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Obsispike Edit

Yeah well i thought it was possible so i tried:

Glyph of Concentration Obsidian Flame Ward Against Foes Grasping Earth Distracting Shot Eruption Ether Prism Earth Attunement
Glyph of Concentration Obsidian Flame Ward Against Foes Ward Against Elements Grasping Earth Ward of Stability Ether Prism Earth Attunement
Glyph of Concentration Obsidian Flame Ether Prism Life Spirit Light Mend Body and Soul Protective Was Kaolai Spirit Transfer
Glyph of Concentration Obsidian Flame Ether Prism Recovery Spirit Light Mend Body and Soul Protective Was Kaolai Weapon of Warding
Glyph of Concentration Obsidian Flame Ether Prism "Brace Yourself!" Song of Concentration "Make Haste!" "Stand Your Ground!" Signet of Return
Glyph of Concentration Obsidian Flame Ether Prism Shielding Hands Convert Hexes Remove Hex Guardian Spirit Bond
Glyph of Concentration Obsidian Flame Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional Optional
Wastrel's Collapse Blackout Dark Prison Iron Palm Augury of Death Death's Charge Power Return Resurrection Signet
--Pirate 00:30, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
any obvious flaws before its typed up or comments? since youre one of the only outside the box thinking people in this shithole.--Pirate 00:30, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
And any suggestionns for the currently 6th bar? Disregard the fact that i accidentally put Glyph of sacrifice up there, it should be of concentration like the rest. Wastrel mesmer is for trolling the prot.--Pirate 00:32, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
kay, firstly, it takes 40 seconds for 1 dose of exhaustion to wear off, thought i'd just let you know. then, on the e/n bar drop grasping for another ward, if your only going to take 1 on him your much better off with ward for obvious reasons. then you'll want to drop enfeeble for weaken armor so you have cracked armor on spike. then you'll be wanting to drop res sig for signet of return on the e/p (because there just doesnt seem to be another way to get a hard res there, and with 3 sigs thats a big big problem). now for the problems you cant solve, you have no resilient weapon to stick on the ghostly, you have limited single target healing and prots considering your using 8 60 al charictors, you then still lack any proper hard ressing, you have few res sigs and the bulk of your healing relies on only 2 spirits. its a pretty bad concept made in a pretty bad way.--Oskar 00:59, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Obsidian flame is armor ignoring, no need for cracked armor. The necro bar can be turnet into a rit with weapon and DPS. E/P can be changed and E Prism is pretty hard resilience. Melee should be useless anyway (2x WoF and 2x Grasping should ensure they will always be crawling) and the elemental ward gives them a bit more armor against magic. --Pirate 10:23, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Everyone speccing into earth... No Stoning QQ. Does Stoning never see play in HA?MinionMinion sig k bish 07:55, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

15 Energy man :<--Pirate 10:23, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Only if somebody is determined to stick a UG ele in a spike team--Oskar 10:36, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
So what this all about here Shadow Form Slayer Shadow Form~ Slayer 13:36, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Eleball uses Obsidian Flame to spike. Misery 13:44, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Eleball isnt on PvX because people here dunno how to eleball :>--Pirate 15:24, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that is the reason. Misery 15:28, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Back to the obsidian spike, how about DShot on one of the earth eles to kill resses?--Pirate 15:31, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Eblast > obsi flame. Frosty 15:35, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Guys, why must this be here. Trolling is in my mind now >> Shadow Form Slayer Shadow Form~ Slayer 15:36, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
20 Sec spike recharge is shit.--Pirate 15:45, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Please explain why having a long recharge in a spike team is bad? Frosty 15:50, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
You do realise that your proposed spike has a 30 second recharge? Misery 15:53, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I count 10 seconds (12 seconds if you think BO is required)--Pirate 16:09, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Well, if you want your team to get exhausted out then yes, 10 seconds. Frosty 16:26, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Reason why RTL works is that the other team dies before exhaustion starts affecting you.--Pirate 16:37, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Someone also explain to me why Stoning is bad in HA if snaring is what you all seem to be after.Ehawk-Stoning- "You're All Alone!" more Stoning, c? MinionMinion sig k bish 15:58, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

