 man teams, I think some usage should be there, although if there's a link to the relevant guide that would be fine again. I have no objections if there's no equipment section, like you said, that's a matter of personal preference. You say the variant section isn't necessary, but remember not everyone will be UAX, and might be missing one or two skills, so some variants might be useful at least, but i won't call it essential. Like I said above I'd consider an article to be the bar, usage, Major variants, and counters and any important notes or special/required equipment). (you can say that's all crap for all I care, the next bit's all that really matters :/)

What I'll do is this: I'll go through the unvetted builds, and stub those that seem necessary, I'll leave any votes that are there. When I get to Vetted builds, I'll simply tag with {{Cleanup}} where necessary. Sound fair? ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 23:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Nope. Trying to write up a proper usage for team builds is a waste of time, it's really a lot more complicated than just giving a short explanation of what each skill does and when to use it, and anyone with any intelligence whatsoever can figure that out from hovering over the skills in the bar anyway. Writing up the usage for a PvP build would consist of in depth explanations of when how to respond to every other meta build in that format, as well as detailed uses of how to use each skill when, which is exactly what the guide section is for. Linking to guides is fine, but killing the builds section for no reason whatsoever until someone finds the time to write them up is simply unacceptable. I'll repeat the point - I'm not against the usage thing due to the tedium of it, it's because you aren't going to make a usage section of any value whatsoever without turning the build into a guide - which we don't want as it simply makes it harder to access.
If there's one thing I am not going to let you do, it's forcing a variants section on builds for people that haven't unlocked some of the skills. If a variant actually adds something worthwhile to the build, then it's going to be there. Vastly lowering the quality of the builds section for the benefit of people that are too lazy to spend at most 15-30 minutes unlocking the last few skills (which they'll rarely have to do due to every class having a handful of ubiquitous skills) does nothing but make the standards of this site even lower.
As I said, I agree that single character builds should be moved to stub (with votes staying) until they have the bar, usage, variants, etc. However, my point is that team builds do not need, and arguably should not contain the usage section in particular, as any attempt at making one is going to be a complete joke. Major variants are always added, even by the laziest of authors, where there are actually major variants worth taking. As I said, adding inferior variants for the sake of having variants is not going to happen. All that a team build needs for a complete writeup is variants, and possibly equipment (which can be accounted for simply by saying "standard meta equipment"), and that's the standard we've always maintained.
By all means, tag/stub where necesarry. But do not keep on doing it to team builds due to the lack of a usage/detailed equipment list, which is more or less the point I'm making. Cute McMonkeyTab 23:28, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
At the end of the day, you're the admin, and if you feel that making stubbing builds without usage/equipment/whatever policy is the right thing to do, then that's your choice. But not only will it have no effect whatsoever on the quality of build articles where it actually gets done, you'll find that we just end up with even fewer builds getting written up, even more builds sitting in stub instead of getting vetted, and even less of the few remaining people on this site that aren't complete morons having any willingness whatsoever to contribute. Pushing through random policies that have no benefit whatsoever for the sake of it, which is more or less what you've been doing lately, does nothing to improve the site, and only causes the existing members to lose interest. GWW-style management may work for GWW, but this is PvX, and one of the reasons PvX has been as successful as it has (despite what everyone thinks about the userbase etc, it has been), is due to the fact that we chose not to go down the path of being overly bureaucratic. Cute McMonkeyTab 23:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

writing is boring and bad
Rawrawr Dinosaur 12:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


Redirects make me unable to edit anything on most of my pages tbh. Also breaks archiving. QQ Daññy 18:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

lemme try fixing this tbh. if I can't manage, then copypaste works. Daññy 19:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
could you delete whatever's this account's userspace? namely the User:Daññy and User_talk:Daññy pages. iirc, I can probably manage to move all the necessary things and rearrange them in the right heirachy myself. Daññy 19:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
it's only the main user and user talk page which are redirects, everything else is right (that I've checked) ~ PheNaxKian Sysop 19:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
If you could unlock User:PVX-Cedave, I can move that over to my current space, or I can just copypaste the source seeing as an uneditable page doesn't really need a history. Daññy 19:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Quick request

Lock User:Daññy. Both myself and admins can edit it via the .js pages in my userspace, so no need to let other anons and such edit it. <3 ··· Danny Does Drugs 20:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

umad? Also, why don't you want me to edit your userpage? :< 20:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
no need. haz talk page for a reason. also, i can make huge adverts myself. =p ··· Danny Does Drugs 20:27, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
actually, i've rethought this. don't lock it plz. i'd miss all the wonderful vandalspam from my buddies who cba to login or use talk pages. T_T ··· Danny Does Drugs 20:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
^ 20:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

You deleted a build on the basis that the wiki didn't need it?!?!?!

Can we delete most of the HA section now, too? I mean, it's the same concept with certain classes and builds traded out for other ones. ··· Danny Does Drugs 22:15, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Did the build actually need to be deleted? If so, why the fuck are you here? -- Armond WarbladeArmond sig image{{Bacon}} 00:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
There's a lot of superfluous crap here...but that's not up to us to dictate. It's up to the community. Anonimous bitching about a generally made build doesn't make it 'not needed'. It was vetted as good. Should've left it alone imo. ~ Big Big sadface sig sysop 00:39, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
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