d, you do realise grasping earth is 5 energy and does more than Ehawk->Stoning Combo?Signing--Pirate 16:10, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Guys, deeply sorry about AN. Now I look at the build, and add my command. But I am going to move this to my sandbox talk, since that is where this should belong ;) Shadow Form Slayer Shadow Form~ Slayer 16:13, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Not saying you can't have both Grasping Earth and stoning, but you can't knockdown with GE. If you brought 3-4, each one can bring a ward, one can bring Grasping, and another can take YAA as their elite. Although people are usually quite packed in HA I think.MinionMinion sig k bish 16:26, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Better take a E/N with enfeeble then, but i dont think stoning will do wonders in this build--Pirate 16:27, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Pirate, if you help us with your big bars, it would give us an extra eye on the attribute selections etc. Shadow Form Slayer Shadow Form~ Slayer 16:29, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Ebon Hawk Stoning Ash Blast Glowstone Grasping Earth Distracting Shot Ether Prism Earth Attunement
Meh, something like that; Probably wouldn't run dshot, though I'm not pro. Needs more weakening...MinionMinion sig k bish 16:35, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

bigguns Edit

<pvxbig> [build prof=Elementalist/Ranger Earth=12+1+1 Energy=12+1 Mark=3][Glyph of Concentration][Obsidian Flame][Ward Against Foes][Distracting Shot][Grasping Earth][Eruption][Ether Prism][Earth Attunement][/build] [build prof=Elementalist/Ritualist Earth=12+1+1 Energy=12+1][Glyph of Concentration][Obsidian Flame][Ward Against Foes][Ward Against Elements][Grasping Earth][Ward of Stability][Ether Prism][Earth Attunement][/build] [build prof=Elementalist/Ritualist Earth=10+1+1 Energy=8+1 Res=12][Glyph of Concentration][Obsidian Flame][Ether Prism][Life][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Protective Was Kaolai][Spirit Transfer][/build] [build prof=Elementalist/Ritualist Earth=10+1+1 Energy=8+1 Res=12][Glyph of Concentration][Obsidian Flame][Ether Prism][Recovery][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Protective Was Kaolai][Weapon of Warding (PvP)][/build] [build prof=Elementalist/Paragon Earth=12+1+1 Energy=8+1 Comma=10][Glyph of Concentration][Obsidian Flame][Ether Prism]["Brace Yourself!"][Song of Concentration]["Make Haste!"]["Stand Your Ground!"][Signet of Return][/build] [build prof=Elementalist/Monk Earth=10+1+1 Energy=8+1 Pro=12][Glyph of Concentration][Obsidian Flame][Ether Prism][Shielding Hands][Convert Hexes][Remove Hex][Guardian][Spirit Bond][/build] [build prof=Mesmer/Assassin Dom=12+1+1 Fast=8+1 Dead=10][Wastrel's Collapse][Blackout][Dark Prison][Iron Palm][Augury of Death][Death's Charge][Power Return][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig>

Im fast uptyper, c?--Pirate 16:35, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, you are ;). What I think is a great spike. I do see something in it. One thing it has too is the ward, which can be optimally used, with defensive spells. No interrupts to worry about, and e-management is cool too. I like it, but will the others too. Shadow Form Slayer Shadow Form~ Slayer 16:40, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I'd love it if somebody has a go at the attributes (generally 10-10-11 imo with +1+1 in earth)whilst im eating.--Pirate 16:55, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
And maybe discuss the 8th bar.--Pirate 16:56, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I will do attributes Shadow Form Slayer Shadow Form~ Slayer 16:57, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
You will get steam rolled in about 1 minute, hardly any heals, only 2 spirits means you will have near no condition removal, very little prot ability, no veil, no proper spike catch, no SoA, E prism with any less than 12/13 estorage is crap, no pact, no good hardres what so ever, Glyph conc is pointless (guess what song of conc does...) no hard rupts, ward vs elements is pretty dumb is a meta which (I am kinda guessing) is full of tripmelee sways...
I think I said it on another build page but it is painful watching idiots theorycraft. Frosty 17:09, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Melees shouldnt be able to hit you. Thus causing almost no conditions, Ward of Elements can be removed and remember we still have a 8th player to make --Pirate 17:18, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Oh and i dont care that i hurt your feelings by theorycrafting.--Pirate 17:20, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
you are a fucking terrible player, please stop with the ever increasingly retarded theorycrafts and crying yourself to sleep over a good player actually bothering to find the time to explain why you are shit, instead of just adding the regular amount of fuck off your a terrible player 67.159.44.103 17:26, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Melee shouldn't be able to hit you? Sorry I missed that Eruption, Weapon of Warding and Guardian. I guess that can take care of all melee any team can throw at you. Incompetent idiots like you are what makes this place a nightmare, and a sizzling hot spot for trolling and drama. Frosty 17:31, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Apparently you also missed 2x Grasping and 2x WaF. Incompetent idiots like YOU are what makes this place a nightmare, I was just expecting a normal discussion, you didnt have to come in with all your shittery, you couldve just waited until were done here and then trash vote it like any build which isnt made by some flashy guild. The lack of the ability to actually think logically and have an open mind is what makes this place into a shithole.--Pirate 17:55, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I'd just like to say 2 things. 1: Frosty, you don't even play GW anymore, so what are you doing here. Neither would you care. 2: Theorycraft is what the sandbox is all about. Just think about the fact that every build has started with theorycrafting. Then they tested it, and then they put it on PvX to get rated. This is in test fase 1, the theorycraft. It can go to test fase 2, the testing on people. Test fase 3 is the final fase, putting it as trial build on pvx. Shadow Form Slayer Shadow Form~ Slayer 18:31, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I am sure HA is vastly different, let me guess, you don't need to stay alive anymore?! Frosty 18:43, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
You cant read can you? I said theres still an 8th bar to be made.--Pirate 18:51, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
No, just one thing has, bots left XD. No, also one thing hasn't changed, your sense of feelings. Shadow Form Slayer Shadow Form~ Slayer 18:52, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Serious talk Edit

<pvxbig> [build prof=Elementalist/Ranger Earth=12+1+1 Energy=12+1 Mark=3][Glyph of Concentration][Obsidian Flame][Ward Against Foes][Distracting Shot][Grasping Earth][Eruption][Ether Prism][Earth Attunement][/build] [build prof=Elementalist/Ritualist Earth=12+1+1 Energy=12+1][Glyph of Concentration][Obsidian Flame][Ward Against Foes][Grasping Earth][Ward of Stability][Ether Prism][Earth Attunement][Death Pact Signet][/build] [build prof=Elementalist/Ritualist Earth=10+1+1 Energy=8+1 Res=12][Glyph of Concentration][Obsidian Flame][Ether Prism][Life][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Protective Was Kaolai][Spirit Transfer][/build] [build prof=Elementalist/Ritualist Earth=10+1+1 Energy=8+1 Res=12][Glyph of Concentration][Obsidian Flame][Ether Prism][Recovery][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Protective Was Kaolai][Weapon of Warding (PvP)][/build] [build prof=Elementalist/Paragon Earth=12+1+1 Energy=8+1 Comma=10][Glyph of Concentration][Obsidian Flame][Ether Prism]["Brace Yourself!"][Song of Concentration]["Make Haste!"]["Stand Your Ground!"][Signet of Return][/build] [build prof=Elementalist/Monk Earth=10+1+1 Energy=8+1 Pro=12][Glyph of Concentration][Obsidian Flame][Ether Prism][Shielding Hands][Convert Hexes][Remove Hex][Guardian][Spirit Bond][/build] [build prof=Mesmer/Assassin Dom=12+1+1 Fast=8+1 Dead=10][Wastrel's Collapse][Blackout][Dark Prison][Iron Palm][Augury of Death][Death's Charge][Power Return][Resurrection Signet][/build] </pvxbig>

Please actually comment about the build here, I'd love it if all the foul mouthed people stood out of this section. I replace Ward Against Elements with a hard res since you already got SYG.--Pirate 17:59, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Calm down Pirate ;). I am sick of Frosty's comments too once in a while Shadow Form Slayer Shadow Form~ Slayer 18:32, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Lol, it's almost like all of PvX's noobs got together, dragged up a build from the flames of Nubhell, and started pretending that they were all hot shit and that their opinions meant something. Oh wait, that's what actually happened, my bad. -- Jai 19:35, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I sense that your sense of humour is not mine, my young apprentice. Next time, try to read, before you try to talk. Shadow Form Slayer Shadow Form~ Slayer 19:37, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not referencing you specifically, just all of you noobs on this page. -- Jai 19:50, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I tried to keep the oldfags pretending to be pro out of this section. Alas.--Pirate 19:52, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I'm neither an oldfag or pretending to be pro. I'm also referring to the entire page in general. -- Jai 19:59, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
So youre just a noob?--Pirate 21:07, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

i wish god had blessed me with the wisdom that gwpirate and shadow form slayer have shown time and time again--Oskar 20:08, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Lurk alot, perhaps some of it will cast down upon you.--Pirate 21:03, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
Fuck you--Oskar 21:08, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I can see from your comments against me that you like me, but i wouldn't go that far yet, how about a dinner and a movie?--Pirate 22:16, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
your really dumb [1]--Oskar 22:31, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
I love you too, Google Translate speaks hebrew, Novii just saved me the time of actually putting it in there.--Pirate 22:34, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
novii has the right to do things to my comments--Oskar 22:38, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

2 second spikes Edit

I'm not going to say anything about a 2 second spike being easy to catch or prot, because it isn't true and the people saying that are pretty dumb, but if you have a 2 second spike you need a healer who is not in on the spike or they will just kill at least one person every time you try to spike them. For this reason every incarnation of blood spike has had a monk without spike skills, eblast spike has an infuser and actually every spike team ever has one healer outside of the spike.

If you don't understand how this works, instead of counting down 1,2,3 on vent someone just says "As soon as you see anyone activate Obsidian Flame, spike this" and they get a guaranteed kill, no matter how unclean they are because you have no one to catch the spike anyway. Misery 11:58, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

this is not a 2 second spike, its worse... gliph gives the spike away, its 1 sec+0.75 sec from aftercast, the catchers will be looking for dmg as soon as someone in their team screams:"incoming gliph"... this is the same as that hideous attempt at a build that was discord pvp... i know im gonna be deleted, but wat the hell, i need to disembowel all the shit that comes to my mind when i see these ridunculous builds, specially theorycrafts...btw, loved that terra dshot, nice concept, u are spiking away with obsi, then u swap to bow to dshot... hilarious, wat do u want with dat?? 10 secs disable?? you would be so much better with a mesmer rupt, imho...83.240.216.4 12:27, August 11, 2010 (UTC)enormous, getting another post deleted

You know a perfectly clean single spell spike is impossible to infuse right? By the time they "see damage" the target will be dead. That isn't the reason this is bad, there are plenty of reasons why it is. urdumb. Misery 12:35, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

MISERY, the only dumb person here is urself, a clean spike is done by skilled playas, when a playa is good, he only embarks on such builds for lols, if it is serious business, they will NOT use obyspike...and btw, i like ur nick, its...well, its much like urself...83.240.216.4 13:20, August 11, 2010 (UTC)enormous

is your name 'enormous' suiting you aswell? =/--Oskar 13:38, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
He's right, though. You aren't going to get a clean "single spell" dreamyperfectland spike with randhats running Obsidian Flame. Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava}They&#039;re On Fire Panda 03:45, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
Misery is right, though. This sucks for other reasons, not because it's easy to heal the spike. That's like saying, say, the Channeled Strike spike is bad because noobs could fuck it up. Bad arguments are bad. -- Jai 03:56, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
"This sucks for other reasons..." seems like a bad argument. Hypocrisy is entertaining Rikk Panda {a.k.a. Benny Lava}They&#039;re On Fire Panda 04:15, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
He listed all the reasons above and saw no point in repeating them fucktard. Use your frontal lobe, he's your pal!--TahiriVeila 05:23, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
